Recognizing Arab genocide of Persian Zoroastrians.

>>2243980
bump

Didn't the Persians get their revenge after the Umayyad collapse?

>>2243980
In Islamic culture, you are not supposed to care about what happened to your people pre-Islamically because you were in jahilliyah (ignorance) anyways

The average Iranian would get mad at you for trying to make the spread of Islam (the truth) look bad because Majoosi got hurt in the process

>inb4 Persian diaspora gets mad at me for stating the truth

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>>2244206
>In Islamic culture, you are not supposed to care about what happened to your people pre-Islamically because you were in jahilliyah (ignorance) anyways
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Pre-Islamic middle eastern cultures were fascinating, and it's part of your heritage if you're from that region. Jesus, that's a pretty whipped mentality.

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...dude we could sit here and whine about everyone pre-1945 trying to genocide LITERALLY everyone

>>2243980
Are we going to sign a petition to recognize the genocide of the Gauls next?

>>2244227
Turks did the same thing with their ottoman history during the government of attaturk. Despite therefore being "whipped", they did a fair bit of whipping.

>>2244227
But that's the facts. That's why no Egyptians goes we wuz kangz or no Iraqi (except Saddam who was probably athiest) goes we wuz sumerians and babylon and mesoptamia and shieet

They don't care. Your history started with Islam. They get angry when their children praise that stuff because they are praising kuffars

>>2244267
>Iraqi (except Saddam who was probably athiest) goes we wuz sumerians and babylon and mesoptamia and shieet
Was he responsible for a lot of the museums and preservation in that region over the course of his rule? I remember reading about the loss of some of those in our invasion when we used the "shock and awe" tactics. That does give me a bit more respect for him.

>>2244291
>saddam
>atheist
bit of a stretch there innit

>>2244293
Meant for
>>2244267

>>2244293
The other guy made that claim, not me.

That wasn't real Islam real Islam hasn't been tried.

>>2244267
I am not in the mood to debate with you.

Iranians still revere their pre-Islamic heritage. It's why they largely retained their Persian language, pre-Islamic myths (e.g., the Zoroastrian epic Shahnameh), pre-Islamic holidays (e.g., Yalda, Nowruz, Mehregan, and more), and more. Saying we had no culture before Islam is very disrespectful. Our history did not start with Islam.

It does not make sense for Iranians to still be Muslim considering it was imposed on them through GENOCIDE. It doesn't make sense to me why a lot of Sufi poets would slide Manichee and Zoroastrian motifs or symbols into their works, or how Shahab al-Din Suhrawardi and Mulla Sadra combined aspects of Zoroastrianism into Shiite beliefs. Perhaps, now is the time we completely abandon Islam altogether. I am sick and tired of it.

If Iranians revere their Pre-Islamic heritage so much, then we need to own up to the fact Islam was brutally enforced on us and simply revert back to Zoroastrianism or another religion altogether.

Mecca is a symbol of oppression to our people.

>>2244293
Ba'athists are renowned for being closet athiests

Islam isn't really something that secularists can deal with for prolonged periods and come off as believers. They are ground down into apostasy if not outright hatred of Islam

>>2244301
Arabs still make reference of it positively. It was a very big turning point in history, the collapse of the Sassanian empire. Watch this:

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Note; Zoroastrian priests were referred to as magi, and these children are justifying that genocide.

>>2244297
Yeah, my bad. But hey, while I have your attention, museums.
Saddam isn't particularly unique in building museums and preserving landmarks, most halfway functioning states since the 20th century do with varying success. As for the US bombing them, during war historical value is pretty much ignored. Consider the turks, who used the parthenon as a munitions depot, and the venetians who shelled it. Neither cared at all for its historical value, just that it was a great place to store ammo and also a great place to shell.
Shit man, when folks like the brits cared about these sorts of artifacts, it was only to the extent that they could be shipped over to the victoria and albert museum.

>>2244315
Ba'athism was started as an explicitly secular thing, not a closeted one. Given their preservation of religious rituals and mores, as well as their later just saying 'fuck it' and being explicitly religious, it seems more accurate to call them closet muslims.

>>2244301
>>2244206
I don't think you really understand culture, or why it persists or changes over time. It's why pre-Islamic Iranian heritage perplexes you even though you seem convinced it's an inherent trait of Islamic culture to actively scorn pre-Islamic times.

The reason Iran still has a connection to pre-Islamic culture is because Iran's pre-Islamic culture was actively transcribed and spread by post-Islamic Iranians who thought it was important. The reason this did not happen for Iraq, Syria, or Egypt is because the culture of Sumer or Ancient Egypt had long since vanished to time or Christianized entirely.

There was no Shahnameh equivalent for Egypt because the oldest traditions at the time of the Arab conquests were basically Greek and/or Christian in character, with thoughts of pharaohs and mummies just as forgotten to time.

>>2244301
I never said you have no culture before Islam. I said jahillyah culture is frowned upon throughout the entire Muslim world. Retaining language and some holidays doesn't mean much. Perhaps with Twelvers you are a bit more lax considering you stretch alot of other Islamic edicts. But Karbala is still holier to you than any Persian ruin.

Dude, Persians weren't the only people brutally subjugated in the spread of Islam. Everyone was. Arabs perhaps the worst actually. Also don't forget the black Africans enslaved and castrated for over 1000 years (including by Persians) and you don't see them whining or apostatizing. This doesn't make you unique and isn't a case for leaving Islam

And be honest, you will never revert to Zoroastrianism. You will stay Muslim or become ultra secularized "Muslims" akin to the modern Western European "Christian". Dems the breaks

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another edgy persian diasporazade thread

>>2244344
>is because the culture of Sumer or Ancient Egypt had long since vanished to time

Absolutely wrong and proof you know nothing about late antiquity cultures in the Middle East.

"hurr durr rome got to dem all" is not an argument. Try harder.

>>2244344
In Tabaristan there were local dynasties that were still Zoroastrian until around the 15th century. The Paduspanids were most notable (Dubayids were shorter lived).

The Shahnameh was based off oral tradition, and the reason Islam persevered is largely due to Islam giving Zoroastrians dhimmi status. They were heavily persecuted and taxed (jizya), and even the Safavids would frequently persecute them.

After the Arab invasions of Iran, many Persians in Greater Khorasan only outwardly followed Islam, but they still retained Pre-Islamic traditions and even some Greco-Buddhist elements during Samanid Empire. Islamization was not a fast process, but the Arab invasion did involve genocide and tensions between Arabs and Persians.

>>2244327
Ba'athists have to deal with near daily plots hatched in mosques by Ikhwan agents to kill them and seize power. They become embittered towards Islam after a while of this, because if you aren't riding high on some "fuck you" to the West/Israel, you will have to watch your back constantly because at the end of the day, most shiekhs and people who listen to them consider secularists of any kind, non-Muslim

Look at Ataturks. How exasperatedly he said "if only I could make them Christian" and how after saving the country from being divided and turned it into a modern state with a non-shitty economy he is STILL shat on to this day by Muslims, and was almost assassinated. And that is the absolutely best of the secularists with by far the most fervent support. There is a reason most Arab leaders are completely insanely brutal; it's necessary to some degree if you want to keep being a leader

>>2244356
I will travel to Yazd, Iran and be converted soon.

I have ripped and desecrated Korans.

Damn Karbala. Cteisphon's ruins are far more important to me, about as equal as Persepolis.

>>2244227
Welcome to Colonialism bud.

>>2244344
It's also worth noting that Iranian propaganda during the Iran-Iraq war really played up their persian heritage, albeit with the whole Zoroastrian thing brushed over.

>>2244356
>these savages in Arabia Felix will NEVER threaten our lands

t. Heraclius

Pride goeth before destruction, Mudslime.

>>2244368
pray tell how much of the egyptian culture survived during coptic era
most if not all the ancient egyptian monument destruction was done by pre islamic christians.

>>2244368
Not that guy but are you stupid?

Rome and Christianity destroyed every trace of Egyptian identity or culture

>>2243980
>sign a petition for the UN to officially recognize the Arab invasions of Persia/Iran as genocide.

>14 centuries ago

Does the U.N. really do this?

>>2244395
Check here:
>>2244318
Arabs still make reference of it positively. It was a very big turning point in history, the collapse of the Sassanian empire.

Whether it was 1200 years shouldn't matter because the Arabs still mock the Persians over the genocide. It is still more relevant than ever.

>>2244368
Triggering your psychological defenses won't change the facts either today or tomorrow.

>B-but this and that church claims to follow cultural traditions that stretch back to ancient ____
It's honestly sad how so much of the second and third world desperately cling to old romantic European archaeology and can't move on.

>>2244381
So an embittered Saddam, hateful of the devout muslims who put him to the gallows, chooses his last words as “I bear witness that there is no god but God and I testify that Mohammed is the Messenger of God. I bear witness that there is no god but God and I testify that Mohammed…”

Attaturk was not a ba'athist.

>>2244399
>1200
~1400***

>>2244318
Arabs make positive reference to the 700 year subjugation of Spain. In fact, that is the most bragged about because of muh Andalusia golden center of learning and tolerance for all religions. Do you see Spanish people crying about that?

>>2244399
So we need UN resolutions for literal /int/-tier shitposting memes?

>>2244407
I am saying the Arabic Islamic campaign should be defined as a genocide and acknowledged as such. How people respond to this fact is not something that can be controlled, but one cannot dismiss the reality of facts.

Many liberal scholars try to use doublespeak and argue the Islamic conquest was not equivalent to genocide.

>>2244402
Atheists often pray just before death as well. Death is scary, and it is human to have that reaction

Meanwhile in life, Saddam was a blood hungry monster who let his sons do whatever the fuck they wanted, torture and rape included on pious, poor Muslim people. Ain't nothin' devout or Muslim about that.

>>2244420
>Many liberal scholars try to use doublespeak and argue the Islamic conquest was not equivalent to genocide.

Here we go again.

>>2244415
The UN should come out and say the expansion of Islam was based off genocidal campaigns, especially towards Zoroastrians and then list other minorities. Then they say nothing more.

This will make people more honest towards the death cult that is Islam, very similar to Aum Shinrikyo in many ways.

>>2244420
Okay, but then I'm sure this will open the gates to many Persian crimes, like the attempted genocide of Greeks.

>>2244402
It's comforting

That's what religion is for

My brother is as fedora as it gets and he still recited Sh'ma when he thought he was going to die in Afghanistan

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>>2244394
>>2244389
>>2244400
Nice sources, retards. Your hastily googled Wikipedia knowledge demonstrates so much to me, as always, and has truly convinced me Islam is the light!

Only no, it hasn't at all and your credulous attempts to ascribe your genocide to the Romans are quite pathetic especially as your kin in modern times continues to destroy ancient ruins to this day.

You people despise heritage, culture, and light. That is why no sane man should ever be Muslim.

>>2244433
The Persian wars with Greeks did not constitute genocide and was not on the scale of Arab invasions of Sassanian Empire. The Zoroastrians would discourage rape, rapine, and more. That's not to say it wasn't brutal, but war does not necessarily equal genocide. I presume you are an Arab, correct?

>>2244420
>>2244425
I wonder whether you feel the same wih Sassanian incursions towards asia minor or achamenid invasions of europe as genocide too

Zoroastrians were proud of chruches they destroyed, read the inscription of kartir

>>2244422
Alright, how about the faith campaign of 1994?
>eanwhile in life, Saddam was a blood hungry monster who let his sons do whatever the fuck they wanted, torture and rape included on pious, poor Muslim people.
Shi'ite muslims tho.

>>2244438
>nice sources
okay I'll play, read shenoute of atripe, read about his muh jesus muhfucka chimpout.

Coptic destruction of antique heritage is well documented by seondary sources, but you will probably discard them as `librul propaganda` so I'm giving you a primary source.

>>2244442
>The Persian wars with Greeks did not constitute genocide and was not on the scale of Arab invasions of Sassanian Empire

Nice sources, retard. Your hastily googled Wikipedia knowledge demonstrates so much to me, as always, and has truly convinced me Zoroastrianism is the light!

Only no, it hasn't at all and your credulous attempts to ascribe your genocide to the Arabs are quite pathetic especially as your kin in modern times continues to destroy ancient ruins to this day.

You people despise heritage, culture, and light. That is why no sane man should ever be Zoroastrian.

Wew, being retarded is harder than I thought.

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>>2244448
>One 4th century monk is my source for the supposed Roman "genocide of Egypt"

LOL dunecoons will try anything

More "genocided culture"

>>2244442
>literally raze cities to ground
>not a genocide guise gayreeks totally deserved it

Why was the islamophobia thread deleted

I guess this thread will do to show that islamophobia is totally justified

>>2244436
He'd been spending years since the 90's backtracking his shit from the 70s and 80s and playing up his religious authority. It's not as if this was a sudden volte face on the gallows, bruv. Especially since Saddam did not die a cowardly death, for everything loathsome about the guy he delivered a calm speech while also backtalking his executioners. Nothing suggests he was falling back based on cowardice.

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YOU GOT SOME SPLAININ TO DO!

>>2244461
>one source
Again plently of scholarship is done under christianization and hellenization of near east and egypt, don't expect me to do your homework for you. I can copy paste a dozen books and you will just brush them off as you brushed shenoute (do read his hagiography though, a very interesting guy)
I'm not a muslim. Do not assume anyone who disagrees with you is an arab or muslim apologist.

I'm arguing against your notion of 'ancient egyptian/sumerian cultures survived into late antiquity'' which is wrong. Both Hellenism and Christianity destroyed/transformed/mutated the culture, by late antiquity the ancient egpyt as you know of did not existed.

Arabs/muslims did indeed destroyed a culture, but it was the coptic/helleni culture not the ancient egyptian culture.

>>2243980
Your premise is the Arabs wiped out Zoroastrianism, yet we know they did not as it not only survived until today, but survived in large numbers until the Safavid period. Most pogroms that did cull the Zoroastrian population were internal under the direction of native Iranian Muslim dynasties, and would be akin to blaming the destruction of Gallic paganism on the Italians.

SIGNED

>>2244399
Being mocked by Arabs should be the least of your worries. The U.N. recommends that preserving ancient culture is mainly your responsibility. That is, if other Iranians actually think like you.

>>2244480
>I READ IT GUYS HONEST HONEST
>I'M JUST TOO LAZY TO POST EVEN THE NAMES OF THE BOOKS I SUPPOSEDLY READ IN FAVOR OF MY ONE MONK THAT PROOOOVVEEEES ROME GENOCIDED EGYPTIANS LMAO

And there's where I stopped taking you seriously, mudslime. Go back to skeletonchan /islam/ where you belong.

>>2244492
again, not a muslim fuck allah and mohammad sideways
you are just strawmaning.

>>2244491
Actual Iranians care about preserving culture. This guy just wants to push his utopian nightmare on everyone else, like a radical feminist shit-talking about the patriarchy while actual women historians are busy studying ancient cultures and attitudes towards matriarchy/patriarchy.

>>2244464
I never said Greeks deserve it. I'm saying it doesn't fit under the definition of genocide, and the Zoroastrians were encouraged not to rape, rapine, or anything of that sort. War does not necessarily equal genocide.

>>2244451
I am not the same guy who posted that, and I have studied Persian heritage/history deeply. I simply want people to acknowledge the Arabic invasions of Sassanian Empire was genocide, and when Arabs positively make mention of it that they are condoning genocide.

>>2244494
Not a single book title posted, sad!

If you've read so much, surely the names should be easy to recall at a moment's notice?

Considering they have such definite proof for your "roman genocide of egypt" """"hypothesis""""?

>>2244443
It's important to note Kartir did discourage rapine in wars. His inscriptions mention it. He was not as evil as you think.

>>2244507
Here is your book Religion in Roman Egypt: Assimilation and Resistance, by Frankfurter

And I don't get you what is your argument? romans/christians dindu nuffin they go to church they good bois? Egypt was all fine and dandy until mudslimes came? That is plain wrong. Again do read about scholarship of Christianization of Egypt. While Romans and Hellenes transformed the ancient egyptian culture albeit with very little hostilty (there were few exceptions of course) late antique Christians were pretty hostile. Egypt had plenty of transformation post 4th century. In a very aggressive way.

another primary source for you, check out Codex Theodosianus 16.10.

>>2244507
>Considering they have such definite proof for your "roman genocide of egypt" """"hypothesis""""?

Not him, and no one is saying genocide, because that's as retarded as the OP. He's saying Ancient Egyptian culture had long disappeared by the eve of the Arab Conquests, which is plain fact that almost no one in the field disputes. It's your position that's the oddball and needs even one source to back it up.

He gave you one, you didn't, so as far as the argument is concerned you're losing 0-1.

>>2244515
>In analyzing the fate of the Egyptian oracle and of the priesthoods, the function of magical texts, and the dynamics of domestic cults, Frankfurter describes how an ancient culture maintained itself while also being transformed through influences such as Hellenism, Roman government, and Christian dominance. Recognizing the special characteristics of Egypt, which differentiated it from the other Mediterranean cultures that were undergoing simultaneous social and political changes, he departs from the traditional "decline of paganism/triumph of Christianity" model most often used to describe the Roman period. By revealing late Egyptian religion in its Egyptian historical context, he moves us away from scenarios of Christian triumph and shows us how long and how energetically pagan worship survived.

That's astonishing, how hard the book and Frankfurter seem to completely disagree with your """"hypothesis""" about the roman """"genocide of egypt""""!

Almost like you cited a book you've never even read!

>>2244485
Arabs, indeed, did destroy a lot of books on Zoroastrian beliefs. It is debatable what percentage of literature was loss, but most scholars agree it was significant. The core of the teachings are still there, but a lot was lost.

Also, over 400k Zoroastrians died thanks to the Arab invasions.

>>2244527
See >>2244520

He very clearly said transformed.

Incidentally, that's actually what also happened in Muslim Iran.

>>2244498
Real Iranians would realize to truly preserve culture involves abandoning Islam and going back to Zoroastrianism, or perhaps, a new religion. Beyond very few Sufi poets, Islam is monstrous.

>>2244520
>no one is saying genocide, because that's as retarded as the OP.
Only those who are mixed with Arab or have investments in Arab countries (UAE especially which relies on slavery) would deny the Arab conquests of Zoroastrian Iran were genocidal.

>>2244537
Yes yes, and coincidentally this definition of real Iranian suddenly excludes the vast majority of living, breathing Iranians and at once places you, our enlightened true Iranian, at the forefront of the heroic movement to save them from their ignorance.

>>2244527
I used the book on my thesis
I never used the word genocide you are putting words into my mouth
My point, again I'm repeating this for the 3rd time is this, In Late Antiquity the ancient egyptian culture was changed, Romans-Greeks and later on Christians changed it, among them Christians being the most aggresive.

I never said there was "genocide" again you are putting words into my mouth, but Christians did chimped out, with riots, destruction of temples and monuments, (again hence I cited Shenoute) etc

Also read works of Watts albeit his focus is more on pagan elite
City and School in Late Antique Athens and Alexandria
and
Riot in Alexandria: Tradition and Group Dynamics in Late Antique Pagan and Christian Communities

>>2244535
see
>>2244394
>Rome and Christianity destroyed every trace of Egyptian identity or culture

>every trace

>>2244389
>pray tell how much of the egyptian culture survived during coptic era

>>2244344
>is because the culture of Sumer or Ancient Egypt had long since vanished to time or Christianized entirely

Your post cites something later in the thread as an attempt to move the goalposts from "genocide" to mere "transformation".

Regardless, Egyptian culture CLEARLY survived Rome and Christianity, so you're wrong, Mudslimes. Deal with it.

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>>2244537
>abandoning Islam and going back to Zoroastrianism, or perhaps, a new religion.

>>2244535
Muslim Iran was more a displacement of Zoroastrian Iran, but with fragments of Zoroastrian Iran still existing.

It's time we displace Muslim Iran with either going to Zoroastrian Iran or with something new.

Islam is a religion that was founded on bloodshed and genocide. It is irredeemable. The world is better off without it.

>>2244544
see
>>2244545

Goalpost shifters will gain no quarter with me. The discussion ITT clearly started with "EGYPT HAD NO TRACE OF ITS CULTURE AFTER ROME AND CHRISTIANITY" which is factually wrong.

ALBIGENSIAN CRUSADE WAS GENOCIDE
APOLOGISE

>>2244545
see>>2244544
You are delusinal if you think Late antique coptic egpyt was same as ancient egpytian culture

the language was different the religion was different the polity was different. It fucking changed

stop labeling anyone who disagrees with you as a mudslime, and do read the fucking books rather than the books.google.com summaries

>>2244543
You underestimate the extent of Persia-Arab hostilities. Many Iranians are fed up with Islam and want nothing to do with it, especially given its bloody advent.

>>2244554
>shift goalposts
>attempt to claim you're right with the new goalposts after you've shifted them

LOL

Let me guess, replacing coptic with arabic was a good thing to you? God it's so easy to tell where the mudslimes are.

>>2244527
>he moves us away from scenarios of Christian triumph and shows us how long and how energetically pagan worship survived

You should pay attention to this part. His thesis is that paganism survived in very transformed ways for a while longer than others assume. But if you actually read it, and not just skim for anything that only helps your ideology while ignoring everything else, it goes on to explain how this as well died out over the course of centuries of internecine church politics.

>>2244548
>tipping intensifies
Tell that to the blood of the Zoroastrians who energized the blood mill.

The blood mill still exists in the hearts of every Muslim.

You mock the death of my ancestors.

>>2244556
Ah yes, even better, not only is he the hero they need, but they've also secretly waiting for his messianic guidance as well. It's like a physical, concentrated form of autistic cliches.

>>2244560
Okay okay let me get this straight. The mudslimes ITT backflipped from "EGYPT HAD NOT AN OUNCE OF ITS CULTURE AFTER ROME" to "w-wel paganism survived for centuries during christianity and egypt's culture t-transformed over time"

Then that transformed culture was wiped out by islam. Deal with it.

>>2244552
>EGYPT HAD NO TRACE OF ITS CULTURE AFTER ROME AND CHRISTIANITY" which is factually wrong.

again plenty of egyptian culture was destroyed by the time of 600 A.D.

are you implying Egypt of say 800 B.C. pre persians was extactly the same as Egypt just before 600 A.D.

now before you answer that lets go back to my question
>pray tell how much of the egyptian culture survived during coptic era
answer is not much

>>2244559
I really hate ad homs but
I'm not an arab
I'm not a muslim
I'm a georgian phd fag and my focus is on Paganism under Theodosians, I know works of Frankfurter and watts due to my examination

I'm not saying this as "I'm a phd therefore you must accept everything I say" but please stop labeling me as an arab apologist.

Late Antique egypt differed quite a lot from Ancient Egypt. Even with regards to Egyptian paganism, the Egyptian Paganism of 400 A.D. was QUITE A FUCKING LOT different than egyptian paganism of new kingdom.

>>2244570
I actually read the book, so it's on you now to do the same or at least stop pretending like your personal feelings are a substitute for research and study.

>>2244569
Keep mocking me Arab, but realize I am most likely more successful than you.

>>2244575
>I'm going to LARP as a PHD and continue to post no sources while I backpedal far far away from "Rome and Christianity destroyed every trace of Egyptian identity or culture"

lol i'm done here.

>>2244576
>p-please admit islam did nuffin wrong anon

No.

>>2244575
>, the Egyptian Paganism of 400 A.D. was QUITE A FUCKING LOT different than egyptian paganism of new kingdom.

and it ceased to exist under Islam.

>>2244565

Can Zoroaster take the knot?

>>2244580
Mmm yes, can't forget the 'all dissenters are subhuman, jealous, and probably also whatever ethnicity I'm most angry at' trope.

>>2244594
It ceased to exist by the start of the 6th century actually.

>>2244594
This

The muslim apologists ITT won't get that though. Apparently subverting the native millennia old language with arabic and forcing islam onto the populace is okay because at least it's not the evil Romans!

It's sad how far modern liberalism has fallen.

>>2244595
Persians and Arabs will never be friends, for Arabs refuse to acknowledge basic facts, such as how the Islamic invasions constituted genocide. You even make films glorifying it.

>>2244600
I don't hate anyone. I just want basic facts to be nationally recognized. Islam began with bloodshed and genocidal expansion. This is not debatable.

>>2244605
>>2244594
The last pagan Egyptian temple was converted to a church FYI.

>>2244581
>lalalalal I don't wanna believe you lalalala
whatever man, believe what you want.
More caveats for you
1-Again Paganism also changed do not compare late antique paganism in egypt with ancient egyptian religion
2-Secondly While paganism did survived up until 5th and up to 6th and even 7th century (we know some post Justinian emperors persecuting pagans still) the coptic damage to the religion in egypt was quite large.There are plenty of hagiographies and law codes and records
>>2244576
It's dunning kruger effect, he is a 15 year old edgy diaspora boy, you expect too much from him tbqh
>>2244594
Actually some pagans survived in islam, 'sun worshippers' in northern med managed to exist up until 19th century but I'm ignorant about how much of the pagan culture survived when caliphate was established

my estimation is by 700s paganism was dead, with very few exceptions. And I do believe the reign o Justinian did the most damage to pagans, People like shenoute chimped out yes but I do believe the biggest persectuion of paganism came under Justinin, we have records of riots, mass missionary movements etc. But I do have to research more to back it

>>2244605
In this article, you don't see the mention of Islamic conquest in Persia:
https://www.ancient.eu/article/485/

There is no debate that the Islamic conquest was very genocidal, yet most historians don't mention it when discussing genocides in antiquity.

>>2244611
>shift the goalposts
>pretend you're right because you shifted the goalpost
>expect people to still debate with you seriously

One of the stupidest """PhDs""" I've encountered on 4chan.

>>2244611
>People like shenoute chimped out yes but I do believe the biggest persectuion of paganism came under Justinin, we have records of riots, mass missionary movements etc. But I do have to research more to back it

I think most of it happened just before him, and the plague and mismanagement under and right after him just finished off a straggling few enclaves, but I'm more a Medieval guy so I'd have to refresh my memory.

You.know this thread is on /his/ too?

>>2244620
Maybe because the author isn't an emotionally blinded agitator, and maybe because he's talking about the events of the Classical world and not Late Antiquity.

>>2244634
I mean /Int.

>>2244234
/thread

>>2244206
Man, no wonder NOBODY respects the Muslims. What a cancerous culture and religion.

>>2244637
>admitting genocide is now being "emotionally blinded"

If he harped on about the holocaust you'd be defending it in a heartbeat fucking kike shill

>>2244643
Wait, so is he an Arab, paid off by Gulf Arabs, or Jewish?

>>2244628
Again you put words into my mouth, but let me go back to my first post ITT
>pray tell how much of the egyptian culture survived during coptic era
Again the answer is not much blame muslims for destroying the coptic and helleno-christian and zoroastrian culture all you like, you would be correct in your accusation.
>most if not all the ancient egyptian monument destruction was done by pre islamic christians.
This is arhaelogical but you need some major fucking evidence to claim active paganism in 650 A.D egypt. Frankfurters work does not cover 7th century.

I don't have phd yet, I'm a phd candidate hopefully will have my phd by this year though. maybe phdfag is a bad word, but I would have used academicianfag If I got my degree.

I understand you are angry towards muslims and I understand that, but you are wrong in some aspects. pointing out christian/roman/sassanid atrocities do not whitewash mudslimes or vice versa. anyways If you have an interest in this go study about it when you come of age for college, I highly doubt you are +18 but anyways.

I'm tired man, so this will be my last post, I was trying to give you some ideas so I hope you take some and do your own research and come back to me with actuall evidence rather than google.books summary and adhominem,

I would love to read your paper If you prove arab conquest was responsible for the destruction of the ancient egyptian paganism (not culture that would be impossible but anyways off I go to sleep)
again the answer for my pray tell is not so much, and thats all I argued.

farewell
>>2244631
Yeah not buying your theory no offence, b/c From justinianic era we have
-active search for secret pagans in constantinople
-haigographies of missionaries moving around asia minor converting people on mass
-riots and general pagan chimpout in cities like Gaza

even after justinian we have some evidence of pagan activitiy I think it was under Tiberius II around 580s that still persecuted pagans.

>>2244661
UN petition when

Has the genocide committed against the Arabs in Iberia been admitted by the Spaniards?

Where is the petition I can sign?

I hate this new shit of "PLEASE RECOGNISE MY GENOCIDE!"

The Armenians do it, the Greeks do it and everyone who seems to have zero relevance today bangs on about how they were wronged a hundred years ago by institutions that no longer exist. But this really takes the cake. This happened almost 1500 years ago and people are still crying.

Who's the petition against ? "Arabs" as a whole? Which institution are you condemning?

Why not get the UN to condemn the Hunnic invasion of Eastern Europe? Or how about you put trade sanctions on Mongolia for Genghis' run through Asia?

You people are idiots.

>>2244781
Islam is a death cult like Aum Shinrikyo. Only difference is it has over a billion followers.

There will come a time when people will realize a true light: All Muslims who refuse to abandon Islam must die. Only then can we have some semblance of peace.

What begins with unbelievable violence must end in unbelievable violence, so that peace can come once more.

>>2244790

Literally nothing to do with what I posted.

>>2244795
Oh, yes it does.
This petition wasn't made by Persians. It was made for political purposes to demonize Arabs and Islam by having the UN admit massacres.

Ironically the point is just that to advocate genociding Muslims. "For peace"

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This triggers the persian

>>2244798
One doesn't have to demonize Arabs. They already are demons if they uphold the word of Islam.

Such as this: >>2244840

>>2244234


agreed. There should be way more petitions about genocides not 1400 years ago but more like 100-200 years ago but obv theres too many so I dont see what this will achieve

>>2244798
>This petition wasn't made by Persians.
It originated as idea floated around on Farsi social media for a while, then got popular in some diaspora groups who spread it on the English speaking web.

>>2245026
Also right now there's kind of an effort among some Iranian nationalists and dissident intellectual types to court the alt-right /pol/ demographic. Jason Reza Jorjani is the most notable example.

>>2244206
You realize most Iranians are Muslim because they're forced to be? None of them actually care about the religion.

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>>2244291
He was responsible for destroying much of the original city of Babylon by building replicas on top of the ruins, with his face plastered over everything.

>>2243980
>muh thing that happened centuries ago
Really now?

>>2245046
By who?

I saw the video of the savage mob murdering a woman over the Quran

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>>2243980
Oh for fucks sake
If you want to blame anyone for that blame the Azeris
They were the ones who forced The Zoroastrians to converts to Shi'ism

Now stop this autism Ali Pahlavi

>>2244206
>The average Iranian would get mad at you for trying to make the spread of Islam (the truth) look bad because Majoosi got hurt in the process
Confirmed for not knowing any Iranians. They hate arabs dude, like with a burning passion that you might find matched on /pol/. I know actual Iranians in Iran who are Muslim and detest Arabs because of their history.

>>2245046
>he fell for the "most Iranians are secular" maymay

>>2244206
>Islam (the truth)
lol

>>2245211
What's so funny, kafir?

>>2245086
That's pretty tacky.

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>>2244206
>muslims

>>2245046
>People actually believe this

>>2244399
Should we reimburse the remaining mixed descendants of Tocharians and huns for being chased and cleaned out by the Chinese, too

AHAHAHAHAHAH