Who was the greatest general in history?

>>2211387
Spartacus

>>2211389
Got his shit wrecked by Crassus, who was a mediocre general.

>>2211387
Hannibal Barca, history's greatest BLACK general :^)

buddha

heh..

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>>2211698

Got shrecked at Zama

>>2211387
Bai Qi. General for 30 years, captured over 70 cities. No recorded defeats.

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It would easier to account for greatness with who died on the fields like a noob or who died comfortably in their kingdom, a winner.

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Subutai.

He directed more than twenty campaigns in which he conquered thirty-two nations and won sixty-five pitched battles, during which he conquered or overran more territory than any other commander in history.

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>>2211387
Can you seriously say anyone but Alexander?
>Never lost a battle
>conquered most of the known world
How can other generals even compete?
t. Someone named after him

>>2211718
Though he was a brilliant general with a win/loss ratio approaching 9 to 1 and by the end no one dared challenge him on the battlefield directly, he did not die comfortably or a winner, but as a sad and broken man who failed to achieve his dream, having been defeated by geography.

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>>2211387


in terms of tactical genius and leadership, stonewall jackson

too bad he was stuck in an unwinnable spot

>>2211735
That and his own soldiers were idiots who shot him.

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Why do normies usually put Julius Caesar on their top generals list?

Who was the greatest general who died to dumb luck/hubris?

>>2211740
because he was fighting the same quality of men as as his

>>2211833

So did many other Roman generals

>>2211387
Almost certainly Subutai.

A case can be made for Zhukov just because the shear number of men under his command and the difficulty of logistics and maneuvers.

>>2211843
and they are losing

>>2211843

Agrippa isn't on some greatest generals list, and yet he defeated many legions.

>>2211846

Why Subutai?

>>2211743
>>2211735

>>2211740
>literally built a fort around a fort
>was besieged while besieging
>outnumbered 3:5
>attacked from both sides
>won

>>2211735
His eyes were pointed at a wider angle than most men, allowing him to see a greater portion of the battlefield. This is what made him such a good general. I learned that from History Channel.

>>2211852
Because Subutai was a tactical and strategic genius.

>>2211876

Care to expand on that? What did he do that makes him better than Alexander?

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Belisarius

>>2211740
Because of the Battle of Alesia. And he cucked Cathrage

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>>2211387
ez

>>2211874
I learned that the Ancient Egyptians might have been aliens who used the Pyramids as space ships from History Channel.

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>never lost a battle
>led his armies until his death at the age of 69
>Crossed the Alps at the age of 68
>Beat the Turks many times and the destroyed the French in Italy

>>2211740
half luck, half strategy, pure charisma