Why did the celts get BTFO so hard? It was a sad destiny

>>2255970
It blows my mind that there were Celts in Anatolia and north of Crimea.

Supposedly Celts are responsible for chainmail and the shields the Greeks used.
Even if Germanics come in like a storm, I'd expect there to be more Celtic nations left other than Ireland.

>>2255970

Most "Celts" were actually cucks who just learned some proto-Hitlerspeak developed in Austria in the 5th century BC.
These same cucks naturally switched over to other languages without putting up a fight.
Just look at Ireland.

>>2255970
>It blows my mind that there were Celts in Anatolia and north of Crimea.
The Galatians in the Bible were Celts.

>>2255988
Ireland didn't become majority English speaking until the 1850s m8

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>>2255991
Please tell me this isn't true

>>2255998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_(people)

>>2255983
>the shields

No

>>2256060
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Galatians

>>2256063
I was a goof and forgot about a whole book in the bible.

The idea that Celts are in the bible is just too cool for me.

>>2256075
The Galatians are also, in fact, Gauls we had resettled in Anatolia.

>>2255993
source?

>>2256532
>being retarded
Dude the Irish language was only replaced because of
1. Fammine
2. Free schools with the English language taught there

>>2256536
>ask for source
>YOU'RE A RETARD
cite your claim or gb2 Reddit

>>2256540
Dude it's common knowledge, if you ask for a source on literally everything said just to prove your point you're a spastic
also
>calling everyone and everything you don't like reddit

>>2255970
Ever seen a Celtic woman and a Celtic man? The woman has all the fire until you booze up the man. Then he finds his balls, but can't do anything with them. The entirety of their war strategy throughout most of time has been, "lets get' em." As we see all across history, any society/culture that the men are that lackluster in society building, technology and warfare gets trampled.

Great music, beautiful stories and art, can't stop from being fucked up the ass against their will.

Doesn't help they weren't a unified culture. The Roman's fought them one at a time and picked apart lose confederations. A real army with logistics will trump tribal warriors every time.

Even in afgahinsatn or vietnam for a modern example. The US rarely lost a fight but could not kill them fast enough or alter their society sufficiently to prevent new warriors from spawning

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>>2255998

I find them fascinating. I love bizarre fish-out-of-water enclaves.

Galatians were very popular mercenaries for the Hellenistic Kingdoms in the near east.

>>2256031
>Thureos

>>2256532
How do you not know this?

>>2257931
>spouts outdated anti-Irish English propaganda
Really gets the almonds activated

>>2258118
What I want to know is how the hell did they get there in the first place. This is some Looney Toons shit

>>2258187
Remnants of an invasion force

>>2258187

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Eastern_Europe

Pretty neat story.

>>2255983
Could I have a source for taht chain mail claim? I'd love to boast about it to this guy I know.

>>2258345
Common misconception. Sets have been found in Dacian and Etruscan sites that predate the earliest Celtic finds.

>>2255991
>The Galatians
That was who he was talking about with Anatolia.

>>2258187
Ever heard of walking and boats?

>>2258187
Migrations weren't all that uncommon back then, both Celtic and Germanic tribes/confederations moved whenever their homeland got too hard for them to live on. They originally went to Thrace and then tried to invade Greece but got their shit handed to them, so they kept moving until they could settle a place where they could beat back the natives.

>>2258118
>I love bizarre fish-out-of-water enclaves.
>Crimean goths died out in the 19th century
>Kafiristan was conquered
>berberpagans on the canary islands are no more

At least Basques, Kalmyks and Haitivodooans are still there.

>>2256532
Raymond Hickey's book The English Language in Ireland

>>2259573
>tfw no Greeks in Afghanistan these days

I get the most massive history boner thinking about a timeline in which the 19th century British get to northern India, start sending scouts into Afghanistan, and find Greco-bactrian kingdoms: still building parthenon-style buildings, worshipping Zeus, performing Aristophanes plays, and generally maintaining little islands of ancient Greek civilisation constantly under siege from Muslim tribes.

Basically like The Land That Time Forgot, only with Greeks instead of dinosaurs.

>>2259573
Basques are mostly a joke these days. Too much western cultural influence, poor things. At least the language is still alive.

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>>2255970

Dumb thread, is dumb.

>>2256536
>>2256532
>>2255993

The French and English standardized their languages, eliminating the small localized languages.

The Irish didn't speak one language, they spoke several dialects of Gaelic, this has left a legacy of extremely contrasting accents in disparate parts of the Island.

Most regions of Europe have this phenomenon, but the French and English were more militaristic in standardizing their languages into the regions.

>>2255970
>the celts get BTFO so hard


In Galatia Pergamon hired Baltic Celts to defeat the Galatians.

In Northern Italy, Celtic peoples adopted the Latin culture, just as the Etruscans did.

Celtic and Latin are twins on the language tree.

>>2259999
There was a Tarzan book (one of the originals by Burroughs, same guy from The Land That Time Forgot) where he finds a lost roman civilization hidden somewhere in the middle east that goes by just how you described, still living according to their times, oblivious to the fact that their ancestors are gone and the world has moved on. Cool shit.

>>2255983
>I'd expect there to be more Celtic nations left other than Ireland

Wales.

>>2260003
It was at risk to dissapear, but they made a come back and now you can even find some descendents from Andalucians immis talking basque.

>>2259999
quality quads

>>2260161
that's cool. But the Greco-Bactrian kingdoms actually existed for hundreds of years, whereas the Romans never got that far - Greek culture surviving in isolated areas of central asia until the 19th century almost sounds like it could actually have happened. (after all, there are still a handful of Greek speakers left over from the Greek colonies in Italy to this day.)

>>2260433
It should totally be the official language of Spain. Romance languages fuck off.

>>2260052
I will never get over the fact that we know next to nothing about the languages and culture of the people who lived in Europe before the iron age.

>>2255970
They never occupied such big territory as that map implies to begin with

>>2262132
We know Basque.

Lack of solid continuity in government /society. Everyone raided each other and backstabbed and shit. Really only gaf about the greater "celtdom" when it came down to the wire and then that didn't pan out. E.g. vercingetorix

>>2258182
just wait until he finds out about welsh

>>2256540
Same as >>2257698...
how the heck is that "reddit"?

>>2260064
Even today Scots Gaelic is absolutely retarded.
I learned BBC Gaelic, but found out I can't communicate with Gaelic speakers in Canada because they have a completely different dialect, and when I go to Scotland each region is different.
Blows my mind how such small regions speak so differently.

>>2255970
France is primarily Celtic
England is primarily Celtic
Spain is primarily Celtic
Austria is primarily Celtic
Germany is over half Celtic
Scandinavia has some Celtic DNA although this can be chalked up to thralls.
Scotland, Ireland, Wales, obviously very Celtic
The Celts still control most of Europe.
R1b is the trademark "Celtic" DNA, this is prevalent in Western Europe.
Germanic DNA exists only in Scandinavia and there are very few true Germanics left.
If we talk about language then Germanic language is very widespread and the same goes for the Romance languages of the Mediterraneans.
But the Latins too have R1b in high quantities.
Germanics gave their language and part of the their culture.
it was the Celts who build Europe.
They weren't BTFO, they absorbed everyone else.
>>2257931
>"lets get' em."
Best strategy.
>>2259561
>tried to invade Greece but got their shit handed to them
You do realize they burned Delphi and defeated the Greek confederation at Thermopylae?
They did with a few thousand what a few million could not.
They were a raiding party and they presented a very real existential crisis to the Greeks.
They raided, lost men, and decided it wasn't worth losing more just to settle.
So they continued east and settled in central Anatolia.

>>2260003
And soon the bomb will be too!

>>2259999
This film literally has everything you described in it "the man who would be king" it's a great little history buff adventure, with Sean Connery and Micheal Caine.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0073341/

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>>2263284

>>2263284
>You do realize they burned Delphi
No primary source mentions the burning of Delphi, only that the Gauls were defeated there.
> and defeated the Greek confederation at Thermopylae?
If by "defeated" you mean the Gauls instead went around to attack Aetolian villages defending by women and children, only to lose there, and return to Thermopylae to find it abandoned and for them to pass through, then yeah they won that battle.
>They did with a few thousand what a few million could not.
Who had millions?
>They were a raiding party and they presented a very real existential crisis to the Greeks.
Their army that invaded Macedon the previous year numbered 80,000+, even the third of that which Brennus personally led would have been a serious threat to anyone in the region.

>>2263284
You clearly don't understand what the term 'Celtic' means. R1b is not the trademark celtic gene marker. R1b is associated with an Atlantic neolithic-bronze age culture that long predates the Indo-European invasions (remember, the celtic language has its origins in central asia or the eastern black sea region).

>>2263464
yes, almost and that's where I got the idea. But in The Man Who Would Be King the Greeks are only a half remembered legend carried on by the local Afghan priesthood. I'm talking about a true, Greek speaking, successor state

>>2263534
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennus_(3rd_century_BC)
>implying the Greeks would give accounts of their utter and totally non-heroic defeats
Angry Theban detected.
The Persians were as numerous as the seas
>but modern estimates
no primary source states the Persians did not number in the millions.
In fact the sources say the Persians were at least in the millions.
>their army that invaded Macedon
who cares, they were a migrating tribe looking for easy targets, it just so happens the Greeks are just easy targets for strong and superior Northern Europeans.
>mfw Greek cucks
>>2263536
That's not true or at least its not the whole story.
We only saw Celtic culture arise where we had high concentrations of R1b.
The origin of Celtic language being non-European doesn't mean the Celts were indo-euros, the Celts certainly aren't Germanic yet plenty of Celtic countries speak Germanic languages, Austria for example speaks German and French has more than a few German elements.
Same for the U.K. and Ireland.
The language might come from somewhere different, but the people, the people were always in Europe and always in areas where Celtic culture was dominant.
R1b is still the dominant Haplogroup in Western Europe today and has even expanded into areas that were previously dominated by I1.

>>2263624
>We only saw Celtic culture arise where we had high concentrations of R1b.
That's not true either. The Celtic culture arose in southern Germany or the northern alps - R1b is more associated with the Atlantic coast. The modern day celtic remnants are all in R1b areas, but that's just because the central core of celtic culture was taken over by the Romans and Germanic tribes.

>The origin of Celtic language being non-European doesn't mean the Celts were indo-euros
The people might only have had traces of Indo-European ancestry, but it does mean Celtic is an Indo-European culture.

The term 'celtic' can be used in terms of a (now all but extinct) cultural group, but it doesn't fit well with any genetically determined racial group. The French, British, German, etc people whose ancestors would have been Celts also have European ancestors who pre-dated the celts arrival, so if you're going to go by lineage rather than current cultural group, why stop at celt, rather than go all the way back to Europe's pre-celtic roots.

>>2263284
Genes don't make you Celtic.
Genealogy isn't ethnology.

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>>2263284
>Germanic DNA exists only in Scandinavia and there are very few true Germanics left.

>>2263705
You do realize over half of Germany is R1b right?
The Alps have very few I1s and Germany has more but not as much as we theorize they used to.
Scandinavia is the only population with significant numbers of I1.
R1b is most heavily concentrated on the Atlantic coast.
But we find it to be the majority throughout Western and Central and sometimes Southern Europe.
Celtic really isn't an indo-euro culture.
Celtic as we know it began with Halstatt culture which we don't know where that came from but we know it was concentrated in Austria.
The language was probably influenced greatly to the point of no greatly distinguished forms from indo-euro language.
It fits quite well with the R1b group since Celtic culture and the longest running conception of Celtic language not only arose out of R1b but existed within R1b groups.
Perhaps there were some linguistic cultural Celts in the Hindu-Kush or something outlandish, but Celtic as we know it, as a defined term can be pinned upon R1b.
R1b isn't a racial group btw...
>Celts arrival
You mean the arrival of what the ethnic Celts adopted what would become what we understand to be Celtic language.
By arguing a language and people are synonymous and thus the Celts as we know them are indo-euros one might easily make the argument that everyone is really just some early proto-communication or something. It's a logical stretch.
The Celts, as in R1b and the greatest promulgators of Celtic culture, were always in Europe. (not technically but you know what I mean)

>>2255970
They were too tribalistic-nationalistic which impeded from uniting against common enemies like Rome and the Germans.

>>2263717
Genes do make you Celtic...
If you're descended from Celts, you're a Celt.
Celt, as I've established is an ethnic group.
That is the greatest and most concise understanding of the term "Celt".
Were there Cultural Celts outside of this group?
Absolutely, but the genetic group that most identifies with Celtic culture and language is the R1b haplogroup.
>>2263720
>having traces of Germanic DNA makes you a full Germanic
Literally "He shares half a haplotype with us, full blooded German prince." tier.
Notice how the Germanic peoples who carried I1 migrated in wave after wave across Europe, yet outside of Scandinavia and Northern Germany they are not only a minority but a very significant one, to the point where they probably have Scandi genes but not even the haplotype.
And even then, the genes get fewer and fewer.
With the migrations, Germans should have taken over Europe genetically.
They didn't and instead actually lost ground.
Germany has more Celts than Germanics.
In terms of Genes of course.

>>2263756
>literally every time they clashed with Romans it was an agglomeration of tribes and chiefdoms

>>2263720
>Germanic genes
>Include Celtic R1B and Slavic R1A Pre Indo-European I1


LMAO

You G*rmanics are just Celto-Slavic-Nordic bastards

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You got it the wrong way - the Latins defeated the celts and used them to build Latin cities and temples. Besides, we sill don't know Roman Y-DNA.
God damn Celts, GET OUT OF THRACE REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2263774
t. never read Gallic Wars


Ceasar defeated the Britons and Gaulish tribes one by one, and sided with the Aedui against the other Gaulish tribes. The Gauls "barely" united when it was too late.

I find it pretty cool reading about the Galatians in Caesar's Commentari and then again in the Bible like 100 years later. The attention to detail is incredible.

>>2263793
And Vercingetorix and his Gaulish Confederation weren't that weak, its just that Caesar was a good general. If only they had let him go east to fight the Parthians...

>>2263781
>You G*rmanics are just Celto-Slavic-Nordic bastards
pls stop
>>2263793
t. I think the Gallic wars refutes the examples of Celtic confederations
stop
You do realize the Gauls weren't the only Celtic peoples, right?
>Irish
>Scots
>Britons
>various Franco-Germanic principalities
>Spain
>>2263786
>Roman Y-DNA
R1b
They are just swarthier Celts.
>>2263804
>If only they had let him go east to fight the Parthians...
...He would have gotten slaughtered same as Crapssus.
Literally camel-trains of nothing but arrows.

>>2263816

germanics are swarthy

>>2263771
>If you're descended from Celts, you're a Celt.
>Celt, as I've established is an ethnic group.
>That is the greatest and most concise
>An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities, such as common ancestral, language, social, cultural or national experiences.[1][2]
Ethnicity is primarily a cultural thing. You might day that "ancestral" might hold weight, but ancestry in most minds is a matter where their way of life came from, not a haplogroup.
When you live life speaking a Romance language, eating Mediterranean food, in romance architecture, the populace will believe their lineage came from Latins. Ethnicity is a manner of living, not haplogroups.

Folks had ethnicities before they had knowledge of genes. You weren't a Hittite because you sent a cheek swab into 23andme for 99.99$.

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>>2263816
West and South belong to the French, East to the Poles, and North to the Danes.

>>2263823
>germanics are swarthy
Take that back.
>>2263846
>implying Haplogroups aren't what people mean when they say "forefathers"
>implying Haplogroup relations to culture aren't stronger than "ethnic" group relations
The R1b haplogroup in the case of Europe is genetically and ethnically pretty much indistinguishable despite regional differences which do not constitute cultural differences, this is to say familial differences.

>>2263858
That one's going to cut pretty deep.
This kills the neo-nazi

>>2263859
>>implying Haplogroup relations to culture aren't stronger than "ethnic" group relations
But you even admitted they had different cultures. Germanic cultures are not Germanic if they don't have your haplogroup is what you're saying.
>The R1b haplogroup in the case of Europe is genetically and ethnically pretty much indistinguishable despite regional differences which do not constitute cultural differences, this is to say familial differences.
But they clearly fucking do, seeing as how all but the fringes of the Atlantic coast have any Celtic culture, while the rest have been assimilated into Germanic or Romance ethnicities.

>>2263846
no it's not.

it's a geneological thing.

a negro droppe into england as a baby in teh 12 th century would not be an anglo saxon.

and if an anglo saxon baby were kidnapped by barbary pirates and ended raised in an ottoman household, he would not retroactively become turkic.

it's decided by ancestry and therefore genes.

and obvously they did nothave dna tests but they did have an idea about ancestry.

>>2263920
Did you just ignore the cited definition of ethnicity or what?

The reason the negro wouldn't be accepted would be because the whole of the community would be reminded by his dark skin that he didn't share ancestry with them. That's because of identity, not genealogy. A Polanian family washing up on Mercia's shores that goes on to assimilate into the Anglo ethnicity, and drop all culture of their Polanian "heritage" would be assimilated by the next generation.

You had to leap to the farthest disparity possible, but even then that's because physical appearance provides a constant reminder, not because of genealogy.

>but they did have an idea about ancestry
Which is why all southern Germany and England identify as Gaulic and Brythonic people rather than as Englishmen and Germans, right? Because they're Celtic because of genes and know it, right? No?

Look up genealogy.
Look up ethnology.
Notice how they are different.

>>2263993
>The reason the negro wouldn't be accepted
You fail to understand that a Nation is a group of people who share the same ancestry, and that Celts aren't a culture but a nation, thus there will never be BLACK CELTS.

You need to delete the Civic Nationalist bullshit out of your mind.

>>2264045
>a Nation is a group of people who share the same ancestry
Except that pretty much every genetic study ever shows this to be bullshit.

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>>2264059
>shows this to be bullshit.

Nope

>>2264111
Basques aren't Celts.

>>2264334
They're Celts rape babies as their genetic prove it

>>2264342
>celts adopting proto-indo-european
Or maybe they're basque rapebabies.
In any casw, they're not celts, they're basques.

>>2264360
>Welsh(Celts) have the most R1B
>The most diversified European R1B area is in France-Gaul(daily reminder that birthplace of an haplogroup is determined by where the said haplogroup is the most diversified)
>R1B is Basque

You're in denial lad

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>>2264360
As i see it

Indo-European Hittites aka Trojans fled after the destruction of Troy and then stayed in Northern France-Netherland before migrating once again towards Britain, Italy, Germany, and Spain

>>2264396
Retard

>>2264708
Not an argument

Meanwhile :
The Hittites (c. 2000-1178 BCE) were the first Indo-Europeans to defy (and defeat) the mighty Mesopotamian and Egyptian empires. There are two hypotheses regarding the origins of the Hittites. The first is that they came from the eastern Balkans and invaded Anatolia by crossing the Bosphorus. That would mean that they belonged either to the L23* or the Z2103 subclade. The other plausible scenario is that they were an offshoot of the late Maykop culture, and that they crossed the Caucasus to conquer the Hattian kingdom (perhaps after being displaced from the North Caucasus by the R1a people of the griffin Catacomb culture). In that case the Hittites might have belonged to the R1b-M269* or the R1b-M73 subclade. The first hypothesis has the advantage of having a single nucleus, the Balkans, as the post-Yamna expansion of all Indo-European R1b. The Maykop hypothesis, on the other hand, would explain why the Anatolian branch of IE languages (Hittite, Luwian, Lydian, Palaic) is so archaic compared to other Indo-European languages, which would have originated in Yamna rather than Maykop.
There is substantial archaeological and linguistic evidence that Troy was an Indo-European city associated with the steppe culture and haplogroup R1b. The Trojans were Luwian speakers related to the Hittites (hence Indo-European), with attested cultural ties to the culture of the Pontic-Caspian steppe. The first city of Troy dates back to 3000 BCE, right in the middle of the Maykop period. Troy might have been founded by Maykop people as a colony securing the trade routes between the Black Sea and the Aegean. The founding of Troy happens to coincide exactly with the time the first galleys were made. Considering the early foundation of Troy, the most likely of the two Indo-European paternal haplogroups would be R1b-M269 or L23.
https://vieilleeurope.wordpress.com/2015/11/26/the-hittites-r1b-chariots-iron-the-first-indo-euro-writing/

>>2264045
>a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
So EVERYONE has to have the same haplogroup to form an ethnicity, all R1B, with absolutely no regard for the tangible aspects of ethnicity that is made clear to be culture.

You throw definitions out the fucking window to fit your notions.

>>2255970
No centralization at all, effectively an unconscious blob of tribes

>>2264953
>fit your notions.
Y-haplogroup is transmited from father to son and the original carrier of R1B-M269 was obviously the ANCESTOR OF THE CELTS

>>2264973
What of history, culture, or language?
Notions of ancestry in a national consciousness do not neatly fall alongside haplogroups.

I fucking GUARANTEE you that there were ancient Gauls without R1B.

By absolutely no definition of ethnicity or nation is it defined solely by a genealogical haplogroup.

>>2264997
>Notions of ancestry in a national consciousness do not neatly fall alongside haplogroups.

It doesn't orignally, but if you want to go beyond the "Myth of Ancestry" you must use genetics to either confirm or infirm your claim, and surprisingly enough, the claim of the Celts(by race) was revealed to be true unlike the claim of the Germanics who are in fact a mix of R1B, R1A, and I1, contrary to the Celts who are mostly(70% + on average) R1B

>By absolutely no definition of ethnicity or nation is it defined solely by a genealogical haplogroup.

It is

This is why you have French claiming Celtic ancestry, Galicians claiming Celtic ancestry, or even English claiming Celtic Ancestry despite they do not speak a Celtic language or have a Celtic culture.

"Celt" unlike "German" or "Slav" is purely racial.

>>2265051
>Celts who are mostly(70% + on average) R1B
>"Celt" unlike "German" or "Slav" is purely racial.
>purely
I didn't know "purely" means about 70%.

>>2265051
>This is why you have French claiming Celtic ancestry, Galicians claiming Celtic ancestry, or even English claiming Celtic Ancestry despite they do not speak a Celtic language or have a Celtic culture.
And that's wewuzery

>It is
Provide it

>you must use genetics to either confirm or infirm your claim
Ancestry is only part of ethnicity
So what about those 30% others who are not R1B despite being identical to their neighbors? Are they separate ethnicity?

>>2265051
>>2264973
>>2264045
>>2263859
You sound like an American trying to claim ebin celtic heritage without living like a Celt in any tangible way

>>2265059
The 30% are mostly composed of Germanic invaders, pre Indo-European natives, they are clearly distinguishable from the Celts and aren't considered as Celts.


Meanwhile, the Germans are so mixed they don't have a prevalent haplogroup-ancestry, and basically anyone speaking a Germanic language will be considered as Germanic.

>>2265059
And 70% is an average, but untainted place like Wales (as an example) is 92% R1B.

>>2265051
> French
>they do not speak a Celtic language or have a Celtic culture.
Brittanny exist anon. Also the french language itself have gaulish influence

>>2265079
>and aren't considered as Celts.
By whom? You? Is there any actual Celt other than faggots on internet forums who has ever considered those other-haplogroup guys non-Celts?

>>2265079
>they are clearly distinguishable from the Celts and aren't considered as Celts.
No they're not, since they all share the same culture, language, religion, and other ethnic traits.
Do you have gene-vision?

>>2265088
Gaulish is a dead language, like all Continental Celtic.
Brittany are Brythonic refugees from later in time.

>>2265089
No, you see, unless an Irishman has R1B he's not a Celt in his eyes.
It's fucking inane.

>>2265089
>By whom? You?
By anyone with a bit of knowledge on Haplogroup.


>>2265094
>Do you have gene-vision?
Their phenotype is clearly unceltic

>>2265101
It isn't insanity, it is realism.

R1B-M269 carriers are Celts.

>>2265107
>Their phenotype is clearly unceltic
And what might these phenotypes be?
Slavs, Celts, Germanics, these are all visually identical to one another.

>>2265117
So the Irishman is not a Celt while some Austrian is?

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>>2265133
>Austrians
You mean Norici

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>>2263705
The ancient Britons(Irish) traded technologically with Europe in the early period.

Take the nebra Sky Disc from 1600BC in Germany, Gold and Tin was used in the smelting that originated in Cornwall.

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>>2265155
cont-

The British (Irish) had a thriving metal working culture in this period.

pic related is a sword (rapier) from around 1500 BC in Ireland, which was the longest sword ever forged at the period, in Europe.

>>2264805
There's no proof whatsoever of troyans being r1b and while it's likely that They spoke luwian because of that one(1) seal found in the city, it still is unconfirmed and even so luwian is Not a celtic language

>>2265146
Yeah I'm fucking done. Go LARP away from /his/.

>>2265170
>Celebrating my Celtic genes
>LARPing as a Celts

Pick one

>>2255970
>literally the only celts that are independent and have their own state speak english

JUST

>>2265177
>their own state

You mean ireland. Wales and Scotland are not real states, they are just called states as a form of self-esteem boosting for their mongoloid inhabitants.

Brittany is as much a state as either one, and it doesn't speak English.

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>>2265173
>Celebrating my Celtic genes
Holy shit, you really are some fucking American trying to LARP muh heritage, aren't you? My sides are in orbit

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>>2265173
This is a (you) racket, isn't it?

>>2265183
>t. non Celt

We rule the World, and it is the Celtic R1B Master Race who contributed the most to Mankind without us you would be uncivilized apes .

>>2265182
Ireland is the 1 (one) fully independent """""Celtic"""""" nation.

>>2265182
>you mean ireland

What part of

>literally the only celts that are independent and have their own state speak english

you didn't understand?

>>2265155
>>2265165

Let me reword that.

The original object was produced with materials gathered from Cornwall, then later on, Gold from Austria was used to rework the object.

This shows how Britons moved to Germany and then used local minerals to rework their goods. (hypothetical)

Celts are a northern branch of the autochthonous Albanian population that was here before Indo-Europeans ruined everything. But now Celts are all tricked by Germans and French and English into rejecting their Albanian origin.

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>>2265193

>>2265202
No, it doesn't show that "Brits" moved there at all, Scandinavian bronze swords were Made with Sardinian copper during the same Age and I doubt Sardinians moved to Scandinavia to make the swords

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>>2263624
Haplogroups don't mean shit, you ignorant plastic paddy.

Truth is, Celts were disorganized and feral primitives who were good at metallurgy and bad at everything else. Hence why they always got their asses kicked by the Romans and later the Germanic peoples such as the Franks and Anglo-Saxons.

The only Celtic regions left in Europe are Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man, Wales, and small regions of France (Brittany) and Spain (Galicia).

Celts were not this great civilization nor were they some kind of European master race. They were quite the opposite on both ends.

I'm of almost exclusively insular Celtic blood (Irish Catholic and Scots-Irish/Ulster Scots) and Plastic Paddies/Celtic Romanticists who like to LARP like they're pic related always piss me off.

Just accept the fact that the Greeks, Romans, and Germanics were better than you at civilization. Though I will admit that the Celts were good at metalworking and also great at poetry and art, so not all is lost.

>>2265223
>Truth is, Celts were disorganized and feral primitives who were good at metallurgy and bad at everything else. Hence why they always got their asses kicked by the Romans and later the Germanic peoples such as the Franks and Anglo-Saxons.
bait.

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>>2265193
>Celts
>civilized

Pick one, profligate

>>2265232
It may be bait, but someone has to give this Plastic Paddy American LARP'er a reality check.

>>2265232
But it's 100% true.

>>2264378
It doesn't matter.
They went with the masculine basque culture instead of the feminine celt culture.
They're basques. Not celts.

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>>2265240
>>2265237

You could say the same of the Greeks, or Etruscans.


pic related are the Gallo languages of the world, notice the cut off on the Apennines.

Italy is two lands, those above the mountains where the people are most prosperous, and those in the south.

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>>2265223
>Germanic peoples such as the Franks
NO SUCH THING

BLOND HAIRED NIGGERS CAN FUCK OFF AND RETURN IN THEIR SWAMPS

>>2265240
>>2265254

You sir, are absolute proof that babies can be conceived through anal sex.

>>2263771
This is a very Americanised way of thinking. You should understand that ethnicity is a cultural complex that may or may not emphasize ancestry to a degree, but that equating ancestry with ethnicity is mistaken - not to mention equating it with modern genetics.

>>2265257
You can't deny who you are.

>>2265257
What did he mean by this

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>>2265291
I don't deny our Φραγkο blood aka Φρυγία aka Trojan.

>>2265296
>French Nobility is Frankish
>Nobility is Brown or Dark haired

>"French" serfs are blond haired
>Celts and Germanics are blond haired
>"French" serfs are Celto-Germanic

French are mostly brown haired, therefore French aren't Celts or Germanics but Frank-Trojan.

>>2265325
Have you not read the sources on Geoffrey of Monmouth?

The ancient Britons also traced their origins to Trojans.

See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Brittonum

> The Historia Brittonum describes the supposed settlement of Britain by Trojan expatriates and states that Britain took its name after Brutus, a descendant of Aeneas.


Many of the place names are related to Phoenicians, Britain has a history with the Phoenicians.

>>2265343
>Geoffrey of Monmouth
Thanks I will check it

>>2255983
Galicia is Celtic too! I'm sorry were so different.

>>2265377
You ain't shit except rightful Portuguese clay

>>2265377
You were *this* close to staying alive as Celts.
At least the Cornish are performing ethnic CPR and reintroducing their language. I don't believe Galacians can do such a thing.

>>2263874
I'm not using an absolute principle of division you dingus, I'm talking about general association.

>modern Celtic culture is the defining factor of Celtic culture
Celtic culture was widespread throughout Europe. Germany, Austria, France, Spain, and England are more akin to eachother in culture and genetics than they are to Scandinavia.
I even made this distinction already.
The majority of Germanic culture, where Germanic culture is the majority is soley in Scandinavia. (Some U.S. states could be exceptions arguably)
The greatest association of Celtic culture and a genetic group is R1b.
R1bers do tend to differ from each other in no significant way in terms of genetics
>inb4 rapebabies
I'm not drawing lines to a tee, I'm giving us a workable understanding.
>>2265072
hey faggot
>>2263859 is me
You sound like a retarded mulatto who is just angry they aren't european.
I'm not even Celtic.

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>>2255970
They messed with the best

>>2255970
Because they are retarded barbarians who were shit until Rome conquered and showed them how to stop being so fucking dumb.

>>2259573
>berberpagans on the canary islands are no more
What is truly strange is that they sailed there for some reason and somehow regressed back to the stone age and forgot how to make boats.

>>2256525
>We
Speak for yourself medcuck

>>2265235
m8....
Romans were R1b
>>2265223
>Haplogroups don't mean shit
t. I2
Having an R1b in Europe means you are almost genetically the same as anyone else who has an R1b in Europe.
It is one of the most pure sub races of Europe and is easily understood as the R1b group.
This does not mean that Haplogroups determine race, it just so happens to be this way in Europe. Stop being retarded.
but wait there friendo, Genetically the Celts and the Latins and the Rhineland Germans were closer than Latins to Greeks (ancient 'pure' Greeks) and Rhinelanders to Norwegians/Swedes/Danes.
>le Celts got their asses kicked
By other Celts you fucking retard.
Strangely enough, I am not fitting your description of me.
I am Germanic and Greek, not Celtic.
The Germanics have better poems and stories.
The Greeks were far better and more creative metal workers than the Celts.
In both cases that you lift up the Celts I denigrate them.
I associate the Celts (SINCE THEY ARE STILL FUCKING AROUND) with modern European achievement.
Law, Art, Architecture, Economics, Warfare, Exploration, The Sciences, etc.
Everything great to come out of Europe (Aside from Ancient Greece and the general godess tier status of Germanic women) is a Celtic achievement.

On a side note, the Saxons were more Celtic than Scandinavians. Not the Anglos or the Frisians tho, nor the Jutes.
The Franks were Celts during the days of Caesar.

Also, the proto-Danes, had Celtic culture, allegedly.
Or at least their king had a Celtic name, but for a king to adopt any name means that culture must have been significant to the royal blood line or the people in general.
Teutobod was probably a Celt.

>>2265257
>The Franks (Latin: Franci or gens Francorum) are historically first known as a group of Germanic tribes that inhabited the land between the Lower and Middle Rhine in the 3rd century AD

t. wikipedia

>>2266329
Who said they forgot?

>>2266338
>Having an R1b in Europe means you are almost genetically the same as anyone else who has an R1b in Europe.

Not even the guy you replied to, but that's one of the most retarded things I've read. Haplogroup is literally one marker which tells nothing about your genetic makeup. Learn what autosomal DNA is before posting.

>>2255970
The mixing of Celtic and Germanic peoples have produced some of the most successful nations in Europe's history:
>Germany
>Austria
>Switzerland
>UK
>US
>Canada
>Australia
>NZ
>France
>Belgium
>Luxembourg
>Netherlands

Celto-Germanic race best race

>>2265257
Why do I hate so much Christianity, but I am so proud to be Frankish-Trojan?

>>2266338
You falsely attribute haplogroups to define an ethnicity, a blatantly wrong premise.

We create ethnicity along the ways of life, language, and culture we see. Romans didn't determine that the British Isles were Celtic because they recorded the ancient migration into it, or because they took their Y DNA, they observed their language, dwellings, and gods.

You've got it backwards. Geneology can be an asset in mapping ethnic history, but it's not the herald of it. More like the footprints.

>>2266450
>Not even the guy you replied to, but that's one of the most retarded things I've read. Haplogroup is literally one marker which tells nothing about your genetic makeup. Learn what autosomal DNA is before posting.
t. Not a geneticist
You're out of your league, amigo.
>this phenomena is unlikely and therefore retarded and untrue
Its a phenomena precisely because it is true, you dunce.
>>2266760
>falsely attribute
w r o n g
Look at the fucking genetics.
I already said the haplogroup doesn't define race/ethnic make up, you fucking mongoloid.
I said in Europe, only in fucking Europe and only in Western and Central does R1b denote a specific genetic makeup.
The Romans observed their physical features.
They made distinctions about the Germanics and Celtics based upon physical features (basic genetic makeup for the ancients).
They even said Celtic peoples and Germanic peoples had significant influences and replacements of each others cultures.
What this means is the distinction then was genetic, I am simply pointing out that we can still make a genetic distinction.
Celtic culture is tied in terms of lineage and association with R1b.

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>>2266697
that's because you're retarded senpai

>>2266829
Faggot, you've got it backwards.
They developed ethnicities based on what we always have, through language, religion, culture, way of life and had original genetics that helped map then, but didn't define them.
Romans didn't know that Britannia was full of Celts like the continent because they mapped their genes and had records of them migrating there thousands of years ago, they did so because they spoke alike, worshipped alike, and lived alike.

>They made distinctions about the Germanics and Celtics based upon physical features (basic genetic makeup for the ancients).
>They even said Celtic peoples and Germanic peoples had significant influences and replacements of each others cultures.
Now I KNOW you didn't read Tacitus. Humor me though, where do Roman accounts address dividing Celts and Germanics based on physical description without addressing their gods or language.

>>2266289
>Germany, Austria, France, Spain, and England are more akin to eachother in culture and genetics than they are to Scandinavia.
That's so fucking wrong it hurts. Tell me where the cultural similarities are, please.

>The majority of Germanic culture, where Germanic culture is the majority is soley in Scandinavia.
Does Anglo, Dutch, Low German, High German, all of these cultures just not exist? Are you aware of the details of their cultures?

>>2269186

celts were natural redheads who dyed their hair blond, germans were natural blonds who dyed their hair red

>>2266829
Holy shit you fuckign retard, I'm repeating to you again haplogroups tell nothing about your genetic closeness to other populations or your genetic makeup. It's only useful for mapping out ancient migrations.

There's can be lets say R1a German and I1 German and they can be much more closer related than two R1b Germans. You don't know what you're talking about dumbass.

>>2263771
>If you're descended from Celts, you're a Celt.
>>having traces of Germanic DNA makes you a full Germanic
>Literally "He shares half a haplotype with us, full blooded German prince." tier.
I find it amusing that you see nothing wrong in writing those sentences in the same post.

>>2270038
give me contemporary sources cunt

>>2265283
>but that equating ancestry with ethnicity is mistaken

How exactly? Your ancestry is your ethnicity.

>be German
>get raped by celts
>get raped by huns
>get raped by nordics
>get raped by slavs
>claim racial superiority
Can someone explain this meme to me?

>>2271822
>Your ancestry is your ethnicity.

Absolutely wrong lol

Y-DNA is all of 200 genes. MtDNA is all of 37 genes.

You're claiming all of human ethnicity can be accounted for by 237 genes. If you're a stormfag, that would be hilarious considering what other viewpoints you're likely to hold.

Ancestry simply measures which particular bumfucking primate established your male or female lineage. It doesn't mean you have all - or even a significant portion - of that bumfucking primate's genetic material. That bumfucking primate's descendants breeded out, took in gene flow from other sources. So long as the male (or female) lineage remains intact, the Y-DNA (or MtDNA) haplogroup will remain the same even if full SNP analysis would reveal much difference. Your male line ancestor could fuck as many partners as he wanted and pop out a million babies with a million different women and they'll all still have his haplogroup even if genetically they'd all be divergent. Some of those children could go on to establish one ethnicity, another group could go to establish another ethnicity, and they'd both still have the same haplogroup in the end.

Then you have to consider mutations, viruses or bacterium fucking with your DNA at random, radiation, horizontal gene transfer etc etc.

tl;dr no, your ancestry is not your ethnicity. use full SNP analysis for all questions of ethnicity, not haplogroups.

>>2256532
Don't need to prove that Millions either died or left the island because of the genocide of the Irish

>>2255993
same thing happened with Welsh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not