ITT pictures that ruin an entire civilization for you.

>>2247190
Always when I see that my first thought is that it is some kind of a weapon.

>>2247190
I'll admit my ignorance of this meme. My best guess is that's something the Romans stuck up their butts.

>>2247190
Unironically better than toilet paper

>>2247214
Romans would wipe their asses with that and a bucket with water in it. It was a community shit sponge.

>>2247232
Wait for real, just water? I thought they rinsed it with vinegar

>>2247232

Designated shitting sponge

>>2247240

Yes Italian dressing assholes somehow makes it all better.

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Obsessed.

>>2247232
>>2247240
>>2247321

They live 2000 years ago you fucking autist. This was probably the most hygenic they could get. And that's rich considering most westerners just wipe it with dry toilet paper, until the shit is in a thin enough layer to be comfortable and call it a day.

>>2247332

That fucking copypasta.

>>2247336

I personally detest the communal part.

I have no issue with the method.

this >>2247336

Often absent from the image of Roman toilets is the constant flowing water or the bucket of water poured into the toilet to flush the poop into the sewer. I imagine they sponges were to assist a bidet style cleansing action, at least that would have been an option.

>>2247336

You don't need modern technology to come up with the idea of each person having their own stick.

>>2247381
As a commoner in Rome you'd likely be raised in a single room with your family. You wouldn't just be used to it, being alone would seem unusual to you.

>>2247443

Don't care, sharing feces with others seems fucking wrong.

>>2247336
>. And that's rich considering most westerners just wipe it with dry toilet paper, until the shit is in a thin enough layer to be comfortable and call it a day.

Still better than muslims who wipe out the shit with theur BARE HAND and some water and then proceed to prepare kebabs with said hand

Better have your underwear touch some shit than your hands

>>2247508

That's a complete non-sequtor. Muslims have nothing to do with this.

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>>2247447
Imagine you are a typical Roman commoner and you enter the toilets one day to find them empty and a clean spot just for you. Just after relaxing and getting comfortable you hear a noise and your sphincter tenses. This guy walks in with an air of urgency, already pulling his tunic up over his gut, and to your annoyance he sets his ass down directly opposite you with a clear "slap" as his cheeks make contact with the moist stone. An air of annoyance washes over you at the sight of this fat cunt intruding on your rare moment of privacy, which he apparently picks up, locking eyes with you and giving you this death stare that seems to say "do you think I give a fuck you little shit".

To your surprise he was already in the process of release and almost immediately he leans forward on his fat legs with their huge calves in an awkward squat as though he is about to pounce, air escapes the now severely strained and tense pile of meat and flab that is his corpulent body generating a perverse and unusually loud and lengthy animalistic growl. You detect something perverse about it all, something freudian and neurotic, as though this guy might be your father and this is the noise he made as he was seeding your mother's womb, the display of dominance taps into the darkest reaches of your subconscious making you feel as coy as a qt blonde germanic slave boy stripped for buyers at the market, come to think of it you remember this guy being among them that day. It almost starts to become unreal and terrifying until it stops to be replaced by the sound of semi-hard diarrhea dropping out of him and flopping onto the edge of the toilet. Then it is over, he breathes a very vivid sigh of relief and still lifting up his skirt waddles over to the cistern, giving you a friendly nod as he spreads his monstrosity of an ass and feels the water cleanse his punished anus. He mutters something about constipation and prune pudding, dries himself and leaves.

How would you feel?

>>2247640
Fucking kek

>>2247508

That's more of a cultural thing from the Indian Subcontinent that both Hindus and Muslims from the area do. It doesn't really have anything to with Muslims in general.

Reminder that some gladiator choked himself to death with one of these

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>>2247765
I remember reading that. Never thought "Death by shitty sponge" could be put so eloquently.

>>2247381
eh, you'd be surprised how quickly you can adapt.

I'm an anglo, but first time I ever went to a Sauna (in Germany, where I live, and where Sauna's are mixed and 100% nude) it was also pretty weird. But you get used to it. Granted, grunting a stinky fishy turd and wiping with a piece of sponge is a bit different, but I'm sure you'd adapt.

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>>2247640
>punished
>anus

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>>2247190
> pictures that ruin an entire civilization for you

>>2248680
are they eating food off the
ground???

>>2248680
hey atleast it looks like they cleaned the curb by pouring some water on it first

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>>2247214
>He doesn't know how to use the stick and sponge

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>>2247190

>>2247640

As a second generation Italian immigrant, i feel a shudder crawling up my body as a distant genetic memory of this unlocks within me.

Its even worse because i enjoy wetting the tissues i use a bit sometimes

>>2247425
Yes, but you need sponges you fucking retard. One for every million in Rome? You'd depopulate the Adriatic floor.

>>2247640
you have a gift anon, that story genuinely made me uncomfortable for a second

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>>2247190
Now you understand how Europeans, Southern Cone South Americans and Japanese feel when they take vacations in America and find out you don't have bidets.

>>2249085
Europe isn't one entity you thick cunt

I live in a european country and nobody uses bidets

>>2248689
Yes.
>>2248702
>water from the Ganges

>>2248680
>You can actually see saucepans and bowels within the same picture.

>http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013/05/14/indias-deadly-diarrhea-problem/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4367049/

I don't think any other country pisses me off more than India.

>>2249092
Then Southern Europeans and French

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>>2249085

Burgers should note a bidet is not a European drinking fountain.

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>>2247190
>ITT pictures that ruin an entire civilization for you.

>>2249127
>burgers

It's not even a Burger thing man, high end homes have bidets. It's just uncultured salvages.

>>2247202
I think it's a scepter.

>>2248154
wtf I hate germany now

>>2248985
This makes me so glad my ancestors were some of the few in Europe to avoid the "Roman Legacy"

>>2248680
does the woman serving them have 5 o'clock shadow?

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>>2247640
>as though this guy might be your father and this is the noise he made as he was seeding your mother's womb

>>2248680

but what about my sophisticated sanskritic culture

>>2249085
>public butt cleaning fountains
ew

you arent supposed to shit anywhere outside you home in the first place

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>>2247765
wait, WHAT?

>>2249448
There are no public bidets, not where I live anyway.
But they are a feature on every single household.

>>2249008

It's called the free market dumbass. As supply of sponges diminishes the price increases so rich people have their own and poor people can either go without wiping their asses or innovate a cheaper solution.

>>2247640
Is this taken from JRR Martin's secret baron Harkonnen fanfic?

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>>2247190
Public WCs are a sign of civilization. There were about 144 in Rome. You had to pay. Some had air heating in winter (hypocaust) like the termae.

The sponge, you used it, optionally wet it in a stream of water in the floor, and when you are done, you dispose of it in the lower hole of the seat, the one you used to introduce the stick to wipe your ass. Then you put the spongeless stick back in the center where a slave might put a new sponge on it.

Way worse were the piss pots that laundries had installed in every corner to collect piss (donation was free), and they later used to clean the clothing.

>>2249501
>poor people can either go without wiping their asses

Or maybe, just maybe, they all use the same brush when it works as a solution to a society that doesn't understand germ theory because it's path of least resistance.

Astonishing!

>>2247508
Where in the Koran does it say you have to use your hand???

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>>2249653
>they all use the same brush when it works as a solution to a society that doesn't understand germ theory

>There is something horrible and disgusting that you think is normal right now because our society is too primitive to comprehend why it's terrible.

>>2249680
>HURRR PRIMITIVE SOCIETES R PRIMTIVE

Yeah. They dumped their shit into the streets which ranoff to the tiber they took drinking water from with lead piping.

What the fuck do you expect, retard? It's 2 AD. You invent a better solution as a first century peasant.

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>>2249707
The black waters and the sponge would run to the Cloaca Maxima, to which the Foricae were connected.
The romans new their shit when it came to sewage.

>>2249127
Mechanically what differentiates the bidet from a drinking fountain?

>>2249736
>The black waters and the sponge would run to the Cloaca Maxima

...which then drained into the Tiber. I am familiar with how the Cloaca Maxima functioned, thank you. It was an engineering feat for its day but it doesn't mean the Romans understood germ theory.

>>2249085
>when u dont take ur sanitary cues from coked up rape babies

>>2247227
Toilet paper isn't communal

>>2249653

I find it difficult to believe you need to have germ theory in order to be repulsed by the idea of sharing a single ass cleaning sponge stick with everyone in your neighborhood. I'm pretty sure feces is an instinctual red flag prior to any innovations in microbial science. If it wasn't, the smell of feces wouldn't be cross-culturally unpleasant for one thing. That's an instinct signalling it's something you should be repulsed by, not a learned behavior. If these Romans really did use that thing as a communal ass wiping tool (and if I remember correctly it's not really known for certain that's what it was for; could've instead been used for cleaning the thing they were shitting into), they did so by willfully ignoring an obvious instinctual warning.

>>2249766
>which then drained into the Tiber
That was pretty much the end of the city, only the Aventinus area downstream from the cloaca exit. Its not like today's Rome.
Besides the water for drinking didn't came from the Tiber.

>>2249790
This. The function is still unclear.
The reuse meme has not been proven.

And finally, there were WCs where no sponge has been found. In Herculaneum they used cloth pieces, which would be hardly reusable.

But considering few people got a WC in its house and most people including the very rich used the foricae, I don't think they would reuse it.
And again, access to the public toilet was not free. You had to pay, so one would expect that money to be used in maintenance and maybe to buy new sponges.

>>2249649
>public WCs
>public water closets
>posts an open air structure

>>2249736
I don't know shit about history but how did pre-modern sewage systems even work?
Did they just divert rivers to run through the city or something?
How quickly was the water running? Was there times where the water wasn't flowing well enough to actually carry the sewage?

For that matter how the fuck do fountains work? I understand that water pressure exists, but don't know the physics behind it. Where all fountains below the water level to let gravity do the work.

Damn man I don't understand anything about civilization.

>>2249669
Nowhere and they don't.

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>>2247640
OOOOH
DON'T BE FRESH

>>2249341
yeah an indian one

>>2247640
That fat guy is alpha as fuck.

>>2247357
>>2247332
please post it

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>>2247640
What a time to be alive

>>2248680
>The culture that produced works of such immense beauty and complexity as the Mahabharata and Ramayana in its early history is reduced to eating food off of a shitsmeared sidewalk in the modern day
Sad.

>>2249649
Pecunia non olet.

>>2249902
>>2247516
>www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/chef-prepared-curry-after-wiping-7745790
>it doesn't happen

>>2249501
>a cheaper solution
That's what happened. Good job

>>2248680
but where is the poo in this picture?

>>2250388

Eating

>>2249646
>Is this taken from JRR Martin's secret baron Harkonnen fanfic?
kek

How does it feel that the Mesoamericans, who didn't even work iron, had superior hygienics not only to the Romans but even contemporary 176th centuary europe?

>>2249109
I'm French, nobody uses bidet anymore

>>2247336
>>2247190

>presumes because we found one sample of an organic instrument, we know what it's purpose is and not immediatley laughing our asses off as quackademia tells us this artifact is for wiping ones ass.

1. What evidence is here that it dates to 2000 years ago
2. How in anyway do we now hundreds of people shared it to wipe their ass.
3. How in the fuck did this wooden 2000 year old device survive to the present day?

>What species of sponge and how the fuck did it survive "2000 years" and why is it not being studied as a biological specimen?

>>2251271
Should've spent less time in the bath and more time working iron

>>2251519
They did fine without it, what with having cities on par with Constantinople and Paris population wise, better medicine, and superior waterworks technology and all

Metallurgy was pretty much the only aspect they were behind europe in, in all other respects they were on par or ahead

>>2251526
>They did fine without it

OOPS

>Metallurgy was pretty much the only aspect they were behind europe in

what are wheels

what is seafaring

what is human sacrifice

what are telescopes

what is the printing press and movable type

>>2249736
i would say they knew everybody's shit.

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>>2251546
>what are wheels

They had wheels, they just didn't use them for transportation because they didn't have beasts of burden (which, again, begs the question what the fuck europe was doing if it built cities only as good or worse then them despite having beasts of burden and better metalworking) Not even gonna read the rest of your post, "They didn't have wheels" is a red flag for somebody who has aboslutely no idea what they are talking about.

>>2251570
>they just didn't use them for transportation because they didn't have beasts of burden

hello Jared Diamond

why are you so retarded?

>mesoamericans were moar advanced than the europeans who took over their entire continent from across the ocean
>hurr they all died of european diseases because they had better hygiene
>posts an old toy

>>2248680
Generally, it's frowned upon to eat off of your toilet like that.

>>2249385

racemixing

>>2249649

And tanning/tanneries. Yuck.

All these stuck up autists screeching about communal sponges. The problem is only in your mind. It was a healthy thing, it actually helped reduce infections in the population. We have actual medical procedures NOW where they literally put the shit from healthy people into the colon of sick people to cure them of a number of conditions. Think about that for just a goddamn moment before you start going all "Oh those stupid romans and their shit sticks"

>>2251743
healthy doesn't imply clean.

you were wiping your ass with other peoples ass juices on a stick.

You would be pissed if I shit in my hand and stuck it down your pants and went "DURR DURR ITS HEALTHY UR COLON HAS MY BACTERIA NOW"

>>2251570
Ever heard of wheelbarrows? They are pretty useful even without beasts of burden

>>2251743
We still use fecal transplants in a number of cases in the modern day, it's a very effective technique in a narrow scope

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>>2251859
they didn't have spokes. solid disk wheels mean it's both heavy and cumbersome for man to pull a wheelbarrow any sort of distance across what qualified as "roads"

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>>2249893
>Did they just divert rivers to run through the city or something?

In some places. Most didn't really need to as they were built on, or near, rivers. Depending on the city, some places just poured their piss in the streets, and solid waste was collected from communal shitters by the "night soil" man and carted off to fertilize the fields, or tossed in the river.

>How quickly was the water running? Was there times where the water wasn't flowing well enough to actually carry the sewage?

Sure.


>For that matter how the fuck do fountains work? I understand that water pressure exists, but don't know the physics behind it. Where all fountains below the water level to let gravity do the work.

The Romans usually pumped in water from outside their cities via the aqueduct system, which was badass as fuck. Those niggers would send specialists out to find the best water they could, which they would test by boiling it off to see how much residue was left behind. More residue meant more minerals and shit in the water, which isn't what you want. Less residue, the cleaner and clearer your water. They would take the best water from the mountains, and pump it into the cities to be used for drinking and cooking and shit, and they would pump in the worst water for their sewage system. They got the pressure they needed from raised aqueducts and cisterns that fed the system via gravity.

The Persians did the same thing, and actually better, as those niggers dug tunnel systems to get their water to their cities, and could even use it as a form of air conditioning.

>Damn man I don't understand anything about civilization.

Look into it. It's pretty fucking incredible how advanced ancient peoples actually were, and their engineering achievements boggle the mind.

Basically, slavery, and a few smart fuckers, gets shit done.

>>2249321
what civ and why

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>>2249893

Pic related: Persian system

The Persians actually made wind towers used as a form of air-conditioning system to cool basements. They did it all by hand. Again, slavery gets shit done.

Crazy impressive shit.

>>2251572
At least you saved yourself the embarrassment of posting an image macro of a circus animal.

>>2247447
Its becuase you understand how disease spreads, and know that microbes exist.

Romans had no concept of that.

>>2253514
>Romans had no concept of that.

Sure they did.

Just not to the extend that we do today.

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>>2251859
not if your city is built in mountains or on a lake.

they used alpacas, llamas and canoes instead. it made 100x more sense than wheelbarrows. commonly overlooked.

>>2253112
Slavery gets shit done but it ultimately stagnates your society because it leads to decay in innovations in worker productivity. When you have millions of slaves to do any form of grueling work your own citizens don't want to do, what's the point of inventing tools to make that grueling work any easier?

>>2253708
who needs to invent more efficient tools when you have millions of slaves?

>>2253640
The closest Romans ever got was Galen's theory of microscopic seeds in the air. Even so, humorism and miasma theory were by far and away the consensus among Roman physicians. Neither of which accurately encompassed the origin or transmission of disease. Germ theory as an idea wouldn't become a thing until at least Francesco Redi's experiments in the 16th century.

>>2253739
The people who don't have millions of slaves.

Otherwise known as your competition. The American South learned this the very hard way.

>>2253752
what do you mean? there are still absurdly rich families from that period. they adapted just fine.

you're thinking about this too much from a civilian perspective.

>>2253759
>there are still absurdly rich families from that period

From classical antiquity? No. There has never been a credited genealogical route from antiquity. No family alive today can objectively claim descent from ancient times.

From the American South? Sure, but they still lost their entire antebellum society and were forced into the modern age by hook or by crook.

>>2251579
fucking lol

>>2253708
>>2253739

There's a cost-benefit associated with anything, including slaves.

Slaves were expensive as fuck to buy, and expensive as fuck to maintain, which is why only the wealthy classes tended to own them.

The cotton gin was designed to increase productivity, despite the fact that slave labor was readily available.

People are always trying to make shit easier, regardless if slave labor is available or not.

>>2253777
>From classical antiquity? No.
unfalsifiable. I see how you like your science(unscientific).

you're tripping if you think there's no trails of wealth from antiquity into the modern era.

>>2253902
>implying science is based around proving negatives

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=burden+of+proof

>you're tripping if you think there's no trails of wealth from antiquity into the modern era.

Nice goalpost move. Suddenly it's not about "families that have wealth", it's just about wealth transferring thus avowing you of any need to prove descent from antiquity.

Sophister, be gone.

>>2251853

What you're talking about is assault though.


>you were wiping your ass with other peoples ass juices on a stick.

Like I said, the problem is all in your mind, especially seeing as to how you worded that sentence. If it was a part of your everyday life and you just took it as something that people communally used like water fountains.

Imagine on the sperm, saliva, bacteria you have slowly ingested over the years through using public fountains in schools and etc. You don't think about it, and if you have your reaction was "well it's gross if you think about it, but I don't want to think about it".

Social conditioning has a big influence on what you find disgusting.

>>2251570
>I'm just going to ignore the 4 other valid points you made because I can't refute them

besides I'd argue that not seeing the potential in wheels is being behind on technology

>>2247447
>fecal transplants

>>2249085
>tfw hemmoroids
>tfw no bidet in apartment and landlord won't let me install one

>>2249646
lel

>>2251570
>I'm not even gonna read the rest of your post
That's unfortunate, because he made very good points in the rest of that post of things the aztecs hadn't developed at all which contemporary Europe already had.

>>2249766
Why are you so hostile?

>>2247202
>>2249341
It looks like a makeshift staff or scepter one of the kids from Rugrats would have wielded while playing. Like they found a house sponge and stuck it onto a stick to play pretend with.

>>2248972
If anything this makes me admire them

>>2251365
Please tell me this is bait so I don't have to bother responding to a retard.

>>2253699
the aztecs didn't have alpacas or llamas senpai. you're thinking of the incas

>>2247640
Now you reminded me of a time when I went to take a shit at work and immediately after I sat down a guy entered the only other stall and proceeded to fart and shit for the longest time. I couldn't do it. I was so fucking unconfortable my sphyncter closed up and I had to go to another bathroom. Having someone shitting next to you is weird

>>2257240
Nah, you're just a giant pussy.

>>2257240
Pretty bad too when you're both too awkward to shit next to each other and just sit there waiting for the other to give up and leave.

>>2247443

Where'd commoners fuck?

>>2249649
designated shitting seats

>>2249331
>uncultured salvage

>>2257218
I don't know the context of the conversation, I'm just explaining why american peoples in general didn't use wheelbarrows. they were useless to them wherever civilization was held, other than maybe the pueblos, who got buttfucked by drought before europeans ever got there anyway, or the moundbuilders who used large baskets to move things.

>>2253920
ironic that you bring up burden of proof because that's the point I made against you. you're one of those people who has issue following context of conversation.

confirmed when you go on about goalpost moving when I point out you're wrong about something else as well. you have no idea what we were talking about before, do we? pointless to talk to people who's minds only extend one post backwards. if I wanted to do the same, I could accuse you of making strawmans/red herrings right now.

>>2252870
>only work on smooth surfaces

This guy has never been a farmer

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>>2247640
This shit happens in every age.

>>2247336
>there are people who do not have bidets installed in their houses

Absolutely barbaric.

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>>2247640
Jesus christ