Historical facts we wish we could unlearn

Article for those interested.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/17/world/us-knew-in-1953-north-koreans-held-american-pow-s.html

>>2298803
Nice reddit post you got there OP.

>>2298806
I don't even go on Reddit. I found this on Kick-ass facts.

How could Eisenhower sleep soundly knowing what he'd done?

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There is not a single thing I've learned that I'd wished I could forget.

Any truth that you've deemed to be frightening, inconvenient or simply something you can't handle still happened, regardless of your awareness of it. Your knowing of the event is inconsequential in any scheme that matters.

Except one, empowering yourself.

In fact, finding out you've been lied to should make you want to find more lies, not run away from the truth like they want you to.

>>2298862
this is the gayest thing i've read

>>2298888
Hey, at least your a fuck head with Quads.

>>2298862
Pretentious desu,

>>2298803
no

eisenhower did nothing wrong

the real culprit here is allen dulles

he hand his fingers in everyones pie

i doubt eisenhower even knew about this

>>2298803
That's what happens when you trust statists.

>>2298862
Enlightened.
>>2298888
>>2298947
Unenlightened shitposting.

>>2298803
>expecting fascist capitalist warmongers to care about the fate of their soldiers

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>>2300545
this

Why anyone would trust these people is baffling. If Trumpo has a draft I'm off to Canada

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>>2298862
This is the only reasonable post in the thread.

I can't even think of one historical fact I wish I could "unlearn", whatever the fuck that even means.

OP's thread is fucking gay.

>>2298803
Hated Eisenhower after I learnt about Operation Ajax, as well as his order to have Lumumba assassinated.

>>2298803

>While not dismissing the analyst's report entirely, the Defense Department has said it has no clear evidence that any Americans are being held against their will in North Korea, although it has pledged to continue to investigate accounts of defectors and others who say they have seen American prisoners there

there is literally nothing wrong with this

>When the First Sergeant asked West what he wanted it for, West responded that he was going to "kill the sons of bitches." West then told the soldiers guarding the POWs to "turn around if you don't want to see it."[8]

He then killed the POWs by shooting them with the Thompson. When the bodies were discovered some thirty minutes later, it was noted that each POW had been shot through the heart, which indicated shooting at close range. Investigators later learned that after West had emptied the Thompson into the group of POWs, he "stopped to reload, then walked among the men in their pooling blood and fired a single round into the hearts of those still moving."

That moment when I realized I had been brainwashed all my life into believing that our boys were perfect little soldiers and only nazis killed and raped civilians

>>2301586

a lot of his is contrarian because they never learned to be pragmatic

>>2301586
What is Vietnam?

>>2301586
>Not shooting mad dogs through the heart is somehow right.

>>2298862
*tips fedora*

Polk deliberately engineered an incident on the Mexican border in order to conjure up a pretext to invade a sovereign country and wrest their land away. Essentially he sent American soldiers to needlessly die. A number of Irish Americans serving in the army defected to the Mexicans and fought against the Americans because they were treated better in Mexico than they were in America, they were called the San Patricios. Abraham Lincoln as junior Illinois congressman and former president John Quincy Adams, among others, spoke out against the war.

I don't 'regret' learning this, I just think it's something that gets glossed over in American history.

>>2301649
They payed mexico for it though and let Mexicans keep their land on the american side though. They later sold it to federal banks and private banks that sold it to American colonist.

>>2301655
>They payed mexico for it though
If I take your property by force and then negotiate a settlement with you at gunpoint, ultimately coming to a price that was way less than what it was worth, did I rightfully 'pay you for it?'

"Gulf Of Tonkin Incident"

Phoenix Program

>>2299174
>eisenhower did nothing wrong
He should have let MacArthur use nukes. Just nuke our way all the way across Asia. Nuke the Russkies too, because fuck them. We could have won a nuclear war in the 50s and conquered the world.

>>2302278

How certain of that outcome would you be at the time? Certain enough to risk the world ending as we knew it?

>>2301668
>did I rightfully 'pay you for it?'
No.
>Did I pay you for it?
Yes.

>>2302399
Are you insisting that a nominal payment absolves the US of any wrongdoing? What point are you trying to make?

>>2301726
"Operation Northwoods"

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>>2298862
I wish I could forget this post.

>>2302420
In all fairness, the government of Mexico had been offering to sell most of that land to the US for years. However, negotiations always fell through because their government was so unstable. The US was clearly responsible for starting the war, but Mexico let that situation fester.

>>2302278
You could not build enough nukes to stop the chinks. Mao was an absolute madman.

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>>2298862
I know this sounds fedora-y but its true nonetheless

>>2302278
>nuke China
>US has a stockpile of 50-75 nukes
>not enough nukes left to keep the reds out of Europe

>>2299174
>eisenhower did nothing wrong
>"Disarmed Enemy Forces"

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>>2301726

WHADDABOUT
THE
GULF
OF
TAWNKIN

>>2298803

That story about those indians that tortured that one guy during the revolutionary war I think that was to the point where even the most tolerant cucked hippy would say "those fucking redskin savages deserved it"

>>2301586
start shit get hit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre

>>2302278
What MacArthur should have done is not ignored the reports, aerial recon and fucking live Chinese prisoners and put the NATO army on full alert while pulling back to more defensible positions.
The Chinese army was only slightly larger than the NATO force, and far more poorly equipped. They achieved what they did because they achieved near complete surprise they shouldn't have and because MacArthur deployed a division directly into the maw of the approaching army expecting to only engage a shattered North Korean company.

Wouldn't have needed nukes if FDR had just fucking fired MacArthur for incompetence when he fucked the Philippines 10 years ago.

NATO?

>>2299174
I have nothing but seething hatred for Dulles. He and his brother fucked up Guatemala for money and got an airport named after them for it.

>>2300581
Iirc the army is already starting to hate him in record time.

>>2302476
>talking out of your ass
The US offered to buy it constantly and the various Mexican governments told them to fuck off, Iturbide, Victoria, Santa Anna, all of them

Unit 731
fucking nips, man...
And the fact that we let them off the hook for some fucking data about what happens when you tickle someones brain with a close hanger.

>>2303563
clothes*
fuck

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>>2303566

>>2300581
fuck off we're full

>>2302877
Beijing + Moscow
You don't need to glass a continent.

>>2298862
>>2300566
>>2300618
>>2302858
>someone uses a figure of speech or makes a statement that is obviously not true and to be taken as a joke
>they get taken literally
Why do I see this shit here all the time? You people stretch for any excuse to tip that fedora and feel intellectually euphoric.

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>>2303502
Funny, I've been hearing the opposite.
>inb4 hurr durr marines aren't the army

>>2303072

Well... Going to war on a paper thin pretext and then being humiliatingly BTFO by a loose collaboration of half starved rice farmers is a bit shit.

>>2303739

>paper thin pretext
>aiding south vietnam against northern incursion

you're sofa king retarded

>>2303739
>being humiliatingly BTFO by a loose collaboration of half starved rice farmers is a bit shit.
Supported by the USSR and PRC.
The NVA was pretty well equipped for its day.
The VC were the rice farmers.

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>>2303739
oh shit, someone replied.

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>>2298803
>all the boyfucking, molesting and full-homo manrape that took place during ancient times until this very day in some regions of the world

>>2303762
Wrong thread this is shit we wanna forget.

>>2298862
Easy there, Asimov

>>2298862
He doesn't literally mean he wishes he could unlearn the fact, you pretentious twit. He's employing hyperbole for rhetorical effect: "What are some historical facts that really, really upset you?"

>>2298862
wow ebin deep

>>2303801
>Historical facts we wish we could unlearn
>Historical facts we wish we could unlearn
>Historical facts we wish we could unlearn

Khrushchev originally liked Kennedy and really wanted him to win, even asking the KGB to do what it could to help (that sounds more nefarious than it probably actually was)

Also, while it was seen as a victory for the west, the fact that america withdrew missiles from Turkey to end the cuban missile crisis but just didnt talk about it.

It should be noted though that Kennedy was surrounded by people both civilian and military who wanted to invade cuba immediately. A weaker man might have listened and we'd all be dead by now.

>>2303883
Dan Carlin podcast eh

>>2302877

Those bombs during Korean War times were not as powerful as you think.

Moscow and Beijing could both have needed several bombs each to fully destroy it. But the commies already had secret bunkers in isolated places.

So you wasted half your stockpile on the capitals and probably the other important cities. The governments are still active and push through with their gigantic armies.

The Reds take Korea for real, and in the west they push to the Rhine with ease. Real resistance won't be possible until the Reds are in France. Once you start dropping bombs on European soil, most of the European NATO nations capitulates and why wouldnt they? If their choice was to become an atomized battle ground.

>>2303886

FOLKS IMAGINE IF CHURCHILL HAD THE BOMB? OR GHENGIS KHAN OR ALEXANDER THE GREAT OR dare I say... HITLER

>>2303722
>giving a glory to mattis
Literally sacrilege.

>>2301649
Speaking as a [spoiler]Californian[/spoiler[ I'm prepared to forgive Polk.

>>2303722
Mattis is opposed to Trump in nearly every area they could realistically come into conflict over, and our special forces (which Trump seems to see as an ace in the hole which keeps on playin') is being stretched almost to the point of exhaustion. The rank and file love Trump, but those with special skills and responsibilities are trepidatious about him, at best.

>>2303883
>A weaker man might have listened and we'd all be dead by now.
I saw someone posting here that with what we now know about the USSR's nuclear capability, we'd have trounced them at the cost of a couple cities at most until the mid-seventies.
Of course, I read that here, and didn't research it further, so grain of salt.

Bump
Sage

>>2303766

Ahmed plz

>>2301636
This was WW2, though, where the allieds could do no wrong

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>2/3 of Warsaw's prewar population had died by 1945

>>2304156
Tbh those were poles, they pretty much only exist to drop dead whenever they can.

>>2298803
Officially speaking, Dresnok is the only American in NK. I don't really think there would be that many Americans in captivity and NK wouldn't use them in their propaganda or try to trade them to the US.

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>>2304162
delet this u mongoloid

>>2303526
I've got a number of books on the topic, so I'll provide some sources later. However, to summarize, some of Mexico's leaders flirted with the idea of selling a portion of California, usually to cover debts. The idea was never popular with the general populace, so the Mexican government often publicly denounced it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't discussed behind the scenes. The problem was that the Mexican government was continually changing hands between congresses and dictators, so it was very hard for the US to gauge Mexico's position on the matter.

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>>2304194
I don't think that I'll.

>>2298862
You're right, but a total fucking autist
stop writing like a faggot

The experiments with black men and syphillis. Shit was pure evil.

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>>2303861
H Y P E R B O L E

When someone says "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse", do you immediately start lecturing them on why they shouldn't do that?

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>The Bush administration engineered 9/11 to justify taking away our civil liberties and getting oil

Holy shit why the fuck wasn't there a civil war over this but now we'll have one over Trump who did absolutely nothing

>>2301649
>Irish Americans
Were they white?

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>>2298862
Bogpilled.

>>2303650
>Just... Fuck man. I wish I had never learned this fact.
Yep, it's definitely a figure of speech.

>>2305047
>bush starts drone killings and massive domestic spy programs
>people whine
>obama not only continues them but also expands on them
>nobody gives a shit

>>2305403
Because he is black and gave the people a false sense of hope and change. There.

>>2303965

There was definitely a gap in terMS of available nuclear weaponry, but nobody except for the most rabid anticommunists and military lifers thought that losing several American cities would have been acceptable losses even if the Soviets were destroyed.

>>2303502
Who? The generals? The people that politicked and bended knee for the abominable obama administration? Rank and file either dont care or enjoy him.

>>2298814
>on Kick-ass facts
bitch

>>2302278
>conquer the world
please tell me again how globalism is bad

100,000 Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad. Less than 6,000 ever returned home.

>>2305403
republicans cared
some figures in the left cared
several humanitarian aid agencies cared

>>2305403
What is getting used to it?

>>2301586
there`s a scene in Band Of brothers where one guy kills pow`s

>>2305403
i'm a disabled black transgender lesbian and i even agree with this

>>2305382
Who are these two? could I get a quick rundown?

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>>2301586
am I supposed to feel bad?

I wish I never found out we aren't the good guys.

I wish I had never learned about half the shit the CIA pulled. Can't feel patriotic and can't join the fuckfeast that is /pol/.

>>2306082
>I wish I had never learned about half the shit the CIA pulled.
You still haven't.

Hell, part of the problem is that even the CIA hasn't learned about half the shit it's pulled, due to its ability to spawn entirely independent units.

Granted, it's not all the CIA's fault - at least not directly. It's largely a series of buffoons who never watched any of Rod Serling's work giving them the mandate "by any means necessary", as that apparently includes selling crack to US citizens, drugging people for shiggles, propping up hostile governments, creating terrorist cells, bombing US soldiers, etc. etc..

>>2303883
>Also, while it was seen as a victory for the west, the fact that america withdrew missiles from Turkey to end the cuban missile crisis but just didnt talk about it.

Those missiles were already due for replacement.

This has some pretty retarded and pointless shit, really makes you scratch your noggin as to what the hell these people were thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
>In 1896, Dr. Arthur Wentworth performed spinal taps on 29 young children, without the knowledge or consent of their parents, at the Children's Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts to discover whether doing so would be harmful.[7]

Gladwell profiles Dr. Jay Freireich and his experience on the children’s leukemia ward while at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in 1955.
“The kids bled from everywhere— through their stool, urine— that’s the worst part. They paint the ceiling. They bleed from out of their ears, from their skin. There was blood on everything. The nurses would come to work in the morning in their white uniforms and go home covered in blood….When they came to the hospital, ninety percent of the kids would be dead in six weeks…They would bleed to death. If you’re bleeding in your mouth and nose, then you can’t eat. You stop eating. You try to drink. You gag. You vomit. You get diarrhea from the blood in the stools. So you starve to death. Or you get an infection and then you get pneumonia, then you get fever, and then you get convulsions, and then…” He let his voice trail off.
Yet Freireich and his colleague Tom Frei became convinced that the issue was because the platelet count was too low causing the bleeding even though the world expert at NCI didn’t it think so. After developing a novel more precise way of counting platelets, they temporarily stopped the bleeding by transfusing patients with platelets, over the objections of their supervisors.
Now that children didn’t bleed to death, Freireich and Frei moved on to thinking about treatment. Instead of offering one chemotherapy drug (monotherapy), why not do combination chemotherapy with four medications? Monotherapy alone never seemed to cure the cancer. This kind of thinking was completely unheard of. Give four toxic medications when one didn’t do the job? As the first textbook on hematology noted, chemotherapy medications, “cause more harm than good because they just prolong the agony…The patients all die anyway. The drugs make them worse, so you shouldn’t use them.” One drug alone didn’t work. But, four? Would doing a combination be better? Would it be too much for the patients?

>>2306262
>1896

Are you dumb or just so high up on your moral pedastal you cant see whats right there?? That guy demonstrated spinal taps can work on kids, medical revolution.


Just like unit 731 showed a human will survive with their oesophagus connected to eir intestines. Guess what we do now when people get stomach cancer?!

You are such an ignorant pleb it annoys me

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>tfw you realized that world is not as bad, evil and vile as you thought, it's actually 100 times worse
>>2304156
Don't forget the part about 80%-90% of the city being destroyed, most of it not by fighting but by planned demolition.

>>2306040
Ye they are French-Bohemian scientists that got into controversy over the legitimacy of their papers. And apparently they have retarded faces

>>2306315
There's better way to figure that out, retardo. I wanna see what you say when you bring your sick child to a doctor and he injects it with half a gram of LSD because he's curious about what that'd do.

>>2305654
>and bended knee for the abominable obama administration?
The only time insubordination is justified is if there's nuclear weapons involved.

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>>2298862
Nigga you gay.

>>2301586
>only nazis killed and raped civilians
The best part, is that they didn't. Everyone knew it, too. The Russians did, the French did, the Americans did... but not the big bad Nazis, at least not NEARLY on the same scale as the Allies.

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>>2303248
>term "massacre" being employed for soldiers killed in action

Only muricans

>>2305403
Why is there a narrative that no one gives a shit, when it's almost always brought up in discussions about Obama (and has been for the past ~4 years)? The only people I've seen who actively ignore it are politicians, who have their reasons for trying to hide it.

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>>2298862
Two thumbs down

>>2303230
https://tommyleeedwards.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/pissing-off-the-wrong-indians-vol-1-the-extremely-shitty-death-of-colonel-william-crawford/

Morbid read

>>2307048
The point may have to with the fact that when Obama was doing it, the demonstrators who like peace and shit all went home.

>>2306911
millions of dead civilians would disagree with you, you retarded fuck

>>2306052
Quick rundown on them:

>Rothschilds bow to Bogdanoffs

>In contact with aliens

>Possess psychic-like abilities

>Control france with an iron but fair fist

>Own castles & banks globally

>Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line

>Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)

>Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth

>First designer babies will in all likelihood be Bogdanoff babies

>both brothers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51

>Ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them

>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world

>You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now

>The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader’s first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Bogdanoff bunker in Wilkes land?

>They learned fluent French in under a week

>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There’s no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff

>The twins are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society

>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don’t know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they’re benevolent beings.

>>2306919

>soldiers killed in action

No, unarmed prisoners of war getting gunned down in a field by machineguns is not "soldiers killed in action" whether they're Americans or anybody else.

>>2306040
You didnt have to tell us you're disabled 3 times

>>2298814
>Kick-ass facts
edgy and cool

>>2301644
+1