Gaulish civilization

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This is Tenochtitlan, supposedly at its peak with 200,000 people. That one particular Gaulish tribe had 168,000 in it, so they must've had sizable cities

>>2222268
They didn't have cities, they had shithole hillfort settlements (glorified villages), they weren't properly urbanized before the Greek and the Romans colonized their lands

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The region had an extremely long history, longer than Rome extending far into the prehistoric area starting with cave paintings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_France

Greece had a long history of trading with them hundreds of years before the Romans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_pre-Roman_Gaul

They sure had a lot of gold, jewelry and currency:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauls#Culture

>>2222268
Taking Avaricum (actual Bourges) allowed the Romans to survive the scorched earth policy utilised by Vercingetorix.

Estimations put the number of inhabitants at around 40,000 (all but less than a thousands were massacred IIRC).

So yes, the Gauls had cities. Nothing bigger than what the Roman had but there is a reason they were integrated so well into Roman society.

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>>2222305
I'm saying that's wrong. The Romans had no problem wiping Carthaginian cities off the map, I think they wiped Gaulish cities and civilization out of history.

>>2222316
They didn't, we would've found trace of said cities if there were, we still have the tophet of Phoenician Carthage and other dozens of Carthaginian cities through the Mediterranean in Sicily, Sardinia, Iberia and North Africa

>>2222329
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibracte
30,000 habitants count as a city right?

>>2222337
Sigh...

>>2222309

It's unrelated, but I learned something recently about that Battle of Allesia; which I think most people who like Caesar don't mention on purpose.

Vercingetorix took all the old, feeble, women, children, and had them leave the city in order to maximize the amount of time that he'd have before the supplies within the walls ran out. He thought that Caesar would let them pass because they weren't actively resisting, and were of no threat to the army.

Nope.

Caesar blockaded them in a No Man's Land between the city walls, and the legion's camps. In order to make Vercingetorix and the city's defenders watch their families starve to death.

The source I read doesn't explicitly state why, but knowing Caesar it was probably either to get the defenders to come out and attack; or open the gates so that they could rush in. Otherwise one would imagine Caesar's forces should have been instructed to kill them all on sight.

>>2222329
Some ancient Gaul cities are still cities today, i.e: Vienna, and Marseille, or just ancient accounts of the cities by Caesar, for example one city, Helvetii with a population of 263,000 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii#Caesar.27s_report_of_the_numbers

>>2222341
>instead of presenting a counter argument I will act like a passive-agressive faggot
You must be a fun guy

>>2222358
Yeah this thread requires a bit of open mindedness, I must admit.

The Romans had more than enough reasons to completely erase the Gauls from history via destruction of their culture and cities. The Gauls first attacked and sacked Rome in 390 BC and defeated them in the early stages of their republic.

>>2222387

That was the Celts. I literally just read this ten minutes ago, reee.

>>2222395
Same region, same civilization.

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Herodotus talks about the ancient Celtic/Gaulish city of Pyrene, which as you can see is pretty clearly in Greek history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuneburg

>>2222268
>Gauls
>Civilized

>>2222419
>Herodotus

Stop.

>>2222427
Read the thread fuckboy.

>>2222352
Marseille was greek

Cities are large, permanent, and organized population centers. They might be established and grow for a specific reason like trade, administration or defense, but they do not exist solely to serve as trading posts or forts. Rather a city is a society in its own right with a permanent population of different castes and specialized classes like merchants, artisans, scribes, and officials, and usually acting as a center of production in a wider economy. Gallic Oppida do not generally fit this definition, as they existed not as permanent population centers or communities but were built and maintained solely as fortresses and armories without large residential populations, constructed, abandoned and re-inhabited from time to time depending on whether or not the local chiefdom feels the need to maintain them at the time.

That said, I think given time they could have developed into cities and they seem to have been moving in that direction before the Roman conquest.

>>2222268
All barbarians had villages and cities, they were a bunch of mud huts and wooden buildings though.

For some reason people put Euro tribes on par with African and American ones when they were much more similar to kingdoms.