What was the best European military in existence /his/

>>2206446
Historially, France.
If you're talking about the best one at its peak, the URSS

>>2206446
France like >>2206462
Said
I'd also venture to say Spain since they dominated nautically and the tercio was considered unbeatable for a looong time

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>>2206462
>implying europe has good armies
>disregarding the FACT that africans had the best militaries

>>2206446
Soviet Union
>inb4 Zhukov human wave memes

>>2206446
Objectively speaking, NATO

>>2206500
Soviets would've rekt NATO without US support

>>2206500
>NATO
>European

Consider me baited, well done.

>>2206506
BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh, you're serious

Arkans Tigers

>>2206524
>Soviet war machine vs crippled West Germany, collapsing British empire, France, and a few bitch ass nationlets
They would've thrashed Nato, even without support from other Communists

>>2206545
>soviet war machine
>after WWII

Wehrmacht (very arguable)

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>>2206751

Quality wise, Carolingan Sweden or War of Austrian Succession/7 years war Prussia

Balance (quantity + quality) wise, pre-war of Spanish Succession France, tercio Spain, or Ottoman Janisarries during Suleyman the great's reign.

>>2206506
nato without us support is not nato at all. its stupid saying this.

>>2206446
The Kosovo liberation army

>>2206759
jesus fucking slavs look like pale mongolians

also prussian army as answer

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>>2206446
Tercios

>>2206985
Well then it's not the strongest military in Europe if it relies on outside help.

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>>2206446
Is this even a question?

Not a history buff here... why isn't Rome an answer?

I can buy USSR though.

Third Reich

>>2206987
>get's wrecked by serbian police
>gets more ak 47s
>serbs start deploying the actual army
>cries đenocajd
>nato bombs the shit out of serbia
>nato does almost no damage to the actual deployed troops, but wrecks industry, infrastructure and government buildings, cluster bombs city centers and even bombs albanian refugee colons (killing up to 500 albanians in total)
>get's driven out of kosovo
>can't take kosare while outnumbering serbs 6:1 and with nato close air support
>get's it's line broken by 2 t-55s
>serbia surrenders to nato
>WE WUZ FREEDOM FIGHTERS N SHIET

>>2206558
Are you retarded?
America literally dragged those ungrateful Slavic fucks through ww2 with the UK by giving them everything their little hearts desired, otherwise Stalin would have an autistic bitch too about how unfair everything is against him, despite him being happy to fucking sign a truce with Hitler prior
Then after ww2 bounding on all the success that America has let them have by funding their pathetic shithole nation into a global power, turning on its allies like the shifty treacherous scumbags they are

>>2208120
>Killing up to 500 Albanians
Topkek, good riddance

>>2208194
Stalin did have an autistic bitch fit about how unfair everything was against him. It's the reason he gave for keeping everything East (and a little West) of Berlin.

>>2207002
To be fair, look at any similar groups of white women without makeup and you won't see huge differences

>>2208205
Exactly, and all the while his country was being kept afloat my the money and workers of the eebil greedy western powers that totally abandoned him

>>2206446
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You misspelled Prussians.

>>2208212
Get genocided by the Teutonic order you fag

>>2207002
Russians are literally pale mongolians

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>>2208212

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Qualitywise, Prussia, or Sweden during its golden age.

There's no use arguing for which military was beter as a whole, considering the massive difference in pure population.

>>2208216
Except they factually aren't

Best for its time or best overall?

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Ancient times: Rome
Dark ages - medieval: France
Renaissance - age of exploration: Spain
Age of Enlightenment - age of imperialism France/Britain
Post industrialization: Prussia/Germany

>>2206446
Sweden under Gustavus Adolphus or Prussia under Frederik the Great

Dan Carlin would say that the Swedes and Prussians had this martial "toughness" that their neighbors lacked.

Prussia's army and its successors, the Kaisers heer and the Wehrmacht were the most efficient armies in European history on the level of the romans.

France had wealth and population

>>2208212
>18 DAYS

>>2206506
soviets without russian soviet state would have been rekt (notice how i alsto took the main military soutce of said union)

>>2208246
>sweden
wtf did swedish army managed to do ever but get out of the kalmar union and genocide lapplanders?

>>2206446
Dunno about earlier times, but:

16th to mid 17th century (1643) = Spain
1643 to 1815 = France
1815 to 1856 = Russia
1856 to 1945 = Prussia/Germany
1945-Now = America (their occupation force)

>>2208710
>>2208705
>WWI
>germany best military force
kek

>>2208295
19 actually

>In total, Napoleon and the Grande Armée had taken only 19 days from the commencement of the invasion of Prussia until essentially knocking it out of the war with the capture of Berlin

>>2208720
>also WWII

>>2208282
But then again, Dan Carlin is well known for hating France
It transpires from his Great War podcasts
Dude's just a more moderate Lindybeige

France had the population, but in countless wars they fought and won against coalitions that fielded more men

Either the roman legions or the spanish tercios.

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>>2208735
>or the spanish tercios.

Or, you know, the other two armies aside from the Romans, that actually conquered the continent
What did Tercios ever accomplish?

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>>2208696
Plenty, especially considering how small it was.

>The entire Swedish army was misstaken for the Kings personal guard once

>>2208741
>Comparing the roman empire to napoleon and nazis' meme empires, which lasted only 12 and 5 years

>What did Tercios ever accomplish?
You definitely need more non biased books and less hollywood movies.

>>2208762
>swedes fighting in pargue
>outnumber the enemy 1:6
>disputed
dafuq happened there?

>>2208778
Quality > quantity
Even when it comes to time

>>2208779
Swedes attempted taking Prague, managed to take and loot the castle (but not the old town on the other side of the river), and the forces recieved word of the peace treaty before any further developments.

>>2208778
Empires arn't a question of military might, but rather of statecraft. Napoleons France and Nazi Germany had a lots of military might. One might even call them golden ages of warfare

Macedon 3rd century bc. Name one other European power that has such juggled the middle east and more importantly, Afghanistan

Napoleonic Grand Armee

>>2208264
this

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>>2206462
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>>2209019

>France
holy kek

Germany, 1941

:-)

>>2209579

People who know shit all about history always out themselves with the 'surrender monkeys' meme.

>>2209583
~<:^ )

>>2209583

Germany + more gas, 1941

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For its time?
Rome, without a doubt.

>>2206446
>most powerful military historically
Rome, An empire that had no equal on the European continent, who's only real military rivals were the Persians out in the middle east. Hell even the Byzantines had one of the only real professional armies/navies on the continent well into the middle ages.

>most powerful today, in 2017.
Russia.

The red army is the strongest!

>>2209601
Those masks on these cavalry helmets make me rock hard

>>2208720
Yes, they had the best military force, the Allies had the advantage of resources and manpower, not strategy. Had Germany come into Russia's granaries sooner than 1917 the war would have gone much differently.

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>>2209640
Add Lorica Hamata, and I'm in love

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>>2206446
Easy

>>2208282

>wehrmacht

>efficient

>>2208790

well then the romans still win

>>2206446
Alexander's army. He had Macedonian Phalanxes that were utterly dominant head-on, more flexible troops protecting the wings, and most of all the Companion Cavalry who were by far the best cavalry of the ancient world and the first known Shock-Cavalry.

If you mean long-lasting military spanning generations, I'd say the Roman Legion.

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>>2208696
>wtf did swedish army managed to do
killed 1/3 of all Germans
killed 1/3 of all poles
spread protestantism

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>>2209940
works both ways

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>>2209971
>works both ways
how?
when did the polish army invade Sweden and kill 1/3 of the population?

>>2209611
False. Shit Navy, shit budget, can barely hold itself together.

England 21st century

>>2208688
Except Russia is in Europe, the USA isn't

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>>2208282

>France had wealth and population
We literally won against the whole Europe a few times

I'll aways be partial to the Swedish Empire. They did so much with so little.

>>2209686
>best military
>loses all wars

>>2206446
USSR

>>2206446
It depends in how you define "best military"
>best capabilities of whole nation to send so many equipment and soldiers, so they will overwhelm any opponents in the long run?
>on average, best trained and equiped individual soldiers?
>best doctrine/generals itd?
>which century
First criteria? Roman Empire/France for most of the time. Best soldiers on average? Poland in 16 and 17thC, they went full retard quality. Some mixed criteria, like quantity, but with good discipline? Sweden and Prussia for some time. Etc.

>>2208066
>Lost the only war they fought

>11-13th Century
Francie, England, Bohemia (not kidding)
>14-15th Century
England, Francie, Hussites later
>16-18th Century
England, Francie, Spain
>19th Century
Prussians, French under Napoleon, England
>20th Century-1918
German Empire
>World war 2
Germany, America after getting Nukes
>Modern times
Hard to say, we'd need some another greately war to be able to tell

>>2211730
Germans are the best at war. Just because they lost the two big ones doesn't change their record.

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>>2212450
>England

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is there really any doubt about that?

>>2212479

>germans are the best at war

they've fought two and lost them both

if you have a military leadership that thinks it's a good idea to fight the entire world you're not very good at war and you don't get credit for it, you're just a retard

>What was the best European military in existence /his/
The Prussian army during the Franco-Prussian war

>>2212630
The French army during the Napoleonic wars particularly when it was in Germany

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>>2209996

>>2208710
16th to mid 17th century (1643) = Spain
1643 to 1815 = France
1815 to 1856 = Russia
1856 to 1864 = France
1864-1918 = Germany
1918-1940 = France
1945-Now = America (their occupation force)

>>2212880
>1918-1940 = France

Yeah, but no war happened in Europe during that period, so we may as well just combine WW1 and WW2 together

USSR is the only sensible answer.
They are the most recent great european army, thus the best, because technology.

>>2212923
Except what counts is strength compared to other countries in the era, not to make intertemporal comparisons and go "hurr Stalin would nuke the Romans"

Can't believe some retards dont understand that

>>2212929
Stalin would nuke the Romans

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>>2207002
ah yes the aryan germans

>>2212932
Yes, that's why you don't compare an ancient army to an army from the space age in terms of fighting and instead compare them based on their own dominance in their own period. If that's the case, Rome is a viable answer though personally not my choice since Rome's ability to win wars was as much because they had an organized state and their ability to take defeats and later turn them into victories.

Probably British in 19th century or USSR in 20th.

>>2206759
Sure if you consider 0,15 k/d succesfull (soviet)

>>2212968
>Probably British in 19th century

No, kys Britbong
British never had the strongest military in Europe, even at the height of the British Colonial Empire
That's why they couldnt get shit done by themselves and needed France during the Crimean War and WW1

>>2212602
>An autistic frog took the time to draw this

>>2213010
>needed France during the Crimean War and WW1
Other way around idiot, French were more hardline on France in the Crimean War and the German Empire was more hardline on France than they were on Britain. Not an Anglo btw

>>2212982
>muh k/d
What are you 12? They had greater numbers, they used their greater numbers in a way that they knew the other side wouldn't be able to deal with, they won the biggest front of the most devastating war in human history.

>>2206446
Nazi Germany, had it not been for Hitler's complete idiocy when it came to military strategies. They would have won in a 1v1 war with any other nation on Earth at the time, including the USSR.

>>2213026
>Other way around idiot

You're a literal retard
Neither France nor Britain could have beaten Germany alone, so France needed Britain and Britain needed France = Britain wasnt the strongest military in Europe, but Germany was

Btw, in the case of the Crimean War, Britain's interest were more at stake than France's, and they had to beg for French help because the "almighty" British Empire couldnt deal with Russia alone

>>2213037
>While the churches eventually worked out their differences and came to an initial agreement, both Nicholas I of Russia and the French Emperor Napoleon III refused to back down. Nicholas issued an ultimatum that the Orthodox subjects of the Empire be placed under his protection. Britain attempted to mediate and arranged a compromise that Nicholas agreed to.
Would love some of your sources on the British "begging".

Also the British only intervened because Belgium was attacked. The UK could have remained neutral throughout the conflict, while France was always going to fight Germany, thus meaning that France need the UK more than visa versa.

>>2213036
Same goes with Napoleonic France desu

>>2213044
>Also the British only intervened because Belgium was attacked. The UK could have remained neutral throughout the conflict, while France was always going to fight Germany, thus meaning that France need the UK more than visa versa.

That's diplomacy, cretin
We're discussing the military aspect here

Britain couldnt have won alone and thus needed France just as much as France needed them to win the war
Germany didnt needed anyone and was objectively the strongest military power of Europe in that era

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>>2212602
a frog actually took time out of his day to create this

>>2213135
I first saw this pic on /pol/ posted by an American 6 months ago

>>2213143
its older than that

>>2212450
>11-13th Century
>England
>>14-15th Century
>>16-18th Century
>England
Are you 12 or just shitposting?

Germany in 1914. Fight me.

>>2207006
P I K E A N D S H O T

>>2206446
Marius' Mules.

Antiquity - Rome
470's - 800's = Byzantines (on the account that they're the only standing professional military standing on the continent)
800's - 1453 = Charlemagne's realm, later to become the HRE
1453 - 1680's = Ottomans
1680's - 1815 = France
1815 - 1854 = Russia
1854 - 1871 = France
1871 - 1914 = Germany
1918 - 1939 = France/Britain, both were pretty damn equal at the time imo.
1945 - present = USSR/Russia*

* - the US is not a European nation, and NATO is not a sovereign nation, so those are excluded.

>>2214578
>the US is not a European nation

But they're occupying Western Europe and should thus be counted (just like you counted the Ottomans)

>>2214593
Ottomans count because they have annexed land in Europe, and their capital in Europe.

and is it really an occupation if it's been established by the hosting power to let foreign troops be stationed? it's more of a military access treaty than an occupation man. And I say this because US stations can be terminated at any time, France has done this.

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>>2214608
>and is it really an occupation if it's been established by the hosting power to let foreign troops be stationed? it's more of a military access treaty than an occupation man. And I say this because US stations can be terminated at any time, France has done this.

In the case of Germany, the occupation happened by force in 1945 and the statut hasnt changed since
Germany cannot kick its American occupiers out even if they wanted

Prussia

>>2214578
>Charlemagne's realm, later to become France
FTFY

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>>2206462
>URSS
>France
Hmm I wonder who could be behind this post

>>2208216
genetically speaking they are also vikings/ Gotlandic/ sweds.

Their name Russians derive from the word "Rus" meaning blonde which was the title given to "viking" traders who traded down the danube and along the silk road.

The Ottoman Empire.

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The Republic of Ireland
>took on Britain with only 3000 rifles
>won

>>2206446


>>2206446

God-tier:
France, Rome, Prussia

Top-tier:
Britain, Sweden, German Empire

Good-tier:
Spain, Poland, Austria

Meh-tier:
Italy, Portugal, Greece

Shit-tier:
Austria-Hungary, Russian Empire

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>>2212602
It's 100% true. I cringe every time an Anglo thinks they're the reason Napoleon lost at Waterloo.

>>2212952
Second from the left is kinda cute.

>>2206446
For its time? Rome.
But the absolute strongest would be Nazi Germany.

>>2213044
>Also the British only intervened because Belgium was attacked.
Britain has been allied with France before the war. Had Germany gone through Belgium or not Britain would have weaseled its way into the war regardless like the slimey limies they are.

>>2213898
I'd say 1916-1917. Their generals had the knowledge of modern warfare by then.

>>2216284
>But the absolute strongest would be Nazi Germany.
>Cant project power outside Europe.

>>2216317
If England, America, and the USSR are at war with you, there's not much you can do.

>>2215859
>italy better than russia
kys

>>2216280
If by kinda cute you mean she doesn't look like a fucking man

>>2206524
Nato knew it could not beat the ussr cold war gone hot battle plans were do a fighting retreat to the Rhine and then nuke the shit out of it to halt pact advances without escalating to global nuclear war.

>>2212479
What wars has Germany won?
no counting wars won by Prussia or the tutons.

>>2206446
That has varied over the centuries.
Most euro-regions have had powerful military might at some point.

But, since the appearance of nukes, and victory over Hitler, the Soviets were the most powerful.
The Russians still have that capacity today.

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>>2216284
Red Army kicked their ass.
Idiot.

>>2216832
Because Hitler was a fucking moron, and his forces were divided from fighting all of the Allies at once. In a 1v1 situation with the USSR and with a competent leader, the Nazis would have won.

>>2209601
>>2209640

I've read in a few books that Roman cavalry never actually wore these helmets for battle, and that they were merely for parades and perhaps training.

>>2206446
The Brits after they invented the Bren

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How about the one that never (literally NEVER) lost

>>2208710
>WW2
>Germany
The Wehrmacht was from 1940 to 1943 a good army at best.

>>2214578
>800's - 1453 = Charlemagne's realm, later to become the HRE
You mean France :)

>>2206446
France. they literally have the best win/loss ratio for wars out of all the European powers.

>>2209579
see above.

>>2206476
>I'd also venture to say Spain since they dominated nautically and ...
Wait is that true? I'd have thought that'd go to Britain, or maybe Portugal

>>2206545
>Soviet war machine
all those fuckers had was a mighty hunger for gold and a lot of crap to sell, at least Hitler and Mussolini had the decency to seize the oportunity to test their machines.

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>>2209601
>>2217039

Unrelated, I've often read about Roman cavalry being shit. Is there any basis to this or is it just a meme spewed by Total War gaymers?

>>2212602
>can summon storms
>not the strongest empire
pérfida albión too OP pls nerf

>>2209971
sweden only intervened in that war because it had a huge mercenary army after the 30 years war with nothing to do, most of those casualties were not swedes

>>2206446
British. Armies are irrelevant.

>>2208194
>>2212982

The Cold War is over, what's the point in bashing tyrants with emotional arguments and rewriting what happened?

"America gave those fucks all they wanted?"

America waited more than two years before opening the western front in order to maximize geopolitical gain and minimize casualties.

The USSR "turned on its allies"?

The USSR was INVADED by the allies in its formulative years and after the end of world war 2, "Operation Unthinkable", a plan to betray the USSR eventually leaked to Stalins desk and triggered his paranoia like an SJW tumblerina stumbling upon a pepe

The idea that the USA funded or helped rebuild the USSR, a closed country that was refused from the Marshall Plan and didn't even want it, is just... mind-boggling disrespect towards history.

>>2219515

Is this even english? What is this nonsense? Come on, plebs.

There is so much interesting stuff to talk about when it comes to this era, how dumb do you have to be to cheapen it all down to, "USA saved everyone, we the best, fuck you"?

Is the only way to drill some respect into westerners is to thoroughly drown their countries in Islam and let them experience their first real existential crisis?

>>2217032

Goalposts, goalposts, goalposts. Stalin was a moron in his own right who purged a lot of brilliant military men. It's why the Winter War, despite ending positively for the USSR, was botched so hard.

The Nazis shouldn't have been allowed to annex the Sudetenland- Czechoslovakia could have put up a decent fight if it wasn't betrayed. They were armed to the teeth with excellent terrain to defend.

Also, the Third Reich could have never invaded so many countries if they didn't trade extensively with the USSR in the first place. It simply did not have enough oil and metal in its own borders. Do we just omit that as well when arguing that Germany was the best ever?

>>2208212
unfortunate that religion btfo'd u guys

UK.

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>>2208212

>>2206446
Easy, the British Empire

>>2206751
>Wehrmacht

They weren't even the most powerful army in German history

>>2216293
>1917

Most of their finest soldiers and field officers were dead by then. 1916 was the peak of their power.

Is this another thread where we post Wikipedia screenshots of battles where smaller armies beat larger armies and we never bother giving any further context?

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You're all missing the point.

>>2208264
during the Renaissance period, how would the Ottomans compare to Spain?

>>2220170
>Czechoslovakia could have put up a decent fight if it wasn't betrayed. They were armed to the teeth with excellent terrain to defend.
... they had incomplete border fortifications in about half the places they had planned to, without heavy equipment, and their plan for a war with germany was literally a fighting retreat to the mountains in slovakia and relying on an immediate french invasion into germany

>>2219507
>Wait is that true?
Yes
>I'd have thought that'd go to Britain, or maybe Portugal
After the Castillian civil war Spain had the biggest navy. The Dutch were way stronger than Britain at the time as well

>>2221211
>how would the Ottomans compare to Spain?
They had more soldiers. Those soldiers were worse quality wise. The Tercios overall were way superior to anything at that time

>>2208295
>Franco-Prussian War

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>>2220170
>What is this nonsense?
Spanish civil war
The republic had to spend most of the gold buy russian planes and tanks. So, while the coupists where having fun testing the nazis' new toys and bombing civilians for the first time, the republicans had to resort to inventing molotov cocktails and using tiznaos.

And I'm not cheapening it out, the Allies were all just pussies that didn't even dare enforce the non-participation blockade they themselves had imposed, fearing a world war.

It was like, World War 1.7, with Russia getting money from scrap, Germany finding the perfect testing ground and the Allies circlejerking about the ideological fight between democracy, the far left and, the far right that was taking place there and mimicked the fears sweeping all of Europe.
And of course a blockade and no monies from the US because "lol you sent a handful of voluntary soldiers to help them nazis and you're kinda nazi"

>>2221267
>9 months compare to 19 days

>>2216290
You mean to say they honour their treaties

>>2219532

Western Roman cavalry was not good, and so the bulk of the cavalry was made up of auxiliaries. This isn't to say that Roman cavalry didn't exist though, quite the opposite. However because pre-existing "good" cavalry already was at their disposal, the development of a suitable homegrown force was never put into practice. This was also due to the fact that with the Marian reforms, the prestige of being an actual cavalryman was greatly diminished. It used to be that Roman cavalry was provided by the rich equites. They were the first knights of Europe and the Mediterranean. With Marius' changes to the army however, Roman cavalry became entirely state-run. Thus no prestige. With a greater emphasis on uniform heavy infantry, Roman cavalry gained a supernumerary quality. The only people who wanted to be in it were those that preferred mounted combat, or were looking for the opportunity to become a tribune since they had their own commanders.

The Eastern Roman Empire was an entirely different story. The cavalry was the backbone of the entire army, it was developed by them, and was extremely competent. The cataphracti and sagitarii had become the Empires bread and butter; without which they would have easily fallen to the primarily horse mounted armies of the East much earlier.

>>2206446
Is the Roman Empire army too easy an answer?

>>2212450
This.

>>2221702
Provided he removes the "England"s

>>2215639
>"Rus" meaning blonde which was the title given to "viking" traders

Here's some sweet etymology

>According to the most prevalent theory, the name Rus', like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen (Rus-law) or Roden, as it was known in earlier times.[6][7] The name Rus' would then have the same origin as the Finnish and Estonian names for Sweden: Ruotsi and Rootsi.[8]

>>2221702
>England
kek, when they lost to niggers with spears they lost they right to be treated seriously

>>2221727

Thank you.

I've rarely seen someone be so wrong with so few words on /his/.

>>2206487
>Africans
>militaries
What are you smoking anon?

>>2220794
Witch one?

>>2213036
>Nazi germany would have won a 1v1 vs the yanks

Roman armies
French
Spaniards

>>2222356
I forgot post WW2 Red Army

>>2206777
>sulexman the great
>losing to slavs and Landsknecht mercenaries

>>2208710
Tell me again how strong was Germany in 1918-1937.
In '36 they were still joke compared to Poland

>>2209579
(You) probably don't know anything about history.

simo häyhä

>>2222422
I think Hitler himself said in 1938 that if France attacked them right now germany would lose. I would say th main reason France lost in 1942 was because they let germany get stronger instead of attacking them right away

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>>2217065
Won't get an argument from me.

>>2216813
But that's wrong. Most plans were to halt the Soviet advance before they even made it through the Fulda gap.

>>2222982
>France lost in 1942

>>2209675
why is this nigga riding such a small horse

Aurelian's veteran legions in 275.

>>2223108
Of course yjey did, are you trying to claim they won?
They remained under German occupation until America liberated them in 1946

>>2223225

France lost in 1940.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_of_22_June_1940

>>2209996
>cuck a country so hard they become irrelevant in the world forever
shouldn't britain and spain pay reparations to half the world then too, the US too

>>2223225
>in 1946
What timeline do you live in that France fell in 1942 and was liberated in 1946?

>>2223108
I knew it it's just a mistake
>>2223260
i think that it's sarcasm

>>2223366
I was hoping it wasn't. It'd be some real neato shit.

>>2223366

>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>2221394
A state compared to a Nation

>>2206446
Zhukov's walking cemetery at the end of ww2

>>2212919
What is the Russian invasion of Poland