So we can all agree the trinity is fact right?

>>2299108
yes

christians are stupid.

I don't understand why Christians come here to shill when this board is supposed to be neutral. your religion isn't a fact, fuck off

>god is a third of god
Who writes this crap?

>>2299669

>Muh feelings

>>2299678
No, I'm sick of shitposting by Christians who aren't interested in rational discussion and only want to give sermons and circlejerk. There's a home for shit like this, it's called Church.

Trinitarianism is a catholic meme

>>2299677
Nope

>>2299705
Antitrinitarians aren't Christian

>>2299690
bugger off

>>2299108

There's nothing about it in the Koran.

>>2299724
That's because Mohamet was a false prophet possessed by a demon masquerading as the angel Gabriel

>a=d; b=d; c=d
>a=/=b=/=c
ebin

>>2299730

Wrong.

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>Their theology is based on a divine triad,[61][75][76] or trinity, which is the core of Alawite belief.[77] The triad comprises three emanations of the one God: the supreme aspect or entity called the "Essence"[77] or the "Meaning"[76] (both being translations of maʿnā), together with two lesser emanations known as his "Name" (ism), or "Veil" (ḥijāb), and his "Gate" (bāb).[75][76][77][78] These emanations have manifested themselves in different human forms over several cycles in history, the last cycle of which was as Ali (the Essence/Meaning), Muhammad (the Name) and Salman the Persian (the Gate).[75][77][78][79][80] Alawite belief is summarised in the formula: “I turn to the Gate; I bow before the Name; I adore the Meaning.”[5][61]

>Alawites hold that they were originally stars or divine lights that were cast out of heaven through disobedience and must undergo repeated reincarnation (or metempsychosis[77]) before returning to heaven.[61][78] They can be reincarnated as Christians or others through sin and as animals if they become infidels.[61][81]

>Other beliefs and practices include: the consecration of wine in a secret form of Mass only open to males; frequently being given Christian names; burying the dead in sarcophagi above ground; observing Nowruz, Epiphany, Christmas[82] and the feast days of John Chrysostom and Mary Magdalene;[83] the only religious structures they have are the shrines of tombs;[84] the alleged book Kitab al Majmu, which is supposedly a central source of Alawite doctrine; and the belief that women do not have souls.[85][86][87][88]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites#

>>2299734

It's a holy mystery, it's not supposed to make sense. If it made sense then it wouldn't be true.

>>2299108
TRINITY AREN'T COFUSING!!!

1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion....

>>2299735
Not an argument

>>2299740
Oh look, a bullshit argument

>>2299746
That's right, your confusion of the trinity is not authored by God. The trinity is however divine truth nonetheless

>>2299747
Jesus kill children

>>2299740
If we are to believe the Koran, God doesn't believe it makes sense either.

>>2299740
>3deep5u

>>2299752
>give Trinity
>say it isn't confusing
>sparked more debates than any other Christians doctorine among Christians and non-Christians
>i-it's not confusing
*tip fedora*

>>2299751
You go ahead and keep your creaturely "god" Ahmed, I'll stick with the True and Living God

>>2299747

Incorrect.

>>2299761
>if heretics invent lies and oppose truth the truth isn't true!
>if there's disagreement, no one is right
*tips fedora*

>>2299753
Good

>>2299715
No you bugger off, you fucking bone-kissing, boy-touching, circle-jerking moron

>>2299771
If you're not a trinitarian youre a satanist

>>2299762
What? Yes, I'm totally a Muslim.

>>2299774
>boy-touching
Catholics aren't Christian

>>2299777
We're not even past 50 post yet.

>>2299767
>refusing to acknowledge that Trinity isn't confusing
>refusing to acknowledge that the majority can't grasp shit
>refusing to acknowledge the contradiction
*tips fedora harder*

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>>2299108
>retarded concept that confuses people to this day
>developed well after Christ
>took even longer to be accepted as doctrine
>right

>>2299794
>>refusing to acknowledge that Trinity isn't confusing
I agree completely, it isn't confusing
>>refusing to acknowledge that the majority can't grasp shit
Yes, the majority of people aren't Trinitarian, so you're right
>refusing to acknowledge the contradiction
There is no contradiction

>>2299797
Read the bible anon

>>2299780
Bullshit,I thought it was only a myth. Is it true?

>>2299802
See >>2299761 and >>2299746

>>2299807
is what true anon?

>>2299714
>>2299777
>>2299780

they would beg to disagree

>>2299810
See >>2299767 and >>2299752

>>2299811
The pedophile priest story?

>>2299816
See >>2299810

>>2299829
yes that's true

>>2299803
>collection of texts to fit the decided narrative at the exclusion of others
>NT written at least a generation after Christ at the earliest
>somehow wielding authority in the matter of the trinity
Already read, and still Eutychianism makes the most sense.

>>2299834
See >>2299816

>>2299838
See >>2299834

>>2299837
>>collection of texts to fit the decided narrative at the exclusion of others
A-historical delusion
>Eutychianism
That's a trinitarian theology

I can't take someone seriously who says the trinity is capable of being understood by humans. Anyone who says "I got it" can't tell the difference between memorizing a formula and actually grasping the ungraspable.

One God in three existences; father, son, and spirit. If you separate any one of the persons, they are 100% fully god in every way; and when you put them back with the other two, they're all 100% fully god, making one God and not three. All work in unison for the common mission of salvation, as they always have, and they have never disagreed on anything. If the father is the generating power of the sun, the son and spirit are his light and heat. If the father is the man staring into the mirror, the son is the reflection and the spirit is the mirror. The father is incomprehensible and incorporeal, but the son is comprehensible and corporeal, while the spirit is comprehensible but incorporeal.

Even as I type all this I'm repeating nothing but a memorized formula, just as Christians repeat in church, because the trinity is unable to be understood.

>>2299838
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Schisms_in_Christianity

Good day! Stay Arian anon!

>>2299850
Arius is in hell

>>2299849
The trinity is understood, not comprehendible

>>2299690
Oh my is that fedora on too tight?

>>2299854

Proof?

>>2299854
With Jesus in hell?

>>2299861
John 8:24

>>2299862
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father

>>2299865
What?

>>2299865

Eh?

>>2299869
Went to hell for three days

>>2299872
>>2299874
Arius did not believe that Jesus was I am, and thus died in his sins

>>2299876
And Arius went there for eternity

>>2299877
What? It's ego eimi? Found in multiple places in the Bible? Used by people others than Jesus?

>>2299877
Arius prayed directly to Jesus, what are you on?

>>2299879
God went to hell?

>>2299877

How's that proof he is in hell? You don't even have any proof hell exists.

Do you believe in God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth? Do you believe in Jesus Christ, His only son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell.

>>2299918
Hold there motherfucker. Don't you fucking dare say that to Pilate. He released Jesus Son of the Father and crucified Jesus the Anointed.

>>2299918
>suffered under Pilate
You mean King Herod

>>2299918

No.

Next silly question.

>>2299899
read your bible anon

>>2299962

The bible is just a collection of books.

>>2299730
Mohammad was a literal Abdul Alhazred figure. I don't even believe that and it's super cool

>>2299982
*Collection of anonymous books, according to Wikipedia

>>2299995

Good point, anon.

>>2299858
What does that even mean?

>>2299982
A collection of God-breathed books

>>2300029
Which apparently among thousands of Bible manuscripts, literally none are identical.

>>2300035
And yet we've had the original readings throughout church history

>>2300045
What is Roman Catholic Bible? What is King James Bible?

What's the difference in number of books between those two? Seven fake books.

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I prefer other trinities that explain the existence of god. Its all in meaning and defeniton, the ablility for your fellow man to be able to understand what you're saying.
Three aspects of one together the same.
Like this trinity.
Solid, liquid, gas. All matter. All energy.

>>2300147
Modalist get out

>another Christcuck shilling thread offering no real discussion, just patronizing sermons about why they're "right" and ignoring actual historical evidence

Right click, hide

The trinity exists in all the compatible, true faiths. Taoism, Mahayana Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity have the trinity built into them.

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>>2300147
You're already wrong. Solid, liquid, and gas don't encompass all matter or energy. There's a fourth category, and it's known as 'plasma'.

Idiot Christfag can't even be trusted to get basic scientific facts right. And by having four categories, it destroys your weird trinitarian ideal: you should employ a tetrarchy, instead.

>>2300243
Its all in how you define it. Like i said. Besides plasma is an intermidiate state that doesn't exist in what we would consider stable conditions. There are as many trinity concepts as there are words that we have to express them.

>>2300395
>stable conditions
You do realise that stars live upwards of billions of years, right? Plasma can be a stable condition, now fuck off, cunt.

>>2301033
They don't, actually. They burn out quick. most of them are already dead.

>>2300077
A lot more than that.

In the Roman Catholic version, Mary is the messiah who crushes the skull of the devil, not Jesus.

They feminize the proto-evangelion to worship their "Queen of Heaven".

>>2299762
Both of you (Christians and Muslims) are retards.

>>2301075
Just so long as you feel superior to all humanity.

>>2301077
I only said Christians and Muslims, which it's not that hard to be superior to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMI4rA4cuiM

>>2299108
>we can all agree that [matter of faith] is fact
no, and that's the point

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>>2301063
I can't believe I have to spell something so basic to you Christfag idiots.

From the Wikipedia article on Plasma:

"Plasma is the most abundant form of ordinary matter in the universe (the properties of dark matter are still mostly unknown; whether it can be equated to ordinary matter has yet to be determined), most of which is in the rarefied intergalactic regions, particularly the intracluster medium, and in stars, including the Sun

>They burn out quick

You have got to be trolling at this point. Plasma is known to be found in starts. Tell me again how long Earth's sun has been active, and for how much longer it will continue to do so, please.

>>2301363
>arguing over an overtly relative term such as speed

>>2301370
>speed

It's called duration, you retarded faggot. And it's on you for claiming "plasma isn't a real form of matter because it doesn't exist in stable conditions".

Obviously, plasma DOES exist in stable conditions.

Just get the fuck out and spare yourself further humiliation.

>>2301395
Calm down, autist. I'm not even that guy and I frankly don't give a shit about plasma.

Why the fuck are Christians on here? fuck off to eight chan

>Catholics aren't Christian

Catholics are the original Christians

>>2301455
Judaic Christians precede them.

>>2301455
>head to biblegateway

>search for "Pope"
>0 results

>search for "Magisterium"
>0 results

>search for "Sacred Apostolic Tradition"
>0 results

>>2299739
Alawites aren't Muslims

>>2301448
back to ledit

>>2301455

>Catholics are the original Christians

i must have missed the part when jesus preached to his disciples in latin

>>2301479

t. Abdulazid ibn Saud

Alawites follow the five pillars and testify the shahada. They are Muslims.

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>>2301479
>Be aware that once you have said the Shahada you are committed to following Islam for life. The words of the Shahada are "La ilaha illallah, Muhammadun rasulullah " This translates to "I testify that there is no other god but Allah, and Muhammad is God's messenger (prophet)." By saying the Shahada, you become a Muslim.
How to Become a Muslim: 14 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow
m.wikihow.com › Become-a-Muslim

>>2301484
le funny troll who voted for trump hahaha nice

>>2301448
4chan has always been a Christian site. You new here? The reason the reddit hate started in the first place was because of r/atheist, the 4chan reddit rivalry literally started because Christians post here and Atheists on reddit

>>2301529
this is a fact

>>2301529
If you want to revise fact, sure.

>>2299677
cryptopagan barbarians

>>2301138
autism

>>2299108
No not in the slightest little bit. Basic math indicates that 1+1+1=3, not 1+1+1=1. Not to mention that this presumes the christian religion to be factual which is a gigantic fucking presumption.

>>2299677
Christards do.

>>2301529
lol no. 4chan is and always was a home for edgy assholes.

>>2301608
>Basic math indicates that 1+1+1=3, not 1+1+1=1
Most correct! Hence why a core pillar of the trinity is that there are 3 distinct divine persons. There is however only one God, and they are all fully God, and have the fullness of God in and of themselves. 3 persons, 1 being.

>>2301363

Do me a favor and remember that at one point in your life you mocked someone for not believing in "dark energy" and "dark matter".

Let me help you nudge a little closer to the light.

The sun is not burning anything.

The sun is not emitting anything.

The sun is hollow.

For more, see Tesla or Tesla 2.0, Eric Dollard.

>>2301138

and yet you fail at that....

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>>2301608
>1+1+1=3, not 1+1+1=1
One plus one plus one what? Apples? Sure, that adds up to three apples. What do three drops of water add up to?

>>2301626
Jews? I bet it's Jews.

>>2301614
And that is nonsensical and stupid.

>>2301626
Retarded analogy as the three drops in question cease to be three separate drops once they pool together.

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>>2301643
>And that is nonsensical and stupid

>>2301647
Stupid meme pictures aren't arguments either. 3 persons means 3 gods, not 1.

Why? Because 1+1+1=3.

>>2301619
>>The sun isn't burning
Uhh what

>>the sun isn't emitting anything
wut

>>the sun is hollow
Are you fucking retarded?

>>eric dollard
Who the fuck is this and what did he cram into your anus to make you think this dumb shit?

>>2301673

The information of the world at your fingertips, and all you do is look up free porn.

>>2299108
The Holy Spirit doesn't exist, it's a human invention.

>>2301666
What do three fires add up to?

>>2301643
As one drop, yes.

There is only one drop.

>>2301682

Boy are you in for a rude awakening.

New International Version
In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.

New Living Translation
In the same way, these people--who claim authority from their dreams--live immoral lives, defy authority, and scoff at supernatural beings.

New American Standard Bible
Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.

King James Bible
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

>>2301689
it's true though, the HS really is a human invention

>>2301666
Being =/= person
A jellyfish has being but it doesn't have person
A computer has person but it doesn't have being

>>2301684
A singular fire that cannot be three separate fires at the same time.

>>2301698
King James Bible
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

>>2301682
>>2301698
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 14:26
Sorry anon, He is a person

>>2301705
What happens when three separate fires merge, and what made them different when they were separate?

>>2301705
Just as the three separate persons of the trinity make one God. I'm glad that you managed to understand

>>2301698

Really, really, really rude awakening.

>>2301705

Can three candles lit with their wicks bound together be one fire?

>>2301685
Three drops of water that merge into one single drop of water cease to be three separate drops and the same is true in reverse, a single drop of water that separates into three different drops ceases to be a single drop.

>>2301710
Except no because those three separate persons cease to be separate persons when they become one deity.

>>2301724
King James Bible
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

>>2301714
No because the melting wax and flame from the candles will destroy the fastening holding them together.

>>2301731
Bible quotes mean nothing to me.

>>2301724
Based on what? You realize God, by definition, defies logic right? Why are you trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? Just because you don't have the faculties to understand why it is so doesn't mean it isn't so.

>>2301718
True. There are not three gods mushed into One.

There is One God who manifested himself to us in three different ways, so that we might get to know him a little bit.

>>2301724
They each maintain their own personhood, and love the others dearly.

This is something you need to look into.

>>2301743
>>deity defies logic
Then there is no point discussing that deity then as the deity in question can have whatever traits you want him to have.

>>2301736
So while it lasts, which in God's case would be eternity, is there one flame?

>>2301741
King James Bible
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

King James Bible
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

>>2301747
He has whatever traits he has.

>>2301741

(That's atheist post random bible verses guy. I assume you're new here.)

>>2301712
You seem upset. You probably believe in ghosts too. Don't forget to take your meds.

>>2301744
There is no difference between that and characters in question being three separate entities.

>>2301745
>>This is something you need to look into
Not really. The concept is incredibly dumb and I'm mostly just killing time here waiting for some takeout to arrive.

>>2301756

I'm calm. Calmer than you are.

(Ghosts are demons taking forms to deceive people. There aren't that many things to pay attention to. This would be one of them.)

>>2301764

One God, manifesting himself in three different ways, as Father, Son, and Spirit.

Or he could just have stayed in his unapproachable light habitat and we'd know nothing about him.

>>2301749
No because there are three separate candles that are burning.

>>2301764

The concept of eternal justice is anything but "dumb".

The problem is that you're dead and don't know it yet. Obviously your problem, and not mine.

>>2301770
>>One God, manifesting himself in three different ways, as Father, Son, and Spirit.
Yeah no. 1+1+1=3, not 1.

>>2301775

So you cannot into analogy.

Then you really cannot into Trinity.

>>2301782

What is 1 x 1 x 1?

>>2301764
>The concept is incredibly dumb
You can apply that to things proven by science as well. Just because a concept seems counter intuitive to you, like the idea that observing a particle can change the way it interacts with things, doesn't mean they're not true. If we ruled out everything because it doesn't mesh with common sense we'd still say the Earth is flat because you don't fall off it when you travel around it

>>2301779
>>eternal justice
lol

>>you're dead and don't know it yet
Right back at you skippy. You're wasting your time preaching here when you could be doing just about any other thing you wanted to.

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New Living Translation
After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy."

>>2301788
The difference here is that we have actual proof that the earth isn't flat going back thousands of years. The same cannot be said of any deity or group of deities that have been said to exist.

>>2301794

This is the best use of my time. Redeeming the days, for they are evil.

Spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ to the poor at the ends of the earth, at the end of time.

My God is proud of me.

Your god hates your guts and wants you dead. It's time you started thinking about switching gods.

>>2301801

Jesus rose from the dead, did not die again, and ascended bodily into heaven, proving his extraordinary claims to be God.

>>2301800
More evidence of a young universe, as an old universe would not have spiral armed galaxies. They would be featureless disks.

Also evidence that math is from God, not invented by man.

>>2301805
As an atheist I do not worship any deities.

>>2301807
There is no real proof for this claim and therefore I see no reason to believe you.

>>2301801
The point is the same however. Reality doesn't necessarily mesh with what a person thinks would 'make sense'. Every time 'common sense' gets proven wrong you set the bar back a little bit further and declare anything beyond it is too dumb to even contemplate. Until something on that side gets proven then you move the bar again and once again confidently declare that ok, you were wrong on that one, but now you've got it right and that the other ideas are too dumb. Until one gets proven, then you move the bar again...

>>2301828
So what you're saying here is that our understanding of the physical universe is imperfect?

Great, I agree. Now, what does that have to do with claims that jewish/christian mythology have any basis in fact?

>>2301823

Rude, rude awakening.

You will bend the knee, and confess Jesus to be the Lord God Almighty.

Soon, when it will benefit you, or later, when you have no choice in the matter.

You will not be an atheist a thousand years from now.

>>2301823

It's the most documented event in ancient history, about the most famous person in human history, in the best selling book of all time.

>>2301838
Not imperfect.

Always wrong.

And never getting "more right".

>>2301842
I will be nothing one thousand years from because barring some major medical advances I will be dead.

>>2301842
You won't be a christian 100 years from now.

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>>2299108
How does the Holy Spirit even look like?

>>2301849
>>Always wrong
Yeah no. You just proved you're a moron when you claimed this.

>>2301838
There is more proof to support the events in the New Testament occurred than there is to support the idea that a person named Socrates existed.

>>2301882
From christian apologists maybe, but such proof is highly dubious for obvious reasons.

>>2301855
I will be a glorified Christian 100 years from now, ruling and reigning with my Lord over a new heaven and a new earth, with my place secured in his Kingdom.

You?

Weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, that sort of thing.

>>2301857
>arguing with the retarded fundie

Why.

>>2301850
Your death will transition you into a new body designed to withstand hellfire.

Congratulations on your rebellion against the Almighty. It already lost.

>>2301856

When you see leaves blowing in the wind, what does the wind look like?

>>2301857
Science is always wrong. Always has been, always will be. Takes a generation or so to prove that is always the case.

It's always the case.

>>2301846
>>most documented
You mean most copied document.

>>most famous
I dunno, I think Julius Caesar counts for this as well. Not that it really matters though, as none of this counts as proof for the supernatural claims in the bible.

>>best selling book of all time
Even if this is true, it really isn't relevant.

>>2301908
>Even if this is true, it really isn't relevant.

It's worth noting that Quotations From Chairman Mao is second on that list.

>>2301908
Most documented, and most copied, yes.

Literally throw out everything over 200 years old if you don't understand manuscripts and historical records.

>>2301899
The movement of microscopic particles of the various compounds that make up air.

>>2301911
But there's no fedora brigade trying to say Mao never existed.

>>2301913
There are no particles.

There are only fields, and fields are not particles.

11/10 autistic though.

>>2301897
My death will transition me nowhere as the death of my body and brain means the death of me.

>>2301901
Really? So the earth isn't round then? Things fall down rather then up? Disease is caused by evil spirits that can be cast out by shamans/priests?

>>2301917

You state your baseless opinions without evidence, reason, or fact.

Yet you find them credible.

I do not.

And no, the earth is not round. Even if you consider the profile of the oceans on it.

Do "things fall down" in space?

Do you have any way to "scientifically" observe evil spirits?

No?

Rude awakening. Really, really rude awakening.

>>2301914
Yes, but not even the communist party of China tries to claim that being widely published makes every single thing Mao claimed it in absolute truth.

>>2301915
Oh man, better go tell all them particle physicists that they're wasting their lives.

>>2301912
Something being written in a historical record does not make that something a fact, history is the study of the plausible and the likely, and the supernatural events in the bible are neither.

>>2301914
Nobody is seriously claiming Mao rose from the dead either.

Are there any binitarian or quaternian brands of Christianity?

>>2301927
They also don't have to respond to autists who say there is no evidence Jesus ever existed.

They are wasting their lives whether I tell them or not.

>>2301928
You're on a history board saying that ancient manuscripts don't mean anything. That the overwhelming number of extant manuscripts proving the veracity of the bible are meaningless.

Are you lost?

Report the fundie troll people. It's not fucking hard, and a statement like "science is always wrong, and you'll go to hell for disagreeing with me" is not academic discussion of religion.

>>2301935
>They also don't have to respond to autists who say there is no evidence Jesus ever existed.

But there isn't.

>>2299108
CHRISTIANITY IS A FUCKING RUN OFF OF PAGANISM. GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID AS SHIT

>>2301925
>>and no, the earth isn't round
Moron.

>>do things fall down in space?
No because stuff falling down is the result of gravity.

>>Do you have any way to "scientifically" observe evil spirits?
No because those things are fictional, while viruses, bacteria and tumors are not.

>>Rude awakening. Really, really rude awakening.
I'm detecting some butthurt, are your hemorrhoids acting up?

>>2301945
Wrong

>>2301935
>>You're on a history board saying that ancient manuscripts don't mean anything.
I didn't say this.

>>That the overwhelming number of extant manuscripts proving the veracity of the bible are meaningless.
The bible being copied a lot does not make the supernatural claims in the bible true or even likely to be true for the self same reason why accounts of greek deities intervening during the trojan war are not true even though the trojan war actually happened.

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With this level of retardation and blatant idiocy, these people have got to be shitty trolls.

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>>2301972
>Calls other people trolls
>Posts cropped furry porn

>>2301972
Blah blah blah, boobs or GTFO

>>2299108
A guy, another guy and a ghost. Only pedophiles could come up with this crap.

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>>2301975
Boo-hoo, cry me a river, you retarded fundie.

>>2301928
>Nobody is seriously claiming Mao rose from the dead either.

Because Mao stayed dead.

Jesus rose out of the grave, spent 40 days on earth after his resurrection, and bodily ascended into heaven.

That's why he matters, and Mao does not.

>>2301947
>No because stuff falling down is the result of gravity.

Literally could not be more ignorant about science.

Is there anything you do know about?

>>2301972
My sincerest apologies my good yiffer. I will eventually learn to report the fundie trolls to the mods, but I cannot guarantee I won't continue to bounce them around the room like retarded bouncing balls as picking on the mentally challenged is always funny to me.

>>2301975
>>2301980
Wait till friday boys, /b/ will have all the furry prons you could ask for then.

>>2301964

Prove the trojan war happened.

[citation]

Protip: Don't rely on old copied manuscripts.

>>2301991
Once again, you have no real proof for this claim.

>>2301996
Gravity doesn't keep things from floating off the surface of the planet and into outer space? What does, Jebuz magicks? :^)

>>2302008
Written eyewitness accounts during the lifetime of eyewitnesses with zero contradictory stories.

Dismissing the bible because you're autistic is a bad idea.

You don't know what gravity is. At all. You first said that gravity makes things fall down.

Idiotic.

>>2302001
I can't actually prove that war happened, all I or any historian can claim is that a war happened near where the city of troy existed and there is archaeological evidence of damage to the city that appears to be caused by fire.

The Jesus myth has nowhere near that level of supporting evidence. And frankly comparison you are trying to make here doesn't work very well because I'm not denying that a man named Jesus was executed in 1st century judaea, I'm denying the supernatural claims because they are ridiculous like all supernatural claims are.

People just don't rise from the dead and random jewish religious/political dissidents are not actually the sons of deities.

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You Christcucks have no proof that any of your claims about a Resurrection happened. It is certainly not "the most documented event in history", as you blatantly lie. There are no extra-Biblical accounts of the event, and what's more, the academic consensus is firmly that the 4 Gospels in the modern Bible were written an entire generation after Jesus' death. The earliest Gospel is Mark, and even that was written some 40 - 50 years after the supposed ministry of Jesus.

There have been plenty of successful criticisms of the Bible. You're just in a faith where ignoring such things is considered a virtue, and where using political power to destroy such criticisms is considered an obligation.

>>2302024
>>a war likely happened near where the city of troy existed
Fixed

>>2302022
>>Written eyewitness accounts during the lifetime of eyewitnesses with zero contradictory stories.
And the only source for these claims is the bible which is not actually reliable as a source for proof of it's own claims.

>>you don't know what gravity is because you used a simplistic explanation of it therefore you are idiotic
lol speaking of idiots. You want a detailed explanation of how things like gravity work go ask a physicist.

>>2301491
And sold indulgences

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>>2302022
>You don't know what gravity is

And what does it matter? After all, you were the one saying gravity doesn't exist in the first place

>>2302030
I just want you to know that I appreciated this post. I had honestly forgotten some of the things you mentioned.

>>2302001
There's archeological evidence of an invasion of peoples from the area around Greece into a fortified city that matches both the time period and general description of the Trojan war.

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>>2302054
Thanks!

Don't forget, that we know the reference to Jesus appearing in the work of Josephus is an interpolation from later Christian scribes, and that the reference to 'Chrestos' in Tacitus is not only set two centuries after the ministry of Jesus, but only reports (and rather disdainfully) what the members of a certain cult in the city of Rome believed in. Not en eyewitness account, and certainly doesn't contribute to establishing Jesus' existence anymore than the Wikipedia article on Greek gods proves the Olympians are real because it is mentioned the Greeks believed in them.

>>2302030
>where using political power to destroy such criticisms is considered an obligation.

And one of the oldest traditions of the faith. I personally would love to hear what Julian had to say about the faith, since his criticisms would have been much closer to its genesis, but no, those butthurt shitheads just had to destroy all written copies of Against the Galileans.

>>2302074
>that we know the reference to Jesus appearing in the work of Josephus is an interpolation from later Christian scribes

That's not entirely true. We're fairly sure that his work was interpolated by Christian scribes, but not specifically that him mentioning the existence of Jesus was.

It's worth noting that Josephus' work is also a good argument against the Bible, since despite him both extensively studying Herod from a position of close association with his immediate family and being very anti-Herod, he never mentions the massacre of the innocents.

>>2302086
Yeah but the problem here is that the biblebanger in this thread was claiming the resurrection as historical fact, which it isn't for various reasons several of which have been mentioned in this thread.

>>2302030
>and what's more, the academic consensus is firmly that the 4 Gospels in the modern Bible were written an entire generation after Jesus' death. The earliest Gospel is Mark, and even that was written some 40 - 50 years after the supposed ministry of Jesus.
That's currently being challenged. There is mounting evidence that the gospels were written even earlier than that

>>2302164
>There is mounting evidence that the gospels were written even earlier than that

No there isn't. Why are Christfags such liars?

>>2299108

Is this the /his/ version of trolling?

Post a undisputed falsehood among reasoned people and claim it as fact without any argument?

>>2302176
The gospel of Luke is quoted as scripture by the apostle Paul

>>2302188
ahmed pls

>>2302113
It is historical fact. God said it, I believe it that's the end of it

>>2302176
The only reason they got dated after 70AD is because people assumed because they predicted the destruction of the temple they must have been written after. That's the ONLY reason. All other evidence points to them being written in 50AD or even earlier. That's when Pauls letters were written and he was already using the gospels as part of his ministry.

>>2302197
>reasoned people follow Islam

Yea they look like a reasonable bunch.

>>2302200
>The only reason they got dated after 70AD is because people assumed because they predicted the destruction of the temple they must have been written after.

Go to bed Constantine. [Citation Needed]

>All other evidence points to them being written in 50AD or even earlier.

[Citation Needed]

>That's when Pauls letters were written

[Citation Needed]

>>2302188
How the the doctrine of the trinity an 'undisputed falsehood' considering the 5 largest Christian Churches in the world unanimously agree it is fact. Sounds disputed as fuck to me

>>2302199
The superstitions you grew up with are not historical facts.

>>2302194
>>2302200
Paul's letters are still dated to some 20 years after the supposed supernatural events occured and there is still no surviving non-biblical sources for said events either.

>>2302207
*tips fedora*

>>2302208
>5 largest Christian Churches in the world unanimously agree it is fact

Wow...all 5 eh?

>>2302212
That's some quality academia.

>>2302207
>[Citation Needed]
"The first letter to the Thessalonians was likely the first of Paul's letters, probably written by the end of AD 52, making it the oldest book in the New Testament."

>>2302218
Oh man, an unsourced quote.

>>2302194
That's because the author of Luke is reasonably assumed to be the same author who wrote those parts of Acts that refer to Luke.

There wasn't any actual prophesying.

>>2302210
>The superstitions you grew up with
euphoric
>Paul's letters are still dated to some 20 years after the supposed supernatural events occured
woah, you're telling me Paul's epistles are closer to events described than almost any other historical text of antiquity?
>there is still no surviving non-biblical sources for said events either
Even if this were true, we are not comparing evidences one way or the other. You are not offered the right to repent and believe, you are commanded.

>>2302213
Those 5 Churches comprise 1.6 Billion people or 20% of the population. Again, sounds disputed as fuck to me.

>>2302214
Academia is full of worthless pseudo-intellectuals

>>2302223
I wasn't referring to Acts, I was referring to 1 Timothy
>the author of Luke is reasonably assumed to be the same author who wrote those parts of Acts that refer to Luke
Are you serious? It's well known fact Luke was the author of ALL of Acts

>>2302226
So if you collect enough fools together they can will what they wish into being?

Sounds bloody reasonable to me ya cunt.

>>2302231
Sounds disputed to me and you're backpedaling like the fucking idiot you are for saying it's "undisputed falsehood". Keep it up you intellectual midget

>>2302224
>>woah, you're telling me Paul's epistles are closer to events described than almost any other historical text of antiquity?
Doesn't matter as there is still some 20 years worth of distance between the supposed mystical happening and anything paul ever wrote.

>>Even if this were true, we are not comparing evidences one way or the other. You are not offered the right to repent and believe, you are commanded.
>>follow the commands of my imaginary friend!
Piss off faggot, your attempts at intimidation are as puerile as they are insulting.

>>2302237
>undisputed falsehood among reasoned people

Not undisputed among the fools.

>>2302240
So do you believe any history at all? If a book about WW2 was written in 2000 you would dismiss it as falsehood because it was written too long after the actual event? Sounds like you're slipping into solipsism. You do realise that almost every ancient event we know about is sourced from material decades or even centuries after the event occurred right?

>>2302240
>Doesn't matter as there is still some 20 years worth of distance between the supposed mystical happening and anything paul ever wrote.
If that's relevant we best be tossing out all ancient history. Many of the most famous men in history wouldn't be recorded until centuries after their deaths
>my imaginary friend
It's not an imaginary friend, He is creator of all things. Shall the pot say to the potter "Prove to me you exist"?
>intimidation
Take your meds

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>>2302237
Here's a picture for you to better help you understand.

You and your 20% are right in the 87ish and down crowd.

>>2302245
There are tens of thousands of Christian scholars I would have far more respect for in their intellect than a random 4chan shitposter, sorry buddy. You're deluded if you think you're among the 'reasoned people', you're just another dumbass

>>2302253
euphoric

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>>2302253
>tfw 4chan fedora tipper thinks being an atheist makes him smarter than Isaac Newton

>>2302259
No doubt you would respect people telling you what you want to hear. Idiots are like that.

They love people who tell them they are not idiots.

>>2302250
>Take your meds

Yeah, because you've obviously not been trying nonstop fear tactics since you started shitposting here.

The world would be a better place if your mother swallowed.

>>2302263
He also thought he could transmute gold and the solar system being on a plane was proof of the divine.

So while we are not smarter than him, science and philosophy have advanced since his time, and we have access to information he did not

>>2302263
>implying Isaac Newton wasn't also a crazy asshole that believed in alchemy and died a virgin

>>2302263
Smarter than you retards trying to prove something as a fact based on what % of the population believes it to be true.

But no, quote me some more people who were quite limited in their understanding of the world simply based on the time in which they happened to live as proof of "smart" people sharing your belief today.

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>>2302268
>tfw 4chan fedora tipper thinks he's smarter than Warner Heisenberg

>>2302268
"...and with all your mind"

You can't do it with devotion.

>>2302267
Not an argument

>>2302248
ww2 has a lot more historical evidence, and the events that transpired are not things that go against what we know about physics and the world we live in. The supernatural claims of the bible by contrast are hilariously unprovable and absurd, the blitzkrieg and Patton's campaigns are not.

>>If a book about WW2 was written in 2000 you would dismiss it as falsehood because it was written too long after the actual event?
Depends on what the book in question claims. If it makes blatantly unprovable and unverifiable claims then I will dismiss it as having any merit as a historical work.

>>Sounds like you're slipping into solipsism. You do realise that almost every ancient event we know about is sourced from material decades or even centuries after the event occurred right?
So? We don't take Caesar's claims that he was descended from Venus as being credible, nor do we believe that the greco-roman pantheon intervened in the trojan war or any other conflict that occured in the time period. I see no reason to treat the supernatural events of the bible any differently.

>>If that's relevant we best be tossing out all ancient history. Many of the most famous men in history wouldn't be recorded until centuries after their deaths
I sure do dismiss any claims these men have to supernatural powers or abilities and I see no reason why the historical person of Jesus should be treated any differently.

>>It's not an imaginary friend, He is creator of all things.
The deity in question is actually fictional, just like any other god or goddess that has ever been supposed to exist.

>>Shall the pot say to the potter "Prove to me you exist"?
This analogy is almost as retarded as you are, congrats.

>>Take your meds
Amusing words to hear from a fundie retard who thinks the earth is flat.

>>2302276
>smarter than a nazi

Doesn't take much.

>>2302274
The sad thing is that you probably do actually have some misplaced sense of intellectual superiority based on the fact you got brainwashed by Dawkins. Pro tip, smart people accomplish things in life, you're a mediocre person who desperately trying to validate your own sense of superiority. Many such cases among young impressionable atheists

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>>2302285
>Not being a nazi

>>2302289
>I have no argument so I will attack you personally

Well done, gold star for you today Jeremiah.

>>2302282
>I sure do dismiss any claims these men have to supernatural powers or abilities
Ah, we've found it! You presuppose the materialist worldview. You presuppose a naturalist, atheist world. Claims of miracles? Must be wrong, that contradicts my presuppositions! Now that we've discovered the true origins of our disagreement, why don't we stop arguing over evidence as if though any could convince either of us, and instead lay our presuppositions on the table, and compare them?
>The deity in question is actually fictional, just like any other god or goddess that has ever been supposed to exist.
Not an argument
>This analogy is almost as retarded as you are, congrats.
Not an argument
>Amusing words to hear from a fundie retard who thinks the earth is flat.
Not an argument

>>2302285
Atheists are true retards

>>2302289
Hey, at least he doesn't take pride in his ability to believe obviously insane bullshit against all evidence to the contrary because he thinks he's getting cosmological goodboy points for doing it that'll allow him to live in paradise after a life as a parasitic failure for it.

>>2302296
He's not wrong

>>2302297
>Ah, we've found it! You presuppose the materialist worldview. You presuppose a naturalist, atheist world. Claims of miracles? Must be wrong, that contradicts my presuppositions! Now that we've discovered the true origins of our disagreement, why don't we stop arguing over evidence as if though any could convince either of us, and instead lay our presuppositions on the table, and compare them?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

>>2302301
Do you believe black people are inferior to white people?

>>2302305
He's wrong on every point...

Did you base that assumption on faith as well?

>>2302301
To the one who believes, no evidence is necessary. To the one who does not, no evidence is possible.
>>2302306
So why don't you give me the extraordinary evidence that the supernatural is impossible

>>2302307
Why would I?

>>2302310
You have a serious case of Dunning Kruger. Just embrace your mediocrity

>>2302314
Because science proves it. The only reason not to accept it is "muh fee fees". It would be quite sad to see someone who prides them self on accepting the results of scientific inquiry dispute scientific fact because of feelings, wouldn't you agree

>>2302316
>That personal attack failed so lets try again

You truly are a reasoned bunch, using your words and logic to convince people of your truths.Not just flinging shit like the half wit monkeys you are.

>>2302313
>To the one who believes, no evidence is necessary. To the one who does not, no evidence is possible.

This is more damning to your position than the converse. Mentally ill people don't require evidence to sustain their narratives and there is no possible evidence of their narrative that will convince a sane person.

But you're also making a ridiculous strawman of the opponent's position. There's not an atheist on earth (except possibly Hume) that would have doubted the claims of the Bible if God opened up heaven before them and said "this shit is true, all of it."

>>2302320
>Because science proves it.

Let me guess, IQ statistics? IQ isn't an objective metric of superiority or inferiority and is a deeply flawed concept.

>>2302327
Brainlet detected.

>>2302321
>Comes into thread starts calling people 'retards' for not agreeing with his beliefs
>"Help mommy, they're saying bad words about me!"
If you lower the level of discourse by constantly insulting people you can't really get offended when you get some shit flung back at you.

>>2302323
Bullshit. You would dismiss it as the invention of your own imagination and comitt yourself. The problem is the way we analyze evidence is based on fundamental presuppositions, and thus no evidence can be given for a presupposition because it would have to be analyzed by said presupposition. Let's stop arguing about the stream and go to the source

>>2302292
/pol/ if you fuckers had done a better job with the jew murdering way back when we wouldn't have to deal with all these fucking christards shitting up this board. /sci/ gave you dipshits that time machine for a reason and not only didn't you NOT make hitler win the war you also failed to go back in time and get hebe release campaign going properly and here we fucking are.

>>2302338
>You would dismiss it as the invention of your own imagination and comitt yourself.

Only if I couldn't verify it with anyone else. If God did this to the entire world every generation or so, there'd be no such thing as unbelief and you know it.

>Let's stop arguing about the stream and go to the source

You want to believe you get cosmological goodboy points for being a self-righteous piece of human garbage?

>>2302342
Christians are the only reason Trump got elected and we have hope that things are going to be fixed.

>>2302336
There is no discourse here, as stated this thread is the equivalent to /his/ trolling so no I won't treat you like an adult when you act like a petulant child.

I will mock you and your pathetic arguments (which you ran out of it seems) for my own damn amusement.

Or do you have some argument that proves your presupposition that the holy trinity is somehow an accepted fact that you have not bothered to share?

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>>2302356
>I will mock you and your pathetic arguments (which you ran out of it seems) for my own damn amusement.
Holy fuck it's like r/atheism incarnate. Should've guessed I was talking to an edgy 15 year old I guess.

>>2302356
could you be any more of a neckbeard?

>>2302344
>Only if I couldn't verify it with anyone else
What if God chose you to be a fool for Christ? What if God chose to glorify Himself by your foolishness for Him? Has God not made foolish the wisdom of the world?
>You want to believe you get cosmological goodboy points for being a self-righteous piece of human garbage?
I am a wretched sinner deserving of death and hell, I crave death so I can at last be free of this sinful distopia. If it were not for the grace of God, I would be in the fate I rightly deserve. But while I was yet a sinner, Christ died for me. The only one deserving of any praise or honor is God and God alone.

>>2302313
>>To the one who does not, no evidence is possible.
Dude if you really believed this you wouldn't be here.

>>You presuppose the materialist worldview.
Of course I do, and really so do most believers, they just make exceptions for the religion they grew up with. You though are likely a special kind of retarded though and you probably think the various claims of supernatural events from and for non-christian faiths are actually demonic powers or some silly bullshit like that.

>>lay our presuppositions on the table, and compare them
Okay. My presuppositions are what makes the computer you're typing on possible, the medicines and vaccines that kept you from dying from numerous illnesses that affect children specifically, the agricultural techniques that allow you to eat a full meal every night because food is really cheap, the food preservation and preparation methods that keep you from dying of food poisoning, the water purification methods that allow you to drink from the tap without shitting out your bowels an hour later, I could go on here, but really I made my fucking point.

You by contrast have prayers and faith healing that don't work all that well if at all.

>>2302361
>>2302368

>more personal attacks

Well done chaps, keep up the shit flinging and you will win the day!

>>2302369
>What if God chose you to be a fool for Christ? What if God chose to glorify Himself by your foolishness for Him? Has God not made foolish the wisdom of the world?

I'm sure an all-powerful God can convince me of the truth of his statements then.

>I am a wretched sinner deserving of death and hell, I crave death so I can at last be free of this sinful distopia. If it were not for the grace of God, I would be in the fate I rightly deserve. But while I was yet a sinner, Christ died for me. The only one deserving of any praise or honor is God and God alone.

Oh go put a toothpick under your big toenail and kick a wall, you self-flagellating self-fellating piece of shit. You're not fooling anyone with this false humility shit; you debase yourself to exalt yourself and you're fucking garbage for it.

>>2302374
>Dude if you really believed this you wouldn't be here.
I fully believe that. I am not here for you but for my Lord
>You though are likely a special kind of retarded though and you probably think the various claims of supernatural events from and for non-christian faiths are actually demonic powers or some silly bullshit like that.
euphoric
>the computer you're typing on possible, the medicines and vaccines that kept you from dying from numerous illnesses that affect children specifically, the agricultural techniques that allow you to eat a full meal every night because food is really cheap, the food preservation and preparation methods that keep you from dying of food poisoning, the water purification methods that allow you to drink from the tap without shitting out your bowels an hour later
And why do you believe any of these things are true? Why don't you believe you are all that is and all else there is is a product of your imagination, including myself?

>>2302375
I'm confused, you've already posted that you have no intention of being civil, yet you're somehow offended and surprised when the response is to abandon civil discourse? There really isn't any point to trying to sway you either way because I know all I'm going to get is ad hominems and 15 year old edgyness, so why would I even make the effort?

If you want me to educate you in theology I'll do so in the next thread, hopefully you'll be more willing to settle down and talk like an adult

>>2302381
>I'm sure an all-powerful God can convince me of the truth of his statements then
He does not request you come, He is your King and as such commands you bow. Who are you, O man, to think yourself worthy to judge God?
>Oh go put a toothpick under your big toenail and kick a wall, you self-flagellating self-fellating piece of shit. You're not fooling anyone with this false humility shit; you debase yourself to exalt yourself and you're fucking garbage for it.
Believe me, don't believe me, I do not care one way or the other but I speak honest truth and if a man has ears to hear let him hear

>>2302297
First see>>2302374
Second you completely failed to address why I should take your specific supernatural claims seriously when you likely either dismiss all others or defame them as being evil with no real proof other then what is essentially glorified propaganda for your side.

>>2302386
>euphoric

Dude, not even him, but what precisely is euphoric about that? Pointing out that you're quite eager to act like a fedora tipper in regards to other faiths is entirely legitimate. What was that about the beam in your eye?

>>2302391
>He does not request you come, He is your King and as such commands you bow. Who are you, O man, to think yourself worthy to judge God?

I'm greater than a fiction, and if he thinks otherwise, may he strike me down.

>Believe me, don't believe me, I do not care one way or the other but I speak honest truth and if a man has ears to hear let him hear

Fuck yourself.

>>2302390
>I'm not going to bother debating because reasons....you're a neckbeard!

I'm buying this as the real reason you have abandoned any reasoned defence of your positions. It's certainly not because your two previous attempts were laughable failures which showed how idiotic your logic was, no, not because of that at all.

But take the high ground now after ..3? Outright misguided personal attacks which failed to yield the result you desired and claim all questions will be answered...sometime later...not now...for reasons.

I am totally buying it. Good on ya cunt.

>>2302386
>>And why do you believe any of these things are true? Why don't you believe you are all that is and all else there is is a product of your imagination, including myself?
Probably because there is no real proof for these claims, much like your god. Or faith healing for that matter. Oh and one other thing:

>>2302369
>>I am a wretched sinner deserving of death and hell, I crave death so I can at last be free of this sinful distopia. If it were not for the grace of God, I would be in the fate I rightly deserve. But while I was yet a sinner, Christ died for me. The only one deserving of any praise or honor is God and God alone.
Unlike you, I do not hate or loathe my own self. Nor do I see me or any other person as being especially worthy of being tortured for any particular length of time. Your self hatred and misery are your own, don't expect anyone else on here to take them as anything other then the sad and pitiful delusions of a sad and pitiful person.

>and people are still replying

>>2302402
I always had the high ground. I simply accepted that someone who says

>I will mock you and your pathetic arguments for my own damn amusement.

Is not actually arguing in good faith. Would you disagree? Note that you never actually rebutted any argument, you simply made ad hominems. If you actually want to discuss the theology of the trinity I'll see you in the next thread, but I'm not going to waste time and effort explaining things to someone who simply responds with "lol u r a retard"

>>2302415
It's mildly amusing.

Like throwing rocks around a cat who thinks the rocks must be alive. I am starting to grow depressed that these people are actually serious however.

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>>2302356
>There is no discourse here, as stated this thread is the equivalent to /his/ trolling

You're the one doing the trolling, you fucking retard. When will you idiots realize that /his/ is not the place to push your religious fuckery? There's /x/ and Cripplechan for that, and what's more, there won't be any of the "big mean evil" atheists to push you fags around.

So go there, and stay there.

>>2302415
IT'S 4CHAN BITCH

IF PEOPLE STOPPED REPLYING TO BLATANT TROLLS AND SHITPOSTERS THE BOARD WOULD DIE WITHIN A DAY AND THEN WHERE WOULD WE BE?

WE'D HAVE TO POST ON REDDIT OR TUMBLR OR SOME OTHER FUCKING SHITHOLE AND WE DONT FUCKING WANT T HAT SO GET YOUR FUCKING WADING BOOTS AND RAINCOAT ON AND IMMERSE YOURSELF IN THE PISSRIVER ALREADY

YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO

This thread hit the bump limit, making a new Christian General now

>>2302393
>why I should take your specific supernatural claims seriously
Why should I take your specific naturalist claims seriously? Your presuppositions are not immune to the same criticism
>>2302394
I don't act like a fedora tipper toward other religions, I never simply dismiss them I argue against them.
>>2302397
>may he strike me down
Oh, He will. Your tongue will be stilled and your boasting silenced, one way or another.
>Fuck yourself.
Why do you project your own self righteousness onto me? You accused me of desiring exaltation in eternity and when I denied this and readily confessed my own wickedness you lashed out. Perhaps it is you, who desires to be raised up, and you know your own black heart, sinner.
>Probably because there is no real proof for these claims
Are they not the default? Why should you assume the far more extraordinary and less falsifiable alternative?
>Unlike you, I do not hate or loathe my own self
I am not self loathing, it is this world I loathe not myself
>Nor do I see me or any other person as being especially worthy of being tortured for any particular length of time
Are you not evil? Are you a stainless lamb? A single imperfection is worthy of great punishment.
>>2302426
You are a fool and you prove the others right. Go tip your fedora elsewhere, fool.

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>>2302436
Neck yourself, idiot born of idiots.

>>2302423
>I always had the high ground.

He who abandons a reasoned argument for outright personal attacks cannot claim the high ground and once you resort to that expect that nobody is going to bother to be civil with you.

Run along now to the rectory and help father Collins with his robes like a good little boy.

>>2302442
You are lacking in self awareness

>>2302436
Plz no.

We've had enough of this for one day.

>>2302437
>Why do you project your own self righteousness onto me? You accused me of desiring exaltation in eternity and when I denied this and readily confessed my own wickedness you lashed out. Perhaps it is you, who desires to be raised up, and you know your own black heart, sinner.

Of course you desire exaltation for eternity, you just think talking shit about yourself is the way to it. You're scared of dying like the cowardly piece of shit you are.

>>2302442
>He who abandons a reasoned argument
Says the one who never even bothered engaging in reasoned argument in the first place. Again, why are you insisting on holding others to standards you refuse to adhere to yourself?

>>2302444
Maybe if I pray it will be bestowed upon me.

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>>2302437
>Go tip your fedora elsewhere

The "tip fedora" shit is as overused and lame as using "trollface.jpg" in 2017. Get fucked - nobody actually talks civilly with you because the only reply from you - even when people present you with actual arguments, evidence, the scholarly consensus, etc. - is incoherent rambling about 'the Lord will judge you, heathen' that sounds like something from a half-assed anime.

>>2302455
>Says the one who never even bothered engaging in reasoned argument in the first place.

I didn't start this travesty of a thread.

>>2302437
>I don't act like a fedora tipper toward other religions, I never simply dismiss them I argue against them.

I'll buy that for a dollar! You're the fucking fundie shitposter that claims that every religion but your own is inspired by demons and you do nothing but make everything worse here.

>>2302454
There is a beam in thine eye

>>2302437
>>Why should I take your specific naturalist claims seriously? Your presuppositions are not immune to the same criticism
Go right ahead. Pray instead of going to a doctor the next time you get seriously ill, see how far it gets you.

>>Are they not the default? Why should you assume the far more extraordinary and less falsifiable alternative?
The world we live on existing is not extraordinary in any way I can think of. Nor should the non-existence of physical reality be the default claim for somebody who actually has a sound mind, which rules you out admittedly.

>I am not self loathing, it is this world I loathe not myself
The world is neither inherently good or inherently evil, the fact that you loathe it regardless is proof that you must on some level be sad and miserable.

>>Are you not evil?
No I am not evil. Neither are you really, just really stupid pitiful.

>>Are you a stainless lamb?
Nope.

>>A single imperfection is worthy of great punishment.
No it isn't.

>>2302479
I made peace with my death before I was fully grown.

There's literally no reason to believe but being unable to handle some aspect of our world and wanting to believe that a loving (who loves in the sense an abusive parent does) God is at the helm and offering a piece of eternity if you just accept that he had to sacrifice himself to himself to make up for how inherently shit you are. You're a life-denying coward.

>>2299849
I can see that; The analogies at the end break down. If a man looks into a mirror, the mirror cannot be said to still be a man looking into a mirror...nor can the heat of the sun be said to be equal to the sun.

>>2302472
It is true that false religions are of devils, but I do not use this as an argument against them. Your petty insults cause no emotion in me but pity
>>2302480
>Pray instead of going to a doctor the next time you get seriously ill, see how far it gets you.
Red herring
>The world we live on existing is not extraordinary in any way I can think of
Existance itself isn't extraordinary?
>Nor should the non-existence of physical reality be the default claim for somebody who actually has a sound mind, which rules you out admittedly
I pity you fool, you have the same blindness as the sophists
>The world is neither inherently good or inherently evil
Please show me, where in the world is there good without evil? There is no paradise, but many hells.
>No I am not evil.
The emperor has no clothes
>Nope.
Then you are evil
>No it isn't.
Have you never fealt a need for justice? When you see evil against a child or an animal, does the desired punishment not exceed the crime?
>>2302508
>There's literally no reason to believe but being unable to handle some aspect of our world and wanting to believe that a loving (who loves in the sense an abusive parent does) God is at the helm and offering a piece of eternity if you just accept that he had to sacrifice himself to himself to make up for how inherently shit you are.
Then I am an enigma to you, I was just as you were before I believed. I believe for no other reason than the work of the Holy Spirit in my heart.
>You're a life-denying coward
Why do you ignore what I have said? I do not fear death, but crave it. O death, where is thy sting?

>>2302540
>Then I am an enigma to you, I was just as you were before I believed. I believe for no other reason than the work of the Holy Spirit in my heart.

There is no holy spirit. Whatever happened happened in your head.

>Why do you ignore what I have said? I do not fear death, but crave it. O death, where is thy sting?

I know you don't because you haven't stepped in front of a bus or at the very least went to some third world shithole and taken up a dangerous job if you're bothered by the whole suicide thing.

>>2302540
>but I do not use this as an argument against them

I've seen you do it, you lying sack of shit.

>>2302550
>stepped in front of a bus
That is a sin
>went to some third world shithole and taken up a dangerous job
I am too busy, I must be about my Lord's work.
>>2302559
You have seen me do no such thing. Unless there is clear external evidence of demonic origin (such as in Islam) I do not cite this reality.

>>2302550
>I believe for no other reason than the work of the Holy Spirit in my heart

You know we have a paranormal board right?

I think you would fit right in over there

>>2302540
You sound like a retard: I know that in your imagination, you probably think you sound cool and epic, but it's pretty dumb and cringey. No one is going to take you seriously.

Answer me this: why don't you go to another board where they will actually humor your trash? You could go to /x/, or the Christian board on Cripplechan, so why come here, where: one, you are explicitly not wanted, and secondly, you are off-topic?

Go somewhere where they'll humor you and where you'll rambling will still be on-topic.

>>2302565
>You have seen me do no such thing. Unless there is clear external evidence of demonic origin (such as in Islam) I do not cite this reality.

I've seen you do it with Hinduism and there's no such evidence for Islam either you bigoted piece of shit.

>>2302567
Can we still email the admin? Because I think we should start emailing him to amend the sticky to note that any supernatural discussion of religion belongs on /x/.

>>2302568
You are truly a fool. My motives are plain but you are blind to them.
Go on fool, enjoy your own company
>>2302587
>I've seen you do it with Hinduism
I've never argued against Hinduism
>there's no such evidence for Islam
There is quite a bit of evidence of it. For instance, the nature of Mohamet's encounter with the "angel", as well as his idea of paradise and the Satanic verses, just to name a few.

>>2302540
>Red herring
That's not what you call the simple reality that your faith isn't anywhere near as strong as you like to claim it is. You are as dependent on the presuppositions of the naturalists as I am, the difference is that you are in denial about it.

>>Existance itself isn't extraordinary?
Not really, no. Out of stupidly large number of star systems and planets that exist it's hardly surprising that at least one of them contains complex lifeforms such as ourselves.

>>I pity you
Right back at you buddy, this religion of yours has made you one sad sack of a person.

>>Please show me, where in the world is there good without evil? There is no paradise, but many hells.
Life on earth isn't perfect so therefore it sucks? Really?

>>The emperor has no clothes
I GOT MAH HAND ON MAH CAWK RIGHT THE FUCK NOW BITCH.

>>Then you are evil
Doesn't work that way outside of your diseased mind.

>>Have you never fealt a need for justice?
Sometimes.

>>When you see evil against a child or an animal, does the desired punishment not exceed the crime?
No. And what we desire and what is actually effective at stopping sociopathic individuals from hurting little kids and cute fluffy animals are frequently two different things.

>>2302587
>Can we still email the admin?

They seem to be on the ball. I would say just don't reply but these quacks will bump their own shit all day long regardless. Suffering fools seems to be our fate barring divine intervention from the mods.

>>2302606
That's great, except they'll inevitably sink any academic discussion about religion regardless.

>>2302601
>You are as dependent on the presuppositions of the naturalists as I am
You've got that backwards. It is YOU that are dependent on my presuppositions
>Out of stupidly large number of star systems and planets that exist
This isn't extraodinary?
>Life on earth isn't perfect so therefore it sucks?
Correct
>And what we desire and what is actually effective at stopping sociopathic individuals from hurting little kids and cute fluffy animals are frequently two different things.
Crucifixion, or something similarly slow and tortures would be very effective at disuading people from these things