The Troubles

>>2290899
>in Ulster
You're just begging for shitposters with that one

I've always been a hibernophile so I am admittedly a bit biased. Part of me wants to conclude that the irish nation (due to history) have the more legitimate claim to N.I than the british. I do however consider the good friday agreement the best and most civilized solution available. Then again, I also think that Finland should become a part of Sweden again and reinvade Karelia, so maybe take what I say with a pinch or two of salt.

>>2290910
Well obviously I mean only in the 6 counties, but the Troubles largely only happened in the province of Ulster, albeit only a chunk of it.

>>2290947
I'm English through and through but know a lot of people from Belfast through Uni.

There seems to quite literally be a divide along the lines of "The IRA did nothing wrong", "The IRA were irish-ISIS and need hung" and then "I don't care up the ra lmao"

It always looked like there was needless action taken against civilians, however.

>>2290899
ka t*igs

>>2290910
>>2290899
>Ulster

>>2290899
there were 2 threads on it yesterday, and there've been loads in the past

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>>2290980
>It always looked like there was needles action taken against civilians, however.
>Using child as shields
>looked like

>>2291041
you forgot

>flooded England and changed the genetic makeup considerably
>blew your people up on a number of occasion

allahu ár lá sasanach

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>>2290899
>Was the IRA's cause legitimate
Yes
>was violence their only foreseeable option
Maybe. They initially tried peaceful marches etc but were met with violence and hate, and so they responded with violence and hate.
>Did the British commit atrocities or where they just caught up in a mess
Both. Bloody Sunday notwithstanding, the British also colluded with loyalist paramilitaries several times. But they were caught in a very difficult situation they absolutely did not want to be in.
>IRA or UDA/UVF, which was the enemy of the non-combatant innocent?
All 3
>Which side came out on top?
The Catholics got many of the concessions they had been looking for in terms of civil rights, but the DUP also became very powerful (even if they had to share that power with Sinn Féin)
>Should people such as Martin Mcguinness/Gerry Adams be allowed in government, and should the IRA soldiers have been released from prison?
Yes. It was and is the price of peace. Although it doesn't really matter now, seeing as McGuinness has basically retired from politics. Adams is a different story; he seems to be a much more polarising figure. As of now he's focused more on politics in the south and refuses to step down but has also successfully harnessed the power of memes to reinvigorate youth support for himself and his party.
>Who started it?
The real question. Placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of the IRA is asinine. Remember that the whole conflict stemmed from the civil rights movement in the 60s, which grew violent in large part thanks to the vitriolic anti-Catholic rhetoric of Paisleyites and events like the Belfast Waterworks bombing (loyalist false flag bombing blamed on the IRA specifically in order to escalate violence and discredit the civil rights movement). Asking who "started" the Troubles is a bit like asking who started WW1. It's very easy to pick a side and successfully argue for/against that side, but desu the whole thing was a clusterfuck that was bound to turn ugly

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>Was the IRA's cause legitimate/was violence their only foreseeable option
They had legitimate grievances but resorting to violence wasn't necessary
>Did the British commit atrocities or where they just caught up in a mess
Yes, they committed a great deal of atrocities which still have not been justly resolved
>IRA or UDA/UVF, which was the enemy of the non-combatant innocent?
Proportional to their total number of killings IIRC the UVF killed way more civilians
>Which side came out on top?
It's probably accurate to describe it as a total stalemate
>Should people such as Martin Mcguinness/Gerry Adams be allowed in government, and should the IRA soldiers have been released from prison?
Yes, both sides should've been given a second chance, but members of the British army should be held to a higher standard

The true greenpill is that modern Irish history is boring as fucking and you have to go to the 16th century to get anything mildly interesting

t. Irish Nationalist who grew up during the troubles

There's nothing more pathetic than catholics trying to glorify their slimy IRA heroes. All that does is show how truly stupid you are.

>>2291092
this is the best answer
>you have to go to the 16th century to get anything mildly interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFrUFd-RRHo

>>2291105
There's nothing more pathetic than protestants trying to glorify their slimy UVF heroes. All that does is show how truly stupid you are.

>>2291115
I believe in freedom, civil and religious liberty, democracy and everything else Britain represents. You're the Nazi, you're the ultra-nationalist wishing to exterminate a religious, ethnic and political minority which doesn't fit into your view of a totalitarian Ireland.

No wonder you supported the actual Nazis whilst we fought them.

>>2291092
violence was completely necessary to stop Bombay Street happening over and over again in cities and towns

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>>2291119
>You're the Nazi, you're the ultra-nationalist wishing to exterminate a religious, ethnic and political minority
what the fuck kek

fear mongering sure has been doing it's job since the early 20th century on you gullible faggots

>>2291136
19th*

>>2290899
>IRA soldiers

>>2291119
Eh, I'll bite. Ireland was neutral. We didn't support the Nazis. Elements of the IRA tried to do what they had done in the first world war and form some kind of "alliance" with Germany and failed pretty hard. But if you genuinely think they had anything in common ideologically with the Nazi party itself then you're just deluded. It was "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and nothing else.

I can't fault a red-blooded British patriot for hating the IRA but you're not doing yourself much credit by resorting to the "everyone I don't like is a Nazi" argument right off the bat.

>>2291119

wew lad

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>>2291151
>Irish Republican Army
>Army
>an army is made up of soldiers

>>2291119
>I believe in freedom
Spook
>civil
Wew
>religious liberty
Gross

>>2291152
Ireland supported the Nazi,De Valera signed the condolence book in the german embassy when Hitler died

>>2290899
They dindu nuffin those kids had them nailbombs coming

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>>2291119
>Everyone I don't like is a NAZI!

>>2291164
>Ireland supported the Nazi,De Valera signed the condolence book in the german embassy when Hitler died
He also visited the United States embassy when FDR died

They also interned downed German pilots while allowing allied ones to cross the border to the North, they confiscated the German ambassador's radio and telephone and put him under house arrest, and allowed the allies access to certain air and sea channels that they forbade the Germans from using.

But yeah I guess they supported the Nazis somehow

>>2291164
good lad desu

>>2291164
That's different from saying that the whole of catholics supported the nazis

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reminder

>>2291178
>and allowed the allies access to certain air and sea channels that they forbade the Germans from using.
Not til the US entered to war,too late for thousands of u boat victims

>>2291119
>I believe in freedom, civil and religious liberty, democracy and everything else Britain represents
You seem to have Britain confused with America. I mean, I'm glad Britain has taken to accepting American Values so thoroughly, buut please try to avoid mistakes like this in the future.

>>2291160
>the Salvation army
>army
>an army is made up of soldiers

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I literally, regularly, forget NI even exists and it's a part of my own country.

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>>2291185
>'The city of Caesar Augusta, which means The Fortress of Zara'
wat

>>2291184
Catholics voted him in,just like they vote for IRA commanders with blood on their hands

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>>2291195
the opposite is true afaik, you're stupid as fuck

>>2291195
De Valera' personal sympaties have nothing to do with the government plan he presented to the people, let alone having nothing to do with that people

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>>2291191

>>2291164
>>2291184
>>2291195
Dev giving condolences when Hitler died was pretty stupid but the only reason he did it was to keep up appearances of neutrality, even though Irish neutrality had in practice heavily favoured the Allies as others have pointed out ITT

>>2291191
Last I checked the salvation army doesn't have guns and shit

>>2291210
it was the right thing to do, all the talk post-war about MUH CRASHED PLANES WE HELPED THE ALLIES is slimey bollocks, we'd have said the same about either side depending on who won

>>2291212
>owning a gun makes you a soldier

>>2291219
>lots of people with guns in an organised command structure with specific political motivations does not constitute an army

>>2291230
>the nra is an army

>>2291230
Wouldn't this qualify any gun club as an army?

>>2291235
>>2291233
if they deploy against something sure, why not

>>2291216
That was certainly the thought process behind it, don't get me wrong. But by the time Hitler died it was pretty clear who was going to win. I'm not so sure offering condolences was at all a smart thing to do because the Anglos have judged him pretty harshly for it ever since. You could argue that hindsight is 20/20 but I think this outcome should have been apparent even back then

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>>2291243
Dev was a gentleman (ignore everything he did before though)

>>2291249
The way he upheld our neutrality in WWII was his finest hour, no doubt about that. But yes, let's not derail this thread into civil war bickering. That would be a whole other shitstorm. It is a can of worms I would admittedly open, just to see clueless Anglos and plastic Paddies weighing in on both sides.

>>2291261
Collins deserved it

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>>2291265
fuck you man Collins was GOAT

http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/on-line-books/the-path-to-freedom-index/chapter-7-distinctive-culture/

>tfw he would have constructed a beautiful Gaelic ethnostate

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>>2291274
fuck are you on about

>>2291265
More unwelcome derailing

>>2291282
This is a troubles thread what did you expect?

>>2290899
>Was the IRA's cause legitimate
You can make a case that it was at the beginning but the longer the conflict progressed the more you can see their actions as unnecessary. Couple this with the deaths of civilians and it is far harder to legitimise IRA action. That goes for all paramilitaries.

>was violence their only foreseeable option
It's worth noting that unionist gerrymandering made political opposition that much harder. Does it excuse the violence? I think it makes it more understandable.

>>2291274
>Giving northern Ireland back to Ireland won't do anything.

There's no way NI can be 'given' back to Ireland, it needs a referendum. It's the people's to decide and even that would probably create violence and destabilise the north.

>>2291307
does it go for the British army who killed more civilians on average than the IRA?

>>2290899
>opinions
Oh please. Could we not?

>FUCKING CATHOLIC TERRORISTS
>FUCKING ORANGE MURDERS

Super. You two fucking brats need to STFU before I turn this car around right now.

I will come back there and slap you both upside the head unless you quit fighting with your brother.

>>2291313
That's not true though you fucking dullard, Brits killed the least people, stupid fucking potato farming savages just ape out at eachother

>>2291313
I don't think that the British Army deserves anyone's sympathy for their actions during that Troubles. As the military they should be held to a higher standard and were there to protect civilians.

>>2291313
>does it go for the British army who killed more civilians on average than the IRA?

>>2291327
do you know what "on average" means you inbred dogs bollocks, or do I speak your language better than you?

Of those killed by British security forces:

187 (~51.5%) were civilians
145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces
Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:

1080 (~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces
723 (~35%) were civilians
187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces
Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:

878 (~85.4%) were civilians
94 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries
14 (~1%) were members of the British security forces

give that a once over, that's FIFTY-ONE PERCENT, compared to THIRTY-FIVE PERCENT killed by the IRA (all splinters, all groups)

>>2291338
>IRA killed about 600 more civilians than the army
No one in their right mind gives a fuck about your mental gymnastics.

>>2291338
>Kill shitloads more civilians
>It's okay because they killed more on average
Yeah it's totally fine they nailbombed those kids, the British killed more on AVERAGE

>>2291357
>>2291359
are you both retarded?

have half of your kills as civilians gives you a clear indication of who they were aiming at, doesn't it?
but nah, muh child killin terrurists

can't wait for the backpedalling talking about collateral

>>2291366
>We didn't do nuffin those kids had them bombs coming
>British killed 4x less but more on average, how EVIL
Kys Mick retard cunt

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>>2291371
Can't make this up

>>2291371
the IRA killed more in total so it makes sense for them to have a high number of corresponding civilian casualties, compare them to the British fucking Army and they were less likely to kill civilians though

really makes you think huh, simple bastard

>>2290899
>>Was the IRA's cause legitimate/was violence their only foreseeable option

No. Britain has a history of granting home rule and independence when the majority want it, while there was a political means available violence was inexcusable.

>>Did the British commit atrocities or where they just caught up in a mess

Bit of both.

>>IRA or UDA/UVF, which was the enemy of the non-combatant innocent?

They were both murderous scum.

>>Which side came out on top?

Northern Ireland went from being the richest part of the island of Ireland to the poorest, so no-one won.

>>Should people such as Martin Mcguinness/Gerry Adams be allowed in government, and should the IRA soldiers have been released from prison?

Yes, it's the only way to put it in the past and move on.

>Who started it?

Everyone involved is responsible, even the "innocent" bystanders who kept voting for these thug political parties.

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>>2291385
>Britain has a history of granting home rule and independence when the majority want it,
what do you think all the trouble was about before 1916 you fool

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>>2291383
They still killed 6 times as many civilians you spanner, I doubt they give a fuck about who had the better average lmao.

>>2291390
People in Ireland trying to stop the government giving Ireland homerule?

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>>2291041
>using racist anglo propaganda as scientific fact
wew lad and i bet you think we all didnt come from africa either

>>2291393
they also killed over 10 times the amount of people

>>2291396
Unionists didn't have a majority to stop us, they couldn't have done anything about it if it was a purely democratic vote before the country was partitioned when they chimped out about not wanting a democratic vote

the House of Lords vetoed it multiple times before the veto was limited, and then WWI happend
how ignorant are you?

>>2291406
Yet you still got Home Rule. So the initial post is correct.

>>2291338

>kill 3 times more civilians than the other guy while repeatedly deliberately targeting civilians
>try to claim the moral high ground because muh statistics skew the numbers for the other guys smaller number of kills

>>2291419
no we didn't

>>2291338

Also

>former members of the British security forces
>they're not civilians if we want to justify murdering them

>>2291423
How ignorant are you?

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>>2291185
>Protestants in Ulster were oppressed before Protestantism existed
>Pro-Britain ulster dwellers existed before england existed
>Irish paganism was alive and well in Ulster in the 16th century
>also nobody was on ireland before Christianity

jesus fucking christ

>>2291422
>while repeatedly deliberately targeting civilians
false, tit-for-tat killings were carried out by lone individuals most of the time operating under false aliases/acronyms as with Darkley, Kingsmill, a good portion of the pub bombings, et cetera - this all owing to the structure of the IRA and its splinter groups

most civilian deaths were the result of pre-mature bombs or collateral even after ample warning had been given most of the time as with Omagh

>>2291431
what are you on about lad?
we never had a home rule parliament after Grattan, this is an historical fact

what event are you talking about precisely?

>>2291443

>muh warnings!

Oh yeah that's great. "We made a bomb and set it to explode, but it's YOUR fault if it kills anyone because of our poorly described or flat out false warning".

>>2291442
OP of that thread wasn't a loyalist, he was taking the piss.

>>2291430
But muh averages
Also remember nail bombing kids is okay if you ring em up and tell them you're gonna mail bomb them
IRA dindu nuffin, they wuz good boys, then knee cappings are just Anglo propaganda

>>2291445
Government of Ireland Act 1920. How ignorant are you?

>>2291450
warning's better than no warning, they didn't need to give one out when it came to targetting something but they decided to do so

>>2291456
that created the parliament in the 6 counties, sure, not a parliament for the 32 counties

meanwhile by 1920 the WoI was underway, the Dáil had been established following the vote of the majority in favour of Sinn Féin in 1918
How ignorant are you?

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>>2291451
>tfw OP of that thread and OP of the pasta in it that starts with "Let's get it started boys"
>tfw was surprised and proud when some other faggot actually reposted it, months later, in my bait thread
>tfw almost every single thread I make on /pol/ has been me pretending to be a unionist retard
>tfw it works every time and actual protestant retards come out of the woodworks
>tfw a friend made a fake "feels" story years ago about Eight Beers Mgee
>tfw he used my face for "EB"
>tfw the story got so popular that the Rumjacks made a song about "EB"
>tfw I can't stop prodposting

help me, lad

>>2291453
butthurt

>>2291464
They also created a parliament in the South, don't be ignorant. Britain honoured its word, too bad Ireland didn't.

/his/ is not /pol/ with dates

let me repeat that for you

>/his/ is not /pol/ with dates
>/his/ is not /pol/ with dates
>/his/ is not /pol/ with dates

>>2291464

How kind of them. That proves once and for all that they were the good guys.

>warnings better than no warning
>apart from when the warning is so vague it drives more people closer to the bomb
>apart from where the warning is false and the bomb goes off in another town entirely

>>2291472
the first home rule bill was in 1886 but it wasn't until 1920 that they did that, AFTER the general election of 1918, two years AFTER the establishment of the Dáil
retard

>>2291473
>>2291477
it was superfluous if all they were aiming to do was kill children with nail bombs, certainly, as your hyperbolic emotion driven posts seem to indicate was their aim, you woman

>>2291480
Still did it, so original point holds true. Sorry that facts hurt your feelings.

>>2291485
ever heard of the phrase "too little, too late"?

that bullshittery doesn't swing in the real world faggot, sorry facts hurt your feelings

>>2291480

>getting to fulfil your psychopathic bloodlust and keep the moral high ground in your own mind
>superfluous

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>>2291494
more emotion

when are you going to make an attempt at formulating anything approaching an actual argument

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>>2291491
>facts

>>2291498

>le not an argument maymay
>it's ok to try to murder as many civilians as possible if you claim to be trying to murder civilians in some other place instead

>>2291505
Why are you even bothering? These people are literal chimpanzees.

>>2291501
well it's a fact that the majority of people in Ireland would've liked a Home Rule parliament in 1886 and they didn't get it, even though your original post claims that

>Britain has a history of granting home rule and independence when the majority want it

laughable

>>2291505
well it's not an argument, you're just repeating the same shite over and over again hoping it'll be true eventually

>it's ok to try to murder as many civilians as possible if you claim to be trying to murder civilians in some other place instead
what?

>>2291476
differing opinions are not /pol/, nor are strong or even nationalistic feelings.

The Troubles is a very complex conflict, far enough in the past to be /his/ relevant and interesting enough to warrant debate.

Fuck off, faggot.

>>2291509
>>Britain has a history of granting home rule and independence when the majority want it
Literally gave Ireland Home Rule. I'm sorry that historical facts damage your world few but there's nowt I can do about it.
>well it's a fact that the majority of people in Ireland would've liked a Home Rule parliament in 1886
Can you provide data for this?

>>2291509

>Hey guiz we're totally going to bomb Liverpool
>Guiz the bomb is totally outside a Boots in Liverpool
>2 children ripped to pieces later
>lol jokes on you, there was actually 2 bombs outside a Boots and a McDonald's in Warrington

Bless those lovely IRA chaps for their jolly decent warnings they gave!

>>2291393
Shouldn't you sympathize then with Islamic Terrorists, who've killed even fewer Civilians in Britain?

>>2291518
differing opinions are not /pol/

but spewing memes and arguing like autistic teenage redditors is. See:

>>2291041
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>>2291533
Thank God for their warnings, and those kids had it coming, muh averages

>>2291536
Where do you think you are you fucking spastic?

>>2291527
>Can you provide data for this?
they voted in the IPP

>>2291533
which one is this? I never denied mistakes happen in any of my posts.
I don't have a big black book of every IRA bombing you butthurt queer

>>2291562
>they voted in the IPP
Doesn't prove much.

>>2291562

>in Warrington
>which one is this?

>>2291562
>>>can't wait for the backpedalling talking about collateral

>>2291567
don't know why you'd think I knew about every bombing, I'm not particularly fond of newspaper clipping historians

according to wiki

>Shortly before midday on 20 March 1993, The Samaritans in Liverpool received a bomb warning by telephone. According to police, the caller said only that a bomb had been planted outside a Boots shop.
and the bombs then went off outside a Boots and Argos, this being the second bombing in Warrington that you appear to have mixed up with the first one and/or deliberately obfuscated the facts to serve your own vested interests

it's a case of too little information certainly and a fault of the people who planted it and the IRA, I don't know what you want me to say

>>2291572
that they voted for a party with the explicit goal of achieving a Home Rule parliament

>>2291578
because it can be equally applied to the IRA, read my post

>>2291585
>that they voted for a party with the explicit goal of achieving a Home Rule parliament
Doesn't prove much. Even more so when you consider the conservative and unionist party got a higher vote share kek.

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>>2291589
>Doesn't prove much
how do you figure

>Even more so when you consider the conservative and unionist party got a higher vote share kek.
a matter of franchise
are you going to go about re-defining what a majority is now?

>>2291604
>what a majority is now?
Over 50%, which is what the conservative and unionist party won kek.
>how do you figure
See SNP, SDLP SF to see voting for a nationalist party doesn't equate to supporting independence, or Home Rule in IPP's case.

>>2291621
so your argument boils down to a denial of the fact that a majority of the people specifically supported Home Rule, they instead (according to you) supported the IPPs other policies?

>Over 50%, which is what the conservative and unionist party won kek.
50% of the people on the island of Ireland don't live in the 6 counties and they didn't then, there was a higher concentration of people with the franchise and the ability to vote there and they mostly leaned towards Unionism
so not a majority of the country by any means at all

>See SNP, SDLP SF to see voting for a nationalist party doesn't equate to supporting independence, or Home Rule in IPP's case.
explain the shift towards SF in 1918 then if people didn't want any degree of independence fully or legislatively and only supported the IPP for its other policies?

>>2291644
Just that your statement that voting for the IPP (not winning a majority) doesn't equate to supporting Home Rule. I just want some evidence to your original statement.
>well it's a fact that the majority of people in Ireland would've liked a Home Rule parliament in 1886
Which you haven't provided.

>>2291670
I see the faggotry you're trying to pull here

>Just that your statement that voting for the IPP doesn't equate to supporting Home Rule.
it does though, again try and explain to me what exactly would then motivate the majority to vote SF who were 'extreme' nationalists looking to form a completely independent parliament, if only a few years before the same people would've voted IPP and did in a few counties in the North

>(not winning a majority)
define a majority
a majority of the voters who had a franchise? correct, but they still became first party because the system didn't run on popular vote
a majority of people?
incorrect

so totally and utterly wrong on both counts

>Which you haven't provided.
why would people vote IPP when they could've voted for any number of other parties, except for the fact that they espoused Home Rule?

>>2291711
There were only two other parties running in Ireland. IPP would be better at representing local interests. Same reason you get unionists that vote SNP.
>it does though
But it doesn't as I've already explained, I can't help it if your dense.
>define a majority
Majority of the vote. Which the unionists won. (kek)

>>2291731
so they'd support a party because it's better at representing local interests, but wouldn't like a Home Rule parliament to look out for local interests[citation needed], or vote for the Unionist party looking after local interests as well either
so they (the majority according to you) are non-Unionist voting Unionists voting for a Home Rule party because their views align with nearly everything that Home Rule party espouses apart from Home Rule, not to mention the fact that they all switched their votes to Sinn Féin, a radical nationalist party with the goal of establishing a 32 country republic independent of the UK, because their views suddenly and unanimously aligned with that party instead of the IPP which was left behind to die

this is what you're saying?

>Majority of the vote. Which the unionists won. (kek)
so the British would give Home Rule if the popular vote was gotten despite the system not working that way, since the UK isn't a full democracy?

you're making no sense

>>2291759
>so they (the majority according to you)
the majority of PEOPLE*, not voters, because you're in full damage control and I wouldn't want to interrupt all these mental gymnastics

>>2291759
You're putting words in my mouth now to cover for the fact that you have no evidence for your original claim.

>>2291821
that's exactly the scenario you're describing, completely unrealistic, revisionist bollocks

you're full of shite my man, now answer my question and stop evading it, how do you figure people switching their votes to SF in 1918 into your little fiction?

>>2291828
You've just spouted a whole load of nonsense to cover for the fact you can't provide any proof to your claims. Give me evidence already, not speculation.

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Troubling times indeed

>>2291836
so you're just going to ignore it and be as obtuse as possible until you get the last word

my evidence lies in the point and you're deliberately choosing to avoid everything I've brought so you can repeat the same thing over and over again

why would they vote SF, I.E. the people who voted IPP previously, if their opinions only aligned with everything *but* Home Rule, you fucking dunce, can you answer that?

>>2291842
EVIDENCE
Provide it or get out

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>>2291851
the proof is in the pudding

If you get right down to it, all of this can be blamed on Carson, Craig, and everyone else that participated in the Larne Gun Running operation and the Covenant of Ulster. Those assholes introduced the gun into Irish politics and were butthurt that Home Rule was coming. So instead of trying to peacefully to wade through the Catholic-Protestant divide over economics (one of their key fears of Home Rule) and societal/cultural, they tried to circumvent the democratic process with threatening to resist with weapons. No shit that's gonna cause more harm than good.

Honestly, one of the worst aspects of the Great War was that it delayed Home Rule to be implemented. Had WWI not broken out, it would've been VERY interesting to see what happens in Ireland. Does the Royal Army fight the Ulster Volunteers (armed with Austrian and German rifles!) to ensure that Home Rule is enacted? What if Army officers refuse to follow orders?

>>2290899

protestants

>>2290980
>up the ra lmao

OOH

AAH

>>2291119
>believe in freedom, civil and religious liberty, democracy and everything else Britain represents

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

then why you no gib voting rights/basic civil liberties to Catholic minorities?

>>2290899
The Troubles are the biggest meme war ever, even the name is gay as shit.

>>2291879
yank post

>>2291851
christ you're retarded. ever heard of parnell? he was IMMENSELY popular, and his home rule and land reform campaign was the sole reason the IPP became as popular as it did. by 1910 land reform was no longer an issue so of course people voted for Redmond's IPP for home rule, there was no other reason.
>>2291879
>Had WWI not broken out, it would've been VERY interesting to see what happens in Ireland
Ireland was on the brink of civil war just before WWI broke out, no joke
>What if Army officers refuse to follow orders?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curragh_incident

STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE DUBLIN BRIGADE OF THE CONTINUITY IRA

>>2291861
this image made me kek and I am going to use it for future shitposting

see you in future threads, brother

>>2291136
recongise this image from /eire/