ITT we post based leaders who saved their countries

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>>2171522

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>>2171522
For a time, at least.
>>2171523
He's not in office yet you Mongoloid, don't count your chicks before the eggs hatch.

>>2171522
Is this a meme? My understanding of post-colonial South American history is lackluster, and I'm not sure whether or not Pinochet was objectively bad for Argentina.

Why are Latin Americans on the Internet almost uniformly right-wing? Is it a class thing?

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>>2171522

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>>2171522
what did he save?

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>>2171534
>I'm not sure whether or not Pinochet was objectively bad for Argentina

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>>2171522

>>2171523
he is not part of history yet

>>2171538
from filthy communist scum

>>2171535
>Why are Latin Americans on the Internet almost uniformly right-wing?
We aren't.

>>2171531
>>2171542
>implying I was talking about Trump

>>2171539
Thanks for contributing

>>2171545
t. /pol/ who would rather pursue their dogmas than try to help the people of their nation in a meaningful matter

>>2171548
Has Hogan not died yet?

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>>2171550
>WAHHH IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME U ARE LE /POL/ :(

>>2171541
Literally the only true answer so far. Deng was an economic and political genius.

>>2171554
Nah. He's leg-dropping web companies for millions of dollars now

>>2171557
I'm sure those helicopter rides gave a great return for the taxpayers, anon.

>>2171557
not him but this post certainly makes me think you are from /pol/

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>>2171565
now chile is one of latam's best nations compared to venezuela

>>2171581
Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Columbia, and Venezuela all have stronger economies than Chile, though.

>>2171545

>overthrow democratically-elected government with CIA backing
>brutally torture and murder dissidents
>whore country out to multinationals, implement massive shock therapy and become burger puppet state
>poverty rate increases to 45% while top 10% sees massive income growth

If your argument is that Allende was abusing his power (a legitimate one), he could have been impeached and removed from office by the National Congress or defeated in a free and fair election. But Allende was just a pretext to turn Chile into a Chicago School guinea pig.

>>2171547
>latin america
>right-wing
Ayyyyy.

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>>2171594
>>2171595

>>2171557
You are not a poltard, but you are a retard

>>2171605

When did I say anything about the Venezuelan government?

>>2171609
says the communist fag

>>2171605
Individual images don't prove points, data does.
If you want to compare via HDI, Chile is bested by Argentina in total, and usually is anywhere from 3rd to 5th place on individual categories, even with Venezuela. Ultimately, most of South America is around the same level.

>>2171615
Poltards can only think in binary. If you don't support a psychopath like pinochet you must like the venezuelan government.

>>2171621
>ITS NOT REAL GOMMUNISM

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>>2171616
>WAHHH IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME U ARE LE COMMUNIST FAG

Dumb frogposter

>>2171623

I'm not a communist. I think Maduro is an incompetent, corrupt, authoritarian fuckwit. I also think Pinochet was a sociopathic fascist who whored out his country to multinationals and was disastrous for the lower classes of Chile.

Is this so hard to understand?

>>2171624
What if Cuba got no sanctions?

>>2171707
If they were like the USSR, they would not do much trading and would be a closed economy. Partly due to sanctions, but they would still do that anyways imho.

But if they did trade, they would compete with big corn in the US as a sweetener, so it would be hard to say exactly what.

>>2171634
"Whored his country out to multinationals" good thing that you have such a derp understanding of macroeconomics and foreign invedtment eh?

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>>2171624
totally.

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>>2171595
MUH CIAAA

>>2171714
They would only trade with leftist countries anyway

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>>2171548
Underrated

>>2171758
What a sour individual.

Pï8 don't save Chile, he tortured my family and friends of my parents

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For some time...

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>>2171522

>>2171549
Pinochet's from Chile, Jack.

>>2171770
Don't be born into a leftist family then next time dickhead

>>2171557
le edgy le XDD
>>2171581
>>2171605
Nobody brought up Venezuela, sperg.

>>2171753
What do you expect if their biggest economic partner collapses and their neighbor hates them?

>>2171758
*tips revisionism*

>>2171806
>What do you expect if their biggest economic partner collapses

The USSR was still around for most of the chart, during which Cuban gdp per capita went from in-line with world GDP per capita to faaar below the average.

>and their neighbor hates them?

The USA's embargo against them wouldn't even come close to making up from the difference of free subsidies they got in handouts from the USSR. For context, trade with the USA only accounts for like 5% of the DR's GDP.

When Cuba lost those free handouts their economy contracted by 30%, because the Commies were such fucking shit that Soviet handouts was the only reason they were able to function.

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There was one exception to the rule that all our foes have committed and that is the Decadence Assumption. Ho Chi Minh never underestimated America. His avowed hero was George Washington and he remained in awe of the U.S., all his life. He remains the only enemy leader who ever defeated us at war, and then only because our hubris (not decadence) got the better of us.

>>2171792
*tips revisionism*

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>>2171522
Pic related
>>2171545
>>2171557
>>2171623
I just realized that Pinoshits are the right wing libertarian equivalent of tankies.
>Mostly comprised of edgy teenagers who are just getting into radical politics
>Unquestionably loyal to anything their Great Leader™ no matter what he did, both the good and the bad
>View the world in a binary, us-vs-them mentality
>Inherently authoritarian while pretending to be the vangaurd to a promised utopia
>Vocal minority
>Constantly embarrass and ruin the reputation of their respective ideologies
The world would objectively be better if both groups killed themselves.

>>2171545
>>2171557
FUcking commies amirite xDD
if they dont like pinocchio they are just commies and fuck commies xD

>>2171917
nice rebbutal leftard

>>2171923
case and point

>>2171923
it's almost as if I was making a caricature of exactly what you've been doing

also not a leftard, try again

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>>2171522
Yi Sun-Sin

>>2171602
Speak for yourself retard
t. argentinian

>>2171535
It is a class thing, most right wing people in latin america are middle or upper class. Which are the ones with internet connections. You'll get a few left wing middle class people from the cities though,

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>>2171536
>Implying

>>2171810

Chile is just one of those countries that get whored out as a success story by the rightards.

They'll go all code of silence when things turn bad, just like every other time.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/07/hitchens200707

>>2172177
>ctrl + F Chile
>0 results
>Talks about fucking Carthage

>>2171547
Fuck off commie

>>2172170
>most right wing people in latin america are middle or upper class.

which makes them a minority in these countries

>>2172194
I don't know about the rest of latin america but in Argentina the rich and middle class are the majority

>>2171557
>hillary clinton supporter cry.jpg
yeah, you are from /pol/

I don't like communists but I don't like infringing people's rights and extrajudicial killings and the like either

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>>2171896
It's funny how you complain about the "horrible" things Pinochet did while posting an image of Tito. I bet you think Yugoslavia was an economic powerhouse as well.

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>>2171770
Good

>>2171896
>saved their country
it literally fell apart the moment he died

>>2171792
Except this meme is wrong, it ignores the preceding & the long term trends created & continued.

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>>2171522

>>2171557
average /pol/ack everyone

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>all these edgy posts
>nobody posted this handsome guy yet

I know this is /r 4chan but come on guys.

>>2171771
You seem to have misplaced your picture of Leguia, here, take mine. You can forget about the Indian you have there. Fujimori would work as well.

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>tfw pinochetfags are so ignorant they don't even know the helicopter rides meme is a farce since the whole point was to dispose of corpses of executed communists by throwing them into the sea, not throwing them out alive

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>>2173238
Fuck

>>2171798

see>>2171594

>>2173242
>>2171594
Dumb niggers

>List of Latin American countries by Human Development Index

Very High Human Development
Rank Country HDI World rank
1 Argentina 0.836 40
2 Chile 0.832 42
>two countries that had solid neoliberal reforms are the most prosperous

>>2172596
>>2172599
>70+ posts before Hoppean Snake Memes get posted
come on /his/

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>>2171522
wow dude that's really edgy, i mean what's it like being 12 years old and incredibly wrong?

>>2173260
> in 3 years poverty falls 15%
> poverty continues down at the same rate for a decade & continues to fall for another decade
> whole time Chilean economy remains liberalized
> not a miracle

Oh Alah!

>>2173264
but that's wrong, you fucking retard, Pinochet had to abandon power because the country was in such a bad economic state in the late 80s he was risking a mass uprising.

>>2171522
>killing people I disagree with politically is a-okay if I agree with his economic policies

>>2173260
See
>>2171758

>>2173267
Nigger he was confident he would win and got 46% of the vote.

>>2173269
Leftists aren't people. They're savage animals who idolise societal structures from 30,000 years ago

>>2173267
> yet none of his policies were reversed or abolished

Oh Alah he can't be serious!

>>2173274
The concertacion governments actually moderated many Pinochet era policies or entirely reversed them and continue to do so to this day in spite of extreme butthurt from the right wing. In fact, Pinochetist faggots are convinced that Bachelet is a female Hugo Chavez.

>>2173273
>he was confident he would win
So was Hillary Clinton.

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>>2173281
>yfw the """left""" took power and then proceeded to just leech off the policies Pinochet left instead of reversing them

pottery

>>2173256
>le Chi Chi Chi Le Le Le is worse than a country ran only by Peronist social-democrats (except for the brief period of time when they lost to the fucking UK lmao)

>>2173281
Besides some social spending & taxes to leech off the economic prosperity they left in the privatization, floating exchange rates, left off many of the tariffs & free trade restrictions & it remains to this day one of the most liberal economies ,certainly in Latin America. Coincidence? Oh alah I think not!

Not to mention that rate of growth & poverty decline, oh Alah is bueno!

>>2171896
>>2171639
Go home and lick your grandma's dried up cunt. He's the reason every ex-yu country apart from Slovenia is fucked.

>>2173273
>Leftists aren't people. They're savage animals who idolise societal structures from 30,000 years ago
not an argument

>>2173281
> or entirely reversed them
Hardly

>>2171932
>Franco
>in power from 1939 to 1975
>Spain objectively a 3rd world country until the 80s while its democtatic peers got economic boom in the 60s (e.g. Italy)

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Surprised no one has posted him yet

>>2173402
I don't know how it's possible to be so much delusional

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_miracle

>>2171545
>Allende was a communist
Confirmed for not knowing shit

>>2172100
나이스

>>2173264
>Unemployment and infant death rates skyrocket, so does gap between rich and poor
Oh Alah!

>>2173273
>Leftists aren't people. They're savage animals who idolise societal structures from 30,000 years ago
How's middle school doing for u?

>>2173402
B-but it saved us f-from the communists, anon

>>2173445
not an argument

>>2173478
eric

>>2173402
>>2173433
BTFO

>>2173478
XD

>>2171522
>it's ok to topple democratically elected goverments if I don't agree with them

>>2173555
See>>2171758

>>2173315
>>2172971
>>2172596
Whattup butthurt Serbs!

>>2171758
This image is total and absolute bullshit.

This board is a fucking joke.

>>2171557
The arrow of the "H" seems like is going to her heart

POETRY
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People who criticize right-wing dictatorships in Latin America underestimate the risk those countries had of falling to communism and becoming absolute shitholes.

>but muh Cuba, muh HDI

Cuba didn't actually improve much from the 50s, when it was already one of the most developed countries in the region, and this after tons of Soviet support which tried to make it a model in the region. Chile, Argentina or Brazil wouldn't have the same support, they would fall to Ethiopia or Cambodia levels of poverty and violence.

Pinochet, Videla, Castelo Branco, Stroessner, D'Aubuisson, Rios Montt, they did nothing wrong.

>>2173555
Yes, why not?

>>2171896
You're looking into it to deep, Pinochet is just great meme material.

>>2171547
t. Venezuelan

>>2171594
Mexican here, why you lie every Latin American economy is going down the gutter thanks to inflation, and the spike in gasoline, except Chile, you fucking retarded idiot, don't talk about things you know shit about.

>>2174045
Its just some american commie running his mouth off

>tfw Chilean and live in the best country because it's capitalist.

>>2174293
lel, fuck off

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>>2171522

>>2171522

>>2174344
kill yourself serbshit

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>>2171522
Took over a dysfunctional, bankrupted state, and turned it into a great empire.

>>2173228
Nothing comes close to him

>>2171522
Francis II

God Save Emperor Francis!

>>2171541
this so much. the amount of times I have had to explain to retards how China's boom was caused not by Mao but by Deng is frankly ridiculous

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>>2171522
These two saints.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZzFizWhUFc
:^)

>>2173654
u seem mad

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>>2171522

Tony Abbott stopped the boats, and won our hearts

>>2172176
Based Eisenhower. Last truly great Republican

>>2171548
Amazing

>>2171557
You should probably go back

>>2176493
You're forgetting about Nixon senpai

>>2174684
Best answer

>>2174642
I am Croatian myself and hate what Tudman did to the country.

>>2173526
This truly our last good President

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Jesus christ... no Thatcher yet??? Have some Thatcher.

>>2171796

>"Allende and communists were a threat to democracy and the rule of law!"
>Engge in extrajudicial murder and torture of political dissidents for 15 years

>>2177329

engage

>>2177329
engage*

Jesus Christ

>>2177329
>>2173697

Anyway, to elaborate on this point, think about *why* the lower classes were attracted to Communism. While Marx thought it would first come to the the most industrialized countries, the places where it either took power or came close to it were usually backwater authoritarian states where the common people had little to no political representation and a very small slice of the pie (Latin America has the worst social inequality in the world). After he seized power in Cuba but before he adopted communism and turned to the USSR for support, Castro asked the United States for a Latin American version of the Marshall Plan. It was also driven by the United States' past meddling in the region; there were multiple military interventions to protect American corporate interests from populist governments in Nicaragua, Honduras, and other countries, something which ended under FDR but started again with Eisenhower's support for the Guatemalan coup in 1954.

If the lower classes have political representation, they're less likely to be attracted to radical ideologies. See: the relative lack of political violence in liberal democracies compared to authoritarian/pseudo-democratic states.

>>2171535
Because all of our countries have suffered the misery and disgrace of commies.

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>>2171538
>cherry picking a town in the middle of the desert
Kys faggot

>>2177157
lol

>>2177373
>Castro asked the United States for a Latin American version of the Marshall Plan.
Source? He expropriated billions in US company wealth

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Commie spergs getting triggered hard by this thread good job OP

>>2177492

Castro visited the US in 1959, insisted he wasn't a Communist, and asked for American support. He didn't nationalize property and side with the Soviets until the year after.

http://www.upi.com/Archives/Audio/Events-of-1959/Cuban-Revolution/

>>2177069
what did he do? just curious

>>2173697
Videla destroyed the argentinian economy. Before him we had no structural poverty, no indigence, no unemployment, no external debt, and a strong industrial structure. He left us with an unpayable debt that screwed us for the next two decades, the destruction of the industry left us with high structural unemployment and prone to external crises, there's more people under the poverty line each decade, and he basically created indigence in the country. Also, the "risk of falling to communism" was zero, as admitted by the army itself, the guerrilla were less than a thousand people and had already been suppressed before the coup.

At least chile's economy kinda worked out in the long term, so pinochetists have that going for them. Videlafags are literally retarded edgelords.

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>>2177498
I'm seeing exactly the opposite

>>2177514

>Trumpfags are Kirinofags

Perfect.

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>>2177514

All I see is raging stalinaboo larping commie spergs posting Stalin Castro and Tito and whining about le evul capitalist imeprialist cispatriarchy. Did you even read the thread?

>>2177498
You keep posting this person in every thread where you lose an argument.
Whats your point? Do you think every non-right-extremist is this guy samefagging? Do you think him being ugly is an argument?

What the fuck are you doing?

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>>2177524
>Stalinaboos posting Castro and Tito
Hmmmm, really gets the grey matter fired up

>>2177524

There's been like one guy fapping to Tito and someone else who posted a pic of Stalin. The rest of it has been /pol/acks forcing the Pinochet meme and people like me taking the radical position that brutal military juntas are, in fact, a bad thing (see >>2177373)

>>2177524
>whining about le evul capitalist imeprialist cispatriarchy
Do /pol/tards actually hallucinate posts? I'm curious.

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>>2177529

I am just making fun of all the various NEET neckbeard commies from reddit /lit/ leftypol and SA who try to take over this board with their terrible memes.

>>2177550
But you are committing the cardinal sin of mistaking insults for arguments. You are posting garbage, and act as if this garbage proves you right, and proves others wrong.

Stop doing that.

>>2177549
>if you are a perfectly rational and intelligent being who is against communism and socialism you are a /pol/ack

>>2177540
>brutal military juntas

Stop exaggerating. The Pinochet regime murdered around 2000 political activists over a decade. It's nothing socialists in Spain murdered 3000 Catholic priests in Madrid alone over the span of a couple years.

>>2177555

If you want quality intellectual discussion™ you can always go to r/historians. Anyway I will tone the shitposting down a little

>>2177566
Nah, it's the binary thinking, memeposting, lack of arguments, and hallucinating that makes me think you are.

>>2177567
>If you want quality intellectual discussion™ you can always go to r/historians. Anyway I will tone the shitposting down a little

I just want to remind you that you are poisoning the well you drink from.
Any neutral reader would move away from your side of the argument when they see how you present it by posting people with large chins and acting as if this is a statement of economic policy or whatever.

>>2177571
I haven't posted once in this thread except for that comment

>>2177577
Then that's what makes me think the poster you defended is from /pol/...

>>2177567

True--Pinochet was far from the worst by death count compared to the Brazilian, Argentine, or Paraguayan juntas. But I'm not going to pretend that a regime which trained dogs to rape women isn't "brutal". Nor did I defend the crimes of the Spanish Republicans (which pale in comparison to those of the Nationalists and later the Franco regime, especially since the Republicans spent as much time killing each other as they did killing fascists).

>>2177567

>either tolerate my low-effort /pol/shit or you're a SJW communist invader

Are you actually this stupid?

>>2177566

Have you looked at this thread? By and large it's been me (a social democrat) arguing against depraved fascists.

>>2177580

Lol whitewashing leftist purges genocides and war crimes how typical..OK mr perfectly rational level headed "social democrat".

>>2177588
>Lol whitewashing leftist purges genocides and war crimes how typical

DOGS TRAINED TO RAPE WOMEN.

>>2177588

What am I whitewashing? You were the one who avoided defending Pinochet's crushing of dissidents by bringing up the Spanish Civil War.

I don't want to waste my time on a dick-measuring contest of which regimes murdered more civilians. My point is that Latin American military juntas were bad and that countries where the interests of the lower/working classes are represented are less likely to fall to violent revolutions. The right likes to point to the successes of Chile and the failures of Venezuela (note: I think Maduro is shit); I'd point to Uruguay, which has seen stability and prosperity under center-left governments.

>>2172194
>What is Macri and Piñera

>>2177607
Chile grew under almost exclusively center-left governments too.

>>2177615
>>2177607
I think you two are misinterpreting what the argument ultimately devolves into. Is the extreme left worse than the extreme right?

And besides, everyone knows the true /his/ pill is that centre-___ is best

>>2177626

I think that argument is a waste of fucking time. Marxism-Leninism and fascism should both be left in the 20th century.

>>2171535
>Is it a class thing?
Yes, the rich white ones are the people that can speak English.

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Literally saved the Republic twice.

>>2177580
>But I'm not going to pretend that a regime which trained dogs to rape women isn't "brutal".

h-hot.

>>2174156

Best country for what? Or for fucking whom?

Our education and health sectors are shit, our social security system is a delusion for the third world country we live in and we have rampant inequality and corruption.

Yeah fucking great aweonao.

>>2177484

>Town in the middle of the desert
>City with the largest GDP in Chile

Not the same Anon, but its a perfectly good example.

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Soon.

>>2173648
All ex-yu commies need to hanged, and i'm a Croat.

>>2177755
>Croat nationalists
Just as deserving of a flamethrower blast to the face as the Serb nationalists

>>2173654
Good argument my friend.

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>>2177838


But anon he is right.

/His/ is absolute dogshit, take a look at the catalog and youll see its like 50% shitpost of the lowest fucking effort and thats without counting the bait threads such as these one.

Another example of its shitty state would be the overabundance of nazi threads, which is nothing more than the reflection of contrarian and ignorant people who take the most widely known event they fucking heard of and just constantly shitpost about
(not denying the /pol/ love nor anything, just that i think its made from more than one group of people), or the meme threads, which are mostly gooddamn awful.

Or take a look at this fucking thread, no one is even making the slight effort to make a pro - pinochet argument, beyond shitty meme's or photos from chile or venezuela.

It is almost universally agreed that the dictatorships phase fucked up latin america, we do not look back at it and say "that was fucking great"

And im not even against shitposting or meme threads, just as long as they dont make the bulk of the fucking board.

But fuck me for expecting this place to be less than a shithole, right?

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>>2171522

>>2178040

/his/ post quality is actually pretty high compared to, say, /pol/. Low bar I know, but there are at least some smart people here.

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>>2178040
Agree it's just /pol/ with worse arguments and more leftism to balance it out.

Fucking sad that the best thread in the catalog is unironically pic related.

>>2178040
go HEAd boii!

>>2178040
I agree with >>2178059, there are at least attempts, which is far above what the likes of /pol/ can achieve. It's like /vg/ compared to /v/, you can have a cohesive argument and/or analysis and a side of shitposting or you can have vauge nonsense, rampant fanaticism, shitposting, and undue nostalgia on the other.

>>2171792
>allende elected with 36%
>shit at everything
>tells military to take over
>kills himself
>pinochet takes over
>kills communists
>frees market
>ruled for 17 years
>holds another election
>looses with 44%
>authoritarian fascist more liked than socialist scumbag

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>>2178059
>>2178069

Sure its not 100% shit, but you guys said it yourself, our comparison point are the worst boards.

>mfw

>>2171896
>muh us vs them mentality is bad
>muh grey area
>i'm a centrist guys! I luv pragmatism!! xD

Go fuck yourself you spineless faggot. You types are the worst. You'd rather see us have no direction because it offends people than actually have a direction and thus purpose.

>>2177506
Another Croatian here: he almost brought the country down. We're lucky the serbs are even bigger fuck ups and are globally hated.

>>2178599
>not knowing that franjo and slobo planned it all together

>>2171538
He saved Chile's resources from being pilfered by rootless International businesses.....

Oh wait

>>2178659
Copper mines were nationalized by Allende tough

>>2178272
It's the internet. Everything is shit. Just differing and varying degrees of shit.

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>>2171522

>>2171522
Pinochet didn't save a pile of shit.

>>2182162
>comrade zero
Opinion discarded

>>2177484
>doing the exact same thing you accuse another of doing

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>>2178141
>comparing a multiparty election to a yes or no vote
You know what you gotta do, anon.

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The greatest legacy of Pinochet is not the economy, but the political system of Chile.

Pinochet studied Marxism and he knew how Western Marxists were more prone at using cultural hegemony, subterfuge and control of institutions to reach power than actual military strenght. So after he did away with the commie guerrillas, he began a process, aided by Jaime Guzman and his ideology of "gremialismo", of creating a strong social basis for his anti-communism in civil society. To this day, the "Union Democrata Independiente", the party created by Guzman according to his political theories, is the only legitimate right-wing anti-communist party in Latin America. This bulwark, coupled with the legacy of the Constitution that Pinochet bestowed prevented Chile from jumping in the Bolivarian bandwagon that sweeped Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, etc

Had not been for this Chilean wealth would be squandered and the country would be as bankrupt as Venezuela. That's why it's safe to say Pinochet not only has saved his country, but he is still saving it, and he will save it until his Constitution remains in force.

>>2182871
You´re overrating the chilean right too much.
They had only won one election since Pinochet left (2010), all the rest were won by the christian democrats and the current leftist coalition.

>>2182915
At least Chile has a right.

Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela has no right-wing. In those countries, parties in Chile that are on the "left" like the PDC, PPD, or PRSD would be considered "right-wing" (the same way christian democrats, social liberals, radicals and social democrats are considered right-wing in the rest of Latin America).

Besides, the institutional damage the left can do in Chile is limited by the Constitution, though I've heard they are changing that. In the end, Latin America will always be Latin America and will always revert to indigenous socialism, but Chile has been able to hold back for decades thanks to Pinochet political legacy, his greatest legacy.

>>2182180
"Rebuttal " discarded.

>>2182871
Pinichet came to power via a cabal of chilean weathy, the cia and Kissinger.

Pinochet put soldiers into factories to prevent unionization.

The weath of chile went directly to the regime and its wealthy allies.

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>>2171531
not in office and have still done far better than the entire obama tyranny

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>>2171557
/His/ is a lefty colony of weak people

>>2173228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqWdCTPPwZM

>>2183205
Real /his/ laughs at all of your fucking silly little spook ideologies.

>>2182937
>At least Chile has a right.

Go back to bed Gustavo Diaz. You have to get up early to take inventory tomorrow.

>Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela has no right-wing.

It's funny how everyone was crowing about Argentina's economic reforms (designed by Steve H. Hanke of Cato Institute fame no less!!!) but they went awful silent after 2002 and now it's just another "commie shithole"

My Chilean friend will always say Pinochet was good for his country desu

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Alright now this is a real hero and a liberator, boys.

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>>2171522
Look it up

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>>2183411
>It's funny how everyone was crowing about Argentina's economic reforms (designed by Steve H. Hanke of Cato Institute fame no less!!!) but they went awful silent after 2002 and now it's just another "commie shithole"

Not so different from people crowing about Venezuela's social policies then going silent after 2014 into "no real socialism" mode.

But my point here is not actually about policy. It's about ideological currents in society, it's about social basis for political parties, it's about institutional control over the cultural reproduction apparatus of the society. Chile in this regard is unique in Latin America in the sense that the right has managed to build a social basis, there are even right-wing student associations, something that is unthinkable in Brazil, for example (though I've read they are losing strenght, again, this is Latin America, and everything returns to socialism, it's the fucking indigenous blood).

>>2171536
Truman is such an interesting person. He was like a beta who had sever oneitis and released the worlds strongest weapon.

>>2177128
>Took credit for programs Jimmy carter started and took effect while he was in office
>Incarceration rate more then tripled during his terms
>Iran-Contra scandal
>Lot of his legislation helps top 10%ers get away with shady shit they can now do today

I strongly disagree.
I disagree strongly

>it's a bunch of edgelords masturbate over Pinochet thread

Why are these retards so common on this site?

>>2171541

Only good answer on this thread

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>>2171522
>current wallpaper

>>2183386
>everything is a spook
>spook spook spook

your ideology is a spook

>>2171550
T.shitster who wants to blame pol

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>>2171522
The "Pinochet was a hero" trope is cancer. Fuck you. Him and his putos are all burning in Hell. Debate me.

T. Known Boss

>>2184305
>"The guy who did nothing wrong"
>Failed to exterminate ukrainians
>Failed to conquer Finland and assimilate their culture
>Failed to put the entiriety of europe under stalinist rule
Good meme

>>2184289
Why do you think a socialist Chile would have been better than the outcome that actually happened?

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>>2171522

>>2171560
Lee?

>>2173488
>>2173490

It's true though. He turned the USSR into what it needed to be to survive the Nazi invasion.

>>2184938
A country with a crippled general staff and a delusional leader?

Like, Hitler massed three million troops on the USSR border without Stalin picking up on what was about to happen or making preparations.

German soldiers literally walked across the frontier to tell them what was going to happen, and Stalin had them tortured.

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Obligitory

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A bit overrated by some, but she did what had to be done

>>2173240
why would somebody shoot a man before throwing him out of a helicopter?

>>2177651
marxianism is interesting tho, very juicy if you like to ponder over history.

seems to me every pragmatist in latin america would eventually become social-democrat (like, so you don't get raped by a mob of angry poor people). point is, it only gets you so far. best thing you can do is to grow your dick (military) so that other nations take into account what you think - recipe for economic success is political influence

>>2177157
She was beyond retarded and everyone fucking cheered when she died. Old cunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3dvb567v4s

>>2177524
>Oh shit son an MS paint comic

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>>2184903
Allende and his administration wasn't perfect, however, due to the nature of former Spanish holdings turned nation states in the New World - the blanco and castizo classes of landowners and gentry were going to resist any attempt to disenfranchise their stronghold over Chilean society. I'm not a Communist but being a Latin American Communist is much different than le epic Marxist of academia who could never survive on the calle. Furthermore, there is absolutely no recourse to the tortures inflicted upon the Chileans by their own military under Pinochet which can only be described as Satanic and beyond any concept of human decency. There remained widespread poverty and fear in the streets even though the old money of Chile was protected, keeping "economic stability" per second even though the moreno y mestizo classes got completely shit on during this time.

I lived in Nicaragua. I would have fought with the Sandanista because they were just trying to make sure their people could eat and go to school and the woman not get raped by the army.

Anyone who thinks Pinochet (and the military governments in Latin American in general) was a net negative is either a communist apologist or doesn't know shit about Latin American politics. Probably both.

>But Pinochet was bad, he tortured people and threw them into the ocean and--

Yes. That was bad. But we are talking on whether Pinochet was a NET positive or not, not whether he was an angel.

>brah, if Allende was so bad, just impeach him

Yeah, just do that. He is just a politician, right?

Christ, in Brazil the 2016 Rousseff impeachment led to one hell of a political and social crisis, with every leftist agitator being sent to the streets to break things, invade property and create chaos in general -- now imagine such a thing in a context of (1) Cold War (2) nowhere near the poor stability we have today (3) Cuban militias acting throughout the continent in an attempt at bringing revolution.

"just impeach him, brah" is not a solution, particularly if your guy is doing everything in his power to bring about socialism in collusion with (3).

But imagine if it could have been done. Imagine if Allende had been deposed through impeachment, replaced by some parliamentary weakling. What would have happened? The revolutionary militia would still be there, and they wouldn't have been quashed like they were by the military. If they didn't succeed at their goals, they probably would have been fought to a standstill, at which point they would have merged with the drug cartels and create a continent-wide FARC.

In that context, Pinochet (along with the Brazilian military junta) were the best things that could have possibly happened to their countries. Fuck your communist apologism.

>>2171523
Hogan defeating the Ultimate Warrior was indeed a turning point in US history

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>>2171522
Misread OP as:
>ITT we post based leaders who shaved their countries.

Pic related.

>>2186712

>>Revolutionary guerrillas in Chile

What the fuck are you talking about, merging with FARCs? What the fuck is this alternate reality.

>>2171548
sometimes, this shithole produces one of those rare posts.
This is one of them.

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>>2171522

>>2171557
The /pol/ is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a newfag, shitposter, normie, redditor, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him /pol/ and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>2186712
>>>/pol/

>>2185941
You fucking commie NIGGER , dont talk to my waifu like that !

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>>2186638
You have only regurgitated memes from Latin American left-wing historiography, you have not managed to prove that Chile under Allende would have seen a better result in the end than what happened under Pinochet.

Considering how things have turned out in Venezuela. Those "people who tried to make sure their people could eat and go to school", who wanted to enfranchise the mestizos and pardos, who did everything the Latin American Marxist had ever desired, managed to get power and implemented their desired policies. How did that turn out?

>>2186965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Left_Movement_(Chile)

They numbered 10,000 by the time Pinochet enacted his coup. Pinochet managed to crush them killing only 3.000 people. This is not a bloodthirsty tyrant, but a restrained leader who does like this. Remember that many Latin American intellectuals love Stalin, who would kill hundreds of thousands persecuting organizations that didn't even exist.

>>2185941
It was funny watching the same leftists who, when Osama bin Laden died, said that no one should cheer another human being death, cheering when Thatcher died.

Everytime the left exposes their hypocrisy they lose more support. I seriously believe this blatant case influenced the 2015 elections and Brexit later.

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>>2173555
It is.