What ethnicity were the Huns?

Nobody knows, the description if Atilla says he was stocky with a heavy brow and small eyes.

They came from the eastern steps, a lot of Hungarian culture derives from horse people and were originally nomads that settled. Whether they were the huns is unknown.

>>2165762
Chinese, everybody knows that

Black

>>2165762
Attilla didn't progress that far north, though he did draw support from allies in those sorts of regions.

>>2165762
kang

Huns

>>2165762
Hungarian

>>2165762
Almost certainly related to Xiongnu from the Eastern Steppes.

Also more likely Huns were remnants of Xiongnu that intermixed with locals and then later build an empire from it.

The huns were a multi ethnic, multicultural federation of many different tribes

>>2165762
Hunnic

We can't even say what language they spoke with any degree of certainty.

>>2165762
Turkic

>>2165762
There is a very good chance they were related to the Xiongnu but only the ruling class. The majority of the inhabitants were the people who had inhabited that land before them

>>2165762
Hungarian

>>2165762
Gothic.>>2165806
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>>2166359
Proofs?

>>2166384
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns#Origin

There's historical precedence, Xiongnu-Han war. There's linguistic evidence, in old Chinese, they were referred as Huna. A Yuezi Buddhist translator translates Huna as Xiongnu in 3rd century AD. Sogdian merchants refer to the Xiongnu who attacked northern China as "Xwn."
There are other third party like the 6th century Chinese historical book "Book of Wei" which describes that even though the Xiongnu empire fell centuries ago, the people living near the Altaic still identified themselves as Xiongnu.

etc etc etc

The controversy is probably due to some countries' nationalistic historical myth not matching to reality. Huns were multi-ethnic (mixed), with the ruling elites being Xiongnu in lineage. The Xiongnu were also a multi-ethnic confederacy/empire.

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>>2166384
Goths were cucks to Huns actually, Germanic cuckery's roots go deep

>>2166686

Fun fact: haplogroup Q doesn't exist between Sweden and the Yenisei river in Siberia.

Aryan Goth women sure savoured that Hunnic cock

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>>2165762
>"Empire"(?)

>>2165762
Hungarian

>>2165762

white

What ethnicity were the White Huns?

>>2168190
Hint: WE

Y'know, for such an important tribe/group of tribes, they're still pretty mysterious. I don't have the answer to this question but it's one of the more interesting things in history.

Personally I think they started as a steppe nomad tribe (one of the many) from further to the east than most theorize. I'm saying that because there's a general west/east pattern where the further west you go in Eurasia, the ethnic groups have more of an interest in permanence and permanent building and tend to leave behind artifacts in large numbers; further east you get the opposite, and much more unsettled behavior. But I'm just guessing.

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>>2168190
Came from the same Xiongnu area and then intermingled with locals in the south east. Its still a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural group. However chances are, the elites/ruling class are mongoloids.

>>2165781
Hungarians are finno-ugric and most likely not related significantly to the Huns

>>2165762
uiygher

ugro-finns

>>2165762
Kinda Mongolian

>>2168962
that pic is bull shit. the direct descendants of white huns today are the pashtuns of afghanistan and pakistan. also the baluchi and the gujjars are part of this to as well. if you know anything about the pashtuns, it is that almost half of them have the word "khan" in their names. many baluch and very rarely gujjars also have the word "khan" in their names. the south punjabi/rajastani rajputs are indeed descendants of huns as the map suggests. that is because they are gujjar-hun.

there were two invasions of huna into the land of indus river, "gurjara-huna" and "huna". these two were fighting each other when it all began.

an important character that indians consider a great hindu warrior was really a hun invader. I am talking about prithvi raj chauHAN. the chauHANs are a gurjara-hun tribe that were always at war with the huna tribes.

now here is the important part. the huns did not disappear into history. they are the ancestotrs of almost all the current indian upper caste aristocracies and brahmins. almost all the upper class elite of modern day india are descendants of this gujjar-hun and hun invasions. the religion called hinduism is also mostly gujjar-hun religions mixed with local indian religions of the time, contrary to the indian myth that hinduism is 5000 years old. the rig vedas do not have current "hindu" gods not beliefs. there are some rare mostly superficial similarites, but that is it.

also, more than half of pakistani population is descended from these gujjar-hun and hun invasions. also these huna later became "turushka"(turks). the turks are really just muslim huns. today they are called pashtuns/pakhtuns. also these invasions were not a one time thing. they in waves, big and small.

the invasions of the gurjara-huna and huna is well recorded. when the "indian" nationalists find out what is written in the books they claim to be their history and holy books, they will burn the books themselves.

>>2165762
they were asiatic

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>>2170814
linguistically they were closest to today's chuvash apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people

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>>2165762
I fucking hate these meme maps.

I'll make a better one for you.

Red is Hunnic rule, or vassal pink is sphere of influence.

>>2165762
ITT: people that don´t know the definition of ethnicity.

>this thread again
we need a sticky

>>2165762
Mongolian with some west Asian mixed in

>>2169074
Hungarians are genetically the same as Slavs from Central Europe.
They just speak Uralic language.

It's only Finns that got KHAN'd.

>>2171447

That's retarded.
Finns have 60% haplogroup N1c but this has a common ancestor with Lithuanians rather than any Asian people.
An Indo-European identity for the Finnish-Lithuanian N1c would make more sense.
There lived a people in Russia called the Fatyanovo-Balanovo Corded Ware, that's where Finnish genes come from so it's logical to assume that is also where Finnish-Lithuanian N1c comes from.
Original Finns were definitely genetically identical with Lithuanians and only got Asian admixture from Saami who have multiracial origins, but also some Scandinavian genes from the Germanic tribes who settled in Finland.

>>2171472
N1c is a fucking Uralic haplogroup.

Original inhabitants of Finland were l1 people, but their women got fucked by N invaders.

>>2171480

It's a Eurasian haplogroup that spread before Uralic languages even existed, based on the current distribution and age estimates of subclades.

The Finnish-Lithuanian ancestor may have joined Corded Ware in some forest of Belarus and his lineage may have had low social stature for a long time since R1a men were definitely the rulers of all Corded Ware at least in the beginning.

People like Mari, Udmurts tend to have a 2 to 1 ratio of N1c to R1a which might suggest something about it's frequency in the eastern Corded Ware. Maybe the low ranking members of Corded Ware society were more likely to join frontier settlements which amplified the frequency.

Udmurts have way more Corded Ware mitochondrial DNA than they have R1a so it doesn't make sense that only R1a would be Corded Ware.

Most Finns descend from like 1 guy who lived 2000 years ago so the frequency of R1a is beyond irrelevant.

>>2171497

Fenno-Lithuanian N1c was found in a Fatyanovo-Balanovo context in Smolensk from 2500 bc which is why I think it's Belarussian.

I except the Balanovo Corded Ware origin of it to be confirmed this year.
Anyone with a brain can see that Finns are Indo-European people who happen to speak Uralic.

>>2171513

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-L708/

So here's the family tree.

There's a 2000 year gap between Indo-European N1c(N-Z1936) and the closest relatives from the Volga, Chuvash being indigenous there despite their Turkic language.
2000 years is enough for it have travelled far west to Belarus.

It's possible that original Uralic people had their own N subclades but this has nothing to do with the Indo-European N1c which came with Indo-European mitochondrial DNA.

>>2171571

Oops made a mistake N-L1026 is the Indo-European N1c so the closest relative is found from West Estonia.

That changes nothing though Estonia is close to Belarus.