/His approved Presidents

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Donald J. Trump

JIMMY CARTER DID NOTHING WRONG

>>2185565
He sucked ass

Coolidge

>>2185582
>JIMMY CARTER DID NOTHING
ftfy

>>2185578
sorry but
>Please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago.
can't be /ourguy/ due to off-topic

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name a more badass president?

inb4 Teddy (his rep was based on nothing but memes)

>>2186050
Andrew Jackson is an even bigger memelord than TR.
At least Teddy had GOAT tastes in rifles.

>>2185597
coolidge was okay

personally i liked polk better

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>>2186050
JUMBO
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>>2185565
I like Ike

Name your 5 favorite Presidents

Mine (in no particular order): Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Coolidge, Reagan

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>>2185565
Based Harry the Hiroshima Annihilator is the only correct answer.

Also ended segregation in the military and helped rebuild Europe and other boring stuff.

>>2186361
1. Abraham Lincoln (cliche I know, but he was a genuine great; sue me)
2. FDR (same)
3. Harry Truman (ridiculously underrated)
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Richard Nixon (don't let the memes fool you)

>>2186361
Eisenhower, Teddy, Nixon, Lincoln, and Big Dick Bill

>>2186370
>Richard Nixon (don't let the memes fool you)

He actually was a very adept politician and statesman, if it weren't for watergate he would be remembered as one of our better Presidents. His move with the Sino-Soviet split hasn't been bested since, no one has even come close

>>2186361
Washington
Jackson
Cleveland
Coolidge
Trump

>>2186361
FDR
Lincoln
Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Nixon

>>2185578
He's a con artist and you're a retard.

>>2185578
>making America pay for le epic wall
yeah he's the greatest con-artist of our time

>>2187075
I don't fucking care if we pay for it, it's still a huge positive overall. We'll pay ourselves back with welfare dollars saved eventually. And with fewer democrat social spending votes.

>>2187097
It's looking more and more like a cyclone fence each day though

>>2186361
Washington
Polk
Lincoln
FDR
Truman

>>2187105
Source?

>>2187097
fucking kek. how naive are you? there's already a huge fence there and any additional construction will just become a money-churner for corrupt politicians and "construction" companies

>>2187319
??? Millions are crossing illegally, the fence is obviously shit. I'd be more in favor of shoot trespassers on sight legislation, but as long as feelfags have the vote a wall will do.

>>2187328
most illegals are here from visa overstay and not crossing the border

Appointing Volcker was by far his biggest mistake. He was ahead of his time on our addiction to fossil fuels, though.

>>2185565
>/His

>>2185565
Truman
Reagan
FDR

>>2187377
40% of Illegals cross through the fence border, 40% is a lot of people to stop.

>>2187328
>millions are crossing illegally

That's plainly false. There are millions already in the country and that's from decades of immigration.

You're telling me 10-20% of the entire illegal immigrant population is coming here at a time? Bullshit.

Illegal immigrAtion is decreasing, except for one recent spike out of El Salvador due to an increase in drug violence. Most of them have been sent back because Obama declared that the problems weren't qualifying of refugee status.

There are thousands of illegal immigrants coming in, not millions. And the majority of them come legally on work visas and then never leave. If you seriously want to roadblock illegals, do a better job of keep track of visa workers.

A grand wall is nothing but a gigantic waste of money. Update a few places in the fence that we currently have, that's all we need.

And give a pathway to citizenship for those who already pay taxes or who wish to serve in the military.

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Perón

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>>2185565
Fillmore was literally the best President in American history. Prove me wrong faggots.

>>2186366
>Ended segregation int he military
Learn something new about him everyday.

>>2186050

Knew this would be in the first 10 before I oepned the thread.

>>2186361
Andrew Jackson
Teddy Roosevelt
George Washington
Harry Truman
Donald Trump

>>2186361
>>2186428
>>2188269
These

>>2186045
Some posts are just on the subject of the board they're being posted on, like what are some /his/ approved presidents

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>>2188261
>And the majority of them come legally on work visas and then never leave.

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/ourguy/

>>2186366
Also took a hard line against commies and saved South Korea, thus being the founding father of Kpop

>>2188282
holy shit he's literally a plumper, white haired alec baldwin

>>2188157
>fdr
>literal socialist that extended the depression

As a non american I will make my list disregarding internal policy and only looking at their foreign relations.
1.Eisenhower
2.Nixon (and Ford) but just because Henry Kissinger
3.Truman
4.George Bush Sr.
5.Wilson (good Idea, really bad attempt)

Wilson for examle is the most underrated one, the ideas of FDR on the post war international regime are based on a bettered version of Wilson's work.

>>2191219
Wilson campaigned specifically on the US staying out of Europe's war, then decides to enter the war when he's elected.

/his/ approved presidents should be presidents who actually gave a fuck and weren't dumbfucks like 3 of our last 6


therefore:

jfk
lbj
fdr
clinton
ford
eisenhower
truman
obama
washington
lincoln

>>2191235
>obama
>creates isis
>plunges middle east into further chaos
>doubled federal debt
>currently having a hissy fit and threatening ww3 because muh legacy

>lincoln
>literally starts a war with the south over muh union

>>2191235
Also Bill Clinton set the ground work for the 2001-2007 housing bubble and subsequent recession in 2008, though Bush 2 is just as equally to blame for not recognizing it and stopping it sooner.

>>2191242
>creates ISIS
Wrong.

>plunges middle east into further chaos
Wrong.

>doubled federal debt
Necessary.

>Currently having a hissy fit
Are you implying leashing Israel, who have actually caused further chaos in the middle east, is a bad thing?

The smartest piece of policy to come out in quite some time.

Or retaliating against Russian cyber attacks?

>>2187075
He's been saying since day one that the US would be REIMBURSED

>>2191230
I know, but again, I specified I was only looking at their work in international relations.

>>2191253
no he hasnt you dumb bitch
he's changing his tone as usual so when he adds a trillion in worthless debt overnight, his braindead followers will actually believe it. all while mexico laughs their asses off and mexican gangs and cartels get more powerful and innovative

>>2191248
The US created Al-Queda during the cold war and then deposed Saddam Hussein, thus creating a power vacuum that was easy for the group that became ISIS out of Al-Queda to take over the region.

You don't count assassinating numerous Middle Eastern rulers as creating chaos, or what he's trying to do in Syria currently?

https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/foreign-policy/us-now-fighting-virtually-every-side-syrias-4-sided-civil-war/

His stimulus and ramming down PPACA was not necessary.

There has been no evidence presented for the case that Russia interfered in any significant fashion with the US presidential election, just like the lead up to the 2002 invasion of Iraq. Even if it was Russia that obtained the DNC and Podesta data, that doesn't change the content of the emails.

I don't care about Israel.

>>2191262
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

>>2191264
>libertarianinstitute.org
>credible source

jesus christ, he literally made his """plans""" like a high schooler on powerpoint. absolutely zero sources for all the shit he claims happens and will work

i think ill trust the nobel leaureates over the cheetoh man

>>2191248
Obama didn't create ISIS, but he knew of their actions and potential havoc they could create. Yet he had an election to run (even though he had it in the bag) and kept them on the downlow for as long as possible.

His office helped propagate the "revolutions" through out northern Africa and into the ME. Most were successful, but I still don't think we should be interfering with any nation.

I do like how he doesn't treat Isreal like some godly ally. They contribute fuck all when it comes to global issues. If anything they add more fuel to the flames to promote their "we are always the victims!"

Every president is going to increase the debt because most Americans are too dumb to realize what's actually going on. So who ever tries to actually fix it will only look like an idiot who destroyed everything. Their "legacy" will be smeared forever.

>>2191264
Which had nothing to do with Obama which is why it's silly to say he created ISIS. ISIS was in the making long before Obama.

No, enforcing a peace agreement to pull civilians out of the crossfire isn't inspiring chaos in Syria. Syria has been hell for a while now, regardless of Obama's policy. He shouldn't have gotten involved with the rebels, but that was changed after Hillary left.

>there has been no evidence
Except literally every intelligence agency in the country saying we know with almost 100% certainty that Russia was behind it, the individuals who ordered it, private communication between Russian officials congratulating themselves for it, and the servers that were used. It's impact on the election is unknowable but we do know Russia was behind it.

It doesn't change the content of the email but the flip side of that is true as well. It doesn't matter who or what they hacked. The fact of the matter is a foreign country engaged in a cyber attack on the United States and retaliation is necessary.

Faggots this is becoming /pol/. Stay on topic or fuck off.

>>2191280
Honestly, IF the Russians did the hacking, we should be thanking them for exposing Hillary and the DNC

>>2191294
That sets a shit precedence. Having a rabid dog isn't okay because it's biting people you don't like. It's eventually going to bite you too.

The DNC's corruption being exposed is a good thing. Letting Russia get away with it without consequence is a terrible idea and is inviting more of the same in the future.

>>2191288
>people don't agree with me
>damn /pol/tards

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>>2191303
>discussion of current politics
>not on the board for discussion of current politics

Are you actually retarded?

>>2191298
We don't even know if it was Russia though

My bet is Seth Rich

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>>2191288
you can fuck off back to plebbit you untermench

>>2191303
Donald isn't history yet

Come back in 25 years

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>>2188157
>FDR
>Reagan
One and only m8.
>>2191193
See pic related.

>>2191310
>we don't even know if it was russia though

are you still in 2016? the cia and fbi have been in agreement saying russia did it and putin knew about it and made the calls

>>2191692
Nah clearly Trump knows better.

>>2185578
Incompetent protectionist con-artist who will blow up the US budget and who pandered to the scum of society and managed to get elected despite losing the popular vote thanks to some help from his master Putin.

Has the Republic ever been more cucked?

>>2191692
Oh yeah, all those IP address, right? The ones that connect to Tor and Yahoo? And don't forget the malware they've been using for a while, it's not as if half of Europe has it or as if they didn't accidentally leak the code.

I mean, it's unequivocally Russia amirite? The DNI NEVER makes mistakes or misrepresents information, so it's all fine I'm sure.

>>2187319
There is less than three hundred miles of fence. Trump and Ryan are looking into funding a double layer wall. Which may or may not be reimbursed by Mexico.

Gotta say, its quite funny to watch the transition from

>He's not going to build the wall!
to
>Y-y-yeah well, Mexico won't pay for it!

>>2186376
Fucking this. Once the hippies are gone, people will look back at Nixon and Kissinger the way we look at Bismarck

>>2191219
>Wilson
>Underrated
Not really, until recently Wilson was very highly regarded. Lately people have started to dislike him because

>He turned America into the world police (Isolationists)
>He started the federal reserve (gold bugs)
>He was absurdly racist, even by the standards of the time (BLM)

Washington
Van Buren
Tyler
Hayes
Arthur
Cleveland
Harding
Coolidge

And I don't know maybe Eisenhower? But probably not. The modern presidential model makes good presidents basically impossible. If Trump does something with the Fed he has a shot at greatness too.


Jefferson and Reagan had good ideas but proved to be quite hypocritical when they achieved the office

>>2192030
He also hated the constitution and hated individual freedome. Instead he prefered Hegel-like worship of a powerful state. He was even called the only proto-fascist president. Basically a guy with a vision. His engineering after WWI proved to be very dangerous.

>>2191692
You mean Grizzly Steppe? The report with the disclaimer that refuses to verify that it's actually true?

Or the report from yesterday, where they list all the reasons Russia had a motivation to do it, but fail to provide any actual proof

Let's be clear, Russia probably was behind some of the leaks, though I believe Assange when he says some were insiders. But you'll need a damn sight more than "Well Putin dislikes Clinton" before I start to trust the CI fucking A.

>>2191235
>Obama
Get the fuck out of here, he'll be in the top twenty, unless that legacy he keeps banging on about ends up shitty, then he's bottom quarter

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>>2186050

>>2192076
Presidents should be ranked according to their achievements in peace, liberty and prosperity not meme badassery. Jackson is upper mid-tier.

>>2192041
Let's not forget that he embodied the absolute worst of Protestants in politics. He was convinced that everything he did was part of God's plan, and his opponents were tools if there devil

>>2186361
Teddy, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton,

Donald John "The Donald" #RealDonaldTrump Trump

>Built the Great Wall of America and made Mexico pay for it
>Got rid of all the illegal immigrants who rape and murder our women
>Ended #BlackLivesMatter
>Lowered crime rates
>Gave jobs to all Americans
>Defeated China in World War III
>Got rid of all the Muslims
>Made America become best friends with Russia
>Made anime real

>>2186361
Teddy Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
James Monroe
James K. Polk
Franklin Roosevelt

In no particular order
FDR
LBJ
Lincoln
Washington
Teddy

>>2187319
>fucking kek. how naive are you? there's already a huge fence there...

Hey guys! Don't replace the screen door on the submarine with a hatch, something is there already! Oh, there is water pouring in? At least not ALL of it is flooding our submarine.

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>>2186223
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG KIDDO

>>2186428
>>2188371
>Trump
>not even inaugurated yet

come the fuck on you stupid niggers

>>2187328
>feelfags
>when your entire 'shoot muh illegals' is based on feels just as much if not more

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gets the most shit for no reason

>>2186361
Lincoln, FDR, TR, Washington, Jefferson
Doris Kearns Goodwin and David McCullough are two authors everyone here needs to read the works of.

>>2192030
he caused WW2

>>2187328
Acktually, net migration is negative.

>>2192475
Not for no reason. His interventionism was what made the Great Depression great. Coolidge said about him "That man has offered me unsolicited advice every day for six years, all of it bad." Later FDR contined his destructive reforms.

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>>2190886
>This is the face of a man who basiclly saved the country if not the world possibly from nuclear holocaust
He had some of the best quotes too. Short simple and impactful.

>>2192546
How? He was the one who endangered everyone because of his lack of experience and constant blunders.

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>>2191242
>Obama Creates ISIS
Thats False. It was a by-product from W. Bush's messy Iraq invasion which allowed groups such as ISIS to thrive and prosper in the chaos. Obama is responsible for pulling the troops out of Iraq which gave ISIS more breathing room to gain power at that time. BUT that was because Obama had no choice to withdraw because of W. Bush signing the "U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
The fault is on W. Bush.

In hindsight had Obama pushed harder to persuade to convince (and succeeded) to leave the troops in Iraq and gotten time to establish more stability with an occupying force, Isis might of been killed off sooner.

>>2192555
Hm reminds me of another president, rhymes with Karrak Soshama.

>>2192704
To our knowledge Obama doesn't sleep around. Especially not with foreign spies.

>>2191692
I wouldn't trust the CIA to tell me what time it is

FBI's still kind of shifty too, at least while Comey is still there

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>>2192696

Obama took office on the back of public dissatisfaction with the war. Turning heel and then arguing as to why we need to be there longer may have been the right thing to do, but would have only hampered his presidency even further. These last 4 years have really shown how bitter things can get when there's no sense of a shared destiny between the parties.

>>2185578
>hasn't even begun
>looking at his cabinet picks, he is going back on his populist image
Gonna be worse than Bush desu

I just realized that I know absolutely nothing about Gerald Ford. Tell me about him.

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>>2188157
>Reagan and FDR together
What the fuck? Reagan is literally anti-FDR. Explain yourself

>>2192871
His sole job was to clean up the mess left by Nixon.

He did an okay job, but his public image was that of a klutz who was better suited to professional golfing than to presidenting.

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>>2191999
Trips confirm, Democrats BTFO.

>>2192555
Yeah this, even just with the Cuban Missile Crisis he's hugely overrated. To be honest, I think the only reason people like him so much is because he got shot. Before that he was getting shit on for being making mistakes, playing political with the crisis, basically getting lucky.

>>2192546
He's the one who drove us to the brink of war because he and his administration were getting railed for not being proactive enough with the Soviets and they wanted to show strength. Yes he resolved the crisis, but by essentially doing what Stevenson wanted him to do from the start, AFTER he instituted that lovely "quarantine".

>>2192894
Funny that Harding was the president for about as much as JFK, left a far more impressive legacy and yet he's still supposed to be "the worst" and JFK among the best (even if nobody can mention any of his accomplishments other than "cool speeches").

>>2192546
>Short simple and impactful.
I respect this man too much to make an assassination joke

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>>2191280
>Trusting the secret society organizations like CIA/NSA that lied under oath saying "No we are not collecting American citizens emails, phone calls, private records ETC illegally"
>Trusting the same Organizations responsible for the MKultra project deaths on American citizens
>Trusting the CIA after their whole ideology war idea that got America into Vietnam for no reason and caused such a waste of life
>Trusting the CIA who fucked up the bay of pigs because JFK put too much trust in them

Trump has the right idea to be weary of the CIA.
Its like the story about the boy who cried wolf.
Only 20% of the American population really trusts the federal government so it is really no surprise that citizens are having second thoughts about what the CIA is saying is true.

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>>2192704
>12 year senator Barack Obama
>Inexperienced

>Trump
> MASTER RACE GOD EMPEROR I WANT TO LICK THE CUM OFF HIS BOOTS

>>2192871
He didn't really do anything. He wasn't even elected.

He's really only famous for falling down stairs a few times.

>>2192932
>Daily reminder that Trump and Hillary both want to bring Snowden home.

Why are people talking about trump, obama and bush in this thread and why arent they banned?

>>2191280
>Except literally every intelligence agency in the country saying we know with almost 100% certainty that Russia was behind it, the individuals who ordered it
That's not even true and you know it.

>private communication between Russian officials congratulating themselves for it,
Imma need a source on that

>the servers that were used.
Yahoo and Tor server IPs aren't evidence of Russian hacking mate.

>It's impact on the election is unknowable but we do know Russia was behind it.
It's pretty damn knowable moron, especially since the one thing we DO know is that Russia didn't hack or change the actual results. Beyond that, it's fairly easily to go and pulling polling data on who decided who to vote for when. Fuck, you can even just do a poll asking if the DNC emails influenced you enough to change your vote.

>It doesn't change the content of the email but the flip side of that is true as well.
Emails*

>It doesn't matter who or what they hacked.
Actually it does. If they ONLY targeted a single group, which we know they didn't, then I'd agree. What I do agree with is that who they released information about it what "doesn't matter".

>The fact of the matter is a foreign country engaged in a cyber attack on the United States
Except they didn't, not exactly. The DNC isn't the United States.

>retaliation is necessary.
I agree, once we actually get proper information on who did. Maybe the Fed has that information, but they sure as shit aren't sharing it. And expelling Russians is some cold war era retardation, you're literally expelling known irl agents in response to a digital act.

>>2192932
>Chastises the "left" for changing their opinion
>But not the "right" for doing the same
Just two years ago the right wanted to hang Assange.

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>>2192868
This.

I can understand why Dems are so butthurt about him winning: he's going to take all the credit for single-handedly destroying every ounce of credibility the Republic party has, something they've been wanting to do for the past century.

>>2185578

I am disappointed in the American minority that voted for this conning fucking retard. If you voted for him because you were manipulated by the "well we can't have Hillary because of ____" then I have sympathy and sort of understand, but to actually support this fucking idiot and want him because you want him to be president then you have to be a special kind of moron.

>>2193012
If the GOP had credibility that could be destroyed, I think the combination of the global war on terror and the great recession would have done it.

>>2193005

The difference is that the Right has been expected to do that by the culture. They don't pretend they are something they are not. Yet, our culture views the Left differently.

As a Russian I can say, that Putin had all reasons to support Trump. Russia is fucked up, we're in deep crisis and Trump can become for a Putin a savior of his stupid anti-western policies, where he became the president of isolated country. And dening that Putin did it won't make prestinge to the Trump at all.

>>2193020
>You were manipulated!
>You're a moron!

>>2193020
the craziest thing about it is the people who supported him before he even won the nomination, the people who supported from day 1

>>2193026

I don't think that's true at all. Clearly there's a large portion of the population who believes the Left are lying, cheating, incompetent bureaucrats, including many Democrats. It seems like you along with many have a really skewed view of culture because of our dysfunctional cultural delivery systems. TV is a mess and the internet is so disordered that lies can be presented as fact unchallenged just due to the immense volume of content.

>>2193046

There was so much shit the average person probably didn't know about any bit of truth but instead went with what they heard or were told via media. Thanks to our 24/7 news cycle, that was shitty too. Everyone was accusing each other of being anti-opponent or whatever and it just led to a bunch of retard shit.

If you voted for him based on lies about Hillary or anything then I can seriously sympathise and understand.

Trump supporters for the sake of supporting Trump are just legitimately deplorable morons though.

Have you seen his Twitter? He's a fucking retard.

>>2193050

To be fair, look at the other GOP candidates. Cruz is a cruel shortsighted spineless guy aping politicians who knew how to think big on foreign policy, Carson has 0 charisma and seems incredibly ignorant on wide ranges of issues, Bush was just pushed onto that stage and has no business there, Rubio was supposed to be the ideological future of the party and was reduced to fearmongering about Mexicans and talking about Trump's dick, Kasich would have resulted in the most boring presidential election of the century, and everyone else had no chance.

>>2193076
So literally your argument is still:

>You were manipulated!
>You're a moron!
?

>>2193098

No, if you were manipulated by the media/others against Hillary and voted for Trump out of a perceived desperation I can understand. If you were a die-hard Trump supporter from the beginning and voted for him thinking he would actually fulfill anything he said or would be a good leader then you are a moron.

>>2193109
I voted for Trump because it meant eight years of liberals like yourself whining chronically about how everyone who disagrees with their oh-so-sophisticated views is just a redneck or a racist or a /pol/ or whatever grade school insult you pull out of your derrière.

>>2193120

I am a redneck from rural NC. You're an idiot.

>>2193120
Republican from Oklahoma here, you're basically the reason the media portrays Republican voters as idiots.

>>2193120

Not sure what kind of a message it sends to elect a dummy just to spit in the face of incompetent but less retarded people

>>2193152
>>2193139
>>2193127
Sockpuppet harder, shillary.

>inb4 paint.NET screencaps that "prove" clinton deserved to win god-emperorship of the universe

>>2186370
This is the official /his/ list

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>>2193159

3/10, you can do better if you don't immediately deflect to Clinton. Make it seem like you support Trump's ideas because you said earlier that you had supported him from the beginning.

>>2193109
So, AGAIN, your argument is:

>You were manipulated!
>You're a moron!

How about instead of being the exact kind of shitty person that's causing the divisiveness that created this exact environment.

Honestly, not once has anyone I've known derided a person for voting Clinton or literally ANYONE ELSE, but god forbid you say you voted Trump. Then you become a racist/bigot/rape endorsing/idiot who doesn't know any better.

>>2193127
>>2193152
>>2193152

The point made is that a significant and large section of the population is deriding other Americans who don't happen to share their beliefs or who didn't choose the same. It's insanely condescending, and yet those people act as if the cynical, divisive, bullshit that's happening isn't their fault. Trump's not great, but holy fucking shit, when people keep being insulted and called [insert flavor of the hour] by a specific group, of course they're going to go for the other.

And for the record, that man is not the me (the original guy).

>>2193159
Fuck off retard, your autism is showing.

>>2193160
Rather the official /his/ hit list. Shit tier presidents.

>>2193165
not an argument

continue shouting racist at everyone you personally dislike, I'm sure it'll help you at the booth in 2020 :)))

>>2193166
>voting for a candidate because liberals hurt your feelings
>not voting for a candidate based on economics

Economics is the only issue that matters.

Everything else is meaningless.

>>2193175
>Economics is the only issue that matters

So you voted for Trump, yes?


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>>2193166

I understand the emotion behind it, but uniting behind a transparently ideologically bankrupt egomaniac as a statement seems designed to create a reaction more destructive than the inciting action itself. I don't blame people personally for supporting Trump, but I have to wonder how smart they can really be if they're disregarding the now-scores of red flags about Trump while acting like they're vigorous constitutional defenders. I never tell people not to vote for Trump because they're a racist otherwise, but seriously, his policy ideas are just stupid.

>>2193120
>everyone who supports trump is either redneck or racist or /pol/
Yep, pretty much.

>>2193176
I don't like the idea of more deficit spending or financial deregulation, and Trumps economic plan involves both of those.

You'd be right that a lot of liberals are total tools, but at the end of the day it's all about the money. We can't exactly go around saving the free world and pay for it with pixie dust and IOUs.

>>2193182
I think a lot of it is just

>if I'm going down, I'm taking you bastards with me

to the political class

>>2193174

The smileys don't help either. This sort of stuff might work on Twitter, but c'mon.

>>2193183
>Clinton
>not deficit spending

lmao she literally campaigned on being obama 2 but with vagina

lol just act like >>2193182 at least you're honest that way and admit you voted for clinton entirely on emotional factors and nothing to do with the economy you understand little about

>>2193175
>actually implying Clinton had good economic policies

>Everything else is meaningless.
Willing to bet most of the country would disagree.

>>2193188
>lol just act like >>2193182 (You) at least you're honest that way and admit you voted for clinton entirely on emotional factors and nothing to do with the economy you understand little about
I'm not american. There's nothing emotional about my post either, your implication is descriptive and i agree.

>>2193188
Anon already proved he's an idiot who can only think and speak in memes, just let him go.

>>2193194
Meant for >>2193192

>>2193193
Well, Clinton won the popular vote by 2.4 million.

You shouldn't ignore those people, if you piss them off enough they'll actually show up to senate elections.

>>2193181
>I understand the emotion behind it
You clearly don't dude, not if you keep saying that people who support him are stupid. Even god damned then, you're saying they're stupid because his policies are stupid. Who the hell are you to act as an expert of policy? What, you think Clinton had better policies? Because that;s fine if you do, but at least give an argument for why.

>>2193197
>Well, Clinton won the popular vote by 2.4 million.
Means absolutely nothing for anything except sore losers. Our system was designed so it would stop some state like California from dominating the election.

>>2193207
Well, I was referring specifically to your assertion that most of the country would disagree.

You'd be wrong. The 2007 financial crisis produced a switch in US politics. The Democrats are now viewed as the better party for economics by a majority of the population.

This is a tough pill to swallow, but the silent majority is now Democrat. Republicans are more consistent voters, and they can only govern so long as Democrats are willing to stay out of the polling booth during midterm elections.

>>2193215
t. polling sexpert

Your tears will be delicious in 2020 too.

>>2193197
Except for the fact I'm not saying Trump voters are the only ones like that. You have almost every minority overwhelmingly in support of Dems because of butthurt.

>>2193215
Not me bro, and you're still wrong.
> the silent majority is now Democrat
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Literally fucking no

>>2193218
Nigga, I have no idea what's going to happen.

I'm 90% sure that neither Trump or Hillary will see it coming, but other than that, I have no idea whatsoever.

But yeah, do you have anything to say other than memes? I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just laying my cards on the table.

>>2193219
See, you can say no, but this is age old shit.

It's the reason why Republican candidates pray for rain on election day.

Poorfags vote Democrat, and poorfags are less consistent voters. The voting segments that lean Democrat almost universally tend to vote less often than Republicans.

If it had rained in Illinois on election day 1960, Nixon would have beaten Kennedy.

>>2193237
Yes yes you were always in charge of everyone's life and every democrat should be god-emperor of the planet, no election necessary so mean Mr. Rain doesn't ruin your parade and God is a democrat.

lol >this is what clinton voters are telling themselves now

>>2193205

Not once in that statement did I call his supporters stupid. I'm questioning their weighting of factors and attributing a disproportionate weight to that dissatisfaction with the status quo. Dissatisfaction is fine, but when it comes at the cost of the way Trump acts it's not worth it by a mile. I'm not acting as an expert of policy, just using some good old common sense! Clinton is a terrible fucking candidate as well as Trump, and you'd never see me defending her policy unless our views aligned. There are multiple layers to the many ways Trump is not promising, from the fact that he's openly admitted most of his campaign rhetoric was completely empty to the haphazard way he's handled foreign diplomacy on fucking Twitter (though I will say he's an expert media manipulator who abuses the fuck out of Twitter to give himself on-demand smokescreens). Your anger and projection is showing here, and that's the real shame- the fact that there are people like you're talking about who really don't know the first thing about policy and yet shame people for their political views has created an environment where disapproval of Trump leads to accusations of being on "the other team".

>>2193237
>All these unproven claims
k

>>2193243
I ask again, do you have anything to share other than memes?

>>2193243
Honestly, how old are you?

>>2193249
Well, blacks vote less often than whites.

Hispanics vote less often than whites.

Young people vote less often than old people.

Poor people vote less often than rich people.

Blacks, hispanics, young people, and poor people are all Democrat leaning constituencies.

I don't like Democrats or Republicans, I'm just saying that the Trump administration will have to keep this in mind when they create policy. Too far to the left and they lose their base, too far to the right and they could increase voter turnout in the 2018 midterms.

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>>2193250
>>2193259
>fields no argument
>gets no argument in return
>resorts to insults

8 years of eternal lib whining

>WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE CAN'T WIN EVERY SINGLE ELECTION ON EAAARRTHHH WHY ISN'T EVERYTHING JUST A SINGLE PARTY DICTATORSHIP

This election has done nothing but demonstrate eloquently how anti-democracy the "New Left" and their support base has truly become.

>>2193273
You seem to be unable to post or think about anything that isn't some retarded /pol/ meme anon. I wasn't discussing with you, i legit want to know how old someone who posts like this is.

>>2193273
Nigger, do you think I haven't been laughing my ass off the last two months?

>SJWs literally rolling on the floor bawling at Clinton HQ
>people flooding to safe spaces
>women getting kicked out of the infantry
>Ashton Carter getting replaced with Mad Dog Mattis
>DC vs. Heller and Warren vs. DC getting reaffirmed forever
>national CC reciprocity
>silencers off the NFA
>pre-sequestration military funding

Nothing would bring me more joy than the death of the new left at the hands of the alt right.

>>2193245
>Not once in that statement did I call his supporters stupid.
>but I have to wonder how smart they can really be
At the very least you implied it, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I assumed you were the original poster I was replying to given that no one else was taking about why really.

Honestly most of the rest I can barely understand, like this sentence:

"There are multiple layers to the many ways Trump is not promising, from the fact that he's openly admitted most of his campaign rhetoric was completely empty to the haphazard way he's handled foreign diplomacy on fucking Twitter (though I will say he's an expert media manipulator who abuses the fuck out of Twitter to give himself on-demand smokescreens)."

I have no real idea what you're trying to say mate, please retype this entire reply. I'll try to reply to this though.

>the fact that there are people like you're talking about who really don't know the first thing about policy
I know more about policy than you'd think, and you again act as if you're in a position of authority in that regard.

>yet shame people for their political views has created an environment where disapproval of Trump leads to accusations of being on "the other team".
Again, weirdly worded sentence, but I can say this. Not ONCE have I shamed anyone for their political views, here or otherwise. You talk about projection, but the only person here shaming others for political beliefs YOU (Again, "I have to wonder how smart they can really be"). I have criticized your behavior and words, and that of others, but never their political beliefs.

>>2193292

Yikes man, when I said "people who don't know about policy" I was talking about Dems who don't know anything but act superior. It honestly seems like you've had trouble understanding a large majority of what I've said.

>>2193263
What?

You/He was talking about rain helping the GOP/poorfags voting less often and less consistently. All of which wasn't shown to be true.

And your post falls into a similar issue, it doesn't show proof for its claims. But assuming it's true, then we can't exactly say how those non-voters would vote. Demographics and polls sure, but those aren't ironclad, and as we saw this election they're far from precise. Beyond that, consider that independents are the single largest group now. You can't say the Democrats are the silent majority by any actual means.

>>2193325
>when I said "people who don't know about policy" I was talking about Dems who don't know anything but act superior.
You outright said "the fact that there are people like you're talking about who really don't know the first thing about policy"

>It honestly seems like you've had trouble understanding a large majority of what I've said.
Pretty sure you're just trolling now, because I outright said as much.

Oh well, I bit the bait and got caught. Well done sir.

>>2193328
Here's a source for weather effecting election results.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1111/j.1468-2508.2007.00565.x

As for "the silent majority are democrats," that was a stupid generalization and I shouldn't have made it.

At the moment, I think most of the voters don't know what to think, and Trump has a tremendous amount of power to gain or lose power in the coming months.

That said, more Democrats turn out in presidential elections than Senate elections, and there's a real danger there for Trump, especially when he lost the popular vote. There's a real chance that if things go seriously wrong, Trump could lose the GOP majority in the Senate. On the other hand, if things go right, he has a supermajority.

>>2193349

Yes, "people like you're talking about", as in "people like the ones you are talking about". Do you know what that configuration of words means?

>>2193350
>http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1111/j.1468-2508.2007.00565.x
I will read this very much, thank you anon.

>At the moment, I think most of the voters don't know what to think, and Trump has a tremendous amount of power to gain or lose power in the coming months.
I would agree.

>That said, more Democrats turn out in presidential elections than Senate elections, and there's a real danger there for Trump, especially when he lost the popular vote.
I'd completely disagree, at least on the popular vote part, after all, it's not like Cali or NY chooses anyone else's Rep.s. What's far more important is how close each state and district race was, as the ones which were narrow are much more likely to swing. As-is though, most states are solidly one way or the other, so little I think will change in 2018, unless Trump royally fucks up.

>>2193353
You know what anon, I'm sorry, I really did misread that. I'll freely admit I completely fucked that up. Again, I am sorry and now I deservedly feel like a shit.

>>2193384
My mantra since Trump won has been "don't make predictions."

Like, I'm happy to not see this country turn into a European style shithole, but I just wouldn't have called that. And I'm extremely hesitant to say that future elections will be any more predictable.

Polite sage for off topic.

>>2193487
Ivory towers are built to be torn down.

>>2185565
>Carter
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2185597
Coolidge was pretty cool

>>2186050
>his rep was based on nothing but memes

i can't think of an equally memetastic president that isn't Andrew Jackson, so

>>2186361
T. Roosevelt, Carter, Jackson, Nixon, Polk

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>>2185565
>Carter

It's a meme to hate on Carter but history will vindicate his brilliant, dedicated and, most importantly, SUCCESSFUL diplomatic effort to get all the Americans back from Iran without starting a war.

>>2193172
If wanted the /pol/ list just ask them

>>2192036
>Harding

why

>>2192460
>isn't even inaugurated.
>already winning at everything.

From here on President's will be rated from the day they're elected on out. I'd even argue Obama began setting this as precedent early on by simply being elected.

>>2193668
only because Carter massively fucked up trying to get them out via military means first

>>2193674
Fuck you /pol/ loves authoritarians. You made a list of idiots who failed in terms of civil liberties and economic policies. Especially FDR who was probably in the bottom 5.

>>2192868
>Literally announces loud and clear several times during rallies and on news media that he views government people as incompetent fools and states that he intends to put the best and brightest America has in charge "like my friend Karl Ichon, and bunch of my other thirsty blood sucking friends."

Calling Trump a populist was simply an attempt by the media to contain and understand the phenemonia that was him. Trump was never a real populist. Trump just had some non-standard ideas about trade which went against the "consensus" that elites disliked and labelled it populism.

>>2193109
>thinking he would actually fulfill anything he said
>Literally already moving ahead with plans to construct fortifications along the border, and to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Obama accomplished two things during his presidency, that people will remember him for. His health care bill, and killing Osama. And people are already fast forgetting Osama was killed under him. Doing these two things alone, Trump will have obtained achievement equal to Obama.

>>2193705
Because he was good. Prevented an economic crisis, lowered a huge debt from Wilson's administration and favored balanced budget. Implemented the essential Budget and Accounting Act.
Also he was a good president for black Americans.

And saved the original document of the US consitution.

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>>2193973
yes yes we've all heard the 382u304e8329423-329840283094832048093284093284098329 dimension chess line before

Doesn't change the fact that you were played like the fools you were.

>>2194019
You are hallucinating. This isn't even the chess meme. He has PUBLICLY, ON LIVE TV, IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, declared that what he is doing now with the Cabinet is what he wanted to do, staff it with people he knows from the business world.

>>2193972
FDR was making progress in repairing the nation's economy even before WWII started and is the only president so well liked that he got elected 4 times. In his second election the other candidate didn't even argue FDR did a bad job, just that he thought he could do better. The only thing that you can even argue he did wrong was Japanese internment and that was mostly due to his secretary of war not using actual data or evidence but presenting Japanese betrayal as fact while he was busy. Check your facts before you make yourself look retarded next time.

>>2194087
Holy fucking shit sure is PBS in here.
No. To put it simply both Hoover and FDR prolonged the Great Depression. Hoover's reforms failed so obviously Roosevelt's advisor took those ideas and amplified them.

1st time he won because he lied about his policies which was supposed to be "anti-socialist" (which basically means anti-Hoover)

2nd time he won because the country was in the short period of recovery right before the second wave of the economic crisis, all thanks to his retarded reforms

And then WWII happened. He was charismatic but of course he was a disaster when dealing with Stalin.

>>2191193
>>literal socialist that extended the depression
>Socialist.

Socal Democracy is not Socialism

When will this meme die. Progessive Tax, Social Welfare, redistribution of wealth are not socialism. Social Democray is compromise of Captialism/Socialism to create a mixed economy.

>>2194087
>is the only president so well liked that he got elected 4 times
I'm sure world war 2, and his emergency war powers extending his stay in the white house had nothing to do with it
nope

>>2185565
pic obviously not related?

>>2191309
In a thread about American presidents, you're complaining about anons discussing American presidents? I think you might be the retarded one, boyo.

>>2193943
>Carter's fault
>not the crippling infighting in the DoD

It's a good thing WW3 never popped off or we would've been fucked. Even Reagan couldn't do much to fix the problem

>>2192148
>All things he hasn't accomplished yet.
You know what? fuck you, I'm the best president.
I did everything trump did, but slightly better. All in the future of course

>>2192445
>Literally spent his whole Presidency in fear of Johnson

>After JFK dies Johnson fucks his wife

>>2185565
pic not related?