Why did Africa in general got worse after colonialism?

>>2297412

It didn't, Africa as a whole is far wealthier now than under colonialism, and not counting basket cases like Somalia and Libya nearly the whole continent has had year after year of steady growth even during the long recession in the West.

>>2297447
>It didn't, Africa as a whole is far wealthier now than under colonialism
By what measure. Several of those countries would be starving without foreign aid provided by western countries

>>2297432
>Poor iFricans work as early as childhood.
>White teens barely do.

>>2297412
Most African leaders made bad choices, there are many ethnic and religious divides (Nigeria), and some countries like Zimbabwe cannot keep control of their finances. Incessant wars and dependence on foreign aid has something to do with it as well.

>>2297412
The better question is: if it isn't culture or genetics, why the fuck did some british bucktoothed chinfucked chavs manage to turn a literal undeveloped island into a nation relative to western euro nations when it comes to economy, security, crime rates, while africa which is basicly just a giant cashcow of raw materials and minerals, which was also built up with western infrastructure by the colonies, and then the entire african continents gdp is half of the gdp of germany

Political chaos and the collapse of commodity prices of the 1980s and 1990s.

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hmm I don't know

>>2297783
>can't even read the source

>>2297783
>Africa thread
>someone posts IQ memes
Everytime

>>2297412
Use of western crops which allowed their population to grow massively but are also prone to failure in africa

>>2297806
>western crops

What? Various crops were introduced from Asia and the New World but nonetheless do you mean like back in the colonial days or now because both are due to different reasons.

>>2297792
What are you fuckin' blind

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>>2297795
not an argument

>>2297412
I blame communist and to a lesser extent American interference as the primary reason why Africa sucks. Too many African dictators who were supported by the USSR.

>>2297412
>implement government
>"AYO WHITEY GTFO MUHFUGGA AYO"
>white people leave
>African "intellectuals" come in
>they don't know what they are doing
>those who do know what they're doing get overthrown by a butthurt warlord
>everything goes to shit

>>2297412
Problem is that the colonial boarders are still in place today. Too many ethnic groups in one country and you get insurrections every other day and no one can build infrastructure.

>>2297462
this. Foreign aid is actually to blame for many of their problems today. Back in the day a black mom had 12 kids but 9 of them would die before adulthood due to disease and malnutrition/starvation. Today all 12 of those kids will live because of foreign aid then have 12 kids of their own. They're stuck in a cycle and every time we try to make the situation better we're actually making it worse. Sadly the only way this will end is with a lot of death

TL;DR A genocide would actually HELP Africa in the long run

>>2297917
You can very easily blame Western interference in general. At first, it was wildly exploitative colonialism suckling up all the resources without investing nearly as many into providing infrastructure or education. When colonialism failed, we made the Africans into economic vassal states by strategically aiding and supporting groups and governments, but only if they would sell their resources to us for pennies.

They were told to enact ruinous policies by economic advisors.

Leaders who preferred lining their own pocket were supported by the west or the east. Leaders who supported independence were killed.

This isn't actually complicated.

African populations would be relatively small if Islam and Christianity didn't invade them for the last 800 years.

African history is a battle between Christians and Muslims. This initially didn't create the rampant overpopulation, what really caused overpopulation was War and Oil.

War and Oil are the major factors for rampant overpopulation in Africa, and the endless conflicts for control of Oil.

>>2297904
Neither is yours.

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>>2297934
wut? It already is ending. African standards of living and income per person rates have been improving for around a decade now. You are right that aid doesn't help though, only investment can help, aid is worthless.

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>>2298086
half of the sub-saharan population is less than 18 years old. The growth per capita is obviously not stable relative to their lack of capital and this can end in either 3 ways

>genocide
or
>Soros, Rothschild and all the evil jew faggots put their money where their mouth is and start making insane monetary investments in the region
.....But that won't happen so the most probable solution is.....
>Refugees welcome!!!

>>2298031
what did he mean by this?

>>2298111
War and Creation, Peace and Stagnation.

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>>2298107
>Soros, Rothschild and all the evil jew faggots put their money where their mouth is and start making insane monetary investments in the region
China is already doing this, which is why Africa's economy is growing. Africa's biggest problem is a lack of infrastructure which is easily fixable with investment. Obviously, China is only doing this to make money, but the end result has been positive so far.

>>2297447
South African murder and rape rates have been steadily rising (outpacing population growth of course) since apartheid ended. Zimbabwe is a shithole now too. Black people just don't have the patience needed to build a nation.

>>2298134
Kek. The 'emotionless' chinks try to revitalize Africa while Soros is too busy donating hundreds of millions to protesters, ACLU, and the Human Rights Watch

>>2297943
but also it's the most resource rich continent and the people there are perfectly suited to their environment. It had domesticatable animals and arable land but the black Africans just never took advantage of any of it for some reason. Europeans needed to take it because they were in contest with each other, and it's not like the Africans were using it.

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>>2298153
It's laughable how liberals attempts to paint investments in infrastructure as "neo-colonialism" while trumpeting ineffective, paternalistic foreign aid.

Based National Interest got it right:
>The answer to this question lies with how China has essentially treated Africa not as a continent in need of saving or lecturing, but as partners in a long-term business deal. Exhibiting no self-appointed missionary zeal, China has approached African states with an amoral and persuasive message based on mutual benefit.

In this way, China treats Africa with far more dignity than Western governments and NGOs, who view the Africans as hopeless children who need guidance. Instead, China strikes business deals that exchange loans, infrastructure aid and goods in exchange for African commodities, political support and access into its vast and emerging markets while leaving Africans alone in finding solutions to their problems.

The fact that Western media sources consistently condemn China’s no-strings-attached attitude towards dealing with African regimes as proof that this is a disservice to Africa’s peoples actually demonstrates a certain lack of understanding that the West has of the worldview of many Africans.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-china-knows-about-africa-the-west-doesnt-16295?page=2

>>2298187
Fuck I screwed up the greentexting

>>2298187
i really abhor how people treat African peoples like helplesss children. the continent's been fucked up quite a bit in the past but this endless subsidization that the West has going on is ridiculous.

>>2297412
>Why did Africa in general got worse

get worse

or

>>2297412
>Why did Africa in general got worse after colonialism?

Why Africa got worse in general after colonialism?

>>2298196
It really does them no favors either. I suppose I support medical aid to keep diseases like AIDs under control, but the endless dumping of crap into the continent does it no good.

Honestly, I'm not yet decided on whether or not Africa is capable of sustaining a functional civilization (the continent has so many fundamental problems); however, I am certain that even if it is possible, the liberal west's approach will never get Africa there.

>>2298196
Should we just leave them? But them whites will be evil for not helping them with food a-and free stuff! What would the UN say about this!

>>2298223
>>2298222
>>2298196
It's because the chinese are not burdened by the knowledge that their past consisted of fucking over black people and thus having all their actions judged in that context

>>2298228
Based Chinks

>>2298134
Who's this alphamale doing the cia pose?

>>2298236
Some blue-collar farmer living in Mozambique

>>2298086
Aid isn't useless you fucking idiot. Despite its issues it has helped nation's far more then hindered.

>>2298134
Nigga Chinese investment is small and HEAVILY overblown by the media. It's not even notable in the continent and hell several African nations have other African nations that invest in them more then China.no one pays attention to the infrastructure not made by Chinese recently.

It's pointless to discuss about this topic when this basic fact is unknown to most people

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the cold war

>>2298736
And the fat boy is Chinese, like actually from China, look it up.

>>2297412
Its full of niggers.

>>2298686
>Chinese investment is small
Source? Chinese investment is significant enough that African people surveyed are beginning to prefer the Chinese model of development over the American model. China invests more in the continent than any other country afaik

>>2297412
Because large portions of it got infected with Communism immediately after.

>>2297473
Not to mention the rise of dictators and cult-like atmosphere they foster among their supporters.

>>2298912
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyphotilapia_frontosa
neat

>>2297412
Because means to kill each other were introduced, and old societal structure and hierarchy was destroyed, but not replaced with anything.

Had the colonial empires slowly withdrew, over a few generations, gradually giving the colonies autonomy, Africa would be doing fine.

>>2297412
Nowhere gets better after colonialism.

You're fucking stupid.

>>2299161
Hong Kong? Singapore? The United States of America?

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>>2299168
Speak for yourself.

Hong Kong and Singapore are city states which cannot be compared to nations. How much did Malaysia and China suffer for those city states to gain wealth still concentrated by "elites" ...HSBC was founded by Sir Thomas Sutherland, opium trader. The white man loves to justify his intrusion on others because he writes the history books. I'm far from someone who hates success or an SJW sympathizer. I'm the most intelligent man on this board.

T. Known Boss

Africa is in average better off now than under colonialism. Here's why it was hard.

Shit made up borders separating tribes and forcing enemies together.
Nation, state and representative democracy completely worn concepts to most natives.
Beauracratic impartiality completely foreign concept

>>2299177
>Hong Kong and Singapore are city states
Not an argument, the people in Singapore and Hong Kong knew how to take care of themselves

>>2299177
WE WUZ

not enough water

>>2299177
>still concentrated by "elites"
The amount of wealth generated by new technology dwarfs anything that was "stolen". How could tiny Hong Kong armwrestle Mao's China into giving them free stuff during their rapid postwar growth period?

>>2297412
It's almost like post colonial nations that didn't genocide their natives tend to be unsuccessful wow

>>2297432
>>>/pol/

>>2297412
Self determination is a meme. The truth is the native africans as a whole didn't rule themselves any more after colonization than they did during it. In either case there was/is a marked differentiation between those that rule and those that follow. The decolonization of africa mainly favoted the former group and not the latter, exactly the same way as it did during colonization. Gradual federalization into more competent governments would have been better.

>>2299161
Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya, Botswana, basically all of latin america regardless of what they think.

>>2298187

Progressive politics is just implied white supremacy repackaged by college feminists to have a more patronizing tone. White man's burden turned into white women's burden.

Early in the post-colonial era, all of the African nations got together and decided to recognize each other's borders as fully legitimate and not disputable, in order to prevent armed conflict between the emerging states. For the most part, this agreement was successful.
However, with no external threats, these new states had difficulty at building legitimacy relative to any of the traditional polities (tribes and kingdoms and such) which the colonial nations had empowered throughout their rule (easier and cheaper to force cooperation out of existing polities than create an entirely new one which would be fully viewed as foreign). The result of this is civil war.

Couple this with the fact that the infrastructure established by Europeans was built to funnel resources from native polities to colonial centers of power. For example, look at Zaire, its shaped like a fucking funnel with the spout at an awkward port city. This creates a situation where whichever native polity can seize control of the colonial economic center effectively seizes control of the state, without directly suppressing other polities. These other polities in turn will maintain their autonomy and attempt to seize the colonial economic center. In all of this process, no attempts are made to develop a more natural and integrated economy for the state - just the enriching of the native polity who won the last civil war.

tl;dr For Africa to develop stable states like Europe did, they need to start shooting at other states instead of other factions

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The abitrary creation of national borders, the divisions between cultural groups and colonial powers leaving very very quickly without slowly creating independence as they did in places like Egypt, India and Hong Kong.

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>>2299497
Except it is an argument you fucking clown. It's a lot easier to "take care" of yourself when you have 10 times the amount of wealth as the other guy. They gained that wealth through the exploitation of the surrounding nation state.

>>2299500
00/10

Suck a dick, faggot

It was an awesome life compared to be a syphilitic weakling like your ancestors shit out of your grand mommy's womb is some European hellhole.

>>2299591
This is an actual counterargument so you deserve a respectful response.

That wealth as previously stated is concentrated within the hands of a small group at the expense of many. Cest la vie. Hong Kong was connected to and still has connections to Britain and can leverage themselves accordingly to their own benefit as opposed to a city such as Guangzhou trying to oppose the party line.

>>2299615
Better for who?

Not for the indigenous people of the British Commonwealth, that's for sure. If you think it's "better" for people in Latin America, I invite you to take a trip to Honduras. Still a beautiful place to live. Can't appreciate that quite the same as the castizo when you're working the fields for 11 hours a day or Ochoa is beheading people near you. East Africa is its own monster but the place is right fucked almost anywhere.

>>2297447
t. John m'tembadonk

>>2300169
>Can't appreciate that quite the same as the castizo when you're working the fields for 11 hours a day
Or having to take part in constant flower wars to get sacrifices for your blood thirsty gods

>>2297499
Intermingling of aboriginal and human dna triggered the birth of a race of overmen known as the australian. The desert makes hard men..

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>>2300184
I'm sure the eagle warriors enjoyed it.
Their victims, not so much.

The Jesuit Spaniards were bloodthirsty indeed, Inshallah.

>>2297432
Please just go to /pol/ and never come back

>>2301310
Haha faggot you know it's true.

Well I'll speak for Madagascar.

The first president forced the big French owned farms to be given back to peasants like during the Merina kingdom. He didn't think that they'd become less productive it seems but luckily rice cultivation skills have become accessible and boasted fertility dramatically for the poor farmer who can't afford large amounts of foreign inputs.

Secondly the French having gotten their asses whooped (or rather French and Senegalese) or at least left ineffectual in the arid South destroyed vast communal "estates" of managed and cultivated prickly pear cactus landscapes.

It provides a boon for herders, provided tricky terrain to fight herders and boosted populations dramatically. A Frenchmen brought a different species with a parasite that makes a red dye (some say intentionally) that wrecked havoc to the mass opuntia landscapes causing wide sprees famine.

Back in December that region was rated as a famine disaster again. The old opuntia stricta never really came back and to this day the people suffer.

This is also a region of heavy mining by foreign nations but the Merina in the central highlands don't care.

Sad man.

>>2298912
>Kenya
kek
only one tribe has a lot of the runners, they're the Kalenjins, and the national running team is about 50% Kalenjin.

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>>2297904
Here's an argument

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>>2297904
>>2302896
short ver.

Holy shit this board is so civilized compared to /pol/

Why is that board the only one where we're allowed to discuss current events again?

>>2302912
its a containment board for /r/eddit, just as /b/ is a containment board for normies and tumblr

Most of africa hasn't reallydeveloped nation, they're mostly stuck at the tribal stage

>>2302912
This board is good because it doesn't discuss current events.

If we did, it would be just as shit as /pol/.

>>2298139
>Naming two countries out of 54

>>2302918
>B-but /pol/ isn't the containment board! It's the other way around!

>>2298139
>between 1994 and 2009, the murder rate [in South Africa] halved from 67 to 34 murders per 100,000 people. Between 2011 and 2015, it stabilised to around 32 homicides per 100,000 people
Yeah, really steadily rising

>>2302927
sauce pls

>"We have long been told a compelling story about the relationship between rich countries and poor countries. The story holds that the rich nations of the OECD give generously of their wealth to the poorer nations of the global south, to help them eradicate poverty and push them up the development ladder. Yes, during colonialism western powers may have enriched themselves by extracting resources and slave labour from their colonies – but that’s all in the past. These days, they give more than $125bn (£102bn) in aid each year – solid evidence of their benevolent goodwill.

>This story is so widely propagated by the aid industry and the governments of the rich world that we have come to take it for granted. But it may not be as simple as it appears.

>The US-based Global Financial Integrity (GFI) and the Centre for Applied Research at the Norwegian School of Economics recently published some fascinating data.

>What they discovered is that the flow of money from rich countries to poor countries pales in comparison to the flow that runs in the other direction.

>In 2012, the last year of recorded data, developing countries received a total of $1.3tn, including all aid, investment, and income from abroad. But that same year some $3.3tn flowed out of them. In other words, developing countries sent $2tn more to the rest of the world than they received."

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries

>Colonial period
>West exploits, and humiliates Africa
>Africans get annoyed
>Africans get independence
>West says "sorry we fucked your land up, here's some aid money"
>oh cool
>"but yeah, you're gonna need to open your markets up to our trade"
>wait what
>"Yeah don't worry..if you do that,one day you'll be like us"
>really?
>"yeah whatever, sign here"

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>>2297462
>By what measure.

By any.

>>2297432
came here to post this. First post is again the best post.

>>2297462
>By what measure
Literacy, political freedom, poverty, malnutrition rate, GDP per capita, higher education. FFS, Africa has midrange economies and economies catching up to European levels.

>>2297412
Piss poor handling of borders and decolonization. Also in some cases the cold war fucked them over.

>>2297795
>want to have a discussion of decolonization
>/pol/ always ruins it

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>>2297795
>>2302896
>>2302902
>some scientists, who are likely political in their motivations, think the studies into IQ and race aren't accurate

Nice meme

Explain to me why black people generally act far more aggressively than white people? Explain to me why their civilisations are NOWHERE NEAR as advanced as white ones (or Asian ones, which are also very advanced)?

Do you SERIOUSLY believe there is no *general* IQ difference between blacks and whites?

I would absolutely concede that INDIVIDUAL blacks can be intelligent. This is not the claim that is being made though.

Blacks and whites and Asians are distinct gene pools, aren't they? That's why we look differently. Since we have clear physiological differences - height, hair type, skin colour, facial structure, etc. - how can you be so certain that intelligence (or BEHAVIOUR at the least; which will influence how one scores on an IQ test) is not another one of these differences?

Please make a coherent and logical argument with reasons. Thanks.

"That's racist" does not, of course, constitute an argument. Whether a fact is "racist" or not bears no relevance on whether it is TRUE or not.

>>2305220
*why we look different

>>2298015
Funny how nobody ever replies to posts like this. They always shitpost about "muh IQ" or "muh lazy Africans" or "muh dindus ruined da colonies".

>>2298015
>>2305264

Explain why Africa has always been less developed for hundreds and hundreds of years, long before colonialism?

Explain why Africans are *in general* much more aggressive than white and Asian people?

>>2305281
Civilization as we know it is not a linear thing. African tribes not "evolving" can be explained in one of three ways: they perfectly fine with their current means, their conditions were far too awful to develop a big enough safety net to create large groups of people, or they were too far away from other civilizations to learn how to do it from them.

Or maybe it's just because all Africans are genetically inferior to der Ubermensch, which is why it should be totally okay to wipe them out and strip-mine their continent. Civilization is a game, after all.

>>2305054

>cold war

Yeah this tends to get forgotten but the reason they're "3rd world" is they were unaligned (officially) with either the US (1st World) or the USSR(2nd World). So they were caught in a tug of war between two giant assholes for decades.

>>2297432
/thread

>>2305298
>Civilization as we know it is not a linear thing. African tribes not "evolving" can be explained in one of three ways: they perfectly fine with their current means, their conditions were far too awful to develop a big enough safety net to create large groups of people, or they were too far away from other civilizations to learn how to do it from them.

All of them are fair reasons. None of them rule out the possibility that Africans also have lower IQs as a result of these things, do they?

>Civilization is a game, after all.

Yes, it is. Are you genuinely stupid? Are you not aware of a man named Charles Darwin at all?

>>2305220
Mansa Musa was shitting gold when Europe was in its dark ages, try again.

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>>2305409
>It is said that Mansa Musa had conquered 24 cities, each with surrounding districts containing villages and estates, during his reign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_I_of_Mali

So black people are allowed to be conquerors but white people aren't?

Wow. That really gets the synapses firing.

>>2305441
no one said that

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>>2305441
>conquer 24 mudhut villages
>leftards desperate to invent a black history call it an empire centuries later

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>>2305483
Leftards:
>black history is great, look at this guy who conquered and subjugated his fellow black people!
>white history is EVIL! you can't just colonise people! you can't just win wars! how immoral!

Lol

I wish people like you were exterminated from the face of the planet pham

>>2305538
>Putting words in peoples mouths

>>2305561

In which case I will ask you a simple question:

Why is it okay to worship this "Mansa Musa" fellow who conquered 24 cities, yet not worship white people who conquered Africa?

>da whities are meanies

Then why are black colonisers not meanies? Why this double standard?

It didn't. Standard of living, life expectancy, and education are substantially better today.

>>70658063
>>70658274

this is why

>>2305581
It isn't ok to worship either,you assume that acknowledging African history is the same as ball washing. The double standard is imagined at least in this instance, you got assmad for no reason

>>2305600
They actually have access to global markets to cite one thing.

>>2305220
>Asian ones, which are also very advanced)?

Lol only Japan and Sk and the Chinese city states. Rest of Asia is a total undeveloped bog.

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>>2305647
No it's not imagined. Here's an example to show that it isn't.

>>2305672
China has historically been pretty developed, invented paper, gunpowder, things like that. They have certainly been much more advanced than Africa, historically.

>>2305613
>>>/int/70657676

>>2305696
I said it was imagined in this instance, you were talking to me and the other anon not whoever wrote that article. Unless just you assume anyone who disagrees with you is an sjw.

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>>2305729
I'm making educated guesses about your position because I already know what bullshit you're going to spew because yes, you're clearly an SJW

>>2305220
Same difference can be found between white Americans and Europeans, yet you'll have hard time explaining it as white Americans being all mudblood while only white Europeans are white.

>>2305750
>le sjw boogeyman

>>2305750
>anon strawmans someone else
>gets called out on it
>strawmans again
>gets called out on it again
>Anon then asks a question
>gets an answer and gets told he is an buttblasted baby
>Then anon tries to excuse his strawmanning by saying someone else somewhere believes this so I'm right
>gets told that he's full of shit
>proceeds to make an ass of himself
btw I voted Trump and you are and idiot

>>2300129
India became independent before british Africa

>>2299131
>Had the colonial empires slowly withdrew, over a few generations, gradually giving the colonies autonomy, Africa would be doing fine.

Lol no that's a joke and I'll explain why later on once I'm home.

>>2305696
China fell behind pretty badly later on while Japan progressed.

>>2305784
Which difference? Difference in IQ, or in aggressive behaviour?

I'm pretty sure the difference is much more negligible. White Americans have very similar behaviour, and culture, and I would guess they score very similarly on IQ tests, to Europeans. Since of course they are only very recently descended from Europeans.

>>2305788
Not an argument.

>>2305854
Please provide reasons why I'm wrong on anything I've said and I'll tell you why you're wrong. Ya fuckin idiot.

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>>2305959
yes a difference in IQ

whites tend to have greater amounts it


>but he ain't white, he jewish


ashkenazi jews are like half european..they tend to have alot of white blood in them

There has never been a black man as intelligent as someone like Isaac Newton or Einstein

>>2305409
>le dark ages meme


even with Mansa Musa's "wealth"..Europe was still far ahead of Black Africa around the time of the middle ages

>>2305959
>Right or wrong
you are a retard, you strawman someone, I call you out for it ,your autism flares up. Then you pretend like your constant strawmanning was somehow an argument.

>>2306002
There's never been a white/yellow or brown man either. What's your point?

>>2306041
that blacks are intellectually inferior

>>2305897

India was much more developed, in all senses, than any African colony was. The British policy after WW2 was to just rant independence to anyone who wanted it, which meant we avoided many of the colonial wars that bled France and America but also doomed the new African nations to a long period of poverty that could have been alleviated with a few more decades of colonial rule.

>>2306041
this
even if the next Einstein was born somewhere its more likely that they would die unaware of what they could have become

>>2305993
So you're saying there's a big IQ gap between white Americans and white Europeans?

Who's higher? I would have thought they're pretty similar.

>>2306014
>you strawman someone
Where, specifically?

>>2306090
here>>2305409
as I said, no one said anything pertaining to blacks being allowed to conquer but whites cannot. you made that up, your reasons for doing so I could care less

>>2305918
>>2306063

>Had the colonial empires slowly withdrew, over a few generations

First point of contention is summing that Euros have money to spend "uplifting" areas. You know why Brits invested In HK and Singapore? It's because they needed those ports to be developed as fuck and in HK's case needed to develop the indigenous people to be able to run and work in such a place and in Singapore mass imported Chinese and neglected the Malays. Africa's case? No point in developing it past resource exploitation and the bare minimum because going past that is not worth the effort and waste of money on top of it leading to agitation of the developing colony peasants.

Second why would you waste time developing places THAT WOULD COMPETE AGAINST YOU in the global economy.

>that could have been alleviated with a few more decades of colonial rule.

Doing what? the European powers have 50+ years and even centuries to do their stuff and very little came out of it Like how much years is enough to keep control until they are ready? That is a complete meme because the power can shift the standards of what "ready" is to their whim,and set up scenarios to either prolong it or REALLY fuck up the nation and benefit themselves when the deadline has passed.
Belgium had DRC for 50+ years on only a a couple dozen uni graduates and 500 priests.

>>2306129
It's pure naivete to think and Euro power would agree to a situation like that. Why would a euro power deliberately waste/draining money and stuff developing it's colonies instead of developing an strengthening the metropolis since you'll end up lowering your standard of living to uplift the standards of some people your citizens will never see? What's the point?

>>2306147
To make new markets to sell products produced in the home country.

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>>2306115
>I could care less
So you care quite a lot?

But yes you're right, I did change the subject there a bit. He was making a point to support his claim that Africa was advanced. And I diverted the discussion to make an unrelated point.

So I guess I should defend my claim about Africans being less advanced, and perhaps having lower IQs as a group.

Okay, the Enlightenment. The Scientific Revolution. The Industrial Revolution. These achievements of rationalism and human intelligence came out of Europe. White countries. Black people, in recent centuries, have not made such intellectual advances.

Maybe there was a time, hundreds/thousands of years ago, when the state of advancement in Africa was similar to that in Europe. But in recent centuries, Europe has quite clearly pulled ahead, hasn't it? And I think it not unreasonable to make a guess that our IQs are generally higher than those of Africans, given the fact that we made these intellectual achievements, and they didn't.

>>2306167
They could trade with other African colonies and other people asides from the their colonial power. If the whole developing colonies were a thing they'd be forced to let colonies conduct their own trading either due to sheer hypothetical benevolence like I am saying or a third party reinforcing them aka American/Soviets holding their arms behind their back and forcing them to let other nations to trade with the colony directly.

Also globalization later on so once those Europe powers companies go "wait we can make all our shit down south for much less money and much less costs to transport" so you'd lose jobs a well. Like when your English markets are bigger in Africa and America

>>2306190
>White countries

Fuck you those places never identified themselves as a "white". Always some thing like Eyetalian or French things and feats. Not one Euro has ever said "this discovery/invention is a feat an white man from our white country".

>>2306202
That's because white is an American concept, applied to people of European descent. This is because Americans are descended from all sorts of European ethnicities.

That's a completely irrelevant point though.

If you don't like the word white, then pretend I said "European" in any place I said "white".

And all my points still stand.

>>2306202
That's because the world used to be smaller and when in ye olde times Europeans fought each other and rest of the world was irrelevant, now the picture is bigger and suddenly Europe itself seems like a small community next to the rest of the world.

>>2305672
Your average /his/torian.

What an embarassing board

>>2297432
this
>>2297447
>t. starving nigger

>>2297795
>There are still idiots that dont realize low IQ scores are legit.

IQ test were made to find tards

FIND TARDS
FIND TARDS
FIND TARDS

Not scale intelligence.

>>2306532
>someone with 120 IQ is the same as someone with 100
>140+ is the same as 120
There's a huge difference and I'm usually able to approximate someones IQ just by conversing with/observing them.

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>>2305409
>Mansa Musa was shitting gold when Europe was in its dark ages, try again.

The Arabs are sitting on Oil today, do we consider them the richest civilization, or the wealthiest people?

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>>2305220
I'm tired of adressing the same retarded points in every thread, so two words will do: flynn effect.

>>2303486
https://africacheck.org/reports/is-sa-worse-off-now-than-19-years-ago-the-facts-behind-that-facebook-post/
https://web.archive.org/web/20120402030544/http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2011/categories/murder.pdf

>>2298134
Dr.Bingo Bango Bongo, I'm CCP

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>>2306606
>do we consider them the wealthiest people
Yes. Yes we do.
Same goes for the Norwegians who don't have a great history record.

>>2298187
This, Liberals view Africa as some type of apocalyptic alien world inhabited by children, they have completely forgotten the difference in giving a man a fish and teaching a man to fish. Thank god China isn't fully autistic yet, there still might be hope for the continent.

If you want to see a positive side of Africa. Watch Long way down with Ewan Mcgregor. It's great

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Watch this and tell me sub Saharan are able to create first world living standards by themselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M

>>2298086
That parasitic idea is what's making us rot. Investment is never necessary, you may spend it wisely and be able to pay it back but it's still not as profitable as doing it with your own currency free of interest.
This applies specially to african countries. These leaders are so corrupt they can't be trusted with a single borrowed cent. China is funding them in exchange for rights to exploit their land, which is the only resources they have, since these fucking monkeys obviously aren't gifted with slightly capable leadetship. They can't even feed their people while standing in a gold pot. By the time some nigger has the brains to realize what Africa has done it'll be too late.

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>>2307152
>That parasitic idea is what's making us rot. Investment is never necessary, you may spend it wisely and be able to pay it back but it's still not as profitable as doing it with your own currency free of interest.
Not trying to be rude, but you seem to have a very naive understanding of what foreign investment does and why countries allow it. What you claimed is no different than asserting that small businesses should use their own money rather than seek investors.

African countries promote foreign investment because they can't afford to fund the projects themselves.

>These leaders are so corrupt they can't be trusted with a single borrowed cent.
Exactly which is why investors secure contracts and build the infrastructure themselves.
>By the time some nigger has the brains to realize what Africa has done it'll be too late.
Realize what? That for the first time in 50 years Africa is actually steadily developing and standards of living are rising?

Africa may still be a poor continent but things are improving quite a bit. The continent was far worse off just 20 years ago. People who don't know very much about the Africa are pessimistic, but this pessimistic attitude doesn't reflect trends in actual data.

>>2306805

wtf i love china now

>>2306703
Top kek

>>2297447
Unil Obama's freedom bombs, Libya was wealthiest African nation

>>2307417
I don't understand how your table works, when you look at the evolution of each African country's HDI individually, the average is clearly not from 0.012 to 0.027 points. Am I missing something here?

>>2305581
Meh
I worship Gengis Khan who achieved more in his scale than anybody else.

>>2306692
Not that guy but
"Recent crime statistics, however, show a reversal in the downward trend with worrying increases in the numbers of murders and other violent crimes in the 2012/2013 financial year."

>>2308593
Probably an increase of one point or so, because it was still 33/100000 in 2014

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>>2304144
>the world is becoming a better place daily.

If you're still there OP and not a troll, Africa was a mess even before colonialism due to the destabilization of local governments via the slave trade. Expanding upon this, while the Arab slave trade as well as local African slavery existed at the time, the Trans Atlantic slave trade established a system in which the demand for slaves was set so high as to be nearly impossible to meet via enslaving criminals alone (which is what the majority of African slaves were). In order to meet the demand, African states like Dahomey and the Ashanti escalated slave raids against their neighbors using European firearms that were, unsurprisingly, bought in exchange for slaves. This created an arms race in which the tribe or kingdom with the most guns was able to both defend against, and commit to more slave raids against their rivals, putting West Africa in a state of near perpetual conflict over the next couple of centuries. While this indeed made a couple Africans massively wealthy, the depopulation that occurred, coupled with the devastation wrought upon by war and an eventual famine, the coastal West African states were essentially devastated beyond repair, as lack of trust between once allied tribes continues to this day to prevent any sort of unity wiithin African nations.

By worse,did you mean "returning back to its default shittiness?"

>>2297904
Not an argument.

>>2298736
Why not include a picture of a starving Haitian then?

>>2302896
You forgot the fact that less than half of the countries he should have listed actually had IQ data given.

>>2305220
>Explain to me why black people generally act far more aggressively than white people? Explain to me why their civilisations are NOWHERE NEAR as advanced as white ones (or Asian ones, which are also very advanced)?
>proofchicken.jpg

>>2305281
>Explain why Africa has always been less developed for hundreds and hundreds of years, long before colonialism?
It hasn't. At least not if you compare it to all parts of the world. Much of Africa was roughly in the Middle Ages by the colonial era.
>Explain why Africans are *in general* much more aggressive than white and Asian people?
I have yet to see any evidence of this.

>>2309226
I bet he makes a special differentiation between crime types and favours one over the other as being a sign if being better.

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>its another /pol/ invades a thread and tries to change the topic to muh jews thread

>>2306681
>implying the flynn effect deals with IQ dispersion over area as well as time
In addition, the very first point made in your screen cap is wrong. There are five, not two, facets to define civilization.

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>got worse

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>worse

>>2298196
>come to continent full of backwards niggers who haven't developed technology beyond the wheel and literally shit in holes
>wow why do they treat Africans like children?

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>things got worse

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>worse after colonialization

>>2298912
Anybody else think that the African continent looks like a black man's head?

>>2310420

looks comfy desu

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>>2310670

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>>2311360
>tfw you don't have an old woman to commute to work