Is Islam a far-right religion?

It's far left, SJW always side with muslims.

>>2198844
Religions are their own ideologies, neither right nor left or even necessarily political or economic minded.

Islamic socialism is a thing, so it can influence both sides.

>>2198856
solid logic

>>2198859
>neither right nor left or even necessarily political or economic minded.

Islam unlike many religions is absolutely political and economical and could fairly be characterized as reactionary in both those fields.

Islam can't really be placed within the left-right spectrum. Sure, they think gays should be killed and women should be subservient to men. But they also believe all races are equal and in a welfare state.

>>2198871
>But they also believe all races are equal

Yeah but didn't one of Muhammad's main companions hate black people? Serious question, I remember seeing some haddiths posted that were blatantly racist against Ethiopians, but maybe that was just bullshit.

>>2198869
>Islam unlike many religions is absolutely political and economical
It's not. There are versions and philosophies that are Islamic which are very political, but there are also those which reject politics. Even among fundamentalist Salafis there are those who take no part in any political process and are completely apolitical.

>>2198869
So was Christianity for a long time.

But a series of political innovations and bloody wars and revolutions resulted in the separation of state and religion.
This process did not happen in the middle east like it did in Europe, and secularism wasn't fully incorporated.

>>2198856
So do the Christian church, yet people who side with the Christian church consider themselves right-winged.

>>2198844
economically left

socially right

>>2198844
>>2198856
Islam is far far right but somehow they manage to convaince leftards to side with them by being brown

>>2198891
>So was Christianity for a long time.

This is all anyone ever says in defense of Islam.

>>2198901
Hating gays and women is social though, not economic.

>>2198908
literal retard you are

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>All this shitposting
Are people just retarded or do people genuinely not understand why leftists "side" with islam?

>>2198891
>So was Christianity for a long time.
It still is. Separation of Church and State had less to do with the religion and more to do with the state itself. Islam was fairly secular in different ways as well.

>>2198905
Well it's kind of like, Christianity was already domesticated, Islam is still halfway there.

>>2198913
They're right though. Gays have very little to do with the economy. They're a minority that doesn't drain nor contribute to it any more or less than anything else, and hatred of gays is right wing.

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>>2198844

yes.

>>2198856

they only do this because its a brown people religion and dont want to appear racist

>>2198844
No.
Theocracies are not Statist.
>inb4 nu-cucks try and label everything which has law as "Right Wing"

>>2198935
retard

I said islam with respect to social values is right wing and relative to economic issues it's left wing

learn to read

>>2198927
>Islam was fairly secular in different ways as well
It really wasn't
Sure they tolerated other religions, often better than christian kingdoms, but that's not the same as being secular

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>>2198902
> far far right
aka far left

>>2198940

did someone say

N A T I O N A L S O C I A L I S M

>>2198942
>Sure they tolerated other religions

ONLY Abrahamic religions it should be pointed out.

>>2198942
Secular is not the same thing as toleration. I'm not speaking about that, but various attitudes in the Muslim tradition regarding state power over religion and the power of religious actors over the state.

>>2198955
They extended dhimmi status to Zoroastrians, Hindus, and I think Buddhists at some point.

It wasn't as universal as with Christians and Jews.

>>2198969
>They extended dhimmi status to
>Hindus, and I think Buddhists at some point.

Never heard of this, source?

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>mixing religion and politics together

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>>2198985
This.

>>2198985
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_quietism_in_Islam

>>2198943
that image might be the most wrong thing I've ever seen.

>>2198918
Leftists side with the underdog and from the western lens, the underdog are the poor oppressed brown people bombed by white Christian armies

Same reason why lefties support Castro even though he supported exterminating gays

>>2198918

Why don't you explain it to us?

>>2198844

The question makes no sense.

>>2199166
> Castro wasn't leftist

Fuck me but there are some genuine mouth breathers about.

>>2199028
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

>>2199166

Christ the fucking night are you in pre school or are you a fucktard?

Because it's one or the fucking other.

>>2199174
What about it?

>>2198859
>neither right nor left
You're wrong. Like any ideology, they tend to move to the right with the evolution of human society. Because they start as the reforms movement and then they become the pharisees themselves.

>>2198844
By God, remove the slut picture you clickbaity cunt!

>>2198918
The leftists are brainwashed sheeple who sold their souls to Pisslam and their monee.

>>2198943
AnCap = Feudalism

>>2198878
But another of his main companion was a black man, who by the second Caliph was even called "the best of us." His name was Bilal, known for resisting the most terrible torture and repeating "God is one, God is one."

>>2198984
The mughals, for one. And you can find the fiqhi opinion based on Umar ibn al Khattabs ruling that when the people asked him about what to do with persian zoroastrians, he told them to treat them as people of the book. Opinions differ in whether this was exclusive to them, or should extend to all non-polytheistic religions. In practice, the mughals extended dhimmi status to the hindus.

>>2198844
Confucianism is the most far right traditionalist religion in history.

>>2198856
Islam is about submission to a higher power. Women are restricted to a role subservient to men. Harsh punishment are proscribed to any who disagree with the prevailing ideology.

It's a right-wing religion.

Liberals only care about Muslims because conservatives treat them badly

>>2199106
Please enumerate its errors.

>>2199549
>women are restricted to a role subservient to men
And men are restricted to a role of supporting women. In some, unfortunate cases, a single man will have to provide for wife, daughters, sisters, mothers and aunts on his own. They are all allowed to work in Islamic law, but the cold, hard responsibility lies with the man.

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>>2198844

It's far left and egalitarian trash. It institutes forced redistribution and welfare tries to supplant all secular government institutions and law seeks to abolish all borders and political divisions and it's anti racist and cosmopolitan. African muslims are welcome in the caliphate and are encouraged by Arabcucks to marry their daughters.

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>>2199624

Same applies to cucktianity of course but to a lesser degree nowdays since cucktianity is not a comprehensive political and social system that encompasses all aspects of life anymore.

>>2199530
That dude was legit. He also had a beautiful voice apparently.

>Religions
>Not far left
All Abrahamic religions are commie bullshit

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>>2199651

Shh don't tell the redditors and leftist trolls they think beating your wife means you are far right.

I can't say I know much about islam, but how can you even apply the concept of political spectrum i the European sense to it?

Islam is an orthopraxy religion, in which you submit completely and utterly to the slavery of god's love and accept his devotion as such.

The method of interpretation by the Imams of the rather totalitarian practices advocated in the Quran doesn't fit the left right dichotomy.

>>2199651
But Christianity in the US is very conservative.

>>2199635
He was the official muezzin, the man who calls to prayer, of the prophet. The interesting thing is that the call to prayer includes the words "ashhadu an la ilaha illa allah, ashhadu anna muhammadun rasoolallah."
Bilal, being an Abyssinian, had an accent in Arabic and couldn't pronounce the "sh" sound, pronouncing it as "s" instead. Despite this, the prophet would always say that Bilals call to prayer was his favourite.

>>2198856
cum hoc ....

>>2198844
Islam is very economically liberal and socially conservative, so yes, it is definitely a right-wing religion. Westerners who hold far-right political views dislike Islam only because they view it as a "brown people's religion".

>>2198936
not all of these in the list are wrong

>>2198856
Grats on the (you)s

>>2199706
But there were no accents before 19th century

>>2200000
>2200000
nice numbers

>>2199947
No they hate it because they suck on jewish cock.

>>2198844

Far left, since they are against the ancien régime.

>>2199947
No. Westerners who hold far right politicial views dislike Islam because it's slowly displacing our own culture.

t. Swede

>>2198844
Every religion is "far right" when practiced properly.

>>2198880
>It's not.
Your not reading the right stuff friend. Islam is a complete culture with laws and economics.

>>2199555
populist nationalism for one

>>2200148
The one who displacing your culture is from your own who ashamed of himself and from the shitskin that think he own Islam. Convert and rule Sweden as it should be, Son of Sweden

>>2200176
>Implying I am not doing my very best to start a career in politics to MSGA

>>2198844
everything can be far right or far left depends how how it's practiced

basically islam is

>economically liberal
>socially right wing

>>2198844
Its far right where its the majority
far left in western countries, since they're minorities

>>2198859
so does Islamo-fascism

>>2200215
>economically liberal
>if your not a muslim you pay the non-muslim tax or die
C U L T U R A L E N R I C H M E N T

>>2200236
>He doesn't know what 'liberal' in an economic context (the proper one) means.

>>2200238
>its a historian tries to use economists words episode

You tell me what it means.

>>2200219
>Islamo-fascism
Fake term invented my neocons to slander Islam.
Islamic socialism, on the other hand, is a form of national socialism that has tangible existed in the world

>>2200241
Economically liberal means a free market with less government involvement.

>>2200260
You realize that Islam in practice is the Government?

>>2198844
>Is Islam a far-right religion?
Calling something a "far-right religion" is pretty gay, but most Islamic schools as well as the majority of muslims are very far right, and many of the axioms of Islamic ultra-conservatism are identical to normal ultra-conservatives, such as ideas about degeneracy, faith, sexual liberties, opinions on minorities etc. etc.

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>>2199677
>Conservatism can't be far left

>>2200148
>No. Westerners who hold far right politicial views dislike Islam because it's slowly displacing our own culture.
Our culture is liberalism. You want to replace our culture with theirs.

>>2198844
The left-right dichotomy isn't an absolute term. It's just a description for a certain form of European politics after the French Revolution. It wasn't even used universally since then - IIRC the British only started using those labels in 1930s.

>>2200236
tax =/= economically

>>2198936
>hates Israel
Yes
>thinks Jews control the world through banking
The world is a hyperbole, but saying they have no control is just as ridiculous.
>Believes marriage is a heterosexual union
It should be.
>Believes women shouldn't have equal rights to men
No.
>believes husbands should work and provide whilst wives stay at home
Having one caregiver/one worker is the ideal family type. Single parent families are just as destructive as overworkers who spend zero time with their children. Typically men have been the breadwinners, but really either sex is acceptable, providing either sex fulfills their role well.
>reject the old testament
says who?
>against freedom of speech
ayyy
>want a return to the monarchy
Not true in the slightest.
>believes the west is full of degeneracy
It is, and yet its still the best system in the world.

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>>2200355
>Our culture is liberalism. You want to replace our culture with theirs.
no

>>2198844
Applying the categories of left or right to idea-systems that are either
1. Non-Western
2. Long pre-date the 18th century
should be generally avoided.

>>2198844
No, it's a far left religion as it seeks total control over everybody.

Left: control everybody at every level

Right: leave us the fuck alone

>>2200893
>american politics
laughingwhores.jpg

>>2200347
The idea of the left/right dichotomy is that conservatism is right wing, while wanting constant progress is left wing. It's why the left becomes more and more radical while previously left wing things become right wing or centrist. It's an unsustainable ideology.

if you compare it to far right ideology it fits in perfectly

>>2200838
why did you bother posting this? your answers are autistic, the fact you even bothered posting your opinion on each individual issue is retarded

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>>2200893
>Right: leave us the fuck alone

what makes you think the right doesn't seek control? by principle of a political ideology trying to get what they want is going to eventually end up controlling people

>>2202191
why did you bother posting this? you're autistic, the fact you even bothered posting your opinion is retarded

>>2200838
Jews having control isn't what is ridiculous

Saying they have control because they are Jewish or saying that Jews are organizing themselves to obtain control is what is ridiculous.

>>2200893
Americans, everyone.

>>2198844
No. In fact it was a bearer of civilisation in the east mediterranean and northern Africa during the Dark Ages.
I just finished watching this. Watch it and pay attention. It contains all the answers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epnkDj1_Hus

>>2198856
Islamic theocracies were established exactly to combat progressives in countries with a muslim majority. What, you thought only "whites" were progressives?

>>2198869
hey my misinformed friend, did you know that the handling of jewels and money was forbidden by the church in Europe and that this was the reason it was left to the jews?

>>2198943
whoever made this, pulled it right out of their ass.

>>2200355
And the right wing has a fundamental preference for "ours"

>>2198880
They're only "apolitical" in the sense that any political system that is not derived from Islam isn't worth consideration

>>2198891
>>2198880
>>2202529
Islam is a very political religion though seeing as how the founder created a state, and Islam spread through this political entity initially
Unlike Christianity where Jesus was only spiritual, Mohammed lead the muslims both religiously and politically, and those who went on after him did the same
In fact the modern divide in Islam is due to their seperate interpretation of who had the right to rule politically, so to dismiss the political importance of Islam would be ignoring one of its most important aspects

As for "left or right" it's a stupid way of classing ideologies

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>>2198943
Your horseshit theory has been disproved a million times

BACK TO L*DDIT

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>>2198943

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>>2199666
I genuinely wonder what goes on their minds, like the Koran says no making friends with Jews or Christens but I'm sure they can make the mental gymnastics around that for the one's I'v met in my life but how the fuck can they be gay when the Koran says faggots go to hell in plane text. How do they do it??

>>2203302
>Islam is a very political religion though seeing as how the founder created a state, and Islam spread through this political entity initially

This is something that political Islamists certainly believe, but is a concept that's as young as their ideology. Before the 20th century Muslims did not believe Muhammad had founded a state, but rather he established a court of justice with the moral authority to preside over any dispute. This is why there are thousands of books on Islamic jurisprudence but just a handful of books on political theory and practice, which are usually written in the Persian style of mirrors for princes anyway. The Sunnis and Shias were similarly divided over the matter of religious moral authority in settling disputes, and the actual politics surrounding it was incidental - even a point of criticism for the opposing side.

>>2203572
The Quran says not to take Christians/Jews as 'auliya, better translated in context as 'protectors,' as the revelation was a command to the Muslims who were warring with the pagan Meccans not to hide behind the Christians/Jews, so as not to burden them with their problems.

But yeah sodomy is a sin. To promote it is also sinful. However, being gay is not sinful per se, only the act of sodomy is--that could be a way to justify it for those people.

>>2200148
Sweden doesn't have its own culture.

>>2203569
not an argument against horseshoe theory

>>2204002
Neither is posting horseshoe theory.

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>>2198943

>>2204053
putting ideologies on a drawing doesnt make it a valid theory

>>2204056
can't tell if this was originally made ironically or not
i sincerely hope it was

>>2199535
>>2198984
People of the book was extended to any religion that had a religious book and more importantly established laws and had their own courts

Germans created islam in order to take the world.

>>2204056
What the fuck

>>2203572
what the hell is Memri tv and how did it suddenly become so popular??

also, your question betrays your intelligence.

>>2204056
pretty accurate, as far as ideologies go.

>>2205518
Memri is a pro-Israeli org that translates Arab language material they think will make Arabs look bad from Middle-Eastern equivalents of Fox-New/Rush Limbaugh. It's the equivalent of a Russian group that translated stuff from American right wing media to male us look bad in front to Ukrainians. It's still hilarious though for the same reason it's funny to laugh at the stupidity of any country's right wing crazies.

>>2198844
Islam is as far left or right as the culture of the people practicing it. It tends toward the right today because it's geographically concentrated in crappy repressive dictatorships. You find the same religious conservatism in all religions when in such conditions.

>>2198844
Yes, all Islam. Just like all Christianity.

>>2205668
>>2205674
Islam is an expansionist authoritatian ideology, its inherent militarism will not go away so long as there are people who subscribe to its orthodoxy.

>>2205668
except islam has known only that from the very start even with Muhammed

>>2205685
>>2205765
Islam was no more violent or expansionist than any other religion at the time. Christian Rome/Byzantine and Zoronastrian Persia were both expansionist warmongering states that ruled through authoritarian means before and after Muhammed did his thing. Europe not being in a constant state of war is something that only happened very recently. Need I remind you that WWII, the most killtacular event in human history was fought within living peoples lifetimes and was started by Christians Germany invading Christian Poland which brought in Christian France and Christian England and then brought in a Russia that while officially atheist had a citizenry that still contained a bunch of closet Christians.

>>2198918
I genuinely don't know why leftists side with Islam. Please explain it to me.

>>2205924
They don't "side" with it. They just have the audacity to believe that people should be given the same rights and treated the same way regardless of their religions. Of course we conservatives know that thing like "Civil Rights" and "Freedom" are limited physical resources and to let a Muslim have them means it gets taken away from a Christian, Just like how when Gays got the right to marry we had to take away the right to marry from Straights because there just aren't enough civil rights to go around.

>>2205674

This isn't really true- liberation ideology came out of christian communities.

>>2205916
the difference is people did violent things and were also Christian, but Jesus was a very non violent and peaceful person who became a martyr
Mohammed was a violent conqueror by all accounts

Christianity became violent because it was corrupted by those who followed it differently to its founder
Islam is only non violent when it's followed differently to its founder

>>2205951
if a man can get married to another man I don't see why I can't get married to my cat

>>2206027
would you have a cat-priest presiding at the ceremony?

>>2206027
Because an animal is not a sentient being that takes part in the social contract and is thus not part of said contracts various rights and responsibilities such as entering into legal partnerships such as marriage.

>>2206042
so polygamous marriage should be legal?

I am getting sick of the right left spectrum

>>2206149
This.
We should use the up-down spectrum instead.

>>2206159
how about no spectrum since ideology can't be broken down into a system with an axis

It depends, was Abu Jahl left-wing?

>>2206105
Of course, why not?

NO
Every religion is scum in some aspect,but islam is really fucked up (and yes,so was christianity some centuries ago but man,these days you don't see the Inquisition or Templar fucking in the arab countries)

This thread should belong to /pol/

>>2206763
can i marry my sister too

>>2206857
Yes, again, why not?

>>2206832
Tbf you have far more Western interventionism in the MENA than vice versa so in some sense the Templar (in modern terms the CIA) is still fucking around in Arab countries. Which is very much why they're pissed off at you--not some ill-conceived notions of thinking you'll magically turn Muslim/be conquered if they bomb you every few months.

No, its socialism

>>2198844
Yes.

>>2198936
>alt-right is now far right

Why is it called "alt"-right then?

>>2207032
but im still not allowed to marry my cat????

>>2207185
Again, the cat is not sentient. It cannot "consent" to such an union.

>>2206017
This, there's a reason why the Crusades died out and European powers didn't expand into Islamic territory in NA and the ME when they very easily could have while jihad has been underway whenever Islamic states have been capable of shrinking dar al-harb.

>>2207191
so anything sentient goes?
if marriage is a union between literally anyone what is it even for
:thinking:

>>2207250
Marriage is:
1.- a religious thing
2.- protecting your partner and yourself in the eyes of the law via mutual rights and obligations

That's it. As long as there are 2 consenting adults, anything should be valid.

>>2198936
>alt-right
>hates Israel

Weeew lad.

>>2207250
The point is that you can't marry someone who can't say yes nor be held legally responsible of his or her actions. So stones, cats and little kids don't work, however if you want to marry your brother, sister, or both, go for it faggot.

>kill/deport all muslims
>no, that's wrong
>why are you siding with islam
ok

>>2198844
The left/right political divide is an economic one not a religious/moral one
So the answer is no, islam is neither left or right.
It is however authoritarian in nature.

>>2208144
>2.- protecting your partner and yourself in the eyes of the law via mutual rights and obligations
That's a partnership and you can go into business with anyone you want.

>>2209588
Kinda what I'm saying. I'm not against gay marriage at all, go on and marry whoever you want (who is a human of consenting age in your jurisdiction).
Just don't ask religious denominations whose holy books deem homosexuality a sin to host your ceremony; you can get married without a church intervening you know.

>>2200238
Neither do most so called "liberals"