What's an alternate history cliche you hate?

>>2190075
Uses of "Confederation", "Republic", "Union", "Empire", and similar terms as part of country names.

dude what if modern weapon/person/town was sent back in time lmao

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Shitty flags.

>>2190075
>Germany wins WW2 (the worst by far, honestly)
>Anything to do with Prussia
>Idiotic borders on the Balkans due to general ignorance
>Partition of France, Germany, the UK, any country in general (except the Ottoman Empire)

>>2190075
>Western Yugoslavia
>Albaniserbia (but no Montenegro, kek)
>Skopjea
This is what I'm >>2190146 talking about.
>Austritaly
>Saharan Empire
Seething.

>>2190114
>The Confederated States of the Rhine
>The United States of America
>The Federal Republic of Central America
>The Plurinational State of Bolivia
>The Confederate States of America
>The United Arab Republic
Hmm...

>>2190165
Shitty alt-histories overuse those titles though.

>>2190075
nazi victory = whole world occupied and speaking German

>>2190075
The worst will always be
>Roman empire never fell

>>2190169
Well, let's take a sample of real-world names, in descending order of GDP...
>The PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of China
>The UNITED STATES of America
>The REPUBLIC of India
>Japan
>The FEDERAL REPUBLIC of Germany
>The Russian FEDERATION
>The FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC of Brazil
>The REPUBLIC of Indonesia
>The UNITED KINGDOM of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
>The French REPUBLIC
>The UNITED Mexican STATES
>The Italian REPUBLIC
>The REPUBLIC of Korea
>The KINGDOM of Saudi Arabia
>The KINGDOM of Spain
>Canada
>The REPUBLIC of Turkey
>The ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Iran
>The COMMONWEALTH of Australia
>The KINGDOM of Thailand

So, out of the twenty most relevant countries, only two lack cumbersome official names. I don't see how alternate-history writers can "overuse" a phenomenon that already has 90% prevalence.

>>2190195
I'm not speaking for the other anon, but I have a different interpretation of it.

I hate people that use those titles incorrectly. For example, someone that calls themselves an empire of ___ when they're a one province state with no real power or influence, or a republic of ___ ruled by a king, breaking its own rules.

>>2190195
no one uses those names in casual conversation. and they rarely appear on maps

>>2190195

>Canada

fucking Canadians

>>2190208
What's your point?

>>2190137
>Byzantine Siberia
what the fuck

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>>2190246
That what you got when the crown of Empire goes from Khazars to Mongols in a typical CK2 fashion.

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>>2190075
>Alt-history tropes I hate
le pan-meme macro-linguistic union/federation/whatever

>Alt-history tropes I love
Lotharingia/Burgundy/Middle Francia

>>2190146
>not partioning Spain

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>>2190263
> Middle Francia
Speaking of that one, what could be a good symbol for it? I think Lorraine cross is best.

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>>2190217
Hey now, we're all friend here.

t. Canadian

>>2190280
>>2190263
absolute worst alt history idea

>>2190338
t. pierre von krautfranken

>>2190366
kek

>>2190075
>change the timeline massively so some meme state survives(burgundy, byzantines, whatever)
>do so while making sure the rest of the area/region remains EXACTLY the same and the timeline more or less continues the same

austism every time

>>2190195
>Canada
We are referred to as the Dominon of Canada

Source: I'm A Canadian

>>2190410
Literally no one calls us that

t. Another Canadian

>>2190195
Technically Japan is the 'State of Japan'.

>>2190410
>>2190420
Dominions aren't autonomous.

>>2190431
Canada isn't autonomous.

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Everything about this

>>2190075
>LE ONE BATTLE CHANGES EVERYTHING XD

>>2190452
It is.

>>2190457
It belongs to the Queen.

>>2190456

The South somehow winning the entire Civil War by winning at Gettysburg.

>>2190465
you don't understand "autonomous" do you

>>2190483
>What is a joke

>>2190114
that's normal though.

Axis victory means that all their war aims get fulfilled leaving literally no free country on Earth

Napoleon winning means that the European borders remain pretty much the same until present day

Carthage being some sort of lasting power

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>>2190455
>Draining the Mediterranean

>>2190075
Point of divergence somewhere in the dark ages and the circa 1900 borders are copy paste barely different from IRL.

Would it fucking kill the unoriginal cunts to look up google earth a bit?

>>2190075
Nazis directly controlling the entirety of europe or more when that would have been an enormous clusterfuck and federalized so fast hitlers moustache would have fallen off

Roman style civs in the modern era (unless its rome surviving until the modern era)

Athiesm dominant everywhere

Any alt his that drains the mediterranean

"African Megacities" uncolonized or not. Unless its Rhodesian or South African

>>2190075
>Anything to do with the Axis winning WWII (Literally the most retarded scenarios and completely unoriginal)
>muh texas or muh confederacy
>le split up britain for some meme reason
>muh prussia
>muh autism balkans
>muh greek constantinople

>>2190603
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa

its a very german idea

>>2190075
Nazi victory maps

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>>2190195
>descending order of GDP...
>Russia and Mexico that high

Wtf are you smoking senpai?

>>2191254
I think he was doing them in descending order of GDP, not stating that that's the 1-20 spot of GDP
Could be wrong

factions winning that never in a million years have any chance of winning, let alone a stalemate, but certainly not a victory

That map is extremely gay.

That said, I hate blobbing.

>>2190075
When my country isn't in it.

Why are you going to have a map of made up garbage instead of Novgorod?

>>2190410
"Dominion" hasn't been an official title of Canada since we gained independence

Source: I'm a Canadian that's not a moron

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here is my imitation of shit

>>2191225
Germans are always trying to fuck with mediterraneans.

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>>2191323
>red

>map
>look at the netherlands
>netherlands is now part of germany
>or
>netherlands is now part of france

fuck you we wuz literal empire n sheet

Most alt history maps are cancer because everyone is dickriding historical events of the 19th and 20th century and are mostly wet dreams of Wehraboos or Leftipoos.
>what if Germany won WW1/2
>what if Napoleon won in Waterloo
>what if the Confederation won against the Union
>what if the Soviet Union didn't collapse

>>2190075
>muh ebin Großgermaniums
>Dude, lets put all of North Africa and the middle east into one country, it's not like those people are any different lmao
>Greek Constantinople
>Retarded Balkan borders or Yugoslavia 2.0 because the scenario designer knows shit about the area
>Empires everywhere
>Timeline reflects the political worldview of the scenario designer
>Making irrelevant countries super strong and then having them shit all over the timeline
>Celtic Union, made up of Ireland/Wales/Cornwall/Brittany/Scotland/etc
>Nordic Union
>ebin Großpolandiums

>>2191403
>ß
>ß
wrong thread >>>/vg/164819896

Huge assumptions.

>If the US hadn't joined WWII, Europe would all be speaking German now.
>If the Franks hadn't won the Battle of Tours, we'd all be Muslim now.
>If not for European imperialism, Africa wouldn't have become a third-world continent.

>>2191409
>2011+6
>not having a scharfes S on your keyboard

>>2190075
USA occupied by a foreign power after 1919. Completely unrealistic and it's only popular because it appeals to American paranoia about muh evil foreigners.

>>2191259
Still wrong though...? India nr 3?

>>2191447

you're a bit pig headed ain't ye

>>2191225
Wouldn't the land be full of salt and therefore not very fucking fertile?

Fuck it we should make our own not retarded alt his scenario

>>2190075
Eurocentrism
Großdeutsche
Megali Hellas
Greater Serbia

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>>2190075
This. Not even close to being accurate.

>>2190146
>>Idiotic borders on the Balkans due to general ignorance
but that's the same as real life

>California(n) Republic existing and including Baja California for no reason other than them both having California in name
There are only two scenarios. Either Mexico would have retook it by force or the United States would have annexed them. Nothing more, nothing less

Third Reich winning WW2 by not attacking USSR.

>>2191966
>future sokoto not dominating that part of africa
>ethiopia not empiring with gross egypt as african regional powers at eachothers throats
>zulu and xhosa not imperialistic
>kongo not huge as the only catholic power royally married to portugal
>all those nations in the dead of the sahara

Fuckin
Wew
Laddy

>>2192038
What about a Californian British Puppet State during the Victorian era?

>>2191254
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
Your screenshot is from the "GDP (nominal)" list.

>>2190075
the 6M narrative

>>2192508
>Your screenshot is from the "GDP (nominal)" list.

Which is the real GDP
PPP is meaningless autism

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Ignorance of geography when delineating borders desu

>>2190075
The fact that every time someone makes a "what if ___ survived" scenario it has to be some famous country, instead of some shithole like the Far East Republic (not that this would make huge sense, but atleast would be intresting)

Changing historical events then having the same people exist.
If you change an event, different people get born.

>>2192594
this is actually painful to look at. why is the sea the color of an urine of a sick man?

>>2190195
A FUCKING LEAF

>>2191501
that's why they drain the salt too

>>2192594
thanks doc

>>2192673
[spoiler]It's to harken the style of an old map but I failed spectacularly t. creator[/spoiler]

>>2192594
Funny how Italy controls Chezia lol.

Mega African/Balkan/Asian unions are the worst

Ancient empires or people making a reappearance, e.g. Romans or Celtic union

Balkanising Germany, france

Ideologies unrealistically taking root

Borders drawn with no consideration for major cities and landmarks

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>>2190075
This that I made.

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>>2192926

>Giving northern Russia to Finland
> What if the polush commonwealth existed
>What if Germany won WWI

>>2190146
>Idiotic borders on the Balkans due to general ignorance
So much this

>>2192926
>Ukraine

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Scenario: The Central Powers have won ww1

>>2193038
forgot to mention that the Ottomans blew up greenland

>>2193043
ok

>>2190137
>1135
>sikh pakistan/oman
huh?

>>2192926
>t. Srbin
At least give Croatia Herveg-Bosna if you're going to partition that abomination.

>>2192926
>kaliningrad goes to Lithuania

Literally the only problem

>>2192926
>Karaliaučius to rightful baltic masters
Need some nasty russian minority removal and then I'm ok with this.

>>2192926
Why the mountain jew exists?

>>2193269
Which one is the mountain Jew?

>>2190195
uhh isn't Japan supposed to be
>The EMPIRE of Japan

>>2193299
Switzerland

>>2193524
Not since America had something to say about it.

>>2192926
T-template?

>>2193086
Crusader Kings or something like that I assume.

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>>2193534
I'll post some

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>>2193534
Before anyone ask, yes I'm autistic enough to fill this all out.

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>>2193539

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>>2193541

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>>2193543

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>>2193548

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>>2193549

>>2193532
weird because they're a constitutional monarchy and still have an emperor

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>>2193540
You forgot too add La Réforme territoriale who changed french regions

>>2190075
Getting rid of small city states for no reason. Also Belgium still existing.

>>2193543
I dot get it for French.
I mean if I make a map of french african colonies.
Would the colonies be "France P" color or 'Fr-speaking C" color

>>2194512
It's the difference between a colony of France itself, and a colony to someone else where many of the people still speak French.

>>2190410
We haven't been The Dominion of Canada for ages now.

t. Canadian that isn't an idiot

>>2190410
>Dominion of Canada
Top Keks.

>>2190075

The fucking Byzantine Empire.

It's over. They aren't roman and the turks are better anyway.

Fuck you all.

>>2194522
So its about culture?

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>>2193539
I prefer the worlda myself desu

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>>2195190
Also, TACOS is old news

>>2192111
The Brits couldn't even defend the sovereignty of Hawaii.

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>>2190075
>that if Germany had won the war, a country of 60 million with already depleted reserves, they would have somehow occupied Russia and the eastern seaboard of the US

>>2190075
>Scandinavia
>Grossgermanium
>non-states like Belgium still existing

>>2190195
Japan is actually "Nippon-koku" which essentially means Japan-State

>>2190075
>Grossgermanium prussia stronk.
>Occitania and France are really different so they've split but Catalonia and basically whole rest of Spain aren't
>dumbshit borders in balkans/middle east
>le non-westerners can totally hold their ground against Europeans

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>>2192926

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>>2190075
Weird squiggle-spaghetti borders

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>X turns communist
>X turns fascist

>>2193555
That is mostly because yanks half-assed the occupation.

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>>2195239
>the variety of fascism or communism doesn't even have distinguishing features.

>>2195258
It was a conscious, deliberate decision.

>>2190075
>What's an alternate history cliche you hate?

Calling something you don't like a "cliche".

East Asian country suddenly modernizing is simply explained as "pulling a Meiji", nevermind that the Meiji restoration was just putting the emperor back on top of the chain of power

North Italian confederation being called Padania any time before 1990s

Post-WWI Turkish state in Anatolia using Ottoman in its name, even if it's a republic or a communist government

>>2190114
Thats true for most real life countries now and in history but usually those are referred just by country name.

>>2191447
It's not about paranoia of evil foreigners but fantasy of being invaded and having truly good fight in defense of homeland or have dark times where their nation has fallen. Alien Invasion stories are same thing but upgraded to modern times and to someone who could really threaten USA (and rest of world too).
Other countries who had historical invasions and ocupations dont need fictional invasion stories.

>>2190195
100% prevalence. Dominion and State.

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>>2190308
hey I'm here too friendo

>>2190075
Use of that hideous Robinson projection, rather than something that actually makes sense.

>>2190075

>If Operation Unthinkable is a go, the Soviets will sweep the Western allies into the Atlantic in weeks/months.

I'm not trying to Americaboo here, but I've never seen an explanation as to why people think the Soviets would do better against the Americans and British than they would against the shattered Wehrmacht of 1945, but these sorts of alt-his projections of how the war in Europe goes rely on exactly that assumption.

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>>2194512
If it's a French colony, it's French C. If it's an independent country, it's one of the other colours

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>>2194512
>>2195734
Oops, meant French D. As the map I posted shows, some go for different styles.

>>2190075
Ireland ever unifying, epecially without any involvement from England or another foreign power.

>>2190146
>germany wins ww2
could have happend if Hitler didn't invade russia and didn't ally Japan (no US invasion of Germany then).
Britain would have signed a peace treaty sooner or later

>>2190455
>people believe Franco and Mussolini would be ok with this

>>2190205
>I hate people that use those titles incorrectly. For example, someone that calls themselves an empire of ___ when they're a one province state with no real power or influence, or a republic of ___ ruled by a king, breaking its own rules.

>>2190195
>The PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of China

Which is actually People's Republic of the Middle Kingdom. Voltaire must be spinning in his grave. So, you know, it's not like there isn't a precedent.

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There's nothing wrong with an Axis victory when the result is something like this

when Switzerland is not a country of itself
one has to be pretty ignorant of history OR set the point of divergence way back in the past for it to make sense

>>2195953

Almost happened under Boru.

>inb4 after he dies it falls apart

can't be sure.

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>>2196102
>Norway is alowed to be independent
>meanwhile sweden is divided betwen germany and Finland
Reeeeeeee!! fucking hate german autism

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>>2196131
I like that map because it's not the usual axiswank

>>2192926
What a mess, this would never last, all those eastern states will fight and then surely merge

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>>2190075
>What's an alternate history cliche you hate?
Argentina siding with the Nazis in WW2.

It shows a total lack of understanding of our history and economy at the time, we were the "honorary Dominion" providing beef and wheat to the British Empire, 80% of the beef eaten in Great Britain came from here. Joining the Axis as one of the largest exporters trading across an Atlantic Ocean dominated by the Royal Navy would have decimated our shipping and crashed our economy into the ground.

The sentiment among the people was overwhelmingly pro-Allied. As it stands, real life neutral Argentina was already rather alt-historish, we even had our own volunteer squadrons in the RAF.

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Then there's Axiswanks like this

>>2195258
>>2195274
The Japanese Emperor was something like a Pope/Caliph for them so removing him from power like he was just the Kaiser or King of Italy would have provoked massive religious fanatic rebellion against the occupying forces

Ergo we didn't do that

>>2195272
>but it's an aggressive state with hammer and sickle flag so communist
>but it's an aggressive state that hates jews so fascist

>>2190195
>Which is actually People's Republic of the Middle Kingdom.
Wikipedia seems to imply that "zhongguo" means "middle state", not "middle kingdom". The word actually used in the PRC's official title is "zhonghua", which seems to mean something like "Chinese civilization".

>>2190075
>WOT IF DA NAZIS WUN WW2?
literally retarded

>>2192038
If it was an empire led by Emperor Norton then, it would be ok with me.

>>2190410
I never knew that

Another Canadian

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>>2195193
>TOASTER better than TACOS

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>>2196948
Boy, you do see all those colours AND ALL THAT EMPTY SPACE FOR FUTURE UPDATES?

>pic unrelated

>>2196966
A lot of the colors don't look right, and are just very slight variations that barely look different from one another.

>>2193133
why

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>>2196972
I dunno, the base ones are mostly still there but it adds a lot more. I guess you could be put off by the change of direction regarding colours for different political systems but I kind of like those desu

And obviously, when you have this many colours it's going to be hard to make very distinct new ones.

Why do all these retards use the fucking ROBINSON PROJECTION for drawing alternate-history maps?? I really don't see the allure.

>>2197031
what do you suggest? fucking mercator?

>>2197044
Mercator, equirectangular, or equal-area cylindrical--or some azimuthal projection--but not some disgustingly hideous COMPROMISE.

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>>2197031
I don't know and after years of looking at the same base maps, I don't care

>>2190366
>t. pierre von krautfranken

What does that t. abbreviation mean again?

>>2197066
Regards, iirc.

>>2197066
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terveisin

A KnowYourMeme forumite says:
>It’s a dank Finnish way of “signing” one’s posts. It means, “with regards” and is used to sign letters. It got widely used outside Finland in Dolan and Spurdo comics, as well as every /int/ board on a chan because of the large Finnish presence those boards attract.

>>2197050
Mercator is simply filthy disgusting, equirectangular is too flat at the top to be aesthetic, just as equal area cylindrical, azimuthal is retarded
Robinson is aesthetic
>>2197066
it stands for regards in finnish, in memespeech it's pretty much "the person who wrote the previous message is the following thing"

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>>2197073
>compromise
>aesthetic
Wrong. Only conformal projections are aesthetic.

>>2197080
if you hadn't read somewhere that robinson is a compromise you would not have a problem with it
It just objectively looks better than other projections
Also your pic related is disgusting
>that distorted Russia
>that Russia split in 2 (easternmost tip)
>that antartica with the lower piece cut off
>new zealand being place horizontally
It just doesn't look good

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>>2197099
>Lolsorandom half-round, half-rectangular shape
>It just objectively looks better
Thanks for the laugh, 'ttebayo.

>Also your pic related is disgusting
Roffle.

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>>2197121
I hope you're being sarcastic
Certainly you realise you prefer those maps you're posting because you are a map projections' autist, and that any "normal" person would find Robinson more aesthetically pleasing

>>2190457
>au·ton·o·mous
>adjective
>(of a country or region) having self-government, at least to a significant degree.
It's autonomous

>>2197121
>>2197080
How are these literal ass projections better?

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>>2197145
I didn't say they were "better" than the Robinson. I said they were "aesthetic", unlike the Robinson.

My overall favorite projection actually is pic related.

>>2196044
>could have happened
Nope.

Germany had no decent allies outside of Italy (with whom they never formed a cohesive grand strategy anyway), and had a whole host of many, many other problems, many of which were related to Hitler but weren't the result of specific big decisions Hitler made.
>Luftwaffe a disorganized mess
>military technology not as consistently advanced as propaganda and popular notion would have one believe
>Kriegsmarine did not have ability to control Atlantic, much less challenge the British Navy
>terrible oil access
>etc.
>etc.

Britain knew they could hold out for longer than Germany, and Roosevelt was slowly escalating towards war with Germany anyway; Pearl Harbor made the inevitable happen faster.

Stalin going after Hitler might have been inevitable as well, although given Stalin's surprise at the German invasion that may not be true; Stalin sure as shit was not going to ally with Germany to fight the UK and USA.

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>>2197157
Now you're just fucking trolling.

>>2197157
imagine russia being depicted on that map you turbo autist that's not aesthetic it's disgusting

>>2190075
What about ones that aren't used enough (or at least from the ones I've seen)

>USSR won the cold war, causing the US to split into smaller entities and convert to communism

>The Scramble for Africa never occurred, allowing Ethiopia to become a world power

>The A-Bombs were never dropped on Japan, causing the allied invasion of mainland Japan. The country is split in two, similar to Korea. The North is communism while the South is capitalist.

>Plague doesn't decimate the Native Americans, allowing them to resist European long enough until the Europeans figure it's not worth the hassle. The Aztecs and Incans become a world power.

>>2197166
>Stalin sure as shit was not going to ally with Germany to fight the UK and USA.
Stalin viewed Hitler and Churchill/Roosevelt as equals. They were both capitalists and therefore enemies to the Soviets.

Thinking about it, that's a scenario I'm interested in seeing. A cold war between Nazi Germany and The Soviet Union

>>2190075
>Nazis win WW2
the classic, the ultimate, and by far the worst

>>2197133
>>2197173
I really don't see how my position can be considered unreasonable.

>Cylindrical equal-area = girl
>Mercator = dog
>Robinson = hideously mutated alchemical crossbreed that begs for death

>>2196047
>people believe anyone cares what Franco wants or thinks

Little shit would never have even gotten control of his irrelevant country without significant Nazi and Fascist aid, and he wouldn't even lend a hand during the war. I'm not even a fascist but what a cunt.

>>2197216
logic is NOT a factor here
I look at map, map is disgustingly distorted, map is shit

>>2197066
"regards" in Finish

Typically used in English-language by people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about

>>2197226
>Cylindrical equal-area = shape distortion
>Mercator = area distortion
>Robinson = shape AND area distortion
What's your point?

>>2197234
but it's distorted in such a way that it's NOT disgusting
try posting one of those projections you posted earlier but with political borders on them
Countries' shapes are disgusting
It's distorted in both ways as to minimise each way's distortion

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>>2197243
>but it's distorted in such a way that it's NOT disgusting
When you look at a Mercator projection, you mentally compensate for area distortion. When you look at a cylindrical equal-area projection, you mentally compensate for shape distortion. However, when you look at a Robinson projection, how are you supposed to mentally compensate for area AND shape distortion simultaneously?

>try posting one of those projections you posted earlier but with political borders on them
Looks fine to me.

>>2197271
>those canada and russia
ok you are delusional, not really any point discussing this further

>>2196047
>Mussolini
I don't think Hitler would have cared about him anymore. Italians were complete amateur during the war.

>>2190410

Dominion is not an official title

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>>2190075

>Istanbul is Greek
Just get over with it lmao

>>2197223
>expecting a country who's citizens are literally starving and collapsing in the streets to join a world war
Spain was dependant on food imports from the UK, the countryside was decimated and the military was hardly world class

>>2195953
That very nearly happened though
not to mention the reason we haven't unified is the fault of the eternal Anglo

>everything that happens in future of 21st century will result in huge border changes
>nothing ever happens internally
this is the worst of all, when it comes to the future ones

>>2197384
I know that's sarcastic, but
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2196966
what the fuck is this shit

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>>2197526
A future timeline map. I saved it because it's pretty well done

>>2197526
>>2197526
>swedish ummah
oh

>>2190455
That map is pure autism.

The best outcome the Axis could have achieved is a negotiated peace with Britain intact, and a Cold War stalement against the USA. No Axis territories outside of Europe and North Africa, no axis territories in the Americas, and certainly not draining the fucking Mediterranean.

Japan's fate was decided, they are going to get their shit pushed in by the USA after Pearl Harbour no matter what. Their only chance of making it to the end of the war is by remaning neutral and not attacking Pearl Habour but this means no Philippines, no Indonesia, no Burma and running out of rubber and oil by 1944.

And the Germans better pray they get the bomb before America does, also a long shot.

>>2197556
*stalemate not stalement

>>2197556
In Phillip K. Dick's defense, I don't think the Man in the High Castle was meant so much to be a realistic exploration of an Axis victory as a story with the most extreme version of an Axis victory imaginable serving as a backdrop.

>>2197563
Also keep in mind Dick was writing in a time when we severely overestimated Germany's strength, and a lot of logistical information on them would have still been classified.

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>>2197556
>>2197563
>>2197584
I know, my beef is not as much with him as it is with the retards in the present who take the show as gospel today.

This would have been a realistic Axis victory map, assuming a neutral Japan and a negotiated peace with Germany that turns into a Cold War.

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>>2197686
While it shouldn't be taken for gospel, it still makes for a neat idea to play with, just like 1984.

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>>2191390
But then that erases Britannia

>>2191323
>GREECE owning western Anatolian coastline

This has to be the worst IMO

There's a reason they call it gross germany. Shit's ugly

>>2196978
królewiec is polish clay

>>2190075
when people have absolutely no knowledge of a particular area so they just lump everything into one big country that makes no sense from any standpoint

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Is this the dumbest alt history world /his/?

>>2197312
If Germans are somehow capable not just avoiding being crushed but conquer world I think Italians should have some magic boost in effectiveness too.

>>2190455
>drained Mediterranean
>Mare Nostrum

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>>2190075
This book right here is literally the dumbest althis garbage ever written.

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>>2197548
>expansion of the ice sheets with no expansion of coastlines as a natural result

triggered

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>>2190075
>north america is still divided on the 49th parallel

>>2193555
It is because after the americans were done with the japs, the rest of the world went all
>look at the state of it!
Hence the state of Japan

>>2199305
SM Stirling is the same nigga who wrote that series about how some physics experiment made all technology invented past the 1600's suddenly cease working right?
>gunpowder doesn't work
>lol fire does though

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>>2199399
>gunpowder
>invented past the 1600's

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>>2199305
>pic very related

>>2198261
there's more lithuanians there than poles

>>2196142
>japan controls finland, norway and denmark.
hmm

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>>2199755
They don't control them, they're just part of their bloc

>>2190173
this.
this.
this.

>>2199596
This one always makes me think of Code Geass gone horribly wrong.

>>2197789
why? It very nearly happened

>the Kennedy gunman sneezed due to shift in pollen
>he missed his shot
>gets captured
>Kennedy survives as 2 term president and is widely popular
>US is widely more progressive
>US never formally escalates that Vietnam civil-war and soon as the Buddhist monk immolate protest happens, Kennedy decides to de-escalate the situation and remove the forces from Vietnam slowly over time
>Lyndon Johnson/Ho-chi-min agree to peace treaty where, the south vietnamese troops wouldn't face severe punishment in favor of a more positive Vietnam/US relations over the next few decades
>The war is not called "Vietnam war" but rather Vietnam-Civil War in contemporary history
>Vietnam although communist, slowly transitions to capitalistic/Democratic side over the next few decades
>Relations with Russia remain same, however when Russia/China split happens, US decides to stay neutral
>Both Russia/China have a much more strained relation a decade or so
>Communism in Russia collapses around mid 80s, China is now the sole Communist power
>US helps Russia with building economy power through a "New Deal" where both Russia/US disarms nuclear weapons in favor of a more stable world peace
>China has been going downhill as well because US/West has not officially acknowledged its legitimacy.
>China can only sustain itself through ultra nationalistic agendas. Think North Korea style.
>In early 2000s communism collapses in China
>China revolts and country is split up once more.
>Inner Mongolia joins Mongolia official.
>Tibet becomes independent with backing of India/Mongolia
>Taiwan become neutral and declares independence
>China proper becomes a republic government based on democratic principle
>Vietnam is fully democratized by now
>Year is 2017

>>2190075
Velika Albanija and no Kosovo

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>>2190075

>>2199838
Looks good until the China shit.
Why would China collapse?
The reformists were crushed under the tanks in Tianmen Square

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>>2190075
Allies loose World War 2 because the United States does not join due to the death of Roosevelt.

How can the acolytes of his Cult of Personality forget about the whole Japanese surprise attack and Germany declaring war shortly thereafter thing?

>>2200331

germany declared war because of the meddling in the atlantic. It's called the undeclared war for a reason..

They'd have no reason to declare war if USN wasn't already basically at war with the KM

>>2200321
They wouldn't be able to support a growing population, also because their trade economy isn't linked to the world because no Nixon.

>Le balkanized Europe best Europe XDDDDD

>>2199838
nice fanfic lmao

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>>2200309
Not gonna lie, that's a sexy China

>>2193038
butifel

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>>2197031
>>2197044
>>2197050
>>2197073
>>2197080
>>2197157
>>2197243
>>2197271
Anyone with taste knows that the equirectangular plate carrée projetion is the best and most sublime projectionfu.

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>>2202006

>>2199838
>>Inner Mongolia joins Mongolia official.
>>Tibet becomes independent with backing of India/Mongolia
What happens to East Turkistan (Xinjiang)? Does it become free of China as well?

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Germany won world war 2, but that is mostly limited to stuff like the man in the high castle. I find Fatherland to be a lot more believable alternative tale

>>2190075
none

let people have their fun
nothing is inevitable and one day's third world shithole can become next day's imperialist bully

>>2197145
>literal ass

underated pal

>>2190075
Polish cav charging grossdeutsche Panzer.

>>2190455
>Drained mediterranian sea
>salted slagg
>usable farmland
Uh i have some bad news about this.

>>2199278
It's Terra Nostra now

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>czech republic is referred to as "czechia"

>>2200692
Ahh actually Americaclaps us Aussies were the first to visit Communist China. None of that Nixon bullshit alright?

>>2203137
That's reality, now. They changed the official name in English.

>>2203167
Yeah but no one gives a shit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/nobody-calls-it-czechia-czech-republic-new-fails-catch-on

Czechs are some of the stupidest, most delusional people I've had the misfortune of meeting. No surprise that they tried to push this. At least they realised eventually how moronic it is.

>>2203451
Too bad Czech Republic sounds like garbage. There is nothing wrong with Czechia.

>>2203451
Not him, but now that I know the Czechs want it called Czechia, that's what I'll be calling it.

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Why mericans are so triggered by Czechia?

>>2203455
Czechia is pathetic forced shit.

>>2203458
You and about 3 other people. I bet you post on /int/ as well. Sad stuff.

>>2203470
>forced shit
It's what they always called themselves, it's just Anglos are retarded.

>>2203474
And the Japs call their country Nippon. Doesn't matter.

Actually, you probably do call it Nippon in everyday conversation.

>>2203143
No one fucking cares. The swedes were there before you.

>>2203481
And you probably call Mexico the United Mexican States and Spain the Kingdom of Spain.

>>2203470
>You and about 3 other people. I bet you post on /int/ as well. Sad stuff.

Never been to /int/. Also this is the first I've ever heard about it.

>>2203491
No, because the entirety of the English-speaking world calls it Czech Republic. Nobody calls it "the Kingdom of Spain" outside of formal environments. I'm guessing you're an ESL speaker, right? Try to keep up please.

>>2203504
Remember when the entirety of the English-speaking world called it Persia, but now calls it Iran? You'll get over it and find something different to be triggered about.

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>>2203507
Yeah man, that's totally going to happen. We'll all be calling it Czechia before the year is out I wager.

KEK.

>>2203507
> now calls it Iran
And this is somehow good thing? I bet you support Zimbabwe over Rhodesia.

>>2203525
You're right, I'm sure Iran will never catch on.

>>2203537
Indeed, I can't wait to start calling it Czechia and no longer be met with blank stares from my peers. 'tis a wonderful thing to see!

>>2196966
>scotland
>ever, EVER being independent
faragelaughingwhilesturgeoncries.jpg

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return of monarchism or confessional monarchies

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>>2197556
Basically Fatherland

>>2191501
The Dutch farm on drained seabed. It apparently takes a couple decades of heavy rainfall to get the salt out.

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>>2196102
>>2196322
>>2197686
>>2197692
>>2199759
>>2200309
>>2201535
>>2203648
>>2203831
>>2201535
NICE

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Alright, an alt history thread seems like the right place for this.

Which map looks better to you all? They're basically the same thing except the countries under foreign influence are marked in a different way and I can't decide which to use.

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>>2204434
There's more where that came from

>>2204507
neither are any good, I gather shades of red are commies, shades of brown are italian, shades of grey are nazi, but I have no idea why the outlines are different shades of yellow or whether persia is under commie influence or the british empire or what happened to britain, it is an autistic mess

>>2204507
>>2204560
honestly, this

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>>2204560
>>2204572
I thought it was pretty obvious, even without a legend. I was asking about the general aesthetic and honestly, I don't see how else one could represent alliances and spheres other than either the outline system on the left or the lighter shade system on the right.

>>2204579
ok but I need to know what the maps and the aesthetics used in it are trying to convey in order to give a judgment on how good the aesthetics are

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>>2204585
Both maps represent the same scenario. To take the right one as the example, Nazi Germany is in gray and it's allies/puppets are in light gray. Striped areas are under military occupation. Neutral/irrelevant countries (e.g. Switzerland) could also be shown in white but I missed that.

>>2190075
>"Muh grossgermania"

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>one of the late antiquity meme religions (Mithraism, Sol Invictus, Manicheism) overtakes Christianity and becomes the state religion in The Roman Empire.

>>2204510
>Cameroon
>Literally a Françafrique county
>communist revolution
Holy shit it's real

>>2203537
Erhm. What are Iran and Zimbabwe? Seriously I cant find them anywhere. Peiple keep saying this shit but i know they are wrong. Is this a joke? Making up random countries?

>>2190165
>>2190195
dumbass

>>2207406
moron

>>2207412
>has obvious autism flare up
>"YOUR THA STOOPID ONE"
mmm hmm

>>2207430
idiot

>>2207436
moran

>>2207439
imbecile

>>2196044
>>2197166
Could have happened very early if the Germans didn't wait off at Dunkirk, but forced the British to surrender

>>2207443
retard

>>2204832
I love this. They have the perfect mix of Hellenic mythology's erotic appeal and Christianity's cosmic scope.

>>2207780
loser

>>2207787
dumbfuck

>>2207787
chucklefuck

>>2207796
shithead

>>2207800
ethnic german

>>2207814
Well, pack it up boys. No one's gonna top that

>>2192000
Nice trips anon, also you're right

>>2191966
What kind of bizarre alternate history results in Africa being upside-down?

>>2208198
Nothing, it's just an Africa-centered map that resisted European colonization (but not muslim colonization)

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Norway ever joining another Kalmar Union

>>2197734
That's why it's all illogical alt history, and in reality Anglos are still top dog, no matter the pipe dream of autistic commies/facists/shitskins/nazis

>>2202116
But people want another Woflstein story where nazis are just evil aliens/demons who conquer world.

>>2203481
>Actually, you probably do call it Nippon in everyday conversation.
No, I call it Niponia

>>2196147
Not to ruin your parade but a lot of people got their own RAF squads, and you got a sauce for argie beef making up 80% I'm Britain, cause I know argies love beef but that sounds like flat out cow shit to me

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Sweden ever joining another Kalmar Union

>>2190195

He means countries that don't use "of" in their title.

Empire of France versus French Empire.

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>>2208372
>>2208372
>Not to ruin your parade but a lot of people got their own RAF squads
Not really the same thing, most other countries with RAF squadrons were either under Axis occupation (Poles, Czechs) or were British subjects (India, Rhodesia).

Argentina was unique in that it was unaffected by the conflict but it contributed the most Allied volunteers of any neutral nation after Ireland, with over 4,000 in the RAF alone and several thousand volunteers more in the French, Canadian, South African and Australian forces.

And this is on account on the particular special "Honorary Dominion" relationship we had with Britain at the time. There was more British capital invested here than in actual colonies like Australia and South Africa, and over 1 million British subjects living here, the most outside of the Anglosphere countries.

Neutral Argentina was already as alt-historish as it gets. We were one of the three wealthiest countries in the world, a sort of Spanish-speaking Canada hijacked by proto-fascists in the 1943 coup, and they moved the country in their direction as much as they could. But neither the population nor the economy could have supported us joining the Axis, our economy was way too linked with Britain at the time. That's why I said that alt-history cliche of us joining the Axis is fucking stupid IMHO.

>you got a sauce for argie beef making up 80% I'm Britain
Coming up

>>2208372
>>2209043
Source on the beef quote:
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,819921,00.html

And a good book on the British-Argie 1830-1943 friendship

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=aa0uMHmBbNIC

>>2209043
Alt histories that see South Africa joining the Axis are stupid for the same reason btw.