Ideals of male beauty

>>2181196
And?
I would argue that 3 is the worst looking, actually.
But what's the point of this thread?

>>2181196
>tfw ugly type

>>2181245
Discuss ideals of male beauty.

>>2181271
pretty sure there's other boards for that, this isn't one of them

>>2181274
>What is Plato
beauty is an important subjects in humanities.

>dating based on looks
I have zero respect for anybody that does this. I just need to tell you that you are a moron.

Normies are not very smart a lot of the time.

>>2181196
>stop white shaming! embrace diversity
cringe

>No citation

I hate this fucking board so much

Even /pol/ cites their shit

>>2181296
>wanting a citation for that dumbass image
>would probably read it unironically
Go back to/pol/ and celebrate your fox ews tier citations.

>>2181285
People look for mates based on looks because looks are associated with health and favorable genes, even animals do it. You're lofty spiritual or aesthetic ideals of finding someone based on 'true love' or 'personality' are just nonsense that obscures and ignores the original reason you're seeking a mate in the first place.

Marrying someone with a great personality but shitty genes is like buying a car with a great interior but no engine.

>>2181306
Perhaps a better analogy would be reversed: A great engine with poor interior.

>>2181308
Yes that works better for the whole "Shitty outside, good inside" thing, but thats HIS point. My point is that the outside is related to the FUNCTION of sex/marriage/etc in the first place.

In other words, there is a certain scientific wisdom in normie-ism, at least on this one particular point.

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>>2181285

>>2181296
Because it's made up.

>>2181318
The ideology which gives us this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juCR6qQkBvk

>white shaming
when did pol turn into tumblr

>>2181334
I think its suppose to be tongue in cheek

>>2181285
I think it's okay to factor in looks when judging romantic partners. Looks are just a draw factor, nothing wrong with that. Your product could have lots of good features in it and be high quality, but nobody's gonna come take a look if it has shitty advertising.

>>2181306
>a great personality but shitty genes
personality is genes, intelligence is genes
looks != intelligence, the set of genes that make you smart and make you look good are different genes
ugly people had to be smarter to survive and mate, so there you have it, even an evolutionary explanation

this site is so obsessed with 'genes', yet nobody has an idea what those actually are

>>2181196
>According to the ancient Greeks, white men fall into three categories when it comes to face and physique.

Well that doesn't sound made up at all.

>>2181196
Why is Apollo traditionally depicted as muscular and fairly masculine then?

>>2181285
Looks aren't the primary factor, but I want my mate to be at least somewhat attractive, because she's the only person I'll be fucking the rest of my life.

>>2181540
Fucking this. I have tried dating with no consideration for looks but when it comes to everything physically romantic it just isn't nice. In the end, people you aren't physically attracted to but are mentally attracted to are better off as just friends.

>>2181271
>>>>/hm/

>>2181196
I will dress like a Slav

>>2181196
So did the ancient Greeks really give their Gods hair colours because e.g. ginger, blond hair was rare back then, or was that just a meme?

>>2181196
According to the greeks, those are who men are attracted to, not women.
Women are attracted to money, power, status, security, and so on.
Men are attracted to Apollo, Perseus or Hercules.

Read your greeks, lad.

>>2181196
wtf i ADORE apollo now

>>2181518
He really isn't

>>2181285
t. Never had a romantic partner

Starting a relationship with someone you're not attracted to is literally retarded.

>>2181196
aka twink, bear and normal I suppose.

Nothing new


lmao at "stop white shaming" though

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Apollo wasn't a girl-faced twink bottom fuckboi.

He was the penetrator.

Pic related.

>>2181196

All cultures have the same archetypes, what did you hope to accomplish here anyways?

>>2181196

>"greek" types
>latin spelling of heracles

>>2181417
>personality is genes, intelligence is geneslooks != intelligence
Based if anecdotal experience I'd say this is not entirely true, since ugly people are often stupid, weird, or autistic. It seems their entire genome is flawed. But that's not always true.

>sugly people had to be smarter to survive and mate

I could argue otherwise. In agricultural societies most people could survive and mate as long as they weren't terribly unfit physically or significantly stupid.

>>2181417
Sorry anon, but your qt theory is wrong. It is both obvious and scientifically prove that good looks correlate with high intelligence.

Life is not an RPG where you have set number of points and distribute them between stats. Some people are just born overally shitty and some people overally good.

>>2181310
>FUNCTION

>he believes in teleology

>tfw Perseus

>>2182762
Some people are ugly and extremely intelligent faggot

>>2181285
Hahaha only a virgin or ugly incel in denial would say this.

Looks are so goddamn fucking important, beautiful people are not just more attractive, but generally speaking also more intelligent, moral and spiritual as well.

>>2181310
following that logic we shuold all marry bodybuilders.

>>2182698
>complains about latin spelling
>heracles
>herac
>c

>>2182845
gymcel != good genetics

>>2182838
>beautiful people are not just more attractive, but generally speaking also more intelligent, moral and spiritual as well.
They're also fucking cocky at the most subconscious levels from being so coddled

>>2182850
On the matter I would say though: think of how Hercules was conceived; Zeus literally choose a bodybuilder equivalent of his time and had a Son with her.

>>2182855
Wrong, I find that beautiful people are generally speaking also the bravest, kindest, most receptive and most including sort.

Ancient peoples all knew this, this is as per usual us moderns taking several steps back in the name of the false god of equality, and only now rediscovering the truth of physiognomy, like with so many other ancient wisdoms.

>>2182858
Herakles was naturally strong, powerful and athletic though. Most bodybuilders (i.e. gymcels) are people who obfuscate their poor genetics and frail constitutions by cheating with synthetic hormones.

>>2182860
Well I find that they aren't. I find that they often care more about their looks more than the average person. And all the popular kids in high school are good looking, especially the rich/jock/preppy cliques. And we know how cocky those kids are. Sure some of them don't get corrupted by it but most normies take any advantage they can get.

>>2182911
And think of the club hooking up scene and the tinder scene. Good looking people get tons of advantages and it almost always goes to their head.

>>2182918
>club hooking up scene and the tinder scene
>beautiful people
"no"

Learn that attractive/sexy != beautiful

>>2182956

t. uggo

>>2182960
I am well aware of this. But the fact is that everywhere we go is filled with subhumans. Raves and clubs in particular seem to be exclusively a proxy for degenerate fat/ugly people sex.

Ugly people, of course can still insert their genitals into eachother, but I of course do not consider it real sex, but an affront towards sex as an ideal (this is why I have decided to no longer pursue sex also, as I realize I am too ugly)

>>2181196
So Hercules is a big guy?

>>2182956
Wtf are you talking about then

>>2182998
For you.

>>2181245
You kidding me? They're all stunning

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>>2183000
People who are beautiful in an ideal sense, rather than merely attractive/sexy (a more base existence)

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>Tfw Hephaestus type

>>2183016
You seem confused

>>2183025
We feel for you, anon.

>>2182685
Hyacinthus has some meaty flaps on her

>>2183108
How so?

>>2181285
If we had perfect information on every human ever then no, looks wouldn't matter.

However, we don't, so we have to make our best judgements based on admittely superficial perceptions.

>>2182789
Omg, anecdotal evidence!

I yield! Please dont hurt me mr. Ugly!

>>2181196
I would say the guy in the middle looks like a pretty boy, the one on the right is neither slim nor overly muscular, and the boy on the left is a twink

>>2183244
The cyber bullying on this board has grown out of hand

>>2182860
So... what? Are we just supposed to condemn those poor souls who were born with "shit genes"/were too low class to have access to beautifying products?

Come on now, your philosophy sounds nice, but in reality it just serves as a marketing ploy for the beauty and fashion industries.

>>2183016
Again, what does this mean? What seperates an "ideal beauty" from "base attractiveness"?
What do those terms mean to you? Because at the moment they are meaningless to me.

>>2183016
If you define Beauty as Virtue then you're just spouting tautologies.

>>2181417
>this site is so obsessed with genes

Because they are to afraid, conscious or not, of the consequences of the idea that genes do NOT entirely define a persons destiny. They are afraid to admit that in fact there is a level of personal responsibility in achieving whatever they normally ascribe genes too.

This truth means they can no longer blame their personal failings on getting the wrong genes unfortunately.

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>>2181285
Everyone selects on looks at least partially, even you.

>>2183559
I'm saying beautiful people are naturally virtuous, not that being beautiful in itself is a virtue.
>>2183550
Contrast primitive, sexualized appearances (perfect example: Nicki Minaj) implying high fertility/extreme dimorphism to a refined, symmetrical and beautifully developed face and body, effortless grace.
>>2183539
I believe one should learn ones place, and not exude bitterness and resentment towards the beautiful people (ideally beautiful) but exalt them.

>>2183604
>I'm saying beautiful people are naturally virtuous
Then why are Hollywood actors such scumbags?

>>2183650
Very few Hollywood actors are actually beautiful.

>>2183657
So we've arrived at the situation where gallons of makeup, Photoshop and camera angles do not mean someone is actually beautiful. Thus most actors, pornstars and super models are not truly beautiful. The problem is this arguably includes most normies who partake is such things. If your talking about some natural beauty without any of that, how long before the people become homely in your eyes?

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>>2183657
>Very few Hollywood actors are actually beautiful.

>>2183722
>actors
Yes.
>pornstars
Obviously.
>super models
Largely speaking wrong, this is where ideal, natural beauty appears.
>>2183736
I think again that you are confusing beauty with attraction.

Also of course, keep in mind that plastic surgeries and make up are fraud, just like bodybuilders on steroids like I mentioned earlier.

>>2183785
>super models
You realize most are made up as heavily as actors or pornstars, right?

>>2183861
For their work, yes. That doesn't mean they're not exceptionally beautiful individuals. No pornstar or actor reaches even the toes of the most beautiful models, no matter how much fraud they commit.

>>2182838
then you should judge them on how intelligent, moral and spiritual they are directly unless youre too retarded to tell

this thread has me convinced that the world needs to be hit by an asteroid.

>>2183604
I know two girls. One a Stacy since middle school, the other just an avarage Jane. To say the Stacy (who really is physically beautiful) is any more virtuous than the Jane is laughable. (She isn't less mine you)

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>>2182911
You sound extremely bitter.

If you had those advantages, why wouldn't you be? You, specifically, explain why. A lot of those people are nice, they just play the game because the advantages of their status facilitates freedom of expression not afforded to those of a "less privileged" social strata.

>>2181328
>koreans and their undouble lidded eyelids

must be sad desu

>>2181285
would you date a landwhale?

>>2181318
Not really. It's only worth looking good for career shit.

You can do /fa/ as a hobby, but don't fetishize it.

>>2182838
>but generally speaking also more intelligent, moral and spiritual as well.

Do you honestly need to tell yourself this bullshit to be happy? Do you need a hug or something?

>>2181196
More like only a retarded cuntcuck should care who are women attracted to.

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>>2182762
Von Neumann was probably the smartest person to ever live and he looked like this.

I mean fuck, Jews in general are both extremely smart and extremely revolting.

>>2186184
He's not ugly. Looks average. Even kinda food for his age.

>>2186358
>kinda food
Kinda GOOD.

The fuck was I thinking.

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Isn't he handsome? You'll find few men slaying as much pussy as him.

>>2186358
>not ugly
Are you blind

>>2181306
>Biologism

Absolutely disgusting

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>>2186184
>jews extremely revolting
and then you got this neumann

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>>2186743
Half Slovak through his mom's side, shouldn't even count as Jewish according to Jewish law.

Pic related is his dad, not exactly a looker.

>>2182869
Using the word gymcel automatically consigns you to /r9k/ or other resentful boards

>>2183025
sames tbqh but i got a good athene type as a gf so it's all good

We're getting a little too vague and subjective with ugliness and attractiveness.

Ugliness is correlated with lower intelligence, but only deformative ugliness, because it's keyed to some deeper flaw in the genome that likely affects intelligence as well.

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>>2186749
then this guy

>>2181196
>greek
>hercules

>women care about looks

As long as you're not piss ugly or a literal 10/10 it's not even a consideration