Were hoplites the most aesthetic soldiers in history?

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Yep.

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Ahem.

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Legionnaires have a workhorse look to them I like. Pic sort of related but it is very ahistorical.

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>>2287709
Not as /fa/ as Nappy's dragons

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>>2287709
Hoplites? lol is this some kind of joke

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Anyone who answers anything other than "12th century crusader knight" is by definition a fedora

>>2287762
Dragoons

They're named after their firearms

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>>2287709
They were definitely up there

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>>2287709

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>>2287883
Mate i'm french and i will call a french unit by its french name

>>2287779
dogshit

>>2287779
Crap.

>>2287945
As-salamu alaykum

>>2287751

>ywn be a roman army official in charge of holding a map and talking with the legatus about where best to set up camp

>>2287763
Nice cavalry you have there... shame if someone shot them.

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>>2287968
>>2288264
fite me

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>>2287709
Kek.

>Not even from PNG

They spend their live sin pursuit of Birds of Paradise so they can take their feathers and look aesthetic as fuck.

Their life is a pursuit of aesthetics.

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>>2287751
>Segmentata meme

This is what a roman soldier would look like.

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>>2288522
Its just overused, not a meme... its a very real armour.

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>>2288522

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>>2288537
It's a very real armour used for a very short period of time towards death of empire. For the vast majority of the Roman soldiers would have worn mail. However if you looked at media you'd think they wore segmentata from early republics days until 453.

>>2288551
Its not even the most aesthetic. Why is it over depicted? Most effective or something?

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>>2288552

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>>2288465
I don't need to

>>2288537

it's also pretty damn cool

no one wants to emulate the hamata that's for sure

>>2288543

I think I may have that same brand of tabi boot

>>2287709
Honestly, either the Prussians or the Nazis.

>>2288558
Breastplates and pistols is the most aesthetic combination.

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>>2288568
yep

>>2288557
I guess because it's unique. Everyone used mail.

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>>2288577
Indeed.

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>>2287888
>>2288568
>>2288578
Poles had some nice uniforms to.

>>2288593
>tfw you'll never be an arquebuiser in renaissance italy

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>>2288597
Yeah… too bad the couldn’t fight for shit

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>>2288610
>tfw you will never put down the boxer rebellion

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>>2288622
>get rekt in 1939
>skull fuck the Germans from 1940-45
pottery

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>>2287709
Not only is this the most /fa/ uniform, its also the most comfy.

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>>2288622
Poland (against a ratio of 4 to 1) fought better than France (with a ratio of 1 to 1), while being only mobilized in 50% and attacked by two major powers from 4 sides simultaneously.
Polish soldiers won multiple battles in the September Campaign and the Germans received heavy losses in equipment, whole SS Panzer division was destroyed etc.

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>>2288627
We are talking about infantry not air

>>2288633
Worst fucking infantry in the game.

>>2288642
No they're just too comfortable so they all lay down to get some zzzs while roman plebs think they're achieving something.

>>2288522
>no one ever respects squamata

>>2288465
Those onesies look really comfy.

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How come not a single Black Brunswicker has been posted yet?

>>2288640
>Germans with 40 times as much troops, with aid of tanks and Luftwaffe needs several days to beat Polish infantry
No wonder Hitler allegedly said that with German technology and Polish soldiers, he would beat everyone.
Though with Hitler in charge, German tech can easily go to shit.

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>not posted yet
Not much taste in this thread.

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>>2288465

Gotta love those meso's.

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>>2288729
>Germans with 40 times as much troops
No, Poland had a 1 million strong army (up to 3 million within few months of mobilization) and Germany had a 1,5 million strong army (up to 3+ million with prolonged mobilization). The problem was, that at the evening of the invasion of Poland, the Polish army was only 50% mobilized. 600,000 Polish troops against 2,000,000, Nazis and Soviets. Poland had the 4th largest army in Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KrWneSgOhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRJggLgQlME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwRkHkD1Bw8

>>2287709

The most larped.

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>>2287709

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I know it's pretty fucking popular and inaccurately represented in most media, BUT i seriously dig the medieval full plate attire
it just resonates with me, looks based as fuck and was also pretty useful in it's day

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>>2288894

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T H R A C E

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>>2288908

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>>2288896
this

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>>2287883
>>2287945
both terms are correct but in english dragoons is more accurate.

still, the best looking units had to be either the french cuirassiers/the grenadiers of the old guard or the ss uniforms designed by hugo boss

>pic related: napoleonic wars cuirassier if the dark ages had never been a thing

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>>2288971

>>2288971
>>2288973
imagine being on the pointy end of that lance

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kerns look pretty swank

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>>2288984
It would be a glorious end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im9UXi-rgJY

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did you say aesthetic?

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>>2288577
Knight with a pistol is a pretty awesome premise.

>>2288864
I was talking about specific battle.

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Shame on you all.

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>>2289029
Ah right, you thinking of the Wizna battle.

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GroBgermania had the coolest uniforms. Pic related.

>>2288528
What's with the spikes? Meant to stop people from sailing in at high tide?

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>>2289125
Literally ubermenschen.

>>2287709
>badass feathered cap
>>>2287738
>stupid looking penis helmet

what went wrong?

>>2287709
>Were hoplites the most aesthetic soldiers in history?
Categorically they were the most heroic looking.
>>2287742
>fat, ugly, self conscious Nords pretending it's not gay
>>2287751
pls don't do this to me.
Roman infantry are beautiful, high quality yet uniform equipment.
>>2288522
>its another episode of someone thinks the segmented armor was rarely used because the Romans didn't include it on every statue
>>2288657
Mail is shit.
>>2288733
It's creative
>>2287888
>death's head
HNNNNNGGG

>>2289170
>Mail is shit.
Possibly the most widely used form of armor in history is "shit".

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>>2289170
>Mail is shit.
Eat dick.

>>2289125
CRINGE

Envious of the panzer wrap tho

>>2287709
I think so.

My top would be

Hoplite
Roman Legionnaire
Conquistador

>>2288557
>Its not even the most aesthetic.
kys

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>>2289334
>Roman Legionnaire
Which ones?

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>>2288558

>>2287763
>ywn break Takeda cavalry and seize overlordship of glorious Nippon

>>2289958
>>2288971
>>2288973

Tell me about the Polish hussar. Why does he wear the wings ?

>>2288638
>fought better than France

[citation needed]

Not that it actually matters though "lol we got fucked but just look there instead". I'll never get over the polish butthurt about France. We were the only ones to help you throughout history (or willing to help as in 1939), and you owe us a fucking lot, be it only for Napi times. But we just did better than you in WW2 and you keep insulting us for it. Also for the record, I don't think you know shit but memes about the Battle of France. Because it fits your beliefs that your country is so great and shit, you never tried learning about it. Well, bad news Prztlek, the French fought. It's not anime, 2 giants fighting each other for real in a total war does not last 10 episodes. It can (and it did) go fast for various reasons, cowardice not being one.
Amongst other things, the French won the first tank to tank battle in history (Hannut), in dire numerical inferiority and without air or artillery support, which the germans had.
Also, the Luftwaffe lost more planes (1059) during the 2 months of the BoF than during the 4 months of the BoBritain (1052), despite having only 18 new generation fighters (D520) to oppose the 2500 German planes. And we were glad to have polish pilots in our ranks too. Fucker, you're not worth of your ancestors.

>>2288729
Stop believing sheer troops numbers win a war, idiot! Also the amount of shit Hitler said about anyone to get people to enroll for SS is through the fucking roofs. Do your research ffs.

>>2290370
This.

Dirty Pollacks should be sucking French dick.

>>2290390
But they'd rather eat english shit, and praise them for bravery in 1939-1940. My fucking sides. And here I stood thinking that one good thing of communism was all the learning that you can get for cheap. Well they didn't get it, they didn't learn it.

>>2288642
because they only need to hold exactly long enough for your javelins and cavalry to tear the other side apart

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>ywn rek the Italians with outdated equipment while looking /fa/ af

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>>2287709

/fa/ as fuck

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>>2289417
>The third one

Oh god i'm a sucker for Scutums, just something about them look so cool while also imposing.

It really gives off the vibe of a professional battle-hardened leagion

>>2290471
Better example that's not a thumbnale

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>>2289158
its horse hair, not feathers

>>2289135
during the siege a seawall was built spanning the length of the channel into the city to prevent resupply

no idea if that's what it actually looked like though, that painting was made 150 years after the event

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big fan of hoplites personally

>>2290594
gay, the coolest looking hoplites have corinthian helmets

>>2290188
They mostly don't? Only some did and usually it was one wing fastened to the saddle.
>>2290370
>[citation needed]

>Poland: 600,000 soldiers (because army only 50% mobilized), having on average three times less armor and 6 times less airplanes, no Maginot Line against 2,000,000+ Nazis and Soviets (ratio 1:4) attacking from 4 sides simultaneously
>FOUGHT FOR 1 MONTH AND 5 DAYS.

>France: 3 million French soldiers ready against 3 million Germans (ratio 1:1), prepared for months, much equipment comparable in numbers to the Germans, the Maginot Line, attacked from only one side from the mountains.
>FOUGHT FOR 1 MONTH 15 DAYS!

ONLY 10 DAYS LONGER WITH 4 TIMES AS BETTER CHANCES AT WINNING WITH A RATIO OF 1:1 COMPARED TO POLAND WITH 1:4 RATIO NUMBER WISE.

>We were the only ones to help you throughout history (or willing to help as in 1939),
Oh you piece of shit traitors. Poland couldn't ask for a worse ally than Britain and France. You just went in few km then retreated, not fulfilling the treaty and leaving Poland alone, while you could have ended the war already in 1939 if you pushed into Germany.

>be it only for Napi times.
Oh yeah, owe him a fuckton of loans which he smartly put on the Duchy of Warsaw to finance his war?

>But we just did better than you in WW2 and you keep insulting us for it.
You were pathetic in WW2, while having the same amour of soldiers and equipment as Germany.

>Prztlek
Wtf? It's Jakub you baguette cunt.

>Amongst other things, the French won the first tank to tank battle in history (Hannut),
Congratulations... on loosing the war.

>in dire numerical inferiority and without air or artillery support, which the germans had.
Now you know how the whole September Campaign felt for the 600,000 Poles who had to fight simultaneously against 2,000,000 + Nazi Germans, Slovaks and Soviet Russians and Ukrainians.
Your campaign was 3,000,000 French vs. 3,000,000 Germans, and yet you fought almost the same amount of time as Poland, PATHETIC

>>2290753
SAD. "all our troops weren't on the battlefield, it's not our fault. You had 3M men in the Maginot line"
"Yeah but the German went through Belgium, which fell in 1 night. The French army was quite far from the actual front" *autistic screeching*
ps: it's actually closer to 1:3 ratio: 3*6 = 18, 4*6=24... what was I saying about education?

> much equipment comparable in numbers to the Germans
As in ? The 1886 Lebel rifle? The countless early 20's fighters and bombers?

> attacked from only one side from the mountains.
You're probably retarded, we were attacked from the mountains by Italy.
https://www.google.ch/search?q=battle+of+france+attac+plan&biw=1600&bih=765&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9446zwOfRAhXGbZoKHQeTCd4Q_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=battle+of+france+attack+plan&imgrc=tgpsSPKKMY4YRM%3A
following your logic, since there's 7 arrows on the map, we were attacked from 7 fronts.
And not counting the Italian front!

>>FOUGHT FOR 1 MONTH 15 DAYS!
Actually we fought for the entirety of the war. But you can be glad your WWI National Hero didn't betray your nation for personal interests. Oh wait, national hero, Poland? x)

>Poland couldn't ask for a worse ally than Britain and France.
You probably mean that we could not ask for a worse ally than Poland... Britain compelled the French not to pursue the Sahr offensive to preserve peace. And that was the smart thing to do, because crossing Germany + facing USSR to save assholes really isnt worth the fuel.

>Oh yeah, owe him a fuckton of loans which he smartly put on the Duchy of Warsaw to finance his war?
gave you your country, homeless slav. Do you think Poland would exist without him? /spoiler (no) /spoiler

>Wtf? It's Jakub you baguette cunt.
Nice to meet you, but really you're an idiot.

>Congratulations... on loosing the war.
we won the war. look at any post war treaty, or even just look today. We're not poles :^)

I hope Poland has a war soon, just so this settles the deal of them being losers.

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>>2290920
>ps: it's actually closer to 1:3 ratio: 3*6 = 18, 4*6=24... what was I saying about education?
Yeah right, 3 million vs 3 million is not 1:3.

>As in ? The 1886 Lebel rifle? The countless early 20's fighters and bombers?
Pic rel. They owned you on the ground.

>You're probably retarded, we were attacked from the mountains by Italy.
Moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr4zJS4eb80 [Embed]

>since there's 7 arrows on the map, we were attacked from 7 fronts.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>Actually we fought for the entirety of the war.
Yes, Poles fought from 1939 to 1945+, some even in the 50's.

> But you can be glad your WWI National Hero didn't betray your nation for personal interests. Oh wait, national hero, Poland? x)
Eh, Pilsudski is a national hero?

>You probably mean that we could not ask for a worse ally than Poland... Britain compelled the French not to pursue the Sahr offensive to preserve peace. And that was the smart thing to do,
Just as thought. Frogs and Bongs were totally worthless piece of traitorous scum.

>gave you your country, homeless slav.
He lost the war fucktard and lost everything.

>Do you think Poland would exist without him?
Ehhh, Poland did reappear and did exist without him, after he lost and was long dead.

>but really you're an idiot.
Smart ass, you're a fucking frog. WW2 showed how pathetically "smart" you guys are.

>we won the war
HAHAHAHAHA!

>I hope Poland has a war soon, just so this settles the deal of them being losers.
It's such a shame that Paris wasn't destroyed by Hitler's order, so close.

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>>2288674
Because the Death Hussars exist

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>>2291852
Gee Hans how come mom lets you have two sabres?

>>2289008
Gritty af

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>>2289008

>>2291852
is that l'aigle?

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>>2292008
Yeah looks like it. The guy who makes L'aigle does a good job making uniforms.

>>2288896
>Thou strayst into the wrong baliwick, churl

>>2289125
>Boot cut blue jeans and autism shoes

Oh god

>>2292008
Looks like NapoopaN to me

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German WW1 uniforms were pretty aesthetic desu.

>>2292118
That's obviously a poor Wehraboo who can't afford gun or full uniform. No wonder /pol/lacks are so frustrated all the time

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>Not byzantine armour

>>2288551
>towards the death of the empire
>>2288537
>on Trajan's column
when was the death of the empire exactly?

>>2287906
You nailed it

>>2288952
Karl Diebitsch and Walter Heck designed nazi uniforms, Hugo Boss just manufactured them.

>>2288453
fucking lol'd irl

>>2289035
Link!
he come to town!
he come to save!
the princess Zelda!...

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Late Meiji Era Japanese uniforms. Simply amazing.

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>>2293711

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>>2293715

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No armor best armor

>>2289179
>>2289208
>thinking utility is better than aesthetic appeal
>plebs

Muscle is the most widely used form of armor in history.

>>2287906
>tfw you will never cut down retreating kebab with a polish saber

>>2287751

Salve Anonymoe !

>>2287779
this
eagle warriors are cool

Roman face-helmets are /fa/ as fuck. An amalgamation of Roman armor of different time periods would probably be the most /fa/ because they had a lot of great ideas.

If it has to be a singular uniform, had to be Samurai in full dress.

>>2291852
>>2291891
I don't like these uniforms, much too busy

>>2287709
The Cossacks

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>>2287709
hellenistic hoplites with either a konos or thracian helmet are fine.
But how can greeks even compete to pic?

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>>2293730

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Hellenic infantry and cavalry in general was aesthetic as fuck

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>>2295376

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>>2295151
Thats a shitty shit helmet. Like when girls wear too much makeup

>>2287709
OP, just out interest, are you a closet homo? Like hunk men in heavy leather make you secretly hot?

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>>2289417

Polybian Triarii are still best Legionaries

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>>2290667

phryigian >thracian >boetian > corinthian

>>2295376
>the bronze age in general was aesthetic as fuck

FTFY

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>>2287779
>>2293854
my niggas

>>2288561
The Spanish got their butts kicked by the tlaxcalans and only weren't stopped there and then was because they realized they could manipulate the spanish into toppling the aztecs for them

Then the spanish got their asses handed to them again after Montezuma II died and the spanish were chased out of tenochtitlan

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>>2296600
>>2288561

>>2296600
>>2296602
Also, anybody want me to dump mesoamerican osprey scans?

>>2288788
why does he have a giant feathery darth vader helmet floating above his head

>>2296607

go for it

>>2293730
If I pull that off, will you die?

>>2293723
saved

>>2296815
I will in a bit, dealing with IRL shit

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I'm a sucker for the French WW1 uniforms (except 1914 ones fuck off red pants)

Weren't a lot of regiments of Hoplites generally made up of folks who had to supply their own gear, clothes and all? Does that only apply to Greece? Am I thinking of some other unit?

>>2297131
Until the modern/ pre modern era thats a pretty typical thing. One of the characteristic things about Greek hoplites it that you could have a rich guy standing next to you in the phalanx in full gear while you were wearing substantially less.
Its really a modern concept though that the state pays for arms. The Roman army supplied its soldiers with arms and armor, but even then individuals still had to pay for it.

>>2297144
Goddamn, so you're saying that you had to pay for the right to fight in that instance with the Romans?

>>2297152
Essentially yes. In Rome you had to pay for your own equipment, not to mention things like food.
Although the Roman army was substantially more organized than many of its counterparts. Roman soldiers even got paid (wowzers).
Consider though that this isnt exactly like the worst thing: financing your own arms and armor is sort of like an investment, which will be made back upon a successful campaign. The real money to be made comes from pillaging and booty.

>>2297152
Before the Marian reforms yes that was the case, but after that anyone could join the army. If they couldn't afford their own equipment, the state would provide it for them and pay for it by subtracting the cost from their wages.

>>2297176
>soldiers were basically better organized bandits

Huh.

>>2297199
Always were.
There are also multitudes of instances in Rome where new armies/ navies were financed privately by citizens, who treated it as an investment, since success in warfare would bring them booty.
As a side note, oddly enough one of the major forms of booty during ancient eras was in fact livestock. Ergo, pillaging doesn't just mean stealing someones gold, its their goods, livestock, etc as well.

>>2297229
Not to mention taking slaves to then sell at market. You had to pay for their upkeep until they were sold though.

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Japs made some stylish armor.

>>2297239
Ah yes, this too.

>>2297267
japs r gay hiroshima 2.0 when

>>2297229

Fun fact: many of the English pirates from the 16th to 18th centuries were commercial concerns, financed by wealthy merchants and landowners, who took a share in the profits. Usually they took letters of marque, but in peace time any profit is better than no profit, especially if it's at the expense of Johnny foreigner. Smuggling was also a good use of such ships.

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It is the pervading law of all things organic and inorganic, of all things physical and metaphysical, of all things human and all things superhuman, of all true manifestations of the head, of the heart, of the soul, that the life is recognizable in its expression, that form ever follows function. This is the law.

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ORANGE CATHOLIC BIBLE: the "Accumulated Book," the religious text produced by the Commission of Ecumenical Translators. It contains elements of most ancient religions, including the Maometh Saari, Mahayana Christianity, Zensunni Catholicism and Buddhislamic traditions. Its supreme commandment is considered to be: "Thou shalt not disfigure the soul."

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>>2287709
TUCKED

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>>2288537
>>2288541
Propaganda which does not match the archaeological record.

Of course Trajan wanted to show off his soldiers in their finest armor. It doesn't mean that he actually had that many.

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>>2295373

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>tfw you will never sail around the world slapping the French about all while wearing a straw hat and being tipsy 24/7

>>2287751

This always confused me.

This was supposed to be Caesar right? The later invasion of Britain had way more ships than either invasion by Caesar and we can clearly see fucked up ships, which is what happened to him on both occasions. Yet Legio XII is on that vexillation and has the Capricorn; which would have been Augustus.

>>2297534

You're wrong, just as he is.

According to the archeological record, there is far more prevelance of Lorica Segmentata the closer to the manufacturing base of the Meditteranian and roughly one third of the army used it at its height of use. Scale stepped in to replace it as the armor was phased out of use due to being too fragile to wear during large marches.

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Sexpoleon

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>>2297843
Also

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>>2297846
I am actually wet right now

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>>2297630
>the manufacturing base of the Meditteranian and roughly one third of the army used it at its height of use
My point, exactly.

Even at the height of its use it was still only used by a minority of soldiers, it was probably much less than a third of the army as most of those suits would have been needed for replacement pieces. Plus consider that only the most sophisticated Italian manufacturing centers could produce them, they were probably in critically short supply on the frontier.

It was probably reserved for elites or shock troopers while the common rank-and-file made due with their chain shirts and lorica hamata.

>>2288896
>DR. PAVEL

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>>2290667
apulo-corinthian yes,
original Corinthian no

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>>2287709
aztecs, samurai, tlingit all objectively btfo bronze age mediterranean, just to name a few.

>>2298076
that's some serious LARPing in that picture.

>>2298152
BOI

>>2289170
>Mail is shit.
>squamata
>mail

>>2298048
>apulo-corinthian
Exists only because had better functionality, but corinthian had far better aesthetics, as the creators knew too

no
ss were

>>2290753
>>2291801
Why do Poles behave like this? I used to like Poland but I always see them making butthurt posts like these that I suffer from second hand embarrassment. It comes as no surprise that they're some of the most hated people on this site.

>>2287779
>Animal themed pyjama party.

Cool I guess.

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>>2299572
>Why do Poles behave like this?
Because we get bashed constantly?
>It comes as no surprise that they're some of the most hated people on this site.
No wonder, this site is filled with LARPing krauts and moskals.

>>229301
>>2297534
The guy you quoted made a mistake in one of the filenames, which only furthers his point to be true to be honest.

The first pic is from Marcus Aurelius' column, only the second is Trajan. There you have two Emperors using depictions of Lorica Segmentata. Is that propaganda?

>>2299572
Poles being butthurt isn't just a meme

>>2297618

anon, they're wearing segmentatas and galeas, ALL of them, in a time period in which Romans were still lingering on hamatas and montefortinos. Don't think too hard about it.

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>>2287709

>>2300394
>>2297618
they also just conducted the Operation Overlord
seriously, why are the ships on fire?

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Hands down pic related
bad ass helmets

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>>2299673
>The first pic is from Marcus Aurelius' column, only the second is Trajan. There you have two Emperors using depictions of Lorica Segmentata. Is that propaganda?
I'm not denying the existence of Lorica Segmentata, it's just that both columns depict it as ubiquitous when in practice that was hardly the case.

And Trajan and Marcus both belonged to the same dynasty and both ruled around the time Rome was at the peak of its power so yes, their armies would have had the money and resources to invest in more sophisticated suits of armor for their legions. But as >>2297630 noted, at the most it was 1/3rd of the army at the absolute pinnacle of Roman might. They probably only wanted pictures of Lorica Segmentata for the same reason we do, even if that wasn't necessarily the whole picture.

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>tfw no more gaudy bright uniforms
>eternal camoshit until cloaking materials are developed

>>2292996
when Byzantines were lucky and even HAD armor. Most were peasant conscripts with a spear and tunic and maybe a helmet

>>2301719
>wanting to make yourself a more visible target
>thinks he can outrun a bullet

r u Sonic?

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>>2287763
Japanese symbolism and art style have aged very well. They are simple, tidy, and symmetric designs that appeal to some basic human sensibilities and will never be considered ugly, no matter what the fashion is. European medieval stuff was highly fashion dependent in comparison, with their suffocating load of poorly crafted ornamental frill.

>>2287779
furries/10

>>2301719
Yeah fuck this. Camo should be outlawed