Enver Pasha not actually a Turk?

his mother is a gagavuz. A turkish etnich group in moldova.

>>2191085
Being turk is not about genetics when is this board going to understand that.
Our ancestors were already mixed efore they made it to anatolia.
Also turkishness is passed paternally generally.

>>2191085
Nationalism and Ethno-nationalism aren't the same thing.

I've heard the ottomans tended to base ethnicity on religion, Muslim people were Turks and they though of Christians as Greeks or Armenians. I'm not sure if true though

>>2191085
>empires assimilate all sorts of populations
Mind Blown

>>2191125
Ottomans tend to base ethnicity on ethnicity. Period.

Thing was: it was a fucking Empire. Not a nation state. So along with their ethnic identities you had imperial ones. You could be a Greek but also an Ottoman Subject.

>>2191131
Were Albanians assimilated enough to think of themselves as Turkish? Again it was Turkish nationalism, not "Ottoman" nationalism (because an empire =/= a nation).

Then you have this dude: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziya_Gökalp

>>2191085
Half of the people in Turkey have some sort of Balkan origin.
Most of the Ottoman government was made up of Balkan converts for centuries.

>>2191125
ottoman millet system was based on religion yes. muslim, catholic, orthodox and jewish

>>2191149
>brown caucasians
>sunni muslims
>probably spoke Turkish
Assimilated alright.

>>2191085
balkanics are turks in denial... including greeks and serbs

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>>2191395
At least put on a trip, post some pics and try to be funny, you just sound butthurt

>>2191389
load of bs

>>2191438
why would i be butthurt about not being neither turk nor balkan?

>>2191442
What is BS?
I just gave you reasons as to why Albanians would assimilate in Turkish communities, on top of that the OP just laid out that a Pasha of the Ottoman Empire was an ethnic Albanian.

>>2191085
makes sense
his shitty leadership removed more kebab than anyone else

>>2191085

You do realize that barely any official in the Ottoman empire is turkish?

Look at the origin of the grand viziers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_Grand_Viziers

Hell the last sultan of the Ottoman Empire was only 0.195% Turkic: http://asianhistory.about.com/od/turkeyhistoryculture/fl/The-Ottoman-Sultans-Were-Not-Very-Turkish.htm

Being Turkish is not about ethnicity but about culture, they were all culturally Turkish including Enver Pasa

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>>2191085
Ofc he was Albanian. The Albos pretty much directly controlled the entire furniture show that was the ottoman empire after some time.

>steal balkan kids and make them jannisaries, let the jannisaries fuck your women and forever giving you a predominantly white western turkey
>make albos convert, give them the biggest vilayet and draft them as a fighting force, give albo generals extreme power,
>overthrow the memeluks
>now the Albos want Egypt
>Gib it to them while convincing yourself you still rule it de facto
>complain the jannisaries have too much power
>muh empire
>Albanians in Greece go full WeWuzGreekzNPelasgoiNSheit and overthrow your holdings in 1821 together with a shit ton of confused Slavs and Vlachs
>Albania wants to leave too in 1910 and 1912
>Have to deal with albo warbands, remember they're fucking insane and can't be dealt with
>loose Albania in 1912 because they took Skopje and it made the other balkanlar realise we weak as fuck nao
>Balkans go full Detroit on one another
>You think... Meh. Fuck it.

Albanians was a mistake.

>>2193087
a weak excuse to justify the fact that your ethnicity can be summed up as "Anatolia-Greek-Turkic" rape babies.

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>>2193341

>Greek

Please leave it at Anatolian-Turkic

>>2193305
>Janissaries
>Children

>>2193362
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devshirme