ITT: People that did LITERALLY nothing wrong

Leftcucks love to chimp out over McCarthy but they forget he was tarred feathered and disgraced meanwhile McCarthy tactics were used by every communist government ever until they collapsed.

>>2280338
this

>>2280338
He's literally one of the first people in history who got absurdly villified and turned into a demon solely thanks to Hollywood propaganda.

>>2280394
>Leftcucks love to chimp out over McCarthy but they forget he was tarred feathered and disgraced
By his own actions.He went on TV and had an autistic meltdown where he accused the US army of being a communist plot because they wouldn't give one of his Toadies preferential treatment.

>McCarthy tactics were used by every communist government ever until they collapsed.
So did McCarthy do nothing,or did the communists do nothing wrong?

>>2280432
>So did McCarthy do nothing,or did the communists do nothing wrong?

He fought fire with fire. Him BTFO communist isnt wrong considering we were in the middle of a cold war.

>>2280394
>but they forget he was tarred feathered and disgraced meanwhile McCarthy tactics were used by every communist government ever until they collapsed.
>using whataboutism
>a communist tactic

>>2280394
and you are lynching negroes

>>2280394
>>2280432
McCarthy went way too far when he went for the Army, but I was surprised to discover that many of his accusations prior to that were actually true.

It's interesting. The mainstream media line is typically "McCarthy accused non-commies of being commies", the sort of thing they show us through movies like "Trumbo", neglecting to mention that Trumbo was actually a pro-Stalin author (who had ZERO problem turning some of his fellow commies in when the chips were down, by the way).

I used to fall for this shit, and I mocked my grandfather (who was tortured by communists) back when I was in HS for complaining about it. I feel horrible about it even now.

>>2280461
The thing is, it's entirely possible for their to be communist spies, AND be a drunken, self-promoting asshole about it. It wasn't just the army. This guy accused George Marshal of being a communist conspirator.

The guy who accused communist regimes of employing the same tactics as McCarthy is exactly right. McCarthy was Stalin tier in his delusions. The fact that there were actually German Spies in the Soviet Union at the time doesn't validate the great purge.

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>MAGA from the ash that the Persians left
>Create the most iconic city in history
>Inspire the greatest culture in history
>Foster democracy and meritocracy
>Deliver fantastic speeches, providing the base plate for Lincolns greatest speech
>Build the most beautiful building on the tallest hill in Athens
>Turn the Delian league into empire to defeat the scum bag PreIslamics
>Get knifed by autistic Spartans who side with Persians and ruin Greece forever all because he died of aids

He embodied the western world and yet most people don't know a thing about him. His quotes lines the supreme court, he made Athens the city that every westerner claims to be decedent from, and made Athens the prime Greek Polis.

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>>2280488
>The fact that there were actually German Spies in the Soviet Union at the time doesn't validate the great purge.
That's where you're wrong, revisionist.

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>>2280338

>>2280488

>comparing McCarthy to Stalins purges

wew lad.

Im going to try and be fair, but both are right. The story I always heard growing up about how McCarthy was on this insane witch hunt and arresting innocent people is complete bullshit. There was a bunch of communist spies and he did catch them. But He also went to far with his actions against the Army.

Hollywood is just eternally butthurt about him because he #rekt a few of their guys who thought they would be cool if they flirted with communism and successfully vilified him.

>>2280488
>The thing is, it's entirely possible for their to be communist spies, AND be a drunken, self-promoting asshole about it

Very true. I'm no fan of McCarthy, I just think he is often unjustly demonized. Was he an alcoholic jackass? Yes, of course? You know who else was an alcoholic jackass? Winston Churchill. But we don't dismiss everything *he* ever said, now do we (unless you're the cute little blonde girl in my "Colonialism in Africa" class).


>The guy who accused communist regimes of employing the same tactics as McCarthy is exactly right. McCarthy was Stalin tier in his delusions.

Absolutely. But at the same time, he was often correct when he identified these people as potential traitors. His issue, more often than not, was how he went about dealing with them. America was virtually founded on the idea of a "loyal opposition", Thomas Jefferson was one of President Washington's most trusted friends/allies/advisers and he disagreed with Washington on practically everything.

>The fact that there were actually German Spies in the Soviet Union at the time doesn't validate the great purge.

It doesn't validate it from a moral standpoint, but think of it from the PoV of Josef "Stalin" Dugasvili, a Georgian who was brutally assaulted and crippled by Tsarist soldiers, and had seen firsthand what happens when the ruling elite ignores potential threats. IMO, the Great Purge, as misguided as it was, was ultimately important to Stalin's ability to control the USSR.

And I'm no commie by any stretch of the imagination (my great-grandfather spent 3 years in this LOVELY commie prison just outside of Havana for disagreeing with Saint Fidel), I just get why Stalin did what he did from a purely political standpoint.

>>2280524
>But we don't dismiss everything *he* ever said, now do we (unless you're the cute little blonde girl in my "Colonialism in Africa" class).
Nah, I'm a burnette, and I dismiss everything he says, because I'm an unrepentant Taig.

>And I'm no commie by any stretch of the imagination (my great-grandfather spent 3 years in this LOVELY commie prison just outside of Havana for disagreeing with Saint Fidel), I just get why Stalin did what he did from a purely political standpoint.
Oh I get that too. And similarly, I get it from McCarthy. But it's still a dumb idea, even from a realpolitik stance. For example, it's recently been uncovered that the Great Purge may have been the result of some Abwehr disinfo. They decided to have a triple agent accuse a bunch of Soviet Generals of being German Agents, and then Stalin actually killed them, the absolute madman.

>>2280516
>wew lad.
In their level of paranoia and detachment from reality? Absolutely.

In their extent and damage? Of course not. But that might have more to do with the American system and McCarthy's place in it then the content of his character. That's speculation.

But on the level of Paranoia "George C. Marshall was a communist spy from the beginnings of his career in the U.S. Army, who rose to the Chief of Staff, and then got appointed to be Secretary of State, so he could help the Chinese Communists win a war (that they were winning anyway), is looney toons crazy. It's absolutely as nutty as Stalin, and too nutty for the Kruschev era.

>>2280543
>Nah, I'm a burnette, and I dismiss everything he says, because I'm an unrepentant Taig.

Come on, Churchill wasn't all bad. Can't you admire his efforts to strengthen the US-UK relationship? Or the way he rallied the British people when it seemed like all hope was lost? Or even the sneaky way he invented the term "superpower" and tried to get Britain included in that defenition?

>For example, it's recently been uncovered that the Great Purge may have been the result of some Abwehr disinfo.

Damn, really? Do you have a source? I'm not trying to call you out, but that sounds amazing. Please, anything you've got-articles, books, videos-give links.

>They decided to have a triple agent accuse a bunch of Soviet Generals of being German Agents, and then Stalin actually killed them, the absolute madman.

Well, that's Stalin for you. Remember how he chased Trotsky all the way to Mexico, then had the NKVD murder the poor bastard with an icicle? The man was thorough and ruthless.

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An absolutely brilliant thinker.

>>2280505
^

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LONG BOY

>>2280586
this

>>2280557
>Can't you admire his efforts to strengthen the US-UK relationship?
Not really, because I'd like the UK to fuck off and die.

> Or the way he rallied the British people when it seemed like all hope was lost?
Not really, see above.

> Or even the sneaky way he invented the term "superpower" and tried to get Britain included in that defenition?
There's kind of a pattern here.

>Damn, really? Do you have a source?
Czechoslovakia Between Stalin and Hitler: The Diplomacy of Edvard Beneš in the 1930s, haven't read it, but found this tidbit digging through Wikipedia. Anyway, I remember only half the story. That USED to be the theory, based on Abwehr documents. When the Soviet Archives opened up, it turns out Stalin ordered the forgery, passed them to the Abwehr on the downlow. The Abwehr got excited and made sure they reached Stalin, hoping to kill off his generals. Stalin 'fell' for the Abwehr plot, that he concocted in the first place. Shades of Roger A Muirebe.

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huey

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>>2280599
America was ROBBED of this great lad

>>2280599
He a long boy, he doing a protect of ordinary man. He giving the oil companies a heck off.

>>2280586
In b4 homocidal faggot memes.

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>>2280599
>>2280627
tfw no harmless youth group

>>2280625
>There's kind of a pattern here.

lol, fair enough. I guess if you have no love for English culture/influence then nothing about Churchill would make you like the man.

>Anyway, I remember only half the story. That USED to be the theory, based on Abwehr documents. When the Soviet Archives opened up, it turns out Stalin ordered the forgery, passed them to the Abwehr on the downlow. The Abwehr got excited and made sure they reached Stalin, hoping to kill off his generals. Stalin 'fell' for the Abwehr plot, that he concocted in the first place.

That's incredible. And amazingly brilliant by German intelligence if it's true. Basically gave Barbarossa a chance to succeed, with the way the Purge gutted the Red Army and put morons in charge. My favorite little snippet from that time period, showing how badly it hurt their command structure:

>Soviet soldier in eastern poland, 1941
>starts hearing gunshots
>sees German tanks coming
>radios moscow "we're under attack, it's the germans!"
>response: "hahaha, what are you talking about? Are you crazy? Why aren't you talking in code?"

>>2280599
ywn live in a timeline where the Kingfish became the president. What a waste.

Here's a taste of what he was like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphgHi6FD8k

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Belfrage

>At the height of McCarthyism, Belfrage was summoned in 1953 to appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC).
>In 1995, the decrypted VENONA intercepts—a project between the US and British intelligence services to decipher Soviet wires — were made public. United States intelligence has alleged that Unnamed Codename Number 9 (UNC/9) was Belfrage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Karr

>In 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy referred to Karr as Drew Pearson’s “KGB controller”.
>After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, in the new atmosphere of openness, Soviet investigative journalist Albats published an article in Izvestia quoting documents from KGB archives that Karr was “a competent KGB source” who ‘‘submitted information to the KGB on the technical capabilities of the United States and other capitalist countries.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Coe

>Called before the HUAC (chaired by Congressman Karl Mundt), Coe denied under oath having ever been a member of the CPUSA.
>A recent investigation into the KGB archives claims that files show Coe to have been a Soviet agent.

But this one is my favourite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauchlin_Currie

>the United States refused to renew his passport in 1954 due to the McCarthyism atmosphere in Washington, DC.
>He appears in the VENONA cables under the cover name 'PAGE', and in Soviet intelligence archives as 'VIM' and as a source for the Golos and Bentley spy networks.

Why he is my favourite? Because of this.

>From 1943 to 1944, Currie ran the Foreign Economic Administration where he played a major role in recruiting or recommending economists and others throughout the Washington administration. Prominent examples are John Kenneth Galbraith, Richard Gilbert, Adlai Stevenson, and William O'Dwyer.

So we have a Soviet agent recruiting people who would later become part of the United States liberal establishment.

>>2280696
I miss playing Kaiserreich.

>>2280703

Don't we all

>>2280722
No. Some of us are playing Kaiserreich.

>>2280700
>So we have a Soviet agent recruiting people who would later become part of the United States liberal establishment.

Which led to 25 years of booming economic growth?

>>2280700
No, they were already part of the establishment. Adlai Stevenson was the son of a Vice President and Congressman, and was serving as Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Navy. Galbraith was the deputy head of the OPA meaning he was the second most important man in the office that litterally decides the price of everything in America. O'Dwyer was a major mayoral candidate in NYC and a Brigadier General.

>>2280700

DELETE THIS

>>2280599
Best post

>>2280700
If commies have been puppeteering American liberalism for decades why haven't we had an edgy communist revolution yet? All we got was boring social democracy and decent paced economic growth

>>2280598
litteraly raped girls to death

>>2281035
Not to mention the neoliberal, triangulation turn. So we don't have that anymore.

>>2280703
>>2280722
Personally, I always preferred Victoria II to Kaiserreirch. I made this really fun mod for it, where Napoleon dies in 1811 and Davout takes over, Hamilton becomes US president, and Heshen does't bankrupt China. It make for a truly brilliant game. The UK, France, Russia, and later in the 19th century China and the US, all competing for world domination. Why did good, honest men, like Hamilton, like Napoleon, like Pitt, like Alexander, like the Jiaqing Emperor, have to be brought down by jealous, conniving subordinates? It's just not fair.

Heaven if you sent us down, for all the sinners, all the saints, you'll be so proud of what you made...

>>2281035
I think we have gotten an edgy communist reaction. It's just difficult to see because the "classical liberal" tradition of the USA is just that strong. I don't think "puppeteering" is the right word, but they have been influencing your ancestors since the 1870s, sometimes for good (40-hour work week), sometimes for bad (making us turn on each other, promoting racial divisions).

The commies are doing everything they can to destroy the American way of life. Their dream is the "UASR" outlined in "Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline" (feel free to google it, it's the work of an insane commie american). The fact that they have failed to do so is only thanks to the efforts of brave men and women all over the country who know the dangers of leftism, especially in "swing states" like Florida where were the only thing standing between the Oval Office and socialist wackos like Gore...

>>2281076
>Gore
>Socialist wacko
Where the fuck did this come from?

>>2281087
I'm sorry, I was exaggerating to prove a point. Gore is not a socialist wacko, but he is the first step towards that madness. "Give an inch, they'll take a mile", every victory by the Democratic Party pushes us one step closer towards the insanity and brutality that my grandparents, father, aunt, and their cousins risked their lives to escape.

>>2281135
Every time we elect a Democrat, we take on step closer towards Castro. We're not interested in that, and we'll do everything we can to fight it.

>>2281135
>>2281141
these two posts are both from me btw

>>2280338
what we were taught in school
>McCarthy was a bully
>McCarthy was a drunk
>McCarthy surrounded himself with evil people like Roy Cohn
>McCarthy just made shit up for his own self aggrandisement.
>All those poor people dragged before HUAC were completely innocent and victims of a combination of prejudice and hysteria.

what actually happened:
>the US government was riddled with communist sympathisers and actual Soviet spies
>the US media establishment was even more riddled with communist sympathisers and actual Soviet spies
>one man tried to stand up to them
>one man tried to drag them out into the light.
>when he realised he was losing, he started to sink into depression and alcoholism
>paranoia took hold and he lost perspective, which led to his downfall
>the communist traitors he tried to expose danced on his grave, using their stranglehold on the media to completely control the narrative around him (why would anyone make an entire biopic with James Woods about someone as minor as Cohn except as propaganda?)

>the bad guys won

>>2280598

>in before some clearly made up propaganda about him personally giving new married couples a quadrillion dollars and how a thousand loaves of bread cost only $0.01

>>2281222
>implying it's fake
Libya is a country with 4 million, their welfare state was real and extravagant.

>>2280497
>MAGA from the ash that the Persians left
You don't know how happy I am knowing some one else saw Pericles as Making Athens Great Again

>>2280700
Wow, five people out of how many? Did McCarthy do the intelligence work himself?

>the answer is he didn't and he carried it too far
He was also from Wisconsin, a state rife with fuckwits.

>>2280771
This.

>>2280505
dude /pol/ lmao

>>2281150
No they're from me

>>2281363
The thread was "did nothing wrong" not "did everything wrong"

>>2280524
>my great-grandfather spent 3 years in this LOVELY commie prison just outside of Havana for disagreeing with Saint Fidel
Holy shit. Did he survive La Cabana?

>>2281380
You mean keep all of his promises in the first week of his presidency? What's wrong with that?

>>2281400
He promised to destroy America.

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>>2281400
I love our president immensely

>>2281391
He did, actually! Fortaleza de San Carlos. How did you know? Is it that famous?

>>2281416
Not that famous. I particularly like to study revolutionary history. It's shocking how awful and mean-spirited the Cuban Revolution was compared to how we're generally encouraged to see it. I read that that particular prison was where Che Guavara (who according to every non-Castro or autobiographical source was a horrible and incompetent person) carried out most of his executions.

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>>2280338

>>2281363
Cheeto Benito

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Literally saved Spain

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>>2280505

>did nothing wrong
>lose miserably and ideology is discredited to the point where your ideological successors universally deny your greatest accomplishment (The Final Solution)

>>2280443
>BTFO communists
is it really a beatdown if you end up disgraced and the commies end up still existing

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Everyone involved in sentencing these two.

>>2281856
>killing leftists
>ever wrong

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Daily reminder Robespierre did nothing wrong
>>2281135
>being this pure in ideology

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>>2280724

>>2281380
t. Juancito Alvarez

>>2282075
>>2282078
agree 100%

>>2281050
where is proof?

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>>2281380

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>>2281905
>>2282075
>>2282106
>Robespierre did nothing wrong
Fucking hell this is one of the rightest things you will ever read anons. The French Revolution wasn't when the world started going insane. The death of Robespierre was. He wanted to save us all and almost did it.

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>>2282354

>>2282358
Robespierre was actually one of the least bloodthirsty politicians in revolutionary France. He supported The Terror but if everyone had listened to him when they first got started it never would have been necessary in the first place. The wars were what pushed France into unrest and violence and he was always against them.

>>2280338
>>2280497
>>2280586
>>2281207
>>2281591
>>2281602
Only sane people in this thread
Everyone else is wrong

>>2282362
>No one loves armed missionaries
There would not even be a need for the Terror to happen in the first place

>>2282358
Seeing as only 40k people were killed it was worth it. Far more people die over a lot less these days.

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>>2281207

hes like the original doom paul.

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>>2280338

Ernesto "Che" motherfucking Guevara did LITTERALLY nothing wrong

>smart
>beautiful
>a doctor
>always fighting for the good guys, always fighting for the weaker side
>fighting any dictatorship in the motherfucking world
>a communist
>BTFO fascists, capitalists, and homosexual scum
>bullets in the head to the anti-revolutionaries
>never corrupted
>refused money and popularity just for spreading the revolution

An hero

>>2282075
oh, so fucking yes, anon!

>Terror or not, the French revolution was the right thing to do

Robespierre: the hero we need, and that we don't deserve

>>2281602
>saved Spain

wew lads

this motherfucker made sure Spain was a third world country for at least 30 fucking years, before waking up in the 70s

>>2280497
good pick, anon!

and the only non-shitposting pick of the whole thread.
Good job

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>>2283158
>did LITTERALLY nothing wrong
>communist

>>2283264
There's nothing wrong with what he said.

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>REFRESH
>REFRESH
>REFRESH
>REFRESH

;___; soon to be defaced by a nigger

>cucks gon cuck

>>2281363

He's barely done anything yet.

>>2281400

>Why isn't Hillary in jail though?

>>2283169
>this motherfucker made sure Spain was a third world country
Would you have preferred Spain to get involved in WW2 and have them rely on the Marshal Plan tugboat?

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>>2283158
>Ernesto "Che" motherfucking Guevara did LITERALLY everything wrong

>crude
>reportedly rarely bathed and smelled because of it
>dropped out of medical school
>always fighting for whoever will take him on because he was just a smelly unemployed drifter who enjoyed killing people who were bound and blindfolded
>trying to recreate the pathetic non-success that was the Cuban Revolution in other countries against real militaries and getting BTFO every single time due to his own ineptitude
>a communist
>BTFO intellectuals, industrialists, farmers, teenagers who spoke out of line or listened to American music
>bullets in the head of anybody Castro pointed at
>corrupted from the start
>anon how the fuck are you this deluded have you seen where he lived after the revolution?

unfortunately not an hero, the self-inflicted bullet wound he gave himself while waiting at the wrong beach during the Bay of Pigs Invasion missed his brain.

>>2280586
Once the hippies are dead, Kissenger will be remembered the way we remember Bismark or Richelieu.

>>2281380
other side of the wall for you

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Prove me wrong

>>2286082
You're russian

>>2283158
>fucked up a peasant rebellion in BOLIVIA

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Haters gonna hate

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Name 1 (one) thing.

>>2287441
EPA?

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>"I'M JUST A PATSY"

>>2280428
>make it your life's mission to root out commies
>accuse Hollywood of being filled with Reds
>not particularly good at your job so you kind of bumble around and ruin your own case
>Commiewood gets the last laugh

>>2280586
What did he think up that has impressed you so?

>>2283158
He hated niggers so OK in my book.

>>2287441
Violated the Logan act and lead to the continuation of the Vietnam war that killed many young Americans.

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Yet another reason to hate Belgium

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>>2280338

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>>2281602
fuck him he betrayed the based falange and instead turned Spain into a cuckservative dictatorship

>>2280516
You have a constitutional right to "flirt" with Communism or any other Ideology and McCarthy violated that to the extrene. He was an autistic retard and didn't catch a single spy and should have been jailed for abuse of office.
BACK TO L*DDIT

>>2281076
>Le Leftism is satanic meme
Conservatives

>>2286082
Litteraly worst civ

>>2291036
epic

>>2280599
C H I C K E N
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>>2280338
I hate this meme of claiming people who obviously did something wrong being touted as innocent. It was cancer when it was about Hitler and it's cancer now.

>>2291850
Muh stacked units

>>2292069
It's a joke you idiot, of course none of these people are 100% innocent. These threads have a purpose and actually lead to some good discussion: analyzing people that have been villified by history and pointing out how they're not quite so one-dimensionally the "bad guy" as they're often portrayed is

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>>2291036
>entire world backs Iraq against you
>Still force a stalemate and return to status quo ante
BASED KHOMEINI

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>This man is single-handedly blamed for the entire 1970s except a ten minute interlude where Edward Heath made Britain join the EU.
British politics is so painfully memetic. Callaghan is a nuanced and fascinating character, and the only person thusfar to have held all 4 great offices of state. The circumstances he inherited were global, and the country was in a better shape when he left power than when he took it.

It bothers me deeply that he may never get a proper verdict from history.

>>2287441
Ended Breton Woods.
I forgive him, though. That was a time-bomb set in the 40s.

Based Dick.

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Him. Literally nothing wrong.

>>2280338
Accusing people of shit they aren't doing isn't wrong

>>2280394
This is true, but it doesn't mean McCarthy was right, all it shows is that politicalfags have no problem when people from their side do the disgusting shit they complain about others doing.

>>2291850

literally the only civ that's actually enjoyable to play

>>2287769
You don't like the enviornment? Sorry I don't want to live in shithole dumps.

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>>2280338
>pic related

>>2284486
>Jackson
>Gets national debt to zero
>Gets national debt to zero because he hates the fed so much he shut them down by saying "sorry you dont exist anymore" and barred them from their buildings
>Gave all the money to the state banks
>State banks misuse said money and a recession follows

Yeah really good, even besides the Trail of Tears shit because this is 4chan and no one cares, Jackson was not that good, I'd go as far as to say he was batshit crazy.
Polk and Arthur the GOAT

>>2292718
Get out

>>2293104
I'll get out(put) by stimulating aggregate demand.