When did European cannonry surpass the Chinese?

>>2199119
Better metalwork
Just a guess

when they picked up ideas from the Ottomans

>>2199119
Europeans invented the cannon

>>2199143

I thought the Ottomans just copied Hungarian cannons

>>2199160
I thought the Hungarians just copied Chinese cannons

>>2199560
I thought the Chinese just copied European cannons

Supposedly Europeans could build better canons due to superior European bell technology, of all things.

>>2199119
Your pic is neither chinese nor european.

Europe was exposed to cannon technology in the 13th century, a combination of technology brought by the Mongols and further development by the Muslims in their inferno of a war with each other.

By 1400 Europe may have been on par with China. By 1500 they may have been a little ahead. Though this is up to debate.

By 1600 Europe had an apparent advantage, the few ships that could make it as far as China had an advantage pound for pound, though this may have more to do with ship building than the cannons themselves.

By 1700 this advantage had widened to the point that would make sinoboos look silly trying to defend it.

>>2199143
>>2199606

Ottomans are European.

>>2199771

t. turkish diaspora

>>2199566
I thought the Europeans just copied African cannons

>>2199119
1453

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>>2199786
pic related are the current heir of the ottomans

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>>2199841

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>>2199841
>some european admixture
>between tons of asian/turkic/arab admixture

pic related, Ottomans look the same as Turks today

>>2199606

It's a Hungarian-made cannon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orban

>>2199119
turks are no yurop plz stop bait

>>2199808
I thought the Africans just copied Aztec Cannons.

>>2199848

still makes them white tho

>>2199146
lmao no it was the Suljuks in Anatolia who did.

>>2200475
I thought the Cannons copied Aztec Africans

>>2199859
What in the name of the lord

>>2199653
Tell me more about old timey cannons?


What makes one more advanced than others? I thought that until self contained cartridges and rifling they were all just big metal tubes that contained one way explosions.

>>2200524
It's an erotic book from the ottoman empire..

>>2199859
>tons
Maybe in the ruling class, but that doesn't ring true for the average person. The population of Anatolia is mostly genetically the same as it always was. Turks in Turkey are much much closer to Armenians and Georgians than they are any other Turkics in Central Asia.

>>2200562

http://bobrowen.com/nymas/podcasts/Cliff%20Rogers%20-%20Medieval%20Artillery%20160kbps.mp3

>>2199119
When the Ottomans rolled their cannons across the Propontis

Tell me about siege-tunnels. Were they actual tactic, or were there only one or two occasions that spawned the meme?