Chechen wars

>>2274187
The muzzies obviously, as with every other confrontation ever.

>>2274187
As much as i dislike Russia, the Chechens were very much in the wrong.

>>2274187
>First Chechen war
Federals, Dudayev did literally nothing wrong.
>Second Chechen war
Still Federals, apartment bombings accompanied by """military exercise""" with bags of """sugar""" were shady as hell
>Everything after
Basically everyone, it turned into one huge shitshow with Russians winning so hard they're essentially paying tribute to Chechens, Kadyrov and his goons having immunity to do whatever they please and the remnants of the opposition going full Islam and mostly shifting to Dagestan.
However, in the end Russia got what it wanted, it controls Caucasus using the old divide and conquer principle and any coherent anti-Russian opposition cannot rise up because everyone is divided, Russia is never stingy when it comes to pouring money into the region and they'll just be perceived as Islamic terrorists even though they have obvious reasons to oppose the status quo. Provided they're actually secular, that is, because Russians sponsor all kinds of radical movements there as well.

>>2274187
>Helicopter brought down.
>It clearly just landed.

A genuine nationalist would play the long game, tending to the economy and building up Chechen influence, but pseudonationalist thugs wanted to carve out power for themselves immediately.

>>2274187
1st Chechen War was Russia's equivalent of Desert Storm, only it didn't go nearly as well

>>2274315
Chechnya is rich as hell and something like 98% Chechen currently so it all worked out, didn't it?

>>2274261
This is why I thinks some wars are staged

>>2274261
That's why it says BROUGHT down as opposed to SHOT down.
Real technology isn't like a video game where thisngs will just explode into ashes. Chances are it got hit in the engine and had to auto-rotate down. Safe landing but in enemy terretory.

All true Americans know that there was only one time in history that it was permissible to declare your independence.

Every other time is wrong and fake.

t. hypocritical burgerfat

Chechen Heroes nationalistic ideas got sabotaged by wahhabist islamists from Arabia.
They had to stop at the first war after btfoing russia. At one point, dudaev was secular but then it all got ruined.

T. Secular turk

>>2274203
>pol
>>2274216
The opposite.

>>2274261
It was brought down, not shot down. You can find a video of it in YouTube, the occupants dead bodies were inside the helicopter.

>>2274315
>>2274323
Kinda, Kadyrov might act like he is loyal to Putin, but he does whatever he likes to.

>>2274261

>it didn't happen like in the movies so its not real lmao

>>2274261
retard

Federals and Wahhabis were in the wrong, secular Chechen nationalists (like Dudayev and Maskhadov) were in the right.

>>2274261
I feel like /his/ is getting more retarded by the day

>>2274633
The Chechens had representation in Russian government though, they just wanted their own county so they could go full Durka

>>2274187
Chechens fucked up.
>Chechens want independence
>Russians don't want, offer autonomy and tax reliefs instead
>Chechens agree and make autonomy
>all good
>Chechen nationalists still want independence and go full durka
>want to secede from Russia
>Russia sends army to prevent secession
>allahu ackbar echoes to other durka countries
>conflict escalates to jihad
>Russia loses because government is young and army is shit tier

>>2277810
>they just wanted their own county so they could go full Durka

But Ichkeria was a secular state and most of the leaders of Chechen separatists (at least during the Fisrt Chechen War) were non-observant Muslims. For example, Dudayev was married to a non-Muslim and Maskhadov used to regularly drink alchohol.

>>2274323

Not really, they are a welfare baby, the second Russian money stops coming in Kadyrov gets toppled and civil war kicks off again.

He is building vanity projects and not institutions that would lead to long term stability.

>>2274187
Mudslimes and Durkas are always in the wrong.

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There was no way for Chechnya to become anything but Islamist shithole in long run and a threat to everyone around.
All these Chechen loving fucks should spend some time around them.
Right now they are pacified, when time is right a more permanent solution will be needed.