Best and worst designed helmets

Best - Brodie
Worst - Stahlhelm

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVFm1dc8luM

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Brodie wasn't nearly as bad as you think. It was great at protecting the British soldiers from bullets and other projectiles while the troops were in the trenches.

can't you just read all the other reruns of this thread in the archive?

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>>2212328

could be worse I guess like the non-Belgian helmet

>>2212317
go away lindy

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>>2212297
Modern helmets are shaped a lot like the Stahlhelm and I believe the US army originally used a helmet similary to the stahlhem in WWII but abandoned it due to being mistaken for Germans.

So probably the Stahlhelm type.

>>2212332
Those guys look pretty tbqh

>>2212348
pretty cool*

>>2212348
gayyyyyyyyyy

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Best one

>>2212297

Isn't any modern helmet by default better than any other helmet from a functionality standpoint?

>>2212297
Best - Stahlhelm
Worst - Pickelhaube

>>2212297

>a helmet that covers the entire top of your head, when you spend most of your time in a trench and most dangers are going to come directly from above
>bad

>>2212382
Every "best designed" modern helmet is basically a modified version of stahlhelm

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>>2212297
we /aesthetic/ now

>>2212317
fucking knew it it's gonna be Lindybait

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This is perfect helmet design. You may not like it but this is what peak battlefield ergonomics looks like.

>>2212830
Only VI combines maximum protection with minimal perception and head mobility loss, but yeah, roman helmets in general were very well designed.

>>2212382
Modern helmets are designed for modern combat doctrine, and for protection your head from shrapnel and shit. For that they're no doubt better than earlier designs. For protecting your head from a sword blow? I doubt it.

In ww1, it was definitely the brodie helmet. It protected your head and inner shoulders from shrapnel fire.

The best in ww2 was the American m1.

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>>2212297
Visored Barbute > The rest

>>2213014
The visored barbute didn't actually exist, my man. It was an error by 19th century reconstructionists

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>>2213017
>Like I care when I look this dope.

>>2212345
>be American
>worship German military
>invade Iraq
>claim it's more of an achievement than conquering France and the Low Countries

How does anyone take America seriously?

>>2213034
that's a sallet.

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>>2213034
You sallet, I barbute.

>>2212830
>Segmented plates riveted to a band

It's like your metal industry got killed in the third century senpai

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Best steel-helmet.

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Stahlhelm and its modern, American descendant are poor infantry helmets.

The lower back, designed to cover the neck, pushes the helmet up and off the head whenever soldiers lie prone.

This is why the US military is slowly phasing out the Stahlhelm-like helmet, in favour of ones without neck protection.

Just like the Brody, minus the lip.

>>2212830
Is there a medieval equivalent to this helmet, or any other Roman type such as the Galea and Montefortino (which isn't really Roman)?

Lobster pots and the like are post-medieval.

One thing that I noticed is that the majority of helmet types in classical Europe were open-eared regardless of where exactly they were from, while medieval ones usually weren't. One of the few exceptions I can tgink of are kettle hats and such, but even then chances are that padding and mail might cover the ears.

I wonder if there's a reason behind it? Was there something about ancient warfare that made hits to the side of the head less probable? I was thinking it could be correlated to the length of cutting weapons - sword blades were far shorter and two-handed polearms and such were rare. Also helmets were typically made of expensive stuff like bronze, which may have limited helmet size in some cases.

>>2213117
Vision is overrated

>>2213110
Most of your early medieval helmets are constructed in more or less the same way as late Roman helmets.

By the time we see single piece skull caps being used again under a mail coif we're at the Crusades. The first true one piece helmet we see then is the bascinet but it looks nothing like those Roman type helmets you mentioned.

Hinged cheek plates weren't popular during the High and Late Middle Ages as far as I can tell. I believe Burgonets were the first one to use them again after the Early Medieval Helmets did.

As for open ears. Might be function or it might indeed be the weapons they faced. The shields of Early and High medieval soldiers weren't as large as a hoplon or scutum. Some were, but many weren't.

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>>2213134
Correct

>>2212830
>IIII
>triggerd.

>>2213134

You know that's a visor you can lift up, right?

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>muh "they used the wings because they made noise at high speed" meme
lets be honest, the only reason hussars wore them was because they looked savage af

>>2213539
Actually that is a valid way to write it
>>2213137
The larger round and kite shields definitely approach or exceed the size of a Scutum or Hoplon. There were other large shields like the infantry pavise too.
In addition, let's not forget that not all classical infantry shields were necessarily very big. The oval type of shields that were common across multiple cultures (Celtic shields, Thyreos, auxiliary Clipeus, etc) often isn't depicted as being very large, though of course size varied.

I guess the ketle hat's relatively unobstructed hearing is one of the reasons it stayed around for so long. Also some sallets seem to have been kinda loose around the side of the head, which depending on the suspension method may have helped a bit.

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>>2213097

>>2212375
What's up with that Stahlhelm?

>>2214225
Thanks for posting this. Too many Wehraboos in this thread spouting shit.

The Brodie was a fine helm for the intended fucking purpose of steel helmets: stopping overhead shrapnel.

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>>2212297
I don't care if this helmet is best or worse, I just love the look of it. I would love if people today made helmets like this with today's materials, techniques, and technology. Then wore them in war, fucking badass.

>>2212570
This thing sucked. It would be embedded into your cranium if anything passed through it.

>>2214225

It's too bad that the most functional design is so damn ugly. The original helmet is fab as fuck.

>>2213089
That horse looks like a haggard, single mother of 5 living in a trailer park

>>2214668
I reckon it would set you back something between 15.000 and 35.000

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>>2212297
>What were the best designed helmets

The Boeotian Helm.

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Are you even trying?

>>2214461
looks like someone is triggered about the fact that the Stahlhelm is vastly better than the shitty brodie, a design that's nowhere to be found nowadays and for a good reason.

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Best Helmet (pic related)

Worst Helmet - Shitty third world ripoffs of the M1 such as the M80

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>>2213104

I'd rather endure the discomfort and not bleed out from a gunshot wound to the jugular thank you.

More proof that the US Military post-2001 can't do anything right.

>>2216905
>Iraqi M80 helmet
>constructed from compressed layers of fabric coated in plastic
Was the helmet seriously made without any metals? Weren't there any concerns about protection?

>>2213097
The only real reason that they changed it to that was because nobody wanted the police walking around with the same helmet as the Nazis

>>2212297
Helmets before and under WW1 were not intended to protect you from bullets because they couldn't.

>>2212397

the pickelhaube wasnt a helmet,it was a cap that LOOKED like a helmet.

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Swiss WWI helmet

>>2213104
When I got to upgrade from an ACH to Ops-core the difference was night and day. When you have to wear that shit for hours, and run around, march, start getting hot, et c. you vastly prefer a lightweight helmet, and the fact that my ear protection clips on the the opscore and can flip up when I don't need it is great. It's ridiculously simple to adjust and easily modified.

>>2216913
This is someone who does not know what he's talking about.

>>2212830
>/fa/ Tier
II, III, IIII, VI, XI
>Would wear to battle but not to parade Tier
V, VIII, IX, X
>might as well be a german Tier
the rest

>>2213110
Might be that sound commands were more preveilant in classical warfare, while medieval combatants relied more on flags and other visionary objects in fight.

>>2216958
the only reason the nazis didn't adopt that very same helmet themselves was that it looked goofy af

>>2216959

what modern helmets can protect you from bullets
stronger than pistol caliber?

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>>2212297
stahlhelm ist best helm

>>2215330
Aesthetic and good for jousting

>>2212958
>The best in ww2 was the American m1.
Looks like you seen band of brothers a little two much

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>>2212317
>posting lindy video

>>2212924
VI looks like you'd lose your hearing. If it weren't for the weird crest on III, I'd say it's the best

>>2212375
too long

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I still love that in the 90s, a lot of games gave you +1 or +5 or +10 armor for each Barbutta you collected.

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>>2220069
what's your problem with late centurion helmets you fucking homo

>>2222068
I think it looks like a fish

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>>2221552
Even in Wolfenstien: New Order, you can do that with nazi armors

>>2222068
Looks gay 2bh

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>>2214225
We need to put this in a master infograph of "Things Wehraboos think are awesome but were actually shit"

We'd have:
> Panther
> Tiger
> StG-44
> G-43
> MP-40
> Stahlhelm
> 88mm Flak
> Kubelwagen
> Bf-109
> Me-163
> Me-262
> He-117
> The entire Waffen SS

>>2212332
/fa/ as fuck boy

>>2212375
this

The Swiss army used to look great during the 1930s and 40s
It's a shame they never saw action

>>2222740
But Come and See literally is blatantly propaganda though, even if the movie is pretty aesthetic by itself.

Also the STG, Flak 88, and BF109 were perfectly fine.

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>>2214524
>so damn ugly
It is because the original is basically a symbol of German forces and used in all WWII entertainment while the NVA variant is some obscure "commie" shit?
Because the NVA looks very good with them.
If you look long and hard at the original Stahlhelm it start to look silly.

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>implying the NVA wasn't aesthetic

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>the Irish were still using these in the 17th century

>>2212345
Modern helmets are based on the Steel pot, not the Stahlhelm.

>>2222820
NVA was basically Wehrmacht + the new helmet

>>2222740
Not a wehraboo, but what's wrong with the flak88? It was good at it's designed purpose and using it successfully as an AT weapon was a happy coincidence that worked pretty fucking well.

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>>2222740
There's literally nothing wrong with the flak 88 and it was an effective weapon. You don't have to hate everything German in order to avoid being a wehraboo.

>>2212297
>best
stahlhelm
>worst
whatever that shit the british wore
>mixed
russian and american helmets

>>2222740
But Stalin did kill more

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Best helmet coming through.

>>2222740
name a better helmet used in WWII
protip: you can't

>>2224474
Steel pot.

>>2224534
'no'

>>2213097
I like it just because of how absurdly ugly it is

>>2222740
>He 117
what the fuck are you smoking friend

>>2224474

British airborne lid.
Seriously good bit of kit for its day.

>>2222740
>no overrated mg 42

>>2223336
Seconded

>>2213091
how the fuck could anyone wear this effectively with the visor up?

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>>2214225
That rather reminds me of something...

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Kinda surprised nobody has posted the danish bellend helmet or M/23.

It actually looks like it would give high protection if made from the right stuff.

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>>2212297
Brodie wasn't so bad OP. I'd argue the worst real combat helmet was the 'Darth Vader' helm of the Iraqi Fedayeen.

Supposedly one of the Saddam brothers was a fan and thought these would be a good idea for the diehard loyalists.

Made from the finest Iraqi fibreglass of course.

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>>2222790
I'm a Communist who loves Soviet aesthetic and the NBA helmits look like shit.

>>2225197
Looks neat

>>2225197
Holy shit sadam truly was a fucking mad man

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Bow down to the superior australian head protector

>>2214225
>>2214461
>>2214524
>>2222740
>>2225103

The book I used to make that infographic "The History of the German steel helmet, 1916-1945 - Ludwig Baer" is on my mega, if you're interested.

https://mega.nz/#fm/IAhjBC6Q

>>2225122
It also looks like it gets in the way a shit ton when you go prone.

>>2223102
>whatever that shit the british wore

a dinner plate

>>2224657

>litterally a motorcycle couriers helmet with a different liner

>>2226089
Thanks.