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Orpheus Ὀρφεύς

Legendary Musician, Poet, and Prophet

Founder and prophet of the "Orphic" mysteries

Onomaklyton Orphēn

Father was the god Apollo, mother was the muse Calliope

Birthplace and place of residence was in Pimpleia, Olympus

Living with his mother and her eight beautiful sisters in Parnassus, he met Apollo, who was courting the laughing muse Thalia. Apollo, as the god of music, gave Orpheus a golden lyre and taught him to play it. Orpheus' mother taught him to make verses for singing

He is said to have studied in Egypt

Major stories about him are centered on his ability to charm all living things and even stones

Credited with the composition of the Orphic Hymns, a collection of which only two have survived. Shrines containing purported relics of Orpheus were regarded as oracles

Greeks of the Classical age venerated Orpheus as the greatest of all poets and musicians; it was said that while Hermes had invented the lyre, Orpheus had perfected it

Orpheus was one of the handful of Greek heroes to visit the Underworld and return; his music and song even had power over Hades

The Orphics were an ascetic sect; wine, to them, was only a symbol. The intoxication that they sought was that of "enthusiasm," of union. They believed themselves, in this way, to acquire mystic knowledge not obtainable by ordinary means

This mystical element entered into Greek philosophy with Pythagoras, who was a reformer of Orphism as Orpheus was a reformer of the religion of Dionysus. From Pythagoras Orphic elements entered into the philosophy of Plato, and from Plato into most later philosophy that was in any degree religious

Orpheus is said to have established the worship of Hecate in Aegina. In Laconia Orpheus is said to have brought the worship of Demeter Chthonia and that of the Kores Sōteiras (Greek,Κόρες Σωτείρας) savior maid. In Taygetus a wooden image of Orpheus was said to have been kept by Pelasgians in the sanctuary of the Eleusinian Demeter

Wasn't Hermes Trismegistus given power by Dionysos

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Hermes Ἑρμῆς

A god of transitions and boundaries

Friendliest to Human

A son of Zeus and the Pleiad Maia, the second youngest of the Olympian god

He is described as quick and cunning, moving freely between the worlds of the mortal and divine. He is also portrayed as an emissary and messenger of the gods; an intercessor between mortals and the divine, and conductor of souls

His main symbol is the Greek kerykeion or Latin caduceus

He wears the gifts from his father, the Petasus and Talaria

In the sanctuary of Hermes Promakhos in Tanagra is a strawberry tree under which it was believed he had created

Symbols of Hermes were the palm tree, turtle, rooster, goat, the number four, several kinds of fish, incense

A deity with shamanic attributes linked to divination, reconciliation, magic, and initiation and contact with other planes of existence, a role of mediator between the worlds of the visible and invisible

A communication between Petosiris (a priest) to King Nechopso, probably written in Alexandria c. 150 BC, states Hermes is the teacher of all secret wisdoms available to knowing by the experience of religious ecstasy

Zeus sent Hermes as a teacher to humanity to teach them knowledge

Aeschylus wrote he was the god of searches, and those who seek things lost or stolen

The Hymn to Hermes[20] invokes him as the one of many shifts (polytropos), who was soon to show forth wonderful deeds among the deathless gods

One of the Orphic Hymns Khthonios is dedicated to Hermes, indicating that he was also a god of the underworld

For Carl Jung Hermes's role as messenger between realms and as guide to the underworld, made him the god of the unconscious, the mediator between the conscious and unconscious parts of the mind, and the guide for inner journeys

Oneiropompus conductor of dreams

Hermes is seen as relevant to study of the phenomenon of synchronicity

He is identified by some with the archetype of healer, as the ancient Greeks ascribed healing magic to him

>>2294382
>Despite his divinity, Dionysus lived among humans “not as a god but in disguise as a man” (Classical Mythology 8th Edition, 294); and was somehow closer to humanity than any other deity. Stories of his life on earth, notably The Bacchae by Euripides, (which premiered at the Theatre of Dionysus in 405 BCE), make it clear that Dionysus’ true power is only recognized by his closest followers. Importantly, Dionysus freely allows himself to be captured and persecuted, before finally revealing himself in his glory

Where have I heard this before?

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>>2294382
>Eleutherios

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Dionysos & Thrace

Some scholars believe that Dionysus may be a syncretism of a local Greek nature deity and a god from Thrace or Phrygia such as Sabazios or Zalmoxis

Orpheus & Thrace

Some ancient Greek sources note Orpheus' Thracian origins.

Pindar calls Orpheus "the father of songs" and identifies him as a son of the Thracian king Oeagrus

>>2295358

Christianity is shockingly similar to Orphism, not just in matters of doctrine but in simple things like the eukarist (Bacchus is the god in the wine, just like Jesus). Really the Jewish veneer is very thin in places, Christianity is almost entirely like a Greek Mystery cult and not much at all like Judaism.

>>2295583
The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.

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Orphism Ὀρφιkά

Originating in the Ancient Greek and Hellenistic world, as well as by the Thracians, ascribed to the mythical poet Orpheus

Orphics also revered Persephone (who annually descended into the Underworld for a season and then returned) and Dionysus Orpheus was said to have invented the Mysteries of Dionysus

Plato, refers to "Orpheus-initiators" (Ὀρφεοτελεσταί), and associated rites

As in the Eleusinian mysteries, initiation into Orphic mysteries promised advantages in the afterlife:

characterizing human souls as divine
prescribing an ascetic way of life which, together with secret initiation rites, was supposed to guarantee communion with god(s)
founded upon sacred writings about the origin of gods and human beings

Orphic views and practices have parallels to elements of Pythagoreanism

The Orphic theogonies are genealogical works similar to the Theogony of Hesiod, but the details are different, possibly influenced by Near Eastern models

Dionysus (in his incarnation as Zagreus) is the son of Zeus and Persephone; Zeus gives his inheritance of the throne to the child, Dionysus is then tricked with a mirror and children's toys by the Titans.IIt is said that he was mocked by the Titans who gave him a thyrsus (a fennel stalk) in place of his rightful sceptre

Athena saves the heart and tells Zeus of the crime who in turn hurls a thunderbolt on the Titans. The resulting soot,mankind is born, contains the bodies of the Titans and Dionysus. The soul of man (the Dionysus factor) is therefore divine, but the body (the Titan factor) holds the soul in bondage

There are two Orphic stories of the rebirth of Dionysus

Surviving written fragments show a number of beliefs about the afterlife similar to those in the "Orphic" mythology

short and enigmatic inscriptions

"Life. Death. Life. Truth. Dio(nysus). Orphics."

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Athena Ἀθηνᾶ Παλλὰς

Athena is portrayed as an astute companion of heroes and is the patron goddess of heroic endeavour

Athena is known for her calm temperament, as she moves slowly to anger

Mycenae was the city where the Goddess was called Mykene, and Mycenae is named in the plural for the sisterhood of females who tended her there. At Thebes she was called Thebe, and the city again a plural, Thebae (or Thebes, where the ‘s’ is the plural formation). Similarly, at Athens she was called Athena, and the city Athenae or Athens

For Plato her name was to be derived from Greek Ἀθεονόα, Atheonóa—which the later Greeks rationalised as from the deity's (θεός theos) mind (νοῦς nous)

Modern interpreters of Homer may assist in explaining the view of the ancients. For most of these in their explanations of the poet, assert that he meant by Athena "mind" [nous] and "intelligence" [dianoia], and the maker of names appears to have had a singular notion about her; and indeed calls her by a still higher title, "divine intelligence" [θεοῦ νόησις – theou noesis], as though he would say: This is she who has the mind of God (a theonoa – ἁ θεονόα). Perhaps, however, the name Theonoe may mean "she who knows divine things" (ta theia noousa – τὰ θεῖα νοοῦσα) better than others

Divine Athena also was a weaver and the deity of crafts (see dyeus)

Tritogeneia. The meaning of this term is unclear; it could mean various things, including "Triton-born"

Athena is the goddess of knowledge, purity, arts, crafts, learning, justice and wisdom. She represents intelligence, humility, consciousness, cosmic knowledge, creativity, education, enlightenment, the arts, eloquence and power. She stands for Truth, Justice, and Moral values. She plays a tough, clever and independent role.This version of Athena the opposite of Ares in combat

Athena Polias serene earth goddess

>>2295310

When/how did hermes replace iris?

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Apollo Ἀπόλλων

One of the most important and complex of the Olympian deities in classical Greek and Roman religion and Greek and Roman mythology, the ideal of the kouros

Gnōthi Seautón γνῶθι σεαυτόν know thyself

Evolution of Greek art seems to go parallel with the Greek philosophical conceptions, which changed from the natural-philosophy of Thales to the metaphysical theory of Pythagoras

Patron of Delphi (Pythian Apollo), Apollo was an oracular god—the prophetic deity of the Delphic Oracle. Medicine and healing are associated with Apollo, whether through the god himself or mediated through his son Asclepius

Hermes created the lyre for him, & the instrument became a common attribute of Apollo

Apollo's chief epithet was Phoebus Φοῖβος, Phoibos "bright"

Δελφίνιος, Delphinios, literally "Delphic", after Delphi Δελφοί. An etiology in the Homeric Hymns associated this with dolphins

Apollo Virotutis "Benefactor of humanity"

Apollo brought the art of inspection of "symbols and omina" (σημεία kαι τέρατα : semeia kai terata)

Magicians were also called "seer-doctors" (ἰατρομάντεις), and they used an ecstatic prophetic art which was used exactly by the god Apollo at the oracles

Omphalos stones marking the centre were erected in several places about the Mediterranean Sea; the most famous of those was at Delphi. Omphalos is also the name of the stone given to Cronus

Among Olympic deities, Apollo had two cult sites that had widespread influence: Delos and Delphi

Oracular sanctuaries to Apollo were established in other sites

As god of colonization, Apollo gave oracular guidance on colonies, especially during the height of colonization

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Apollo of the Belvedere

Strophium a band symbolic of gods and kings

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Apollo & Artemis
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>>2295583
he Bread/Wine thing is present in the OT. See: Melchizedek. The major points of intersection between Hellenistic paganism and Christianity come not in praxis but in apologetics and certain branches of theology. Neoplatonism a'la Plotinus, Porphyry, Proclus and Pseudo-Denys were the main transmitters of these similarities, not the practitioners of any of the Orphic mysteries.

Thank you for this information.

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Pythagoreanism

Considerably influenced by mathematics and mysticism

There is the inner and outer circle

the mathēmatikoi (μαθηματιkοί, Greek for "Teachers")

the akousmatikoi (ἀkουσματιkοί, Greek for "listeners")

akousmatikoi focused on the more religious and ritualistic aspects

Female Pythagoreans are also some of the first female philosophers from which we have texts. It is debated as to whether or not all of the texts we have were actually written by women, we can see where Pythagoreanism left room for women to practice philosophy

Pythagoreanism has been regarded by some to have had a clear influence on the texts found in the hermetica

Pythagoras of Samos Πυθαγόρας ὁ Σάμιος Pythagóras ho Sámios

Founder of Pythagoreanism

Born on the island of Samos, and travelled, visiting Egypt and Greece, and maybe India

Pythagoras wrote nothing down, and relying on the writings of Parmenides, Empedocles, Philolaus and Plato (people either considered Pythagoreans, or whose works are thought deeply indebted to Pythagoreanism) results in a very diverse picture

Pythagoreans distinguished three kinds of lives Theoretic, Practical and Apolaustic

By musical sounds they healed the passions of the soul enchanting in reality

Pythagoras believed that behind the appearance of things, there was the permanent principle of mathematics, and that the forms were based on a transcendental mathematical relation. The forms on earth, are imperfect imitations (εἰkόνες, eikones, "images") of the celestial world of numbers

Neopythagoreanism a link in the chain between the old and the new

Distinguished not only the asceticism of Pythagoras and the later mysticism of Plato, but also the influence of the Orphic mysteries and of Oriental philosophy. The Ideas of Plato are no longer self-subsistent entities but are the elements which constitute the content of spiritual activity

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Metis Μῆτις

"wisdom," "skill," or "craft" connoted "magical cunning"

Metis was the first great spouse of Zeus

Hesiod's account is followed by Acusilaus and the Orphic tradition, which enthroned Metis side by side with Eros as primal cosmogenic forces. Plato makes Poros, or "creative ingenuity", the child of Metis

Porus was the personification of resourcefulness

Sophia Σοφία "wisdom"

Central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion

Sophia is honored as a goddess of wisdom

Plato, following his teacher, Socrates (and, it is likely, the older tradition of Pythagoras), understands philosophy as φιλοσοφία (philo-sophia, or, literally, a friend of Wisdom)

Athena leaped from Zeus’ head, fully grown and armed, with a shout—"and pealed to the broad sky. Ouranos trembled to hear, and Mother Gaia

Triple-born or third-born may the fact she was born from Metis, Zeus, and herself

Athena Hygieia "healer"

Athena as the goddess of philosophy became an aspect of her cult in Classical Greece

She encouraged everyone to use intuitive wisdom

Glaukopis γλαυkῶπις bright-eyed or with gleaming eyes

Athena has been a solar deity

Athene noctua has been used as a symbol of knowledge, wisdom, perspicacity and erudition

Athenians accepted the olive tree and with it the patronage of Athena, for the olive tree brought wood, oil, and food

In a temple at Phrixa in Elis, which was reportedly built by Clymenus, she was known as Cydonia

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>>2296852
Not him but on the point of the Orphism and Christianity, I've heard the philosophy of Ficino, the Renaissance humanist philosopher, be described as Orphic Christianity. I don't have any familiarity with his work so that's about all I can comment upon. Would love anyone familiar with the guy explain why. I think Boethius also mentions Orpheus in his works, but I don't recall any Church Fathers mentioning the guy.

>>2294382
Reminder that Orpheus's death is Dionysos's fault.

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>>2297046
Wikipedia :^)

Do you mean the Art?

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Evolve Our Destinies

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Sometimes an artist's magnum opus is modeled around the alchemical magnum opus