High middle ages rankings (Europe)

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>>2262081
>Kingdom of the France

What is this shit?

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>>2262081
>England
I think you meant to say the, 'Angevin Empire' or 'Plantagenet Empire'.

>>2262123
Butthurt, /his/ style.

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>le Republic face

>>2262161
Is that Cathedral next to the tower? Gawd damn that is impressive.

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>>2262167
There's also this.

>>2262167
All the things that you have to see in Pisa are very close together.

>>2262081
>high middle ages
>russia

Ahistorical bullshit at its finest.

>>2262188
>Rus isn't Russia because it's name is written slightly different

>>2262200
It unironically isn't.

And it wasn't a unified state, or at least not in that territorial extent.

>>2262200
In 800 years people with your same mindset will post a "High Middle Ages" map with the everything west of Russia painted a single colour and labeled "European Union".

>>2262211
'Russia' is just a Latinization of the name Rus. It's a different version of the same word. You can say that modern Russia and Kievan Rus weren't the same thing, which is partially true, but that doesn't make the name Russia any less accurate. It's like complaining about the labeling Kingdom of Germany because it's not the same thing as modern Germany.

>And it wasn't a unified state, or at least not in that territorial extent
Hardly anything in that map was.

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>>2262081
>Norway
>Irrelevant
THEY HAD GREENLANDIC AND AMERICAN COLONIES REEEEEEEEE

>>2262249
>THEY HAD GREENLANDIC AND AMERICAN VILLAGES THAT WEREN'T SELFSUSTAINABLE
LMAO

>>2262265
>THAT WEREN'T SELFSUSTAINABLE
Only because of climate change and the end of the medieval warm period.

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>>2262265

>>2262283
The American ones were unsustainable due to scraelings wrecking their shit.

>>2262238
>Hardly anything in that map was.
Most of them nominally were. That wasn't the case with the various Rus principalities at all.

>'Russia' is just a Latinization of the name Rus.
It is not. Ruthenia is.

Russia is the Greek re-invention of that name pushed by Muscovy for their state far later on. To speak of a "Russia" any time before the 14th (and arguably the 17th...) centuries is ahistorical.

>>2262324
*And even then Rus and Russia are distinct even in modern Russian, just like it was throughout history since the invention of the latter term.

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>Castille
>god tier for some goddamned unknown reason

>Portugal decent
>Aragon garbage tier
>actually completely expelled the moors
>actually important commercially and spread throughout the seas

Dude, like, fuck off.

>>2262081
>Venice and the other maritime republcs
>irrelevant

>>2262081
Before Navas de Tolosa, all the Christian kingdoms of Iberia were pretty shitty. The Almoravids were maybe decent, but the Almohads turned pretty bad pretty quick.

>>2262238
Russia is called Ruthenia in latin, Russia is a Renaissance word.
Old Norse > Old Slavic > Latin = Ruthenia
Old Norse > Old Slavic > Medieval Greek > Latin = Russia

>>2262403
>Castille
>>god tier for some goddamned unknown reason
>Controlled the English channel
>Defeated the Hanseatic league
>Conquered Toledo
>The school of translators for which we recieved most of our knowledge from the classical world for
>Conquer Toledo
>Won Navas de Tolosa
>Conquered Seville
>Destroyed the Almohads
>First standarized language in Europe
>First proffesional army and navy since the Roman Empire
>Aragon
>Conquer nothing until Castillians blew the Almohads out of the picture
>Decentralized chaotic mess
>WE WUZ GNOSTICS AND SHIT
>Muret
>Declare war on Castile during a civil war
>BTFO by the Castillian royal guard of the losing side of the civil war
>Cucked out of the mediterranean by Genova a tiny city state
>Cucked out of the Atlantic
>Get BTFO by France constantly
>Peasants revolt anually as serfdom in Aragon is as bad as in Russia
>Get blown the fuck out in Italy
>Fernando sends his wife's troops to win the war for his pathetic kingdom
Aragon was a mistake

>>2264107
>Before Navas de Tolosa, all the Christian kingdoms of Iberia were pretty shitty
Castille had the school of translators and the biggest fleet in the Atlantic. That alone makes them god tier.

Why almohades? They were sandnigger tier compared to andalus

>>2264426
>tier compared to andalus
t.know nothing about the period. The capital of the Almohades was Sevilla you fucking twat. Al andalus as a political entity never existed reddit

>>2264372
>Defeated the Hanseatic league
?

>>2262403
You don't know much about Castile outside "muh aljubarota".

>>2262081
Norway had a crusade too, can they into relevance?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Crusade

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>>2262081
>"""Russia"""

>>2264884
>Defeated the Hanseatic league
The second of battle of La Rochelle (1419) in which the Castillian fleet destroyed the English and hanseatic's combined fleet and then went and burnt some fleet villages including Gravesend that is pretty close to London.The Castillian campaign in the Atlantic is a pretty interesting sub-plot inside the HYW if you are interested

>>2262081
>Byzantine Empire
Kek, no cartographer worth their trade would put that shlock on a map, a term made up in the 19th century to differentiate the Roman Empire of Cesar's time to the one that survived to 1452. Same fucking country, a-historical shit.

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>>2262081
>Pretty bad tier
>Scotland

Calm down Edward II or you're going to get BTFOd again

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>>2262081
How did the HRE get BTFO si hard in few centuries?

>>2262081
My autism can't stand this american talking like he knows shit about history
Assuming the high middle ages is 1100-1400, judging on their achievements (Byzantines are in Significant tier because they didn't achieve anything, they were just declining at this point)

God tier:
Mongols
House of Capet (/Anjou)
House of Plantagenet
Pope
House of Hohenstaufen

Significant tier:
Byzantine Empire
House of Arpad (Hungary)
House of Piast (Poland)
House of Ivrea (Castille)
House of Estridsen (Denmark)
Teutonic Order

Honorary mentions:
House of Habsbourg
Republic of Venice
Republic of Genoa
Mamluks dynasty
Ayyubid dynasty
Almohad dynasty
Republic of Novgorod
Grand duchy of Vladimir/Moscow
House of Luxemburg
House of Stauf
House of Wittelsbach

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>>2265096
Forgot Hansa in honorary mentions. I also admit that i know shit about British isles history, but i don't think that Scottish or Irish really bothered anyone at that time, so it doesn't matter.

>>2262081
ok I can understand the HRE is too much of a clusterfuck to be detailed, but... "Russia"? Really?

>>2265096
>House of Ivrea
You don't even know your dinasties

>>2264980
Gradual decline and the Peace of Westphalia.

>>2265123
Before modern political correctness, Russia and Rus' were used interchangeably in English.

>>2265152
Tbh i just googled random Castillian ruler and wrote his house down there. I just know Castille was on the rise at that time, but it felt that if i started with writing out houses instead of countries, i should stick to it.

>>2262081
>Almohads
>decent tier
The fuck?

Anyway bump hungary up to decent tier and put Almohads in dogshit tier and you got it right.

>>2262188
Why aren't you complaining about him using the term Europe then?

>>2265169
>Tbh i just googled random Castillian ruler and wrote his house down there. I just know Castille was on the rise at that time, but it felt that if i started with writing out houses instead of countries, i should stick to it.
I mean you were close it was a female branch of the House of Ivrea. But it was called the house of Burgandy

>>2264980
When i think about it, the biggest factor might have been Investiture Controversy. Pope was undermining Imperial Authority and partially also because of his influence, there wasn't any continuity in ruling dynasty of HRE. No wonder nobles quickly lost the need to listen to the Emperor. By the time Habsbourgs, as finally a stable and strong house, took over, it was already too late and the various princes were already pretty independent.

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>>2262081
The true list of ranks
God Tier:
Ρωμαϊkή Αυτοkρατορία
Barbarian Tier:
all others

>>2262265
>500 years of colonozing Greenland
>greenland becomes Danish-Norwegian land later on in history

>>2264980
HRE could've continued if napoleon didnt dismantle it
Sometimes i wish for a new HRE, this time with better Policies

>>2264980
why was austria the emperor but they dont have all their territory in the HRE?

>>2264952
not the guy you responded to, but thanks, sounds interesting

>>2265106
>Copenhagen
>Hansastad

what the hell, explain this heresy

>>2265443
why wouldnt it be?

>>2264980
Increasing particularism got the better of it. The worst decision was probably the formal instituting of the prince-electors which enabled these guys to basically blackmail the would-be king into granting them certain kingly privileges. This process slowly erroded the king's power and made the electors the key players.

>Prussia
were electors as Margraves of Brandenburg

>Austria
were electors as Kings of Bohemia

>Saxony
were electors as dukes of Meissen

>Bavaria
were electors as counts palatine of the Rhine

>>2265443
They sacked it. And put a commercial hub there or something

>>2262081
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>>2265611
>Le meme french man XD

>>2264980

A combination of >>2265199 and >>2265463 resulted in what once was Barbarossa's HRE becoming the
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and then eventually losing a nice chunk of its western clay to France or new separate states like Switzerland and Holland.

Franks are overrated desu.

>>2262081
You should read more about the Crown of Aragon. They were the ones that lead to the Habsburg empire across Europe to encircle France on all fronts.

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>>2266863
>They were the ones that lead to the Habsburg empire across Europe to encircle France on all fronts.
Holy fuck anon you made me laugh hard.Aragon was totally pointless in the scheme of the Habsburgs.They had barely any proffesional troops,the laws were too rigid and barely could raise any funds.It was so pathetic that Ferdinand the king of Aragon send Castillian troops,generals,fleets and weapons to fight in his Italian possesions.The crown of Aragon was a joke since it conception

>>2262081
>Russia
Again. Who the fuck makes these shit maps?

>>2267295
Wikipedia has it in the front page