Colonies

asian colonies were better able to maintain their independence, while african powers were obliterated. being next door to Europe made military offensives easier than in asia, so the colonial powers went further in their efforts to exploit them.

also no slave trade

The African colonies were set up to exploit resources of the continent and not much was invested back into local infrastructure or education of the populace. African society had also no bridge between tribal government to liberal democracy and thus struggled greatly to adapt to representative government.

Asian colonies were set up for a different purpose (trade, strategic location) and thus the colonisers had greater interest in funding education for the locals, or for putting money in the area in terms of infrastructure.

What about Central Asia?

>>2186866

Central Asia was governed by Russia for the most of the colonial Era. While they are wealthier than China and India in terms of GDP per capita (Kazakhstan has a GDP per capita comparable to Eastern European GDP), they really haven't advanced to the point of being Industrial powerhouses simply due to the fact that most of central Asia is landlocked and thereby has to facilitate trade via trains and airplanes (which is far more costlier than shipping).

>Singapore
>Hong Kong
>India
>Australia
>New Zealand
It's like only British colonies even have a hope of not turning into shitholes afterwards, compared to Dutch and Spanish and French colonies.

>>2186613
Multiple factors, but you gotta keep in mind that the colonisation wasn't the same in Asia and Africa.

>>2186851
Explains it well

>>2186617
This.

>>2186613
Well in the pre colonial period the parts of Asia that got conquered by Europe were already ahead of nearly all of Africa in terms of wealth and infrastructure.

>>2186851
>French Indochina
>colony of economic exploration
Kys. If anything African colonies had more in terms of education and culture provided by Europeans than Asian colonies did.

>>2187577
Not him, but education options for the native population were way greater in India and the Dutch east Indies then basically anywhere in Africa.

Because Europeans only ever treated Africa as a giant pile of resources due to racial values but they didn't extend the same courtesy to Asians.

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>>2186613
Because....well, you know, racial traits, intelligence, laziness...etc

Overwhelmingly geographic determinism, the malay archipelago is easy to secure with a navy which guerrillas don't have. Other asian countries are in a more temperate climate with more dense grain production and not as much disease.

You will notice countries in Asia that were in a similar situation to Africa countries like Cambodia and Laos were cripplingly poor and places like Vietnam were a good location for guerrilla warfare. About the only outlier is Thailand which is something the more social science oriented and liberally biased historians like >>2186851 would want to focus on and would do so with glee since colonialism actually did play an overwhelming role in the fate of this nation, but for some reason they prefer to make broad sweeping statements.

>>2186851
>and thus the colonisers had greater interest in funding education for the locals

Absolutly wrong
The difference is that Asian countries already had actual societies and civilizations even before the Europeans arrived (while Africans were still living like hunter-gatherer subhumans), so even without Europeans educating them, they didnt end up like literal chimps as soon as whitey left

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>>2187616
This is correct.

Africans are good for a tribal society. IQ 77
Arabs are good for theocracy society with some development. IQ 87
Whites are good for social democratic societies. IQ 98
Asians are good for real futuristic development. (will happen soon) IQ 107

>>2187629
>Asian countries already had actual societies and civilizations
Not him but that is due to geographical determinism.

good environment = civilization
good environment = a bonus after decolonizaion

>>2187632
Even if this is true they are only like 5 IQ points lower if they didn't like in an AIDS ridden malnourished shitty country. Geographical determinism plays an overwhelming role.

>>2187632
Indians have an IQ of about 85 so that's wrong.

>>2187636
True, and if you add evolution to the equation it gives:

good environment = superior race
bad environment = inferior race

That's why nigs who are born in the West are still inferior
Evolution wrote inferiority within their genes

>>2187637
>5 points
Lol, that's if you take the most optimistic white IQ and the most pessimistic Asian one.

The difference is closer to 10 points as is shown by how much brighter Asian children are than white children.

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>>2187645
So you are an Asian Nationalist?

>>2186613
this ching sums it up pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLOvdgXSy_Q

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>>2186617
>>2187561
>>2187629
>>2187632
>>2187645
>>2187731
>Lets reduce a complex topic and ignore major historical and geographic factors into just blaming all ills on a group of people I don't like.

>>2187997
I understand your point. I could even write a very long text about every thing I know about colonial history, from the introduction of the grenade in Asia by the French through Indochina to the sugar canes Portugal planted in Madeira. But it really comes down to the fact that if human societies are equal, then how come some surpassed others in terms of economy, culture, military, etc? And before you say something about geography, let me also remind you that 80% of Japanese territory is just mountains, and at the same time Brazil has the fourth largest area of arable lands in the world.

>>2186796
>>2187607
/thread

>>2188056

geography

you fucking retard.

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>>2187636

>t. Jared Diamond

>>2188068
This meme is perpetuated by autists who can't take a closer look at maps.
Middle East: dry and desertic. Gave birth to sedentarism, coinage, commerce.
Greece: small and mountainous. Gave birth to philosophy, democracy, aesthetic.
China: Asian jungle. Most prominent civization in human history.
Japan: mountainous archipelago. Gave birth to a center of culture and morality, an empire that conquered much of its neighbors, and more importantly, anime.
Brazil: huge areas of arable lands, endless wood, ores and minerals. Third world banana republic.
Venezuela: largest oil reserves in the entire world. Supermarkets don't have toilet paper available.
Congo: 98% of worlds cobalt reserves, diamond mines, gold, silver, platinum and iron ores. Complete shithole.
Russia: oil, diamonds, coal, steel, carbon, third largest in arable lands. Living standards lower than those of Turkey.

>>2188068
You're the retard though
He disproved the georaphy thing in his post

>>2188146
Congo:
2 seasons, shit soil due to rain, insane humidity levels, no spring, crappy plants

meanwhile chernozem in europe

at least learn about geography your understanding is that of a retard

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>>2188168
Much of South and Southeast Asia go through exactly the same and that was never an excuse that prevented them from forming formidable nations. I personally find it astonishing how Thais and Khmers built such temples when their entire lands are covered by dense jungles and, by the way, there is this meteorological phenomenon called monsoon that affects the entire region.

>>2188190
Yeah me too, guess they had rice and agriculture and a larger population.

HUH

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>>2188056
>80% of Japanese territory is just mountains
Mountains with good soil and in relatively close proximity to one of the most important hubs of civilization
>Brazil has the fourth largest area of arable lands in the world
A lot of it is shitty jungle which is hard to manage and has notoriously shitty soil. Also it was set up entirely as a slave based extraction colony with no intention of having it function outside of Portuguese control and even with that considered its doing somewhat well.

>>2188146
>Middle East: dry and desertic. Gave birth to sedentarism, coinage, commerce.
And has a large reliable river passing right through it and is at the crossroads to just about anywhere (great for trade).
>Greece: small and mountainous. Gave birth to philosophy, democracy, aesthetic.
Also has a decent climate with mild temperatures year round and is also at a trade crossroads. Also pretty good fishing.
>China: Asian jungle. Most prominent civization in human history.
Most of it isn't jungle and it has two giant rivers which set agriculture on easy mode.
>Japan: mountainous archipelago. Gave birth to a center of culture and morality, an empire that conquered much of its neighbors, and more importantly, anime.
>morality
Also see above
>Brazil: huge areas of arable lands, endless wood, ores and minerals. Third world banana republic.
See above
Venezuela: largest oil reserves in the entire world. Supermarkets don't have toilet paper available.
>Much of the same situation as Brazil and oil wont feed your kids especially as countries move away from fossil fuels.
>Congo: 98% of worlds cobalt reserves, diamond mines, gold, silver, platinum and iron ores. Complete shithole.
Counts for jackshit in creating the bedrock of civilization (agriulture is the main driver in which the congo is shit) and most of that was only useful relatively recently.
>Russia: oil, diamonds, coal, steel, carbon, third largest in arable lands.
Also an icy hellhole and same anachronism as congo.

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> muh racial IQ
How exactly 75 IQ meme stops you from creating civilization? All /pol/ memers repeat this shitty not an arugument and nobody even bothers to explain mechanism that should prevent blacks from doing cities and such. At least gographical guys can be smart enough to point that you need certain thing to create a state like agricultures or right animals so sometimes zebras and brilliants aren't enough.

>>2188216
> icy hellhole
The main part of russia isn't.

>>2188216
You seem like an educated person unlike >>2188198 so I'd like to ask you what you think about the native Americans. I know that for determinists it's a fact that North America is the world's best place for civilizations because of the great plains, the lands, the rivers, the climate, everything. And yet the natives there didn't develop anything worthwhile. Aztecs, Incas and Mayans did, but not the north American natives. At the same time, it took less than 300 years of European migration to turn north America into the center of the world.
>b-but the Europeans brought their knowledge with them!
Why hadnt natives developed that same knowledge when they lived in a subcontinent that is much like Europe except even bigger and better to good extent.

>>2188242
/pol/tards don't have the IQ to explain it.

>>2188242
>Why can't civilizations be made up of exclusively retarded individuals?
75 IQ is down syndrome level. Can you imagine one country where everyone has downs syndrome?

>>2188275
>according to the IQ scale africans are at the level of down syndrome patients
reliable scale

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>>2188275
More than just one actually.

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>>2188275
Qatar is 65 IQ and it is the richest place in the universe.

>>2188285
>99-107
>literally sub100 IQ euro countries and east asians colored the same

whoever did this map was purposely trying to deceive people into believing Asians don't consistenstly score higher than whites

>>2188293
I know a lot of poltards think Europeans are better than Asians so I can see what you are trying to say but I disagree with that. I'm a huge Asiaboo.
>>2188287
It's literally an exception. Anyone with critical thinking would notice the pattern and think of something that could cause that deviation, like maybe the fact that only 20% of people in Qatar are native born. They import shit tons of low skilled third worlders to work in their construction projects.

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>>2188242

Say you have two civilizations, or groups of people, however you want to divide them up, with two different distributions such as in this pic, arranged according to some metric of ability, define that as you will as well, IQ is commonly accepted as one of the best predictors of individual/collective success.

Now your average of these two groups will not be seriously different. One may be a little slower but by and large neither are spectacular. They can hang out, enjoy talking to each other, fuck, whatever, they're "the same" basically.

Now look at the right tails of each distribution. It's long been accepted that almost all of societal development/progress/innovation, and administration, is carried out by tail enders, usually anyone in the top 10 or top 5% of the group. These are the people who invent, engineer, philosophize, study, organize, and the rest of society, the average, fall in line. Look at the disparity in the total amount of top 5%'ers between the two groups. In some regards, there may not even exist people in the worse distribution who match the ability of those in the better.

This is why one society will prevail superior to another until the end of time. Your perspective is simply misguided.

>>2188249
>>2188249
>>2188249
Still waiting you to refute this.

>>2188216

>the muh soil meme

Smart people create arable land themselves. They clear forests and condition the land. We've been able to find ways to produce crops in almost any kind of non-desert environment imaginable.

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>>2188312
>I disagree Asians are superior
They have better genetic potential when it comes to intelligence, on average. It's every single time they outscore whites on tests whites themselves created.
Not saying whites should be genocided, they can have 2nd place.

>>2188313
Is why we need to give immigrants an IQ test.

>>2188313
then have the smart ones rule the stupid ones, problem solved, that is why we have aristocracy/capitalism

you /pol/tards are insufferable, fascism is when the retards in a wealthy country take over and it shouldn't be allowed

>>2188313
This.
Unless the causation is the other way around.
Then not this.

>>2188321
I'm no expert but I would assume it has something to do with the lack of reliable crops and the lack of domesticatable animals.

>>2188354

Your point makes no sense. Maybe your issue is forming a coherent thought, not the facts of life that offend your feelsies.

>>2186613
>Why have the former Asian colonies performed so much better than the former African colonies in the post-imperial era?
Like which ones? Hong Kong and Singapore did well because they became trade hubs, the island chain countries of southeast asia and india did well because they are located along trade routes and used smart economic strategies to draw foreign investment that still allowed them to build up local industry, peninsular southeast asian countries did "well" because they went communist and built up their local industries (though they're actually still very shitty places)
and also >>2188056
is a fucking retard because japan was never a colony

>>2188329

This is where we introduce the possibility of a second X factor trait, considering Asians double white populations and still need to cheat off of them to get 2nd place in world relevancy and success.

>>2188313
>This is why one society will prevail superior to another until the end of time.
funny how this has never happened before in all of history

>>2186613
Until the 70s and 80s, South Korea was considered a third world backwater with no potential. Things change. Also, much of Africa was controlled by USA or USSR backed puppet regimes that ruined the country. China and Japan held their own or simply weren't led by foreign-backed despots.

>>2187210
>Pakistan
>Bangladesh
>Uganda

>>2188442

we have yet to experience all of history

more history happened as I was typing this post

Now that I think of it I came to this board to make a thread about the Nolan diagram. It's been one hour since I found this and have been shitpost ITT.

>>2188466
the future isnt history yet

>>2186613
Because they've actually become independent.

>>2187632
There were and still are functioning African states, as there were secular, developed Middle Eastern countries.

>>2188146
>Middle East
Used to be fertile and more forested like the Mediterranean.
>Greece
Still had some arable land, and had domestic crops from Asia.
>China
Mostly not a jungle.
>Japan
Close to China and has some arable land as well as good fishing waters.
>Brazil
Run by right wing dictatorship for years, chronically exploited for its resources.
>Venezuela
Has always imported a fair amount of food and is currently run by a corrupt, authoritarian former bus driver.
>Congo
Incredibly humid and flood-prone, and run by a total nutjob dictator for decades during the 20th century.
>Russia
Much of its land is tundra or taiga. Besides, it had noticeably higher living standards (relatively) in the past.

>>2188503
couple of comments

about russia, they produce tons of crops from their European part, not like they aren't using the land

>authoritarian former bus driver
what could be worse

>>2188249
>>2188321
>>2188367
Not my area of expertise but there is the matter for the apocalyptic plague which destroyed over 90% of the population effectively destroying most traces of advanced civilization.
>What about ruins.
If they happened to build their structures from wood and earth like many African civilizations then we are shit out of luck on that department.

We also have to factor in trade. Between the coasts there are multiple ragged mountain ranges and deserts which while not completely prohibiting trade make it a massive pain in the ass (like the sahara)
>But east Asia has the Himalayas!
The silk, spices, and gold made it worth it.

I would also assume the endemic hurricanes and tornado would also fuck them up as well as a relative lack of draft animals.

>>2188325
>Smart people create arable land themselves.
>Why don't the poor just buy more money?

>>2187577

Not really. The educated class is basically non-existent in numbers in colonial Africa and the colonizers used Europeans for pretty much every position in the government (and Indians in the case of Eastern British Africa), Portugal used mestizos to fill up spots White Proteus couldn't but then ounce settlers grew in number they slot their power because the lack of White Portuguese to do those potions was alleviated and a heritage heir achy was attached to mestizos.

French indoChina was different case since it's educations was much better then it was in colonial Africa because due to distance and the need of a ruling class France needed to educate local elites and a middle class to help with administration and the economy.

>>2187590
This cna be seen in "Colonial Exploitation and Economic Development
The Belgian Congo and the Netherlands Indies Compared"

>>2188546

>Why don't the poor just buy more money?

It isn't poverty, it's foresight. Rather than seeing the tangible benefits in the future of committing work and investment now into making where you live prosperous, you simply pick some shit off a tree and hope it grows back in time when you're hungry again. That's instant gratification and a hallmark of stupidity and low impulse control.

One of the main components of a successful society is a culture of saving and foresight. Africa never cared to create arable land. Africa never cared to try to domesticate her multitude of animal species. Africa sat around in the sun, fought, and ate what was available. Then they got cucked hard when people with a better vision arrived. Europeans turned Rhodesia into a breadbasket and it predictably went right back to shit after being ousted.

>>2187629
>while Africans were still living like hunter-gatherer subhumans

Great way to get anyone knowledgeable to instantly discard your post. By the time of early European contact only like a very few at best or so very small groups remained hunter-gathers and a good amount used to be non-hunter gatherers until they were pushed into doing so due to outside factors or just really shitty land that can't support a decent population then got beaten as other groups came in.

>>2188249
>Why hadnt natives developed that same knowledge when they lived in a subcontinent that is much like Europe except even bigger and better to good extent.
Because Europeans didn't develop their knowledge independently either?
Something it seems everybody misses is that the greatest civilizations in the world just so happened to all have reliable contact with one another, while the "inferior" civilizations pointed to in subsaharan africa, australia & pacific islands, and the americas did not have this contact
funny how that works out - its almost as if the spread of ideas from one culture to another allowed them all to develop at a much quicker pace

>>2188056
Japan had China you retard.

>>2188563
>Rather than seeing the tangible benefits in the future of committing work and investment now into making where you live prosperous, you simply pick some shit off a tree and hope it grows back in time when you're hungry again.
You realize that the shift to agriculture from hunting and gathering was only because of severe desperation and actually made people unhealthier and with worse lives (at least in the beginning), right?

>>2187997

honestly though dude, look at all the correlations.

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>>2188563
You can say that adding fertilizer (which in this scenario seems to be pulled out of your ass) will help in hindsight because you live in an advanced information era society where this is common knowledge. Think if you were a random tribal living on the Savannah, would you magically have a working knowledge of composting?

Also civilizations have never grown out of "vision". They are always outgrowths of what is needed and convenient at the time and it builds on itself.

>domesticate her multitude of animal species
Which ones. Also when cows reached the area they made extensive use of them

Also read pic related

>>2188590

I realize that harder circumstances build better people in the end, through time. And then once they achieve the technological means to master their situation and prosper, they take out everyone else who spent the past few 30,000 years relaxing in a hammock.

>>2188216
Overlap this with the tsetse fly map as well.

>>2186851
>strategic location

for what? Resources.

>African society

this is a misnomer, there does not exist a unified African culture.

>>2187576
>the parts of Asia that got conquered by Europe were already ahead of nearly all of Africa in terms of wealth and infrastructure

this is true.

we can ask why.

>>2186617
/thread

>>2188441
That's just an excuse. Asians trump whites in metric for education and intelligence. If you weren't a retard you'd know how much money parents and their government invest in education to get those results.

>>2187644
Thats mainly due to poverty factor. Huge population is still in poverty, it will increase to high 90s once the poverty factor has lowered far enough.

India has had high amounts of science development pre-industrial era. Their religion/philosophy is tied with math and numbers. On a literally autistic scale. When the greeks/romans couldn't count past couple thousands, Indians were already into 10^80000 infinities in terms of counting/mathematical calculation capabilities.

And better year, for the last 3/4 of the 2000 years, India/China dominated the economy/culture/science.

>>2188596
Too bad all of that is utterly irrelevant. The fact is, if the struggle for resources hadn't pushed some people towards agriculture, it's likely we would still be in the stone age.

>>2188595

Fertilization isn't the only way to maximize agricultural output. There is irrigation, crop rotation, and other more ancient methods.

>Also civilizations have never grown out of "vision". They are always outgrowths of what is needed and convenient at the time and it builds on itself.

I guess that depends on your definition of vision. I could build a shitty house now and deal with the consequences in winter or build a house that can survive the winter in a few months. There are different degrees of foresight involved. A lot of mathematical and scientific innovation wasn't simply done out of need, but vision and curiosity, which became extremely useful in coincidence. Colonizers weren't going to immediately profit from the opportunity cost of traveling all over the world and feeling out the best places to land and set up shop, but they had an idea that the future profit would outweigh it. There are different levels of this.

>Which ones

Any one that can provide labor or transport support. Ones that could potentially be used for meat. This is the part where you're going to say Europeans somehow had a monopoly on domesticable animals. That is false and you're operating from a position of hindsight. These animals would have been considered wild and harsh in their older forms, it was bred out of them. The same could have been done to African fauna.

>>2188146
>Middle East: dry and desertic

idiot

>China: Asian jungle

retard

>>2188617

>Utterly irrelevant

How? I thought we were talking about the differences in development with regards to geographical locations. That is perfectly relevant. People are a part of their geography.

>>2188287

oil is literally money.

>>2186613
The same reason why colonies where the native population was replaced by europeans are so successful, genetics

SA and Rhodesia had european tier standards of living for the europeans there during the apartheid, now they're literal hellzones of crime and poverty

>>2188625
>How? I thought we were talking about the differences in development with regards to geographical locations.
Not at all. Your whole post chain just extols the virtues of the agrarian man over the poor, savage, undeveloped hunter gatherer (who was far more well fed), as if his development didn't come from chance.

>>2188146
>retard: the post

>>2188596
>I realize that harder circumstances build better people in the end, through time.

Then Inuit and Aussie Abo's would be developed as fuck

>>2188577
>only like a very few at best or so very small groups remained hunter-gathers and a good amount used to be non-hunter gatherers until they were pushed into doing so due to outside factors

you sure are knowledgeable senpai

>>2188642

It was chance to begin with. What happened after was consequential. We are left with the results regardless, now we're talking about it.

>>2188651

Not necessarily. There are still confounding factors (length of time spent in environment, level of isolation, population bottlenecks, what constitutes a "harsher" environment than another).

Inuits may simply have picked a categorically shitty place to live in that offered no chance of human success, as it is arctic.

Abos still had a warmer environment and lush areas near the coasts.

>>2188621
>The same could have been done to African fauna.

But animals were domesticated in Africa. various Poultry, donkey's camels, cows (not sure if brought in or not ora mixture of brought in cow breeds from ages ago and local breeds),hedgehog, goats, sheep, Rat, dogs.

>>2188642
>as if his development didn't come from chance

you don't literally clear a field, sew seeds, harvest, mill the crop, and save the bounty for a bad year by chance.

>>2186796
Additionally, Asian states were usually stronger and more centralized even before Europeans arrived. Everyone marvels at Japans modernization, but Japan had an exceptionally modern state, with efficient taxation and a powerful middle class before the Meiji Restoration.

>>2188621
>but they had an idea that the future profit would outweigh it

It never did at all. Colonies were a net drain on the coffers. The trade deficit from the colonies to the motherland were heavily against the European nations that it cost THEM money because they had nothing export to the colonies that the colonies can use aside from a few things..

>>2188664
>We are left with the results regardless, now we're talking about it.
Then don't judge cultures by a standard they were never forced to meet. "smart people create arable land themselves" "picking fruit off a tree is laziness" "africa never cared to do all these things they had no reason to" are all awful, idiotic statements that come from a flawed basis.
>>2188668
>you don't literally clear a field, sew seeds, harvest, mill the crop, and save the bounty for a bad year by chance.
You don't get put into the situation where you have to do those things unless pressured to do so by outside forces.

>>2188664
Because what could be considered a hard environment is completely up to nonsense considering the reasoning behind it is adhoc as fuck.

>>2188668
That took years and years and years of trial and error

>>2188675
Evey centralized African state that existed got dismantled and/or torn apart so all social structure of a people/ empire was dead or permanently castrated and co-opted by the colonial state.

>>2188657
Not sure if you are mocking but those hunter gatherer populations were minisucle as hell because of the nature of H&G's lack off sustaining higher populations. They were in the big ocean of African demographics at that time a non-factor.

>>2188688
>outside forces

wtf are you talking about?

Do you understand what cognition is?

>>2188691

>years and years and years of trial and error
>random chance

>>2188691
>Because what could be considered a hard environment is completely up to nonsense considering the reasoning behind it is adhoc as fuck.

That's pretty dismissive. I think it would be clear at least that one "hard environment" isn't the same as another and would thus produce a different outcome.

>>2188744
>wtf are you talking about?
a better question is what the fuck you're talking about. what does cognition have to do with anything?

'chance' is the wrong word to use for the development of agriculture, but its not the wrong word for the people who ended up put in those situations that lead to it.

>>2188682

So are you of the mind that colonies were a positive or a negative for the endemic population. It's sounding like you think the colonial investment benefitted them more.

>>2188754
>I think it would be clear at least that one "hard environment" isn't the same as another and would thus produce a different outcome.
then what, exactly, defines a "hard environment"

>>2188688

>Then don't judge cultures by a standard they were never forced to meet. "smart people create arable land themselves" "picking fruit off a tree is laziness" "africa never cared to do all these things they had no reason to" are all awful, idiotic statements that come from a flawed basis.

No they aren't, they just make you mad. And I'm saying that the standards can't be the same because the people, their history, and the circumstances that produced them aren't the same. Which is why some places are shitty by another's standards.

>>2188768

I think the impact of a winter season is unmatched outside of areas that are sheer desert.

>>2188772
>No they aren't, they just make you mad.
damn, solid rebuttal
>And I'm saying that the standards can't be the same because the people, their history, and the circumstances that produced them aren't the same.
then why, exactly, are you using the same standards to judge these people?

>>2188783
So you're saying that a "hard environment" is either a place with a long winter season, or a sheer desert. Is that correct?

>>2188146
>Japan: mountainous archipelago. Gave birth to a center of culture and morality, an empire that conquered much of its neighbors, and more importantly, anime.
Opinion discarded

>>2188216
>no one can sustainably live in Botswana
>better than most of East Europe and richest in Africa

Hmmmm

>>2188800

those environments are generally accepted to be some of the harshest on earth, outside literally an active volcano.

>>2188852
You didn't answer the question.

>>2188783

But the Winters in Europe aren't even that bad. compared to those on the same latitude elsewhere in the world.

>>2188869
On top of that people have the experience and knowledge of their ancestors to work off of and improve and winter is pretty easy to mitigate once you get the hang of it. Not to mention that Winter isn't really the same in various parts Europe.

>>2188858

your question is literally a request for affirmation after a statement of fact. It is redundant and pedantic.

>>2188884
>a statement of fact.
Your statement was not a statement of fact, especially when you add "i think" before it. If you want to operate under the definition of a hard environment as a sheer desert or an area with an arctic climate, say so.

>>2188441
>considering Asians double white populations and still need to cheat off of them to get 2nd place in world relevancy and success.
>cheat off
Outcompete*

>>2188850
You actually can't live substantially with agriculture in Botswana. They literally are super prone to droughts and famines alongside shitty agriculture due to bad land. If they didn't have diamonds they' have o fall back on agriculture to develop and with that land lol good luck, most of it's population living off agriculture both sustenance and for profit have a lot of issues to deal with.

>>2188869

You can't even live in most of those places. Whatever living you can carve out is just survival.

>>2188858

That wasn't me. Yes, I consider those the two hardest environments, in general, for a human civilization to survive (thrive?) in. Precedent being that some human civilization managed to master it enough to form a larger society.

>>2188898

you are so stupid, it's hard to believe English is your first language.

>So you're saying that a "hard environment" is either a place with a long winter season, or a sheer desert.

statement of fact

>Is that correct?

stupid pointless question

>>2188786

>then why, exactly, are you using the same standards to judge these people?
>judge

This is your problem, you're interpreting my criticism as a personal attack. I suppose if you think me saying "civ X is more advanced because they had a harder time than civ Y to get where they are" is a statement of judgement then whatever, at this point it is impossible to talk to you as you're taking it personally and channeling emotion. This isn't a statement concerning any individual.

>>2188900

How's that doing for you with your babby economy per capita

>>2188919
>Rather than seeing the tangible benefits in the future of committing work and investment now into making where you live prosperous, you simply pick some shit off a tree and hope it grows back in time when you're hungry again. That's instant gratification and a hallmark of stupidity and low impulse control.
Tell me how this isn't a statement of judgement.
>Africa never cared to create arable land. Africa never cared to try to domesticate her multitude of animal species. Africa sat around in the sun, fought, and ate what was available. Then they got cucked hard when people with a better vision arrived.
Tell me also how this isn't a statement of judgement. keyword, of course, being "cared"

>>2188901
Then why is a map of "sustainable development" only accounting for agricultural capability?

>>2188909
You mean those other winter parts of the world.
Those parts till did trade but for many that were located far in the inland they had less trade routes to access as well as lack of access to rivers and bodies o water.

The fact that Europe is surrounded by large bodies of water really helps moderate the range of temperatures within the continent due to the flow of the currents.

>>2188909
well i'm glad we could clear that up
thank you

>>2188909
>Precedent being that some human civilization managed to master it enough to form a larger society.

You realize that less than two milennia ago those "people" were considered barbarians and lived so.

These "people" and their "civilizations" are barely even similar to those of today.

So did those "people" evolve extremely fast in 100 generations? Or did the "civilizations" they created somehow destine them for technological revolutions in the 1500's-onwards?

>>2188935
Because Botswana's lack of agriculture in the long run will hurt it since agriculture which is a great way to uplift people out of poverty is ham stringed by the environment as which effects food security as well.

>>2188922
Because when the other South/South-East Asia and other parts of the world develop a decent educated worker base you'll have to compete with those people for job and you won't have the factors that you did in the past that previously favored you and they will have thirst for success.

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>>2188947
the blame of everything onto the environment is just a leftist scapegoat

Zimbabwe is absolutely shit when it comes to agriculture and farming while 50 years ago it was the breadbasket of africa, and the only factor that has changed is the demographics

if all africans moved to europe and all europeans moved to africa, the europeans would still be far richer, wherever they go, compared to the africans

>>2189003
You do know that Southern Africa has a huge drought currently so all of southern Africa needs drought relief aid not excusing Mugabe's policy. Also Egypt had much better agriculture then Rhodesia.

Also Rhodesia's policy of neglecting it's Black farmers and refusing to give them the same treatment and help they gave to it's white farmers lowered it's output far below then it should have been.

>if all africans moved to europe and all europeans moved to africa, the europeans would still be far richer, wherever they go, compared to the africans

What the point of this shitty comparison that scenario makes no sense let alone the absurdity of it. It's like those autistic "what is the Axis won" things.

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>>2189102

Get a load of this goy

>geez, like, it doesn't even matter, like, i can't even, fucking nazis

I hope i get banned and you get attacked by darkies

>>2189117
Because that scenario is highly unrealistic and is a useless what-if.

You also did not even discuss my other points which contended with your post.

>>2189126
Like of course black farming is gonna be subpar to white farmers when they had none of the subsidies, investment or attention given to them vs white farmers as well as restriction where they can farm and which land they can purchase alongside the inability to pay laborers shit wages vs white farmers.

>>2188616
What are you even talking about. I do not think you have any idea of the progress the ancient greeks made on mathematics. Do you even know anything about the subject, or do you like talking out of your ass.

>>2188242
In our country you get welfare automatically when you have that low IQ, you cannot expect such people to do things like complex organisation, inventing, engineering, etc.

>>2189102
them not giving out gibmedats to the joggin' nogs was a good idea, it's smarter to invest in people with 99% efficiency than a peoples with 1%, egypt isn't sub-saharan and was still better under european rule

it was the breadbasket of rome, now it's another shithole

droughts happen everywhere, sub-saharans are unable to plan long term which is also why the european infrastructure that is left is crumbling

>>2188287
Qatar and the oil states are just like that old nog mansa musa, stumbles upon natural riches, creates absolutely nothing significant with it, and then crumbles back to its natural position as the resources deplete

even the dumbest cunt out there can win the lottery, but they don't have the genetical & cultural means to create inventions, technologies or ideas

>>2188285
the chinks only records IQ in biased areas in shanghai which would be like only recording the IQ's of the population onboard the ISS as the official USA IQ

>>2189208
>droughts happen everywhere
Yes but at vastly different durations and severity

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>>2189208
>droughts happen everywhere, sub-saharans are unable to plan long term which is also why the european infrastructure that is left is crumbling
What about the Fasil Ghebbi then?

It was built built by the Ethiopian Emperor Fasilides back when Ethiopia was a near world power and had status in the world.

>>2188442
cultural decadence ultimately means a mass immigration of lesser cultures/peoples as parasites that will suck the blood out of the host culture until they eventually seize power through numbers/opportunity

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1082767-society-has-three-stages-savagery-ascendance-decadence-the-great-rise

>>2188563
this goy gets it

>>2189262
how is this relevant to my post at all

>>2189228
Musa embarked on a large building program, raising mosques and madrasas in Timbuktu and Gao. Most notably, the ancient center of learning Sankore Madrasah (or University of Sankore) was constructed during his reign.

In Niani, Musa built the Hall of Audience, a building communicating by an interior door to the royal palace. It was "an admirable Monument", surmounted by a dome and adorned with arabesques of striking colours. The wooden window frames of an upper storey were plated with silver foil; those of a lower storey, with gold. Like the Great Mosque, a contemporaneous and grandiose structure in Timbuktu, the Hall was built of cut stone.

During this period, there was an advanced level of urban living in the major centers of the Mali. Sergio Domian, an Italian scholar of art and architecture, wrote of this period: "Thus was laid the foundation of an urban civilization. At the height of its power, Mali had at least 400 cities, and the interior of the Niger Delta was very densely populated."[23]

It is recorded that Mansa Musa traveled through the cities of Timbuktu and Gao on his way to Mecca, and made them a part of his empire when he returned around 1325. He brought architects from Andalusia, a region in Spain, and Cairo to build his grand palace in Timbuktu and the great Djinguereber Mosque that still stands today.[24]

Timbuktu soon became a center of trade, culture, and Islam; markets brought in merchants from Hausaland, Egypt, and other African kingdoms, a university was founded in the city (as well as in the Malian cities of Djenné and Ségou), and Islam was spread through the markets and university, making Timbuktu a new area for Islamic scholarship.[25] News of the Malian empire's city of wealth even traveled across the Mediterranean to southern Europe, where traders from Venice, Granada, and Genoa soon added Timbuktu to their maps to trade manufactured goods for gold.[26]

>>2189280
The University of Sankore in Timbuktu was restaffed under Musa's reign with jurists, astronomers, and mathematicians.[27] The university became a center of learning and culture, drawing Muslim scholars from around Africa and the Middle East to Timbuktu.

In 1330, the kingdom of Mossi invaded and conquered the city of Timbuktu. Gao had already been captured by Musa's general, and Musa quickly regained Timbuktu and built a rampart and stone fort, and placed a standing army to protect the city from future invaders.[28]

While Musa's palace has since vanished, the university and mosque still stand in Timbuktu today.

By the end of Mansa Musa's reign, the Sankoré University had been converted into a fully staffed University with the largest collections of books in Africa since the Library of Alexandria. The Sankoré University was capable of housing 25,000 students and had one of the largest libraries in the world with roughly 1,000,000 manuscripts.[29][30]

>>2189228

Mansa Musi did a fuckton with his wealth if you bothered to take you head out your ass and read.

>>2188329
Tbh those number are pretty misleading. Most of these immigrants are middle or upper class in their countries of origin. And they usually come here to make sure their kids receive a good education. It's really not that shocking that they score better than joe dickhead.

>>2189208
Egypt is a part of Africa you dumbshit, it's not sudden;ly not Africa when good and Africa when bad.

If you fail you invest in your population and help them out of course they are gonna have problems and issues. This is how the to develop a country properly and geta REAL tax base.

>>2189255

Most places that have crumbling infrastructure is due to the high cost of maintenance which the tax base has trouble supporting it.

>>2189255

The Ethiopians are largely the exception to the rule when people talk about sub-saharan Africans. That said, I'd say they also fall more into the cultural/political sphere of Arabia and the Mediterranean.

>>2189255
ethiopia has at best been a local power, a global power is one which can and has projected power globally, ethiopia didn't even project anywhere outside of its immiediate vicinity

they built what looks like a subpar castle, congrats on the statistical outlier while europe is riddled by superior castles every few miles

>>2189234
The other cities do pretty well so it just shows that Chinese with top tier education trumps most of Europe alongside other East Asian nations.

PIS score wise Poles are actually superior to most Euros since with the budget they have they still score pretty damn high.

>>2189277
it's impossible for a culture to be immortal, that doen't mean that some cultures and peoples are superior to others

>>2189301
There's that Ethiopian exceptionalism/not real SSA.

>>2189292
But remember population sample and socioeconomic have nothing to do with intelligence or sucess.

Only superior pure genetics.

>>2189280
what did they achieve from that, did they invent incredible machines like automobiles, airplanes or computers?

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>>2189301
>That said, I'd say they also fall more into the cultural/political sphere of Arabia and the Mediterranean.
Maybe so but you can also make the same argument for the Greeks as most of them would have considered themselves culturally to be part of Egypt/ME but they were European by blood.

>>2189310
>they built what looks like a subpar castle, congrats on the statistical outlier while europe is riddled by superior castles every few miles
They have castles as well but not a lot of ones made of stone (because there wasn't much).

>>2189321

You said Mansa Musi did nothing with his wealth and proved you wrong. Don't try to dodge the point you were wrong and btfo

>>2189298
the egyptian population isn't african, not the sub-saharan black which is now universally considered as an african atleast

>>2189321
hurrdurr did they do the exact thing it took tens of thousands of scientists to accomplish in a multitude of years 1000 years ago

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>>2188146

>Japanese """""""culture""""""" and """"""""morality""""""""

All they did was copy Chinese culture and then European culture later.

>>2189311
if china trumped europe we would see new amazing tech from it, so far all they've done is copy old european technology, created death traps in forms of escalators and elevators, and destroyed their nature so hard that their rivers are more radioactive than chernobyl

the only nation that comes close in asia is japan

>>2189328
building buildings isn't meaningful, so yes, he, just like the oil states have created nothing of importance (inventions/technology/ideas)

>>2189321
>>2189363
>moving goalposts

>>2189369
nothing of importance = nothing of importance

they created nothing, if I created the greatest building ever it would still mean nothing as it is just a building

>>2189332
Egypt's population is indigenous to Africa, they are Africans. Stop trying to De-Africanise Egypt you pleb.

>>2189384
and euro-americans are the indegenous population of america


egyptians aren't negroids, they're caucasoid semites

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>>2189382
>Buildings not being important
You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?

>>2189415
You are dealing with the people who post THIS >>2189402

>>2189317
>it's impossible for a culture to be immortal
then how can it be superior to other cultures until the end of time

>>2189402

of course Americans are the indigenous population of America you twat

>>2189415
tell me how building a sand castle on the beach is comparative to rocket technology

and how those buildings have contributed to the lives of the locals, compared to cars, planes, modern medicine

buildings don't contribute to the advancement of your society, the absolute max it can do is provide primitive functions like shelter which hardly signifies an advanced peoples or culture, inventions, ideas and technology does

>>2189425
not an a r g u m e n t

>>2189450
>how those buildings have contributed to the lives of the locals, compared to cars, planes, modern medicine
>buildings don't contribute to the advancement of your society
Well they provide the structural basis for advancing further in technology and are efficient in housing the large population densities general required for advanced civilization

>>2189428
because it's a race, and some cultures has provided more towards the human race while some haven't

>>2189472
>because it's a race
to what
what is the finish line

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>>2189450
lmao what the fuck is this? haha

>>2189462
even the most primitive cultures built, putting down the first block to build your tower while the kid next door already has 50000 more blocks onto his isn't comparative if all you've done during the past millions of years is that you built the absolute foundation of primitive societies

>>2189450
What is this supposed to be, Batman's cave? haha

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>>2189485
Forgot pic

>>2189485
>>2189476
nice samefagging laquisha

>>2189474
there's no finish line, whoever runs the farthest (contributes the most) wins

>>2189484
>even the most primitive cultures built
Which considering you types consistently state that Africans are incapable of even primitive society is a pretty good illustration of how full of shit you people are.

>>2189488
yes, buildings can be aesthetic, but they don't advance our race

>>2189499
africans can build primitive societies, but they can't do much more than what our ancestors already could do millions of years ago

>>2189508
Dude wtf? What is this faggot shit? lmao muh steel beams, nice one fags! Better luck next time when you make something that advances our race

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>>2189528
forgot pic

>>2189472
Did you just finish playing a Civ game?

>>2186617
>when the first post is also the best post

>>2189536

It legit feels like people here get their knowledge from video games.

>>2189322
That building was built by the French in the early 1900s.

Thanks whitey.

>>2189536
if you think that the abbo culture is equal to western culture or you think that you can't compare cultures because it would destroy your leftist ideology, never stop noggin'

>>2189318

It's just nuance my nigga, I'm not trying to paint sub saharan africans in broad strokes and the Ethiopians buck the trend in many cases.

If anything to me this validates the idea that culture and geography plays a larger role than race (though this also should account for the fact that an Ethiopian is racially incredibly different from, say, a Congolese).

>>2189547
It was rebuilt. The first one was smaller but it was the same.

>>2189563
We have no idea what the first one looked like. Based on the architectural prowess of africans, it was probably mudhut-tier.

>>2189560
>the Ethiopians buck the trend in many cases.

Other Africans did buck the trend as well as further insight into Africa was made, Ethiopia was just the first and eon people latch onto.

>>2189565
The style was according to the local Sudano-Sahelian style.

>>2189565
so it eroded due to lack of maintenance?

thanks for proving my point, whoever posted the sandcastle, that even the greatest african monuments are built by europeans as africans can't think forward

>>2189557
Because progress isn't a linear tree idiot to a finish line. How can a culture be "superior" if it will always fall over time from various issues asides from the much sperged about decay, it's like saying there's a perfect body and face. Didn't even say anything about Abbo's.

>>2189575
>so it eroded due to lack of maintenance?

>Ten years before René Caillié's visit, the Fulani leader Seku Amadu had launched his jihad and conquered the town. Seku Amadu appears to have disapproved of the existing mosque and allowed it to fall into disrepair. This would have been the building that Caillié saw. Seku Amadu had also closed all the small neighbourhood mosques. Between 1834 and 1836, Seku Amadu built a new mosque to the east of the existing mosque on the site of the former palace. The new mosque was a large, low building lacking any towers or ornamentation.

You really are so eager to jump straight to conclusions

>>2189519
>what our ancestors already could do millions of years ago
Humans are only about 200,000 years old....

>>2189557
Didn't answer the question

>>2189594
>allowed it to fall into disrepair

>>2189603
even erectus built/used primitive shelters

>>2189584
a culture produces a designated value

the only problem would be to actually give numerals to inventions and so on, but it's easy to just gloss over that culture a>culture b

>>2189618
Shifting goalposts. They were conquered and the guy built his own mosque. Why are you so anal about people just not using a building? Neglected buildings happen everywhere ffs why does this case makes your pooper peeved?

>>2189584
there's a perfect body and face

>>2189638
Because a>b comparison are stupid because anyone can set up criteria to support their favored side like France vs UK, Italy vs France and "impact" measurements can be complete memes.

Even then cultures aren't even a direct contunium and it's so easy for people to make bs claims on another culture or deny it. Not to mention your criteria heavily favours the early guys rather then the later ones since the for groups that started up alter it's impossible to surpass since the early group can piggy back off that to mitigate it.

>>2189646
No. there's a list of features that men like but how that's played out can widely vary and men have very different standards.

>>2189646
>there's a perfect body and face
No such thing.

>>2189670
if anything africans has had the most time to do something if the out of africa theory is correct

>>2189689
a body and face with the highest attraction (for its time) and the highest practical ability

either way search up the robot judge beauty contest

>>2189708
Are you really asking me to believe an AI can be an appropriate judge of human beauty? Not to mention how contested it was.

Human beauty is subjective for each us, by our genetics and our upbringing.

>>2189694
That's not how it works.

>>2189708
Didn't the robot judge mostly based on symmetry?

>>2186613
The former Asian colonies had actual, sizable feudal states before the Euros came

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>>2189646
>hurr durr I don't understand what subjectivity is
You know, these people may not have invented automobiles, but at least they are able to understand that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. Unlike you.

>>2189926
They did have that in Africa though or big political entities. Just that they were mashed up together and stripped of all power. I think in South East Asia local political structures still had influence at least and had power of some form

Positive influence from regional trade giants like Japan and China and Australia.

>>2188463
I didn't say that British colonies all turned out well, just that the colonies which have turned out well have all been British.

And Taiwan counts as a Japanese colony I guess

>>2187632
What about Mongolians?

>>2186796
>also no slave trade
wrong

>>2190858
Was the slave Industy in Asia extremely depopulatung once Euro powers entered it?

>>2188242
IQ is constantly going up due to the flynn effect. The average (100 IQ) has to be reset every so often to account for this. Given that africans didn't have a history of civilization, and civilization greatly contributes to IQ through education, I predict that the african IQ will stabilise at a lot higher than 75.

>>2191138
>africans didn't have a history of civilization,

They did have one.

>>2191161
They had some sparsely dispersed kingdoms and empires, but less than in europe and parts of asia.

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>>2191172
Because of geography I should add.

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>>2191172

there were impressive African states and cities, such as the mali/timbuktu, but part of the source of the problem of people thinking Africa was always mud huts and shit was the fact that Europeans engaged in a deliberate policy of eradicating the culture and history of the Africans they colonized. Partially this was done as a means to ensure domination by destroying the identity of their charges, but also to "prove" that they were dealing with uneducated savages who wasting the land and/or needed "help" from Europeans to civilize.

they did the same thing with the mesoamericans: anything they could get their hands on, they destroyed.

in the case of africans, going by the amount of idiotic shit thrown out about how Africans had no civilization, they were wildly successful in their efforts.

>>2188682
Profits from Dutch Indonesia used to constitute 30% of Netherlands' GDP though

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>>2191250

>>2191188
that area is still way bigger than entire europe

I don't get it.

People here fetishize their own 'superior' culture/race yet act like complete jackasses. Really gets the fucking noggin' joggin'

>>2191277
another EPIC argument there bro.. u just owned him heh heh

>>2188682
There were benefits other than financial though. So many colonies that were losing money but were kept because they controlled vital shipping lanes and provided coaling stations for ships. And were made up for by those few profitable colonies like India and South Africa.

>>2191299
WE WUZing it up about "impressive" states when they didn't do or create anything meaningful can only come from delusions or indoctrinations

>>2191277
>strawmanning

>>2191408
epic meme

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>>2191250
Oh absolutely, in and of itself africa still had a lot of kingdoms, I was probably being a bit reductionist.

>Europeans engaged in a deliberate policy of eradicating the culture and history of the Africans they colonized.
That's interesting, I haven't really heard much about this phenomenon. Could you provide any sources on it?

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzKejJIwieE&feature=youtu.be (ignore/mute the silly music)

>average iq has been climbing for a long time
>civilization has existed all the way back to Assyria and olde greece
>"muh iq mudafuca"

>>2186613
Inb4 illogical circuamblicution to avoid the obvious

>>2189519
Millions of years ago, hominids didn't have farming, complex tools, sedentary buildings, domesticated animals, ceramics, or metallurgy.

>>2189003
Zimbabwe has agricultural issues because of drought and the use of land as a political reward, not because "le niggers XD."

>>2188629
South African bourgeoisie live like rich people in the West do.

>>2191804

To be honest, I can't find the original sources at all on the stuff. Google turns up stuff that agrees with me but I don't trust as legitimate sources, and wikipedia's articles mostly focus on singular events rather than overall policy (there are genocides, razings, lootings, and "re-education" examples but nothing to link it all together as part of a deliberate policy).

It seems to be one of those very "in flux" areas of historical study, which means shit is polarized.

Did come across something else interesting, which might explain why everything is so vague or badly sourced regarding colonial government policy towards the natives: its embarrassing to talk about so a lot of governments don't really release information about it. https://news.vice.com/article/exclusive-the-uk-has-just-unearthed-new-top-secret-colonial-era-government-files

did find a few things tho
http://www.h-france.net/rude/rudevoliv/AldrichVol4.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
not really africa related but interesting: https://www.ushmm.org/confront-genocide/speakers-and-events/all-speakers-and-events/raphael-lemkins-history-of-genocide-and-colonialism
same: https://books.google.com/books?id=Q23LCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=colonialism+heritage+destruction&source=bl&ots=bgXRijPG58&sig=-7ViZgC259fzpPCBsbv4sZnVbP4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU2bKr7bHRAhXn6oMKHW45BT4Q6AEIPjAE#v=onepage&q=colonialism%20heritage%20destruction&f=false

all in all, it seems like you could reasonably conclude that there was destruction of heritage in Africa, and destruction of heritage was a common phenomenon with conquest in general, but calling it "deliberate policy in Africa" may be overstepping. There certainly was a sort of a self-promoting cycle going on with the colonizers: Africans had no real history and were savages, thus their art and such could be wiped away due it it having no value, thus proving to later historians that Africans indeed had no art or real civilization.

>>2191804
(cont.)

The article on France's colonial policies are a good example of another issue, which is just the context/narrative behind actions being up for debate. The French wanted to make their colonial subjects true Frenchmen, which was actually startlingly egalitatrian compared to things like the Congo Free State. But that meant that they had a policy of building French monuments, teaching French ways, and suppressing native culture and history. Such a thing could easily be read as a form of cultural genocide.

>>2194593
(cont. again)

Hell, even just trying to find sources on the practice of the Spanish destruction of Aztec codices and history is difficult; I'd have expected it to get its own wikipedia page, but it's just cosigned to a blurb. Maybe my google-fu is just more shit than I thought it was.

Then again, it's history that's being better understood, so maybe I'm overestimating how much this stuff gets covered. Hell, it's only been recently that people have clued into Columbus being a shitheel. Go figure.

>>2193000
Which is what, exactly?

So who was the best imperial overlord?

I'm tempted to say the British if only because so many of their colonies turned out quite well economically (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Hong Kong, Singapore, India)

>>2188463
The first two is mainly because of religion.

>>2195462
None because imperialism is wrong.

>>2186613
>that Japan
Wow, took me a while to realize what I was even looking at. Good on ya, nips.

>>2193000
>circuamblicution
Did you just have a stroke, anon?

>>2195462
>India turned out quite well
>people literally shit in the streets

>>2186613
they have good connections to europe and less hostile environment

>>2188146
This meme is perpetuated by autists that literally can't into systems and are looking at maps at a micro level.
Civilization isn't determined by geography, but by ecology, which is determined by and interrelated with climate and geography.
>Middle East
Used to be full of lush wetlands that gave rise to the first civilizations before becoming arid.
>Greece
Literally the best trade postion possible, access to the abundant natural resources of the ancient Mediterranean Sea
>China
Large and diverse encompassing almost every known biome on the planet
Lush wetlands productive in rice in the south gave rise to the beginnings of civilization
>Japan
Mountains archipelago, with lush forest inbetween the mountains and abundant resources in the sea, perfect spot for a cultural exchange and subsequent trade relationship with China
>Brazil
Huge areas of tropical rainforest so productive that complex civilizations never had the need to arise until european arbitration and exploitation forced them into being, doing good economically nowadays but i
Irreplaceable rainforest is being rapidly lost for worthless agricultural land.
>Venezuela
Same deal as Brazil but doing bad economically as a result of international trade relations
>Congo
Same deal as the other rich tropical countries, slave and ivory trade irreparably fucked up any chances of civilization.
>Russia
Home of a world superpower, at the mercy of the seasons and fucked by international relations

You are a reductionist, a primitive form of human thought. Which leaves you fundamentally incapable of understanding the emergence of complex socio-ecological systems.

>>2195672
I sure say lush a lot
> L U S H

>>2186613
>be civilised
>get conquered
>achieve independence
>return to being civilised

>be uncivilised
>get conquered
>achieve independence
>return to being uncivilised

>>2189234
but the average subhuman Americucks still have double digit iq

>>2188287
>Qatar is 65 IQ
No it's not.

Why did mods delete the correct answer?

>>2195541
How about the least worst imperial overlord?

Might be the Americans since they actually intended from a fairly early stage to let the Philippines become independent at some point.

>>2196799
Because fuck you.

>>2188056
>let me also remind you that 80% of Japanese territory is just mountains

Japan was hundreds of years late in development before european powers came and started trading with the japanese.
After this very signifcant and fast development that came from trade with the west Japan stopped being isolationist with the meiji restoration which allowed them to prosper during their imperial years.
when Japan was under american occupation a shit ton of money was pumped into japan from america which turned into the economic miracle that is modern Japan.

basically, this post does not debunk geography as a major factor in a countries development since Japan was hundreds of years behind the rest of the world before they got help from western powers through trade. Using Japan as an example of how geography is unimportant is ignorant to major historical factors to their success.

>>2195672
Why did Sub Sahara Africa get owned so badly by Europe and Arabs?

You're not gonna tell me there were no good lands in the huge continent, are you?

>>2199825
>If it's huge there has to be good land somewhere
Where's the premium land in siberia?

>>2189530
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>>2188329
>whites are second place guise
>posts image that shows that Nigerians, Ghanaians and Sierra Leoneans score better than English
seems that west africans should be #2 cuckboi

North Korea is way too big on that map

>>2188329
Yet chinks, nips and poos are all just conquered vassals of the european man, using the european inventions and technologies, and not the other way around

It's always the gooks that get sent away from their homeland to the european lands because their mother was eaten by an escalator which tries to romanticize asia, and when they go back they'll experience how primitive china really is.

>>2186613
People often say history is written by the victors and I think its right.

Even before western colonization and debilitation of the East, there was a lot of politicians, thinkers and leaders thinking about how to combat western imperialism.

In the middle east, people like al-afghani hoped that pan-arabism/pan-islamism could combat western imperialism and he even hoped that even East asia could embrace Islam so that Asia as a whole could become strong enough to tussle with Europe.

In Asia, the emperess Dowger is just one figure who tried to beat the west at their own game. She implimented sweeping reforms that can be considered progressive even now but ultimately it did fail.

What made Asians believe in themselves again and ignited the hope for Asians was the comprehensive defeat of the Russians by the Japanese.

The Japanese, despite their heinous crimes in the successive wars, did play an pivotal part in the recovery of Asia as a whole after the devastating blow Western Imperialism caused.

The Japanese victory against a world power gave hope to Asian leaders and thinkers across the globe that Asians could compete with the West.

In prosperity, most of Asia stagnated but the platform for success was prepared for many decades

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>>2195541
>imperialism is wrong

what's wrong with replacing faulty machines with the most effective machinery, wouldn't you switch yours out if the african or asian one had an output of 30% while the european one had an output of 99%?

>>2186613
Because most asians already had a bureaucracy and sense of territoriality that allowed them to set up effective national states on the European model.

>>2188249
No domesticatable animals, no cities, no advanced society.

>>2200406
Certainly helped that Asian children are brighter than white children.

Why does Russia have a smaller GDP than Canada, Brazil and Italy?

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>>2200690
name some notable inventions from the gooks from the past 100 years

>>2200726
>inventing shit when you can just steal it from America without paying for R&D

Who's the dipshit now?

>>2189508
>but they don't advance our race
yeah, guess the practical applications of physics engineering, mathematics and other subjects don't advance our race.

>>2186613
Africa was a playing ground between the USA and Soviet during the cold war

Asia was not

>>2200747(You)

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>>2200737
>try to copy everything from the west
>get inferior quality anyways
>get gassed by the smog because you didn't invest in this weeks airtube from russia
>get cancer because your rivers are more radioactive than chernobyl
>get eaten by an escalator or beheaded by an elevator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THTPNEcGkoQ

gooks, not even once

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>>2200746
does that mean that i'm a physics engineer and matheimatician if I built a mud hut

>>2200747
Vietnam, Afghanistan, South Korea, North Korea, Cambodia and Mongolia would like a world with you.

>>2200298
Must be the result of being sandwiched on all sides by major producers, the size just leaked over

>>2188503
>and run by a total nutjob dictator for decades during the 20th century.

That's a black people issue, not a climate one
And this place has been settled by nigger for milleniums without ever developping, so the last century is irrelevant

>>2201195
How is it a black people issue that guy was supported by the west.

>>2201353
Blacks fall easily to corruption

>>2201378
Not really it happens everywhere. It's not a black thing.

>>2201530
Yes it is

>>2201590
Eastern Europe and southern Europe is filled with corruption. So are many many states on the Asian continent. It's more an issue with the way the government is set up and lack of reliable accountability measures.

>>2200747
>Asia was not
The USA literally fought two shooting wars in Asia as a proxy war with the USSR

>>2195381
>>2195569
From circumambulate- to ceremoniously avoid.
Figure it out.

>>2188285
IQ is such a bunch of crap. you know the average value is supposed to be 100, right? something doesn't add up here...