Which US president is similar to Trump, in regard to policies,

Andrew Jackson

TIL Donald is a teetotaler

>>2235096
Andrew Johnson

>>2235096
Andrew Jackson, by far. Nixon in terms of levels of corruption.

>>2235096
In everything but policies Jackson. Policies he is just another corrupt president like the Gilded Age presidents

>>2235418

>levels of corruption

He isn't even in office yet. How about you let him do something corrupt before you start accusing him of it

who was the sleaziest noo yawker? one of the roosevelts or someone lesser known.

>>2235096
incompetence of john tyler
maverick personality of andrew jackson

>>2235440
>Not looking at cabinet picks
Personnel is Policy

>>2235440
The Russian ties are pretty clear.
The billionaire ties are pretty clear.
His company ties are pretty clear.

>>2235440
He's already borderline breaking nepotism laws with his son in law and is basically using loopholes to allow his sons to be his puppets and run his company for him.

>>2235448
>>2235451
>>2235452

>He has ties
>therefore he is corrupt

All politicians are corrupt then, so none are

Obama, Bush, and friends had the entirety of their existence financed by lobbies, PACs, and special interests. You're mad about Trump because he's a rich businessman and mean but he's nothing spectacular in the corrupt department.

>>2235440
The Russian documents you dumbass.

>>2235462
Except every other president has chosen their cabinet members first and foremost based on their qualifications in the field they have direct control over. Fucking look up his retarded education secretary, or the Secretary of State who clearly is tied far too close to Russia. His most qualified pick is Carson and his only real qualification is that he lived in urban housing for some time. These are not normal political/economic ties, this is aristocracy level shit going on.

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>>2235482

>The Russian documents

The what now? The fucking BuzzFeed speculation? Can you asshats seriously let this guy actually take office and possibly commit a serious scandal on his own volition before trying to attach a label to him like "Gilded Age President"

It's actually really funny considering his opponent quite literally rigged her primary election to get the nod

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>>2235483

>Except every other president has chosen their cabinet members first and foremost based on their qualifications in the field they have direct control over

You would think, but then again Obama drew up a shortlist prioritizing what your skin color was and what was between your legs first and foremost

Trump is trying to run his administration similar to a business, he is free to try this out even if it may fail

>>2235105
>>2235418
>>2235434

>>>Jackson
What was Trump's military service?

>>2235498
lol he's not running it like a business, he's running it like an auction house. There's only one thing Trump's business practices demonstrate, he can manipulate whatever shifty business he's in charge of solely towards making himself wealthier.

>>2235498
Obama had experts on his team's for most part. Qualified people of color is same as qualified people to whites.

Trump's decision is purely based on loyalty to himself not expertise in their respective fields

>>2235522

It means qualification wasn't the most important bit, it's representation. Obama believed in representation of demographics first, Trump believes in representation of business sectors.

>>2235519

This reads like a HuffPo headline

>>2235096
trump is Reagan incarnate

>>2235522
His picks have been fairly Machiavellian in many cases, and in others contrarian to the point of turning around the departments they would head. This also ignores literally appointing the best people for the job. Appointing General Mattis as Secretary of War made me cream my pants.

>>2235446
he hasnt even taken office. wait until the 21th at least to call him incompetent please

>>2235096

>reputation among US citizens

In this regard, he is actually unique.

Trump is the first to have inspired the kind of fear and desperation we saw in the efforts of the people who tried to impede his progress at every step along the way in the election. So many people believed that it was an existential and ideological absolute necessity for them to prevent him from getting the Republican nomination, and later winning the election. The massed opposition to his rise to power- and the shared panic- from many groups that normally hold disparate opinions, is singular in the history of this country.

I have no doubt that he will be considered the most disruptive leader that the US has ever had, judging purely by the sociopolitical establishment's reaction to him.

>>2235537
his cabinet picks are incompetent. his twitter blunders are pathetic and show a lack of competence for the job

>all these ignorant cockgobblers comparing this obese conmanchild to Andrew fucking Jackson

Please do the world and your nation a favor, jump off a cliff.

>current events

>please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago.

>>2235462
>hillary is more corrupt just look at the clinton foundation

>>2235580
>twitter determines the ability of someone to lead a nation
Really set my marshmallows on fire.

>>2235586
This is humanities and /his/ is /leftypol/

>>2235440
>literally doesn't show his taxes.
>doesn't divest himself of his business interests.
>not corrupt.

>>2235622

>doesn't show his taxes

OMG x3

>>2235612
>the president of the country wakes up at 3 and says that we will restart the arms race
>he is clearly capable of leading the nation.
really fires up the ol' vaccum tubes.

>>2235626
>most important public servant doesn't show his fucking Income tax.
>it's alright because he is a successful businessman.

>>2235634

He isn't being elected to show his income tax

He's an obstructionist candidate and it's succeeding

>>2235615
/his/ is /pol/-lite. Nobody can even talk about anything even remotely leftist without mass shitposting. I enjoy shitting on tankies as much as the next guy, but I wish we could actually have some discussion sometimes.

>>2235641
just curious, what is he obstructing?

>>2235570
Half of the country literally seceded when Lincoln was elected.

>>2235622
Cause he is in middle of an irs investigation so publishing his taxes during it would be retarded any lawyer would tell you so. Real question is why is he being investigated in middle of his campaign clearly another case of Obama using irs as a weapon to harasa political opponents

Teddy Roosevelt. He thought of himself not as republican or democrat first rather the peoples president. He was very much a nationalist and militaristic. Both came from very wealthy backgrounds. Theodore roosevelt as a republican supported and pioneered workers rights and was criticized as socialist by some. He was also called a bigot by many. He demanded that immigrants assimilate and speak english and hated multiculturalism. He was very skeptical and harshly criticized italians just like trump does with mexicans today.

>>2235653

The progressive descent towards total globalism/world economy and open borders. Which categorically hurts Americans.

>>2235509
>Most similar
>Most

>>2235418
Nixon's corruption is pretty much a meme.

>>2235434
Correct, except Jackson was a legitimate badass in battle, while Trump was a draft dodger.

>>2235661

This was my first thought. People just have a positive association with Teddy and a negative one with Trump so it's inconceivable to make the connection.

>>2235658
The IRS has gone ahead and stated that he is free to release his taxes. He hasn't, and he is the fucking president. He isn't running a business now and transparency NEEDS to be the order of the day, especially with all these disturbing rumors about him being a russian patsy.

>>2235418
>Nixon in terms of levels of corruption.
Nixon was based though.

>>2235482
Are you talking about the documents where he hires two crossdressing prostitutes to quote the Dark Knight Rises for him, or the documents that blame him for the death of Harambe?

>>2235663
>globalists/world economy
>trump has businesses in several countries world wide, uses illegal mexicans in construction and chinese steel.

>>2235451
>The Russian ties are pretty clear.
In your mind

The rest can't even be called corruption. At least not yet. Nothing legally incorrect has happened.

>>2235580
>his cabinet picks are incompetent.
So you say.

>>2235631
At least this president will in fact be awake at 3 a.m when all the sandpeople start getting uppity a world away.

>>2235653
Corporate takeover of the United States.

>>2235670
I think it's pretty much confirmed at this point he's hiding something, something worse than simply paying no income tax. He has no reason to refuse to release them if he isn't.

>>2235676

>look look another circumstantial connection that could possibly be a bad thing

We had two major candidates, and they ran on different platforms. His platform was what I just mentioned. That's all there is to it at this point, let his actions after the fact speak for themselves. At the very least it won't amount to what would have occurred under Hillary "I want a global economy" Clinton.

>>2235663
>the globalist billionaire who stated from day 1 that he wasn't going to stop running his businesses will clearly try to end globalism!

How can you be this fucking retarded?

>>2235684
His pick for Secretary of the Treasury was literally the senior manager of Goldman Sachs. Even Trumpcucks can't be this delusional.

>>2235682
>obongo was always sleeping during night.
yeah. It's not like the white house has protocols to alert the president at anytime when shit hits the fan.
What's trump gonna do? Start a live feed of what is happening in the oval office during an emergency?

>>2235684
>exxon CEO and goldman sachs execs at key positions in his cabinet.
I see.

>>2235661
>Comparing him with Teddy
At best trump pretends to be like teddy during his campaign, but he was never like him before presidency

He's like
HONEST
ABE
INCON!
HONEST ABE!

>>2235658
Its actually Trump using those cheap tactics. Remember the time trump accused obama of not being a natural citizen effectly parroting wingnut conspiracy theories? And even after obama proved him wrong with clear evidences on twitter he still goes on

>>2235690
Trump has actual business interests that conflict with his goals. He is in favor of removing sanctions on a hostile state because exxon has signed a deal with them to drill for oil in the arctic.

>>2235695
>Start a live feed of what is happening in the oval office during an emergency?

Probably, unless it was top secret.

>>2235677
Where there is a way for abuse, there is good chance of corruption

>>2235694
>>2235697
>Billionare is President
>Wanting to actually seal off borders and keep cheap labor sources from entering the U.S

Yes, it truly is impossible that someone would ever go against their own interests out of a feeling of public service.

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Which US vice president is similar to mike pence?

>>2235731
>he feels so much for public service
>that he actively colludes with the state that is against the US led world order.

>>2235729
>>2235729
yeah.
>Putin just invaded Latvia. SAD!

>>2235731
I'd trrump bill gates and Warren buffet to be a good billionaire. Trump/Goldman sach has no history of goodwill towards public and they are purely in the business o self interest and profits for themselves.

>>2235731
You shills really stopped trying after he won the election and the goyim figured it out, huh?

>>2235730
>Where there is a way for abuse, there is good chance of corruption

Under that kind of logic the whole government from Congress, the Court, the Presidency, and the executive branch is corrupt. In fact where ever there is a slight accumulation of power, there is to be corruption. Yet, I don't think most people are banging down the doors of city hall.

>>2235739
but bill gates doesn't help americans. He helps third worlders where an equivalent amount of money goes a long way.

I know some people have respect for "misguided" and "gullible" Trump supporters that ate up his bullshit, but really, the only people I have any respect for are people who voted to see the world burn or the bigots. And I hate them for other reasons.

>>2235747
don't you know anon Bigotry is now in vogue.

>>2235738
>he actively colludes
Literally memes.
>with the state that is against the US led world order.
Neocon propaganda. There is no need for a U.S world order.

>>2235750
>there is no need for a US world order
ah yes. There is no need for a world order that has benefited the US tremendously in the last 50 odd years.

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>>2235731
>billionaire who used said cheap sources of labour and picks his CEO friends in cabinet will suddenly go against cheap labour sources

No one can be this dangerously naive

>>2235750
>t. Non-American

Fuck off.

>>2235738
>Putin just invaded Latvia. SAD!
>Mocks the tweets.
>The very ones which made Trump's Pre-inauguration period the most productive in history.

>>2235758
Oh, you would be surprised.
Politics seems to have become a football game now.

>>2235760
Jimmy Carter would like to have a word with you.

>>2235750
>Literally memes.
>NATO keeping russia in check while it's economy contracts.
>"Nato is obsolete because it is old"
sure thing

>>2235758
>No one can be this dangerously naive
>The wall will never be built!!
>He isn't serious!!
>No one can actually hold that position and win!!
>He'll pivot any day now!!
>Now that he's President watch as the wall fades into a forgotten promise!!
>He's wants the wall built already!! HAHA He isn't making Mexico pay for it. You Trumpcucks got DUPED HAHA.

>>2235661
Don't insult Teddy like that. Trump would be lucky to be 1/100th of the progressive Teddy was. And yes I mean progressive, as in the progressive era, not the boogeyman term. Trump is a stooge.

>>2235745
>>2235757
>benefited the US tremendously in the last 50 odd years
because terrorist attacks perpetrated in response to america's neocon warhawk foreign policy resulting in america being in a state of total war with TSA agents molesting everyone before they attempt to travel was such a great benefit to the american people and beyond, wasn't it?

>>2235778
>slippery slope

>>2235770
Carter was a hardcore moralfag who shouldn't have been running a country. Way too good of a person to be involved in politics at all.

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>>2235778
>get BTFO
>suddenly changing to the subject of the wall
At least be more subtle in your shilling.

>>2235782
I too like being underage.
Or did you forget the 50 odd years before that when america was held by much of the world to be a helpful benefactor who helped them emerge from ww2, the extremely high quality of life people enjoyed because american interests were secured and being american was something to be proud of?

Of course you don't vatnik,

>>2235773
Literally, Russia has only become recognized "threat" to the United States in the last 3 months. When that statement was made, it was completely accurate, because it was organization meant to keep Russia in check, when Russia had no real need to be kept in check, and now existed to force the US to subsidize every two bit European military. And Russia still isn't a real threat as per Obama, the current President's words himself. Russia is only a "threat" to sore losers and paranoid neocons thinking the Cold War has returned.

>>2235796
not anymore though
>vatnik
I'm confused. Is he that Russian guy who hacked the DNC?

>>2235801
Russia has literally been a threat since WWII

>>2235791
Anon my post was to point out that Trump is already in fact moving to fulfill his promises to eliminate cheap foreign labor sources. Clearly you need to practice your critical reading skills.

>>2235806
>Russia a threat after the fucking Soviet Union collapsed and they entered into socio-economic turmoil

Go to bed McCain.

>>2235803
>not anymore though.
>instead we should return to being a hermit kingdom even though (((globalization))) has benefitted american's quality of life the most.

>>2235801
>russia making inroads into the EU is not a threat to the america backed organization.

Russia is not a threat because NATO keeps it contained. Russia is fucked up the ass due to sanctions. They are being slowly choked out.

And now Trump comes in and says that NATO is irrelevant and russia is our friend, which suddenly means putin has a lifeline to create his Soviet union again.
People are damn right to be worried, seeing as the US is going to abandon their allies and undo all the victories during the cold war.

>>2235806
Back in 2012 Barack Obama himself stated that Romney was stuck in a "Cold war era" understanding of geopolitics after Romney claimed that Russia was America's greatest threat.

Look at him now.

>>2235808
I will see when that happens.
Guess all those corn farmers won't like him so much then.

>>2235096
Trump is just the light skinned version of Obama.

>>2235818
Russia didn't invade ukraine during 2012. Russia invading a prospective nato country did raise alarm bells.

>>2235813
not the poor

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>>2235808
>thinking that a wall can stop most of the cheap labour sources entering the country through the border

>instead of being a meaningless and ineffective gesture
Once again, dangerously naive

>>2235818
It's almost like Russia didn't invade and annex part of a sovereign nation at that time. Fuck off Ivan, this thread is the laziest shilling from your bunch in a while.

>>2235827
>refuse to learn new skills to adapt to a changing economy
>"abloobloo, globalization is bad because I can't jump straight into a factory after finishing high school and get a big fat paycheck"

>>2235832
sure (((anon))) i'll take a loan from you!

>>2235813
>undo all the victories during the cold war.
>Being this brainwashed by the Neo Cons

There is only ONE victory that matters in the Cold War and that was killing off Communism. Everything else is irrelevant. As long as Russia doesn't intend to nuke the United States, there is no reason to stop Russia from doing anything. Who gives a flying fuck if Kazakhstan is reabsorbed into Russia.

And NATO keeping Russia contained is a meme, because clearly it hasn't in the slightest capacity considering Putin still manages to wave his tiny impotent dick keeping a nearly useless dictator in power against the wishes of the "West."

>>2235831
how can i be russian if i'm not even white? your paranoid schizophrenia is showing. i swear i don't have any WMDs!

>>2235796
>Or did you forget the 50 odd years before that when america was held by much of the world to be a helpful benefactor who helped them emerge from ww2

Which we did for the sole reason of keeping the world from falling under the heel of Communist autocracy, The threat has ended, and now the only thing the U.S world order leads to is chaos.

>>2235830
He also intends to crack down on visa overstays.

>>2235849
Good deflection, I can see you went to the Goy Emperor school of argument.

>>2235653
Progress

>>2235860
Ah finally a measure that actually works! We will see if he actually pushes an effective measurement. But after what has already been posted, I wouldn't be holding my breath

>>2235863
Whoa whoa whoa, anon. Keep the antisemitic commends to a minimum

>>2235604
great response lol

>people comparing a draft dodger and bank lover to fucking andrew jackson

>>2235871
>getting btfo this hard

Embarassing senpai

>>2235451
lol that's all you can come up with

>>2235832
>refuse to learn new skills to adapt to a changing economy
>Everyone in their 40s and 50s has the capacity to retrain themselves to be an engineer.
>Implying there are even enough engineering positions available to meet the surplus
>implying even if there were, the wages wouldn't plummet into the toilet.

>>2235882
Antisemitism is the one thing I will not tolerate. NYET!

>>2235735
who?

>>2235884
>>2235832
>being a wagecuck
>relying on capitalist job creators for livelihood
>praise capitalism while only talking about the free market and never about capital
>not owning a capital in a cooperative and paying yourself a big fat paycheck for factory work
America...

>>2235889
>make nonsensical claim
>get called out
>LOL ITS ALL A JOKE GUYS

Trumpcucks really try hard to emulate him huh? You should stop leaving your containment board and embarassing yourself.

>>2235893
>wagecuck
>>/r9k/
>>/jp/
NEETs and degenerate leeches go thataway

>>2235894
>implying I browse /pol/
too fast. I can, however, assist you in getting a new password and I will definitely help you out with your security problems

>>2235897
If you own a business you aren't a wagecuck. You are a capital bull. That's why they call it a bull economy when there is high investment in capital. It means it's time to cuck wageslaves.

>>2235901
So are you going to attempt to defend your retarded position, or just keep shitposting?

remember always trust the CIA :D

>>2235909
you seem pretty dumb

>>2235909
no because i'm obviously a hired troll from st. petersburg. why are you still responding to me?

>>2235914
i personally trust the KGB more than the CIA
>Soviets dindu nuffin wrong to afghanistan

>>2235925
why trust either of them?

>>2235927
one drilled nixon. that's why

>>2235909
Anon, give me your email.
Pleaaaaase?

>>2235684
>Corporate takeover of the United States.

That's why he held a gathering with a bunch of millionaires where he was recorded telling them "We're gonna cut your taxes!!!!!!" to a hail of cheers.

>>2235839
Does Obama have a BBC then by comparison?

>>2235892
Mike 'LGBTQ BBQ' Pence

Lyndon B Johnson?

>>2235839
>it doesn't have the slightest capacity
then why isn't Putin annexing everything east of germany into his new soviet empire then?

>who gives a fuck if kazakhstan is reabsorbed...
the kazakhs for once. I am sure countries like poland, and baltic states will object to be under the russian yoke again like they were during the cold war.

>>2235831

>It's almost like Russia didn't invade and annex part of a sovereign nation at that time.

Georgia. Also, part of being a good leader is having the clairvoyance to know or suspect the intentions of others. Obama has routinely mis-estimated events.

Why would anyone argue with trump shills being paid to shout down anyone who is in opposition to him from their Estonian hovels?

>>2236188

>then why isn't Putin annexing everything east of germany into his new soviet empire then?

Because of NATO's expansion. Or did you think the Russians would just sit back and watch themselves get encircled?

This entire situation is a part of the greatest Russian op in history. How much do you think they are giving Trump to betray his country? 3 billion? 4?

>>2235096
He's like a worse version of Andrew Johnson. At least Johnson was a a true self made man.

His campaigning is kind of similar to William Henry Harrison.

I would compare him to Grant for having a corrupt cabinet, but Trump's appointee's are actually willing to go further than he is to divest themselves of any conflicts of interest. Grant was an honest man surrounded by crooks. Trump is a crook surrounded by slightly less awful crooks. I would trust Tillerson to be president over trump desu.

>>2236215
because it's entertaining. Ivan thinks that presidents shouldn't show their tax returns to the nation because there isn't any hard and fast law for it.

>>2235096
Hitler! No wait... Hitler! Uhhh.. HITLER HITLERHITLERHITLERHITLERHITLER WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2236439
Well you had trump supporters chanting "Hail Victory" with their hands raised.

>>2235808
Really? And who's gonna build the wall? Americans?

>>2236452
the congress is full of mexicans.

>>2236439
Why the fuck to Trump supporter keep pretending people actually act like this
>Well I once met a girl who did it
In this fucking tread, you're only making yourself look like an idiot

>>2236474
they elected someone who believes that vaccines cause autism.
They can be safely called idiots.

>>2236474
Because it happens. All the time.

>>2235661
>Teddy Roosevelt. He thought of himself not as republican or democrat first rather the peoples president.
Roosevelt was very much a republican until he ran against Taft, it's just that when he formed the bull moose party the progressives migrated and left the conservative wing of Republicanism in charge and it stayed that way since then.
>He was very much a nationalist and militaristic.
Trump sides with foreign powers (Russia) over his inteligence offices. He also dodged the draft while Teddy went out of his way to see combat.
>Both came from very wealthy backgrounds.
Teddy larped as a cowboy. Trump branded himself as a luxury supplier, actually moving away from his father's focus on housing for the poor and the middle class.
>Theodore roosevelt as a republican supported and pioneered workers rights and was criticized as socialist by some.
Nobody is calling Trump a socialist. Sanders was more reminescent of either Roosevelt than Trump is.
>He was also called a bigot by many. He demanded that immigrants assimilate and speak english and hated multiculturalism. He was very skeptical and harshly criticized italians just like trump does with mexicans today.
He believed in assimilation, not expulsion. He also got railed for inviting a black into the White House. For the rest of his presidency he shifted from being proactive in fixing race relations (some voters would drop him if he did) and mostly OK'ed the march of social reformation.

>>2236524
hey, where can I read more about trump's dad? Seems pretty good, building houses for the poor and middle class markets.

>>2236188
>the kazakhs for once. I am sure countries like poland, and baltic states will object to be under the russian yoke again like they were during the cold war.

Doesn't mean it's America's job to defend them.

>>2236572
>america's job
No, it's expected that since you have an alliance you honor it.
But I suppose going back on a contract is now going to be considered smart and sticking it to the jews.

>>2236585
>"I'm a proud supporter of small business"
>Stiffs every business he can so he could brag about low cost openings

Trump probably tips 10% at restaurants too.

>>2236585
And we're now right back to reorganizing NATO. His original position.

No U.S. president has been like Trump. The best comparison is Italy's Silvio Berlusconi. But even that doesn't really work, since Berlusconi is a self made man and Trump is a fuck up rich kid.

For fuck's sake, Trump hasn't done anything yet
He's not even the president yet

>>2236636
>reorganizing nato
>while a belligerent russian state is threatening current nato members and prospective members.

>>2235112
>Unironic TIL

>>2235680
no an argument. appointing people who's ideas goes against the department they're running is incompetent to say the least.

>>2235612
>twitter
ad hominem

>>2236692
>ad hominem
read your comment again and i take that back. but the guy can't help himself from writing controversial tweets it shows the impulsiveness of a child, which is confirmed by his refusal to read intelligence briefings.

>>2235451
>>2235482

>People actually believe literal CTR propaganda

I guess Pizzagate is real too then

>>2236712
>trump appointing the CEO of one of the biggest oil companies on earth that is in the process of signing a huge deal with russia that is currently crippled by sanctions
>trump is also unabashedly Pro russia to the extent that he says that NATO is obsolete while NATO is needed in europe more than ever since the end of the cold war.
>this is CTR propaganda.

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>>2235451
>The Russian ties are pretty clear.

>tfw youre so desperate for some sort of scandal you literally just make one up and think because shit tier publications like buzzfeed or slate writing about it gives it some form of legitimacy

why cant you faggots just accept that she was god awful and no one in america liked her?

>>2236795
>buzzfeed or slate
>joe biden confirms he received it and passed it along to the FBI.

>>2236795
>no one in america liked her.
>got 3 million votes more than trump in the more economically prosperous parts of the country.

>For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago.

Memba the sticky? I memba the sticky.

>>2236826
It's humanities.

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>>2236807

>faggot hipsters in LA and jew york like her though!

wow, its nothing. These are the same retards that didnt even know what the electoral college was. Hillary was also shit, so I dont get why you guys are wasting so much energy shilling for her

>>2236826
we are all gonna get banned anyway.
Make hay while the sun shines I suppose.

>>2236828
>More people vote for Hilary than Trump
>Lol faggots, deal with it
How did no one like her when more people voted for her than against Mr Popular?

>inb4 he would have campaigned differently and STILL won if he wanted to.

>>2236835

No one cares if two dinsley populated cities of retards like her. The rest of the country, real people, preferred Trump.

She lost, youre idiots, Trump is president, and it wasnt the big bad russian boogeyman. Deal with it loser.

>>2236846
>the real country folk liked trump
>the economic and cultural centers of america don't matter. NASCAR watching folks who elected a NY billionaire because he talks like them are the only true americans.

If you haven't noticed, we aren't talking about hilary at all. The election is over, trump is going to be president and he has clear ethical violations going into his job.

He scammed you faggots good. Deal with it.

>>2236846
>real people

True Scotsman, etc.

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>>2236856
>>the economic and cultural centers of america don't matter.

they obviously dont since Hillary lost :)

also, thanks for endless shitty remake reboot prequels, the lion king musical, and god awful post modern pseudo art that no one cares about oh mighty "cultural centers of america"

>>2236494
Really? Show me where in this thread where someone other than >>2236439 who incoherently screeches externally

>>2236864
>the country's economy doesn't matter since hilary lost.

I guess that is what you will be telling when nothing changes.

>>2236856
>trump is going to be president and he has clear ethical violations going into his job.

as if hillary didnt. get your head out of your ass. I voted for Trump, but at least I knew full well the guy was a scumbag. At least for all the bombastic shit he says, at least he never did something as tasteless and barbaric as this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU

fuck hillary clinton

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>>2236870

>tfw you get blown the fuck out on both points and this is the only thing you can come up with

lol.

Thank you CULTURAL CENTERS OF AMERICA for this amazing """"culture""""!

>>2236877
>nothing tasteless.
>groping women is not tasteless and crass
>attempting to destroy the US led hegemony of the world is regular scumbag behavior

You elected an orange baboon into the white house who is going around actively antagonizing US allies and destroying the international apparatus that keeps the US at the top of the world order.

Justify it all you want, this is what you and your people did.

At best we can hope that pence takes the reign and doesn't allow trump to declare war on a nation when someone drives a truck into his trump tower.

>>2235096
>character
L. Johnson and Obama because of the ego. Also Reagan because of his showman personality.

>policies
McKinley maybe because of the outdated belief in protectionism.

>>2236884
>America's economy is actually in the rustbucket and subsidized corn farms.

>not states like new york and cali that subsidize the rest of the country.

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>>2236900

>cultural centers of america

>>2236846
>hurr durr literally the majority of the population isn't "real"

What a fucking retarded thing to say.

>>2236899

>Obama has one of the biggest egos ever

>normies like him because hes "cool" or whatever

this is what made me stop being a democrat tbhfam. seeing how dumb other democrats could be, especially after all the shit they gave republicans during the bush years.

>>2236910
>implying hollywood and broadway haven't had more impact on american culture and export of it around the world more than every other state in the US except maybe texas.

Yes, because when people think of America, they don't think of the statue of liberty, or HOLLYWOOD but of NASCAR and talking to snakes.

>>2236912

yes. I know you guys like to think youre the center of the universe, but you arent. No one cares how much you whine and have a hissy fit, you dont get to control the fate of the entire nation.

>>2236877
>at least he never did something as tasteless

Being extremely tasteless is literally the only reason he is famous.

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>>2236924

>cultural center of america

reminder that blues, jazz, rock, and country are all from the south :)

>>2236925
>the fate of the entire nation should not be decided by the majority but by the minority who live in backwaters and howl about gibsmedats.

>>2236935
And the only reason that they were exported abroad or became associated with america was due to Hollywood and New York.

>>2236925

Literally what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>2236937

>these people should get to decide the fate of the nation

>being this mad simply because the country wont be flooded with more niggers.

>>2236944

>w-well we shilled it!

exactly. Because you have no culture, just shitty McDonalds manufactured culture that no one else likes.

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>>2236962
>more niggers
>US is full of niggers anyway and everyone in the south is a fucking mutt.
ayylmao.

>>2235529
So how come the Repulicans arent kissing his ass all day?

>>2236968
>our american culture is the true culture.
>the fact that blues jazz and rock and roll were influenced by the the coastal elites and popularized by them means nothing.

Rednecks talking about culture is oh so adorable.

>>2236828
lmao, so now several hundred million people can be boiled down to hipsters? is this how they argue on /pol/?

>>2236979
yes indeed.
See trump would have won if niggers had 3/5th of a regular folk's vote.

>>2236976

You cant really claim to be the "center" of culture and then concede that you have no culture, you just shill it. This is why you dont get to decide the fate of the country anon. Youre a very dumb and petty person, which is ironic since thats why you hate trump so much.

>>2236983

Trump won with black people having a full vote you idiot. This pissy joke doesnt even make sense lol

Cities aren't real.
Educated people aren't real.
Ambitious and successful people aren't real.
American culture isn't real.
People who don't live in the same town they were born in aren't real.
People who pay most if the tax revenue aren't real.
People who spell words correctly aren't real.
People who aren't afraid of different ethnic backgrounds aren't real.
People who care whether their president is a retard aren't real.

>>2235953
And no cares about this.

Let it burn.

>>2236993
>concede that you have no culture.
No you retard. Culture is largely perceived by people. The blues may have originated in the south, but they take their major cues from african music. the south had that glancing influence on it that the coast did. Only one of them claims it as their own heritage to prove that The coasts have no culture, despite the fact that the oldest US cities are on the east coast, the most prestigious american academic institiutions are on the east coast and the greatest examples of american expansion westward is in california.

>>2237000

>getting this mad and bitching to no one because your petty point was BTFO and you lost in a democratic election

lol youre such babies. And over such a shitty candidate like hillary to.

>>2236998
How come he got less votes then lol.

>>2237011
>such babies
Well seeing as the current president of the united states can't speak coherently to reporters without rambling, I guess being a babby is now in vogue.

>>2236718
>trump is prompting detente with russia
>let's appoint someone with no history of dealing with russia

NATO is obsolete. Russia tried to join NATO in the 90s, but were denied while NATO continued to vacuum up former Soviet Bloc countries.

>>2236910
you cite that video as if all the people that voted for hillary are white college age feminists and identitarians.

>>2236925
you're strawman is so ridiculous that i think you're playing the troll. he didn't say that one half the population is better than the other. all he said was that a majority voted for clinton, and our so-called "democracy" should have presidential elections where a majority decides the outcome of the election, no matter what part of the votes for either candidate.

>>2236935
the irony is that the ancestors of the white people who voted trump did not invent any of that. all of those genres of music derived from black culture, most of whom vote democrat.

>>2237015

Because he played to win the electoral college, not the popular vote. Something should have told the brilliant Hillary that the popular vote doesn't count.

>>2237011
>lol librul tears, btfo!!!

Behold, one of the only two responses trumptards have when anyone points how stupid they're being. (The other of course being to accuse everyone of being shills.)

>>2237010
>The blues may have originated in the south, but they take their major cues from african music.

so in other words, not NYC or LA

>the south had that glancing influence on it that the coast did.

no it didnt. you are being stupid on purpose because you realize how idiotic you were and are too arrogant to just admit it.


>despite the fact that the oldest US cities are on the east coast,

the fact that you have to change it to the entirety of the east coast instead of just new york is you admitting you were fucking wrong about NYC being the "cultural center of america" Also, the oldest city in America is in Florida. St. Augustine 1513. So good job being wrong about that as well. Thats just one more thing the South has above you.


You went from arguing NYC and LA are the cultural centers of america to "the east coast has the most prestigious universities"

you moved the goal post this much because you realized how wrong you were and how right I am. All because youre too stupid to understand the electoral college and are butthurt your shitty democrat candidate lost.

once again, Trump won, Hillary lost, NYC and LA dont get to decide the fate of the country, and it wasnt russian hackers. Deal with it pleb.

>>2237015
In the USA the popular vote only matters in presidential elections for determining which states go for which candidates because the USA is a collection of different societies and a pure popular vote election would mean certain regions could dominate the election simply by having more people, the college limits the effect any one state can have on the election.

>>2237021

>you cite that video as if all the people that voted for hillary are white college age feminists and identitarians.

That and sub-90 IQ non-whites. Congratulations, you have a broad coalition of inner-city savages, coastal elitists and campus marxists.

>>2236712
Election is over Shlomo, its MSM or CIA now, didn't your rabbi tell you? Better stay up to date or your shekel flow might be cut off, no use in a lazy shill.

>>2237021
>white college age feminists and identitarians.

yeah because that crowd is known for its love of Trump

youre a fucking dumbass. I know you think youre intelligent, but you have a little bird brain. You

Reminder that all Trump ever wanted is for intelligent and successful people to respect him, and the reason he's so pissed off all the time is because they still don't.

>>2237053

>democrats
>intelligent and successful

really made me think

>>2237059

I doubt anything makes you think. But actually this isn't a dem/rep thing. There are plenty of smart republicans, but they don't respect Trump either. Only the absolute dregs of society love him, he knows it, and it drives him crazy.

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>>2237067

>intelligent and successful

>>2237067
>do everything in your power to show a strongman retard persona in order to pander to working class scum
>retards somehow misread this as you wanting respect from elities and intelligent people

You might want to get your head checked buddy.

>>2237053

Respect is earned and he hasnt treated very many segments in american society with respect so why should they show it?

If you piss on the press and intelligence agencies they will piss back. Regardless of who "started it".

I mean https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813003030186622976

This is his christmas twitter card. No wife, no kids, no VP just him giving a half assed fist bump.

If he just had a tree there I would respect it more.

>>2237082
Ever since he announced his candidacy he has been treated with disdain. He is treating people exactly the same way they began treating him.

>>2237077
You do realize that trump was part of new yorks decidedly liberal elite and hobnobbed with hollywood celebs for most of his life.

>>2237082
>Respect is earned and he hasnt treated very many segments in american society with respect so why should they show it?

>the same retard bragging about how fucking amazing LA and NYC are as the centers of the universe is saying this

holy shit hahahah!

literally everything you guys hate about Trump is all shit you exhibit.

>>2236215
This is some levels of delusion if you think the shouting isn't coming from the other side.

>>2237094
>there is only one librul in the thread and me and my bruders are blowing him away.
>>2237092
Only those people are important parts of the american state being intelligence agencies and the 4th estate. He became president. Time for him to act presidential instead of shitposting on twitter all day.

>>2237102
>>there is only one librul in the thread and me and my bruders are blowing him away.

it hardly matters when you believe the same retarded shit. How can you actively be this unaware to say that about Trump but not realize you are the same fucking thing?

>He became president. Time for him to act presidential instead of shitposting on twitter all day.

t. someone that loves Obamas appearance on podcast and tv shows all the time.

>>2237077

He panders to scum *because* the elites reject him. His whole life has been about trying to be one of the elites, but for 40 years he's just been a punchline.

>>2237092

There were a few moments where he sounded presidential like shutting up Cruz about the resilience of New Yorkers. But most of the disdain is a result of his words. Calling most mexicans who come here as rapists and thieves is not something that any decent person should respect.

Theres ways to be for border security and assimilation/deportations without sounding like a bigot.

For the record though I dont actually think Trump is a racist. At least not anymore so than most americans.

>>2237094

LA and NYC are both shit holes. Add San Fran and other gentrified shit holes. I prefer a nice comfy cabin in the woods. What now? That too complicated for you?

>>2235953
Is this supposed to be a profound discovery ?

Trump has always said that he will cut taxes, it's not his fault that you are brain damaged and got all your news from HuffPo.

>>2237109

>arm chair psychologist

kill yourself

>>2237102
The intelligence agencies are bloated and a waste of money. Except for Homeland Security which did not exist at the time, these agencies saying Russia is responsible for hacking are the same agencies that said Iraq had WMDs and other things that have been proven lies. The media has treated him with disdain and misrepresentation, they are getting exactly what they deserve.

>>2237093
No shit, so why would he go full retard now if he wanted their respect? You think anybody who actually matters respects pandering clowns like Limbaugh or Colbert?

>>2237109
That makes no sense, unless you mean he's just given up now.

>Dude Trump is a russian spy lmao
Plz tell me not anybody here is this fucking retarded. This is "Obama is a muslim communist" tier.

>>2235096
Teddy Roosevelt.

>>2235953

as opposed to Hillary who was a wall street puppet and told them "You Need Both a Public and a Private Position"

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927

>>2237131
/thread

>>2237119
>iraq had WMDs
wrong they had conflicting reports and it fell to the president to decide.

Saying that you need to gut intelligence agencies because they said mean things to you and you are too smart to listen to actual intelligence reports is some NoKo levels of delusions.

Yes. the media treated him with disdain because he acted like a sanctimonious cunt on every fucking issue under the sun. He acted like a crass baboon and was lambasted for it, and now that he is the president, he is still acting like he is on the election trail.

Shillary and email memes won't save him when he has to take hard decisions that he can't bluster his way out of.

>>2237129

its true though. I read a buzzfeed article about it written by Cuck Millenialstein

>>2237129
I don't think he is a spy but him trashing NATO and lifting the sanctions on russia is probably on Putin's christmas wishlist seeing as the US has been able to pin russia down with economic sanctions

>>2237132
>trump literally hires a goldman sachs executive and the CEO of exxon as his secretaries of treasury and state.

>>2237143
>probably on Putin's christmas wishlist
It should be on the worlds wishlist. Its certainly on the wishlist of American citizens as NATO is a drain on our country which brings us into unnecessary conflicts.

>>2237152
>yeah dude, an alliance that has prevented europe from falling into and aggression from russia should be on the world's wishlist.

The US dragged the NATO into iraq, not the other way around.

>>2237152
See if you want people to not think you're a filthy slavic shill, you need to tone down the enthusiasm a bit. I can practically hear the subhuman shouting from here.

>>2237156
>aggression from russia
Are you retarded? There is no "aggression from Russia" in Europe. The US instigated Coup against Viktor Yanukovych warranted a response from Russia and it got one. Same with Syria.

>>2237149
Mnuchin was a GS executive 14 years ago, he has done other things since then. Tillerson has experience dealing with other countries as a multinational corporation CEO. He said he wasn't going to appoint political elites and that's what he's done. If Trump appointed nobodies with no experience people would be complaining that he's putting the nation at risk, if Trump appointed political elites people would be complaining that he's doing the same thing as every other president.

>>2237138
Colin Powell literally told the UN in 2002 that 16 US intelligence agencies had agreed that Iraq had WMDs and should be stopped.

The first question he was asked during the RNC debates was about some comments he had made about women in the past that in no way have anything to do with politics. That and other instances largely affected the tone of the election. It wasn't about being potentially being the first president that never held an elected office since Eisenhower or the first ever to have no military experience also.

>>2237152
>NATO is instrumental in upholding the american way of life, lets the US have military deployed in strategic locations to ensure that in case of a war the USAF and the USN can respond decisively thus saving american lives.

>but it doesn't let papa putin liberate constantinople :^(

>>2237164
>filthy slavic shill,
I don't have drop of Slavic blood in me. Keep trying though.

>>2237171
>NATO is instrumental in upholding the american way of life
Your so off its not even funny. The "American way of life" is drowning in debt. Instead of waging war across the world for the benefit of internationalist billionaires we can fix our own country. Europe can take care of herself.

>>2237169
>Russia invading a sovereign state and annexing part of it was justified because Ukraine was worried about it and tried to cozy up to the united states.

Talk shit and get hit.
>>2237170
>he didn't appoint political elites
>instead he appointed wall street executives and CEOs of multinational companies that are trying to get a deal with a hostile state that has been choked by american and EU sanctions.

>>2237184
>Illegal coup organized by Soros and US = worried about it.
Your so out of touch with reality its amazing.

>>2237183
Yeah, guess all those vital economic supplies that the US needs to keep trucking are going to maintain themselves without friendly allies or having US forces maintaining them.

>>2237184
>surrounded by missiles
>systematically had ME allies taken out and replaced with religious nuts
>presence in global politics being actively diminished
>hostile

>>2237128
>That makes no sense, unless you mean he's just given up now.

Because you don't think the way he does. He wants to force those people to pay him respect by being in a position to bully them. It's like during the campaign, when his rivals were all mocking him, he kept saying how they were singing a different tune when they were asking for donations. As POTUS he could have these guys kissing the ring all the time. Except so far it hasn't really worked out that way.

>>2237186
>Soros is the big bad ebil boogeyman who organized a coup and is the face of globalization

Russia invaded a country that was trying to join NATO and annexed part of it. That is a danger to US hegemony and NATO lets us keep the russians in check along with the sanctions.

>>2237191
>guess all those vital economic supplies that the US needs to keep trucking
Funny how think feeding the machine which is the United States is the same as fostering an American way of life.

>>2237184
Don't you know? Wall street, bankers, and Jews are A-okay if daddy trump does it!

>>2237197
>Russia invaded a country that was trying to join NATO and annexed part of it.
No. Ukraine was trying to join the EEU.

>>2237192
>country with a tiny ass economy is angry that the world doesn't treat him with the same level of respect.

Yes, russia is surrounded by missiles. And it is to ensure that it doesn't try funny business against US interests and US allies.

>>2237202
my bad.
Guess I will kill myself now.

>>2237200
>americans get access to cheap electronics and consumer goods via those economic pipelines that allow them to live in comfort.
>it's not the american way of liffe

The american way of life which is literally a post war phenomena along with NATO which has helped maintain peace throughout the world despite what vatniks so desperately believe.

>>2237208
After the dissolution of the USSR the Russian Federation should have been welcomed into NATO and other strategic and economic alliances like they wanted. Instead they have been rejected and hobbled at every opportunity because the neoconservatives are still fighting the cold war. Russia was implicitly told reject communism and we will welcome you into the world stage, but instead they were betrayed.

>>2237219
>post war phenomena
America was the number one industrial producer after WWII. The post war phenomena is nothing like what we have now.

>>2237224
Russia sits too close to several NATO states and has a history of bad blood with them and is the biggest power in it's own back yard. Russian interests and NATO interests don't align especially in eastern europe and in the black sea. The few places that they aligned in were in the middle east and afghanistan where Russia was less hostile to US presence in trying to rebuild afghanistan.

>>2237237
>vacuum up former soviet bloc countries
>why is russia so close to nato

>>2237230
Anon, I hate to tell you but more advanced economies move to services over time because it creates more value.

Yes, the US's current industrial production is not as supreme as it once was, but with a new paradigm in the energy market around the corner, the US could easily have picked up the slack by re educating workers and focusing more on renewables and non conventional sources of energy.

He wants to be Teddy Roosevelt.

He'll end up being Warren Harding.

>>2237243
>Soviet bloc countries are free once it [COLAPSES]
>the obviously don't want that to happen again and join NATO to protect themselves as they build themselves back up.
>"Fucking NATO in my backyard,stirring shit."

Hey, if russia wasn't such a terrible overlord eastern europe wouldn't have flocked to NATO wholesale.

>>2237261
Pretty good anon.
Pretty good.

>>2237230
>lazy cunts in the country refuse to adapt
>everybody else should suffer because a bunch of niggermutts would rather to continue shitty robot-level work instead of actually learning a trade or getting a real education

We really should bring back Jim Crow laws, but actually target all poor and uneducated retards this time, that nigger inbreeding has fucked the working class.

>>2237263
>It is always a useful exercise for policymakers to view a situation as though the positions of the various parties were reversed. Imagine what the U.S. reaction would be if Russia (or any other major power) expanded a military alliance that it led and proceeded to incorporate Caribbean and Central American countries. That scenario is analogous to how a U.S.-led NATO expanded to include East European nations near or on Russia’s border. Consider further how Washington would likely react if the rival power then spoke openly of offering membership in its alliance to Canada and Mexico, and used its influence to unseat a pro-U.S. government in one of those countries. At a minimum, U.S. officials would be screaming about a blatant violation of the Monroe Doctrine and would regard the rival power’s moves as profoundly threatening.

>Russia’s behavior toward its neighbors may be abrasive, but it is operating as major powers tend to do in their sphere of influence. U.S. leaders once understood that reality. It is unfortunate, and potentially disastrous, that our current policymakers apparently do not.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/us-needs-recognize-russias-monroe-doctrine

>>2237143
>and lifting the sanctions on russia
Won't happen unless Russia does something to deserve it

Trump doesn't give out free bread.

>>2237283
Only, those countries joined NATO or the EU because their governments made the decision, not the US. They feel that it is not in their best interests to join a russia led economic union, prefering the EU or NATO.

Russia should also respect that.

>>2237284
>Russia does something to deserve it

Like getting him elected? I dunno, I guess we'll see.

>>2237305
You'd think your average /pol/ poster would be worried about the implications of a nation annexing territory by claiming that most of the people in the region think they are ethnically theirs. But not, let's just let Russia get away with that and set a precedent, no need to worry about how that could turn out a decade or two after this mass migration of mudslimes.

>>2237324
>Like getting him elected?
Right, I keep forgetting how Russians hacked the electoral college to give all those votes to Trump.

>>2237364
>hacked the electoral college
>implying the DNC wasn't hacked by cozy bear.

>>2237336
You don't think the US had any hand in any of those countries, seriously? Russia today is not the same Russia from 30 years ago. The US could have had their hand in shaping a benevolent Russia in the 90s but rejected it in order to continue fighting the Cold War.

>>2237377
>it's not the same
it tries to act like it is the soviet union while on a shoestring budget.

>>2237382
>it tries to act like it is the soviet union while on a shoestring budget.
Sorry, I missed the part where Russia was propping up anti-US regimes and arming them with the intent of destroying the US. Do you believe everything the media says?

>>2237413
>ideologically opposes the US and meddles with US interests.
>not Soviet Union-lite.

>>2237364

Russia aired all of Clinton and the DOC'S dirty laundry while withholding all information on Trump. They also spread a lot of pro-Trump fake news on social media. Are we still pretending that didn't happen?

>>2237421
Russia is opposed to the US because the US has shown itself to still be an enemy of Russia. Do you mean it meddles with US interest in destroying middle eastern states, or with the US grabbing up every eastern European state it can get its hand on?

>>2237428
There is no credible evidence that Russia was involved in the hacking. The so called, "intelligence report" release was just a smear of RT (which is just as biased as CNN) and like two paragraphs on a loose connection to Russian hacking. Furthermore there is no evidence that anyone had information on Trump or the GOP, or that it would have been as bad or worse than what was released about the DNC and Podesta. CNN and other mainstream US news companies spread their fair amount of fake news as well.

>>2237442
>the US is actually an enemy of russia comrade. Invading post soviet republics and trying to make them client states is alright.

Russia under Putin tried flexing it's muscles and tried becoming a global power again while their economy was dependent on oil.

>>2235451

>ties

Holy shit! Turns out that the figurehead of a western democracy has lots of ties!

>>2237442
>There is no credible evidence that Russia was involved in the hacking.

The entire U.S. intelligence community and 99 out of 100 senators (i.e. both political parties) found the evidence convincing. What info do you have that they didn't get?

>>2237462
>the entire intelligence community and 297 congressmen (both parties) found the Iraq resolution convincing. What info do you have that they didn't get?

>>2237457
>figurehead.
>has executive powers
>doesn't even show the taxes he pays as a public servant.

>>2237474
When has Trump held a political office and refused to release tax returns related to that office?

>>2237477
>related to that office
No, he is being asked to show his tax returns because he hasn't shown it since he started running. He is the president. People have the right to know what taxes the president paid in the previous financial year because it is an easy way of ensuring accountability.

He is in violation of several ethical guidelines already and he does not give a fuck about the gravitas of the post he has been elected to.

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>>2237470
Well the only dissenter actually went to the CIA, demanded more complete evidence, and found it insufficient.

>>2237496
>clearly the only person who doubted this evidence is in the right.

>>2237526
The issue is that no one else did the sober common sense thing and just thought with their feels or went along with it for conflicts of interest.

>>2237491
There is no law that a presidential candidate has to disclose anything about his taxes besides what the FEC requires and he has abided by that. It is only a fairly new tradition and there has been no president before Trump with the level of financial interests that Trump has.

>>2237536
>common sense thing.
matters under investigation don't fall into folksy common sense.
But hey, once trump is done gutting various US intel agencies I guess nothing will turn up.

>>2237470

So you're claiming it's fraudulent? Who is lying and why?

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>>2237548
>It's folksy to ask the spooks for citations

>>2237562
>spooks
The intelligence agencies laid out enough of their findings and convinced nearly all of the senators that there was something fishy about his ties, and only one guy kept asking for proofs and said that it was all baseless because he wasn't convinced.

>>2237573
Yea and who turned out to be right?

>>2237543
>No law
Yes, which is why it is an ethical dilemma. And trump is clearly making a terrible precedent in not showing his tax returns over the last financial year since he began running for president.

>level of financial interests
which means a higher chance that trump might be compromised especially because US citizens don't know about his financial status.

It is in the president's best interests to come clean. Trump is not doing that.

>>2237550
Don't you know it was the CORPORATIONS who wanted to FIGHT for OIL and the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX secretly funded by HALIBURTON and DICK CHENEY with his SHADOW GOVERNMENT.

>>2237580
We don't fucking know yet.

All we know is that intel agencies have said that russian hackers did attack the DNC, and Russia said no. Between trusting the CIA and Putin, I will trust the former.

>>2237588
I was talking about the Iraq Resolution. After the CIA and other intelligence agency's (we are not conducting mass surveillance on the US population) history of lying I would trust WikiLeaks and Putin over them any time.

>>2237040
>Congratulations, you have a broad coalition of inner-city savages, coastal elitists and campus marxists.
[citation needed]

>>2237595
Alright then. Just food for thought. The incoming president trusts his smarts over intel gathered by US agencies and is openly talking about clipping their wings.

>>2237600
>t. just crawled out from under a rock this morning

>>2237607
>t. everyone in my shitty small town is smart, LIKE REAL SMART but gets no jobs because of them libruls.

>>2237051
>youre a fucking dumbass. I know you think youre intelligent, but you have a little bird brain. You
ad hominem

>yeah because that crowd is known for its love of Trump
you're using that video to imply that all new yorkers and people from los angeles are like the people in the video. that is false. you've done nothing to rebut that so far.

>>2237600
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

>>2237605
The fact that the CIA and other agencies could be deemed a threat to an incoming president is reason enough to minimize their size and power.

>>2237619
>>2237623
>educated people and young people largely voted against trump.

>>2237093
>You do realize that trump was part of new yorks decidedly liberal elite and hobnobbed with hollywood celebs for most of his life.
he actually lived on the fringes of it. nobody ever took him seriously in those circles or went out of the way to socialize with him.

>>2237631
>liberal arts degree
>educated

>>2237643
>degree that teaches you to critically examine social phenomena is useless
>going to a trade school makes you smart.
We are not talking about employability, but rather critical thinking. Hell Trump's support dropped among college going whites compared to Romney-Obama.

>>2237669
>(((critical thinking)))

>>2237377
>The US could have had their hand in shaping a benevolent Russia in the 90s but rejected it in order to continue fighting the Cold War.
the western treatment of russia is vastly overrated. it was russians who made russia was it was in the 1990s.

>>2237669
>marxist indoctrination
>critical thinking

>>2237674
>>2237680
>everything that disagrees with me is judeo-bolshevism.

>>2237607
>implying you know the demographic makeup of all 100 million hillary voters
>>2237623
if you looked at the data you'd understand that you're exaggerating the differences between the two parties. the most dramatic difference was the white noneducated voters going for trump.

also gross stereotypes like "elitists" and "savages" don't align with reality

>>2237643

Says the guy who probably thinks "liberal arts" has something to do with art and/or being liberal. But anyway, it's actually all educated people. e.g. Silicon Valley was overwhelmingly anti-Trump. He even lost among military officers!

>>2237706
educated white women and men voted a bit more for trump. if you include other races/ethnicities then hillary has the advantage.

>>2237710
they voted more for trump but by a much lower margin than they did for romney.

>>2236692
>appointing people who's ideas goes against the department they're running is incompetent to say the least.

That isn't an argument either. In fact their is no argument to be had. You have already drawn a conclusion before results have been demonstrated. This is what uncritically thinking children do.

>>2236668
Which mean we are in a position of strength to force NATO members into actually pulling around their weight. Or they can get annexed by Russia. Who cares. Either way if played right, an ally is gained.

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>>2235105
god I hope so.

>>2235105
>andrew jackson
>the only president ever to pay off the US debt.
I hope that trump will do this. he will be the greatest president ever

>>2237857
He didn't pay a bunch of his debts, though.

>>2237832
someone's credentials and past actions are a reliable, but not perfect, indicator of what actions and policies they'll formulate in the future. so that anon's argument is good as far as I'm concerned. the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that this is a problem is telling.

>>2237857
any US president at the time would have paid off the countries debts. all the government had to do was roll in the dough from the sale of national lands in the west. so that jackson did pay off the debt says nothing much, especially since people had been predicting that for a long time. what is more telling is that the debt returned almost as soon as jackson left office. and arguably, that was due to his policymaking.

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>>2235570
>he will be considered the most disruptive leader
>trump caused existential and ideological absolute necessity for them to prevent him
the cause, anon, is the current popular tactic to win arguments via name calling e.g. nazi, sexist, racist, etc. one negative effect is that the person doing the name calling will actually start to believe their opponents are literal nazis.
>disagree with half the country
>everyone I disagree with is a nazi
>half the country are nazis
>cry yourself to sleep actually believing you are in nazi germany
>fighting the person you disagree with now becomes an absolute necessity

>>2237841
>leave your allies and let them get eaten
>this means an ally is gained.
I guess peeing in an electrical fire is one way of putting it out.

>>2237865
>indicator of what actions and policies they'll formulate in the future

So? Just because you are opposed to those policies doesn't mean they can be effective. That's what I'm saying. You've already drawn a conclusion that what is going on now in X department run in the usual Y way is the optimum situation we can hope to achieve. Has it ever been considered that we can improve X department by running it in Z fashion, or A fashion, or B fashion? You conclude first, then rationalize. Which is what a child does.

>>2237954
Is not allowing space for Russia space to operate a way to begin a detente with them? Is it not preferable to have a friend in Russia rather than an enemy?

>>2235536
dont tarnish good ol' niccy M with trumps decisions
Machiavellian would be picking people to placate the public hatred OR putting down any and all semblance of liberty among the populace. Trump is not a Machiavellian prince, unless he's about to destroy the american republic.

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>>2236524
>Trump sides with foreign powers (Russia) over his inteligence offices
when will this buzzfeed meme die?
when will this totally unfounded hatred towards russia die. is it because the country is too white?

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>>2235482
>It doesn't if my post makes sense, I'll post it anyway
are you>>2235482 going to answer>>2235485?

>>2237984
No, its because russia is a hasbeen that wants to be included in the big boys table and throws a temper tantrum and invades countries and annexes them to flex it's muscles. It acts against US interests and must be contained.

Also russia is filled up to the wazoo with CAR muslims. So much for being white you dumb ass snownigger.
>>2237964
Not at the cost of older allies, or allies with stronger economies or more reliable allies.

Congratulations, Trumpets. Your narcissist bully has the oval office. Never mind his shady business background, never mind he gets in twitter fights like a 14 year old girl, never mind he has no concept of what being a president means. You've done nothing but elected the great con man of our lifetime, and he'll do nothing more than sign a paper from time to time.

>>2238063
>it acts against us interests in de facto annexing half of europe and destabilizing the middle east
Sounds good to me.

>>2238103
>obama
>hope and change
>end wars in the middle east
>close gitmo
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/
>page 1 of 7
wew lad

>>2238177
>muh obama
>implying I voted for him

>>2237959
I'd love to be wrong about these guys. But I find it hard to ignore the fact that many of the cabinet members have attitudes that are contrary to the departments they are running. Again, how can you appoint a climate change denier whose think tank is funded by fossil fuel corporations to look after the interest of the rest of our citizens? How is a doctor with no policy or managerial experience whatsoever be appointed to lead the Housing Department? Hell, how can anyone without experience in politics or managing government affairs be charged with them, as many of these cabinet members are? If you mean to say "they'll run it efficiently like a business," a lot of these people are high financiers, lobbyists, or rich people with no record of managing huge organizations. And even if they did, business experience hasn't always translated well in a government context and vice-versa. Another thing you assume is that they'll have some secret, innovative way of running an organization. The best that could happen is bureaucratic chaos and the deputies secretaries will be the actual ones keeping the bureaucratic wheels greased and the whole locomotive from derailing.