The women problem

>>2157868
>not toasting your marshmallow on the flames of civilisation
I don't think it'll change. You can join an isolated religious community, though.

Without getting into r/TheRedPill styled pseudosociology, I personally wonder if universal suffrage (in this case, specifically women's suffrage) was a bad thing.
Women are traditionally not raised with either the values that lead to more sound, rational voting nor are they expected to make the sacrifices on behalf of their nation and society that men do. Men are drafted to fight in a war if they so choose to call for one. Men hold the careers that provide for families, being the financial backbone of the family unit and play a greater roll in the economy.
There was a good reason that suffrage was limited to white, land-owning males. While it was not egalitarian, it was probably more prone to making the better decisions.

>>2158052
>There was a good reason that suffrage was limited to white, land-owning males. While it was not egalitarian, it was probably more prone to making the better decisions.
Yeah, like WW1. What a great decision, especially for Germany.

universal suffrage was a mistake

>>2158072
Two sexes was a mistake. Let women perish.

>>2158067
>because some mistakes are made and it wasn't a *completely perfect* system, we should own the floodgates to literally all suffrage
That's pretty fucking dumb logic

>>2157868
>and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta.
So what contributed to the Athenian defeat during the Peloponnesian war?

>>2158052
Peter Thiel wrote a piece on how Women's sufferage or rather democracy in general is not compatible with freedom. I tend to agree, it ultimately lets bogan plebs vote for more gubment and authority.

>>2158109
>democracy in general is not compatible with freedom
Can you explain? What other form of government allows more freedom?

>>2158121
A monarchy with a strict constitution in regards to civi/individual liberties.

>>2157868

The female only initiates & prolongs a relationship if there is a perceived advantage.

This is the case in all animal species.

Human beings are maladapted for a technological world. There's no Marxist conspiracy.

It is better to understand the root differences between the genders than to pretend men were never objectified for their resource provision.

>>2158209
>monarchy offers more freedom
please step away from the computer

How can you have freedom under hereditary rule that stems from divine right?

>>2158365
only americans think that freedom is not having too many bosses

>>2158365
Easy, place a constitution above them and breed and train the rulers to be good statesmen. Obviously the people would also be involved in the assembly but not democratically, rather by virtue of their output and land ownership.

>>2158365
Tradition. Monarchies were bound by an umpteenth number of traditions, written and unwritten, city and province charters, regional and municipal parliaments, etc... which restricted central royal power to, a degree unimaginable nowadays. Even so-called absolute monarchs like Louis the 14th of France had comparatively ridiculously limited powers compared to a modern chief of state.

>>2158464
>Even so-called absolute monarchs like Louis the 14th of France had comparatively ridiculously limited powers compared to a modern chief of state.
Oh come on.

>Monarchies were bound by an umpteenth number of traditions, written and unwritten, city and province charters, regional and municipal parliaments, etc...
Yup, it sure worked great for countries like Poland or HRE.

All married women's income should be the sole property of the husband.

>>2158052
>Women are traditionally not raised with either the values that lead to more sound, rational voting

There's no such thing as "sound, rational voting".

Read the book "The Myth of the Rational Voter".

>>2157868
women have the same IQs as men
jerk off to your pseudoscience though

>>2158489
>countries
>HRE
Opinion digarded. Holy shit you're an idiot.

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>>2158539
Yes it does you sperg. The whole myth of gender equality when it comes to intelligence is modern femenist pseudo science.

>>2158464
Codify those traditions. Good, now you have constitutional limitations on power that are applicable in systems other than monarchy.

>>2158433
Thanks for implying I'm american but kindly fuck off cunt

>>2158437
If you train the rulers to be good statesmen why even have hereditary rule? What you basically want is roman empire with a constitution

>>2158464
This still doesn't explain how freedom exists in such a regime

>>2158539
On average yes but how does that matter in this context? They are not fit to act as independant agents in a society without damaging it.

>>2158737
Because there would be no mechanism in place to expand centralized authority like in democracies.

Pleb here

>Aristotle explains in the Politics the great disadvantages which the Spartans brought upon themselves by granting too much to their women, by allowing them the right of inheritance and dowry, and a great amount of freedom; and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta

How?

>May it not be that the influence of women in France, which has been increasing since Louis XIII.‘s time, was to blame for that gradual corruption of the court and government which led to the first Revolution, of which all subsequent disturbances have been the result?

Also how?

>>2158762
>Because there would be no mechanism in place to expand centralized authority like in democracies.
Can a monarch not decide to break the numerous traditions?

Monarchies also usually had lots of restrictions on trade which stifles economic freedom. How would you work around that?

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>>2158052
Women are more risk averse and will vote as a fifth column for statism and socialism. They perceive the state as a provider and who needs a man when you have the collective of men known as a state? Whereas men see the welfare state as a scab to their role as husband, father and provider.

>>2157868
Women think that acting like egotistical teenagers after age 18 is normal, this is insane behavior and proof they are uncivilized wild animals compared to men who are more tame and refined in their actions where as women pride in acting like stupid animals watch as they show all of their skin, gladly take photos of themselves near nude to show to strangers, and randomly remove their clothing because showing your boobs or genitalia with friends to random people or flashing is fun in the screwed up animal brain of human women.

As much as my dick hates this women are shit and should completley removed from human society all together and reduced to rape toys to create new humans, the females will stay in the wilderness while the males will enter society.

>>2158770
Basically: Pleb was right. Banter is meaningless without proper context

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>ask girl out
>get rejected
>become butthurt
>go on /his/ and complain about woman

It's not only a "women problem", the problem also lies with their beta enablers, those who can't overcome their biological urge to see any woman as a potential mate and bend over backwards for them - which is exactly what women want. Giving women even more power, such that in some cases they're already better off than men, will tip the societal balance in their favor, but since most modern women have the mindsets of egotistical teenage girls, it really doesn't seem like a good thing. Not a misogynist, in fact it's more the way society treats people (especially this nu-feminism bullshit) that changes potentially decent women into attention-seeking cunts.

tl;dr womens suffrage isn't necessarily a bad thing, but modern society makes it so by producing shit-tier women.

>>2157868

>Give women voting rights
>A hundred years later lauded as one of the most modern and successful states in the world

Abstract kind of feel desu

>>2158677
source on graph?

>>2158677

>There are more stupid men than there are stupid women

>>2158895
Due to men not women, women have contributed jack fucking shit even after getting human rights.

>>2158873
I think, sadly, that it's mostly the fault od female biology. See the play Assemblywomen by Aristophanes, same shit more than 2k years ago.

>>2158539

I don't think the problem is the intelligence of women but their emotional cycles.

>>2158937
women being supposedly more emotional on average doesn't mean they shouldn't get the right to vote if men do
men are emotional too, just in other ways

if you are going to limit voting rights you just can't base it on gender, but on other individual characteristics

>>2158919
Most men don't need to vote either, tbqf.

>>2158955
we pretty much have that, it's the parliament where actual decisions on issues are made
votes don't matter that much

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Just came here to say soe is a cute.

>>2158943

Yes that would be the ideal way to tackle the problem but I doubt that during Ancient Times they had the means to do that so they just went with the odds.

>>2158784
No he can not as the Monarch is ultimately the defender of the constitution and answers only to it and not what some random prole wants.

The economy is a seperate issue.

>>2158052
>>2158072
this
>>2158970
<3

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Cripplechan is leaking hard with this thread.

>>2158365
You're confising who rules with how he rules. Common mistake for brainlets.

>>2158972
>The economy is a seperate(sic) issue.
you can't have actual freedom without economic freedom

>No he can not as the Monarch is ultimately the defender of the constitution
What if a particular monarch wants more power for himself?
What if he is about to be guillotined?
There's going to be some amendments there for sure

>>2159041
The capacity for good statemanship is there in every system of government. The same argument can be made for oligarchy, autocracy and democracy. Also, having a hardon for monarchy is not an argument

>>2157868
>Is there a way we can fix this problem or do we just watch it all go down?
Just strip them off their "rights".

Problem solved.

So this is the power of """""""""humanities"""""""""". Whoa.

>>2159077
Not at all. They didn't have rights at some point but they gained them through emotional blackmail and pandering, they'll do the same again. Women have to physically cease to exist as a species.

>>2157868
>> Aristotle explains in the Politics the great disadvantages which the Spartans brought upon themselves by granting too much to their women, by allowing them the right of inheritance and dowry, and a great amount of freedom; and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta

what's the correlation between all of that?

>>2159152
Nothing. Men in patriarchal societies were misogynists.

>>2159095
women and men belong to the same biological species sperglord

>>2159163
You're the asperger here.

>>2157868
>One ancient nation didn't do too well because they gave women rights, according to a history written by a philosopher who lived in a society who perpetually made fun of how absurd it would be to give women rights.
>t. a guy who beat up an old lady and cheated his mother and sister out of money

>Therefore it's ok to think that I can't find a job, have no friends and can't get a gf because we gave women equal rights

>On an unrelated note, why don't we go back to the time where I could just pay some dude for his daughters? I mean, it worked in the past, right?

/r9k/ is leaking hard.

I want /r9k/ to leave

>>2158539
>missing the point this hard

Exactly what I expected from a woman desu

No self-insight whatsoever

>>2159095
Artificial womb soon.

>>2159172
Womeh have to suffer.

>>2159172
>>2159173
Back to rabbit

>>2159172
Way too project. And in fact it would be better if women/potential wifes were bought and sold or exchanged since for a male to put effort in modern social dynamics is time consuming and unproductive.

>>2159238
>modern social dynamics are time consuming
Yes.
>unproductive.
No.

>>2159317
Wouldn't it be better to just buy a wife and use the time more wisely such as a productive hobby or socio-cultural gathering?

>>2158109
Freedom is nothing but a meme.

>>2157868
But the Spartans BTFO'd Athens just 20 years before Aristotle was born.

>>2159396
says man lived an affluent life in the western world

>>2158869
I was thinking the same thing.

>>2158846
Men think that acting like egotistical teenagers after age 18 is normal, this is insane behavior and proof they are uncivilized wild animals compared to women who are more tame and refined in their actions where as men pride in acting like stupid animals watch as they fart loudly, gladly take photos of their dick to show to strangers, and randomly remove their clothing because showing your cock with friends to random people or pissing in the street is fun in the screwed up animal brain of human men.

>>2159451
Yes. Where pure freedom doesn't exist.

>>2157868
Op you say women are now only interested in cock "carasel rides" until they are used up and unfit for marriage. can you please tell me how many cocks a women has to have before she is unfit, and what being unfit for marriage actually means in the case of population decline when marriage is not an inherent necessity in reproduction?

>>2159617
t. butthurt slut

>>2159640
not butthurt just confused as to the metric their using for this, since in my 25 years on this earth I have never heard that to much sex can actually make a women unfit for marriage until i started reading this site.

>>2159617
>how many cocks a women has to have before she is unfit

it's not so much the number of cocks, as even more than one cock is too many desu.

It's about the amount of time some women spend riding this "cock carousel". Some of them ride for so long they pass their reproductive prime and LITERALLY cannot produce the same number of quality children as she could have if she had gotten married earlier.

>>2159617
Zero. A female should be prevented from taking any cock because all cocks should belong to other men, females should be farmed and artificially inseminated like cattle until we develop artificial wombs and can finally off them for good.

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>>2159649
I guess the idea is that men find it hard to accept that a woman who has ridden the "cock carousel" or whatever and suddenly decides to stop for some arbitrary reason won't actually be a faithful wife or a good mother since she'll always be inclined to go back to her old ways. There's no solid number, it's more a general guide. Would you want to marry a man who has been extremely promiscuous but suddenly decides to stop and wants to marry you?

>>2159655
In that case shouldn't we take this one step further and only allow men to reproduce until the age of 35 when the chance of their sperm containing some deficiency (down syndrome, dyslexia, etc) goes up dramatically?

>>2159674
Oh course not and that why im saving myself for my wedding nigh with my perfect virgin bride

>>2159675
Its the worn out eggs that cause birth defects, in denial women.

>>2159675
>age of 35 when the chance of their sperm containing some deficiency (down syndrome, dyslexia, etc) goes up dramatically?

this effect is more severely pronounced in females

but honestly this might not be a bad policy, maybe people would actually get their shit together.

>>2159674
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QPnsHoU2Pzk/T3GylzESIiI/AAAAAAAAAYI/4USMzLGzm-A/s640/Heritage.jpg

statistics bear out the fact if you ride the cock carousel you don't make a good wife

>>2159674
If you don't like something don't do it.
One night stands can be magical and beneficiall stress relief.
Kys

>>2159684
True but we cant forget that the male sperm has some effect in this process, therefore we need to eliminate all but the most alpha male. this sadly will exclude myself and most men on this board from ever being able to procreate, but i suppose if its for the betterment of human kind who am I to argue.

>>2157868
>and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta
Really now? It was the women who caused the fall of Sparta?

Not say their horrendous cast system and treatment of slaves?

>>2159702
> one night stands can be magical

t. shallow slut

>>2159693
Where is this data taken from? any country in particular, without proper citations i have to assume its fake.

>>2159705
>therefore we need to eliminate all but the most alpha male

so you want your lineage to die out in three generations because everybody would be marrying their siblings?

It doesn't follow, and you're reaching really hard to justify dangerous and childish promiscuity.

>>2159710
clearly you've never tried one

>>2159702
So what you're saying is you'd rather seek temporary and sinful distractions from life's problems instead of working to change them? Yeah, I know, say hello to 99% of the human race, including me. Fuck it. But it still doesn't mean you'd be a good long-term partner, let alone husband/wife.

>>2159715
Ok, fair enough it is a little bit of a reach, but where is the cut off line then, how long before a man or women reaches the point where they no longer can produce the optimal child and should be thrown out like the trash they are?

>>2159714
http://www.livescience.com/55104-sex-partners-and-divorce.html
http://family-studies.org/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability/
too lazy to go find the actual case study atm so have two articles about it
>>2159720
of course not, I'm not a hedonist

>>2159722
For you not. Us discussing here is a temporary and sinful distraction.
+They are needed. You'll see when you grow up.

>>2159722
MUH 1%

>>2159736
>where is the cut off line
>how long before a man or women reaches the point where they no longer can produce the optimal child

what if I told you it's different depending on environmental and genetic factors?

What if I told you ""race"" matters in these kinds of calculations?

>>2159740
Thank you for the links. the first is concerning as it only seems to pull data from the first 5 years of these marriages and neglects to mention divorce rates past that. I would be interested in seeing rates following this as ive always read that most marriages dissolve past the 5 year mark anyway, and since the best way to stop premarital sex among women (according to your second link) is to have strong family dynamics which emphasize this.

>>2159756
I would ask for some studies from acknowledged sources that I could look at that would prove the dominance of one race over another in these particular factors.

>>2159792

"blacks" generally reach sexual maturity faster than "whites" for example.

>>2159706
shh dont ruin the r9k circlejerk

>>2159706
Considering those things never cause the fall of anything, but the relaxing of those things, and the fact that caste societies are extremely stable makes me think no.

>>2159798
Ok but that just seems like some unsubstantial claim, which is again why i asked for some sort of source which i could draw my own conclusions from, also could you please explain to me what defines a white, ive always been confused if this includes only europeans or slavic peoples as well?

>>2159833
>what defines a white

>>>/pol/

>>2158052
You're a good and honest man, anon. Just thought I'd say that.

>>2159840
He is good and honest in your limited set of views and expectations.

>>2159702
t. literally pozzed

>>2157868

Watch it all go down. The planet needs a break from humans

I used to be one of these edgy losers who read Schopenhauer and thought women should be restricted in voting then I stopped being so retarded and actually looked it up.

If you look at the voting record for the past 20 years of British elections, women have voted generally the exact same way as men, they may be slightly (VERY SLIGHTLY) more likely to vote for a liberal party but the percentage is so miniscule (1-2%) that it is not worth thinking about.

I grew out of Schopenhauer, his greatest works (The World as Will and Representation) still remains fresh in my mind as a mighty and life-changing work. Nonetheless, his views on women reflect his age of time and are not applicable to our modern era.

It would be especially nonsensical to do such a thing considering the educative quality of the time compared to now where women are leading in University attendance compared to their male counterparts.

Recent elections show that (if I remember correctly) 60% of White Women voted for Donald J. Trump where as Black Women (understandably so, black men did too) voted far higher in majority of Clinton.

This idea that 'Women' as a general, ethereal or monolithic conception have unwittingly sought the destruction of civilisation is incredibly childish and in fact, serves to elucidate the speaker who makes such a claim as being historically illiterate.

I personally subscribe to the Tainter viewpoint that societal collapse is more due to diminishing returns. This is well argued in his book 'The Collapse of Complex Societies'.

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>>2159897
The argument women make against men for plaguing wars, I believe, is a very good one. I am reminded of a little anecdote. After FDR gave his mighty and famous 'December 7th' speech, the house went to vote on declaring war. All in the house but one voted against, that one was a woman, I forget her name but she was the only woman there who could vote and she said something along the lines of "I will not send young men to war" or "It is not my place to send young men to die". I thought it was very moving.

All in all, I see this to be a rather childish debate.

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>>2157868
pls no Soeposting in /his/

>>2159899
>All in the house but one voted against

All in the house but one voted for*

>>2159829
Anon in Sparta at the top you had the warriors, the true Spartans. Everyone below that where slaves and not warriors, when they had enough, revolted and left Sparta was unable to recover because the Spartans only knew war

>>2159897
Seeking destruction is a gross exaggeration but I don't think you can argue that of the two genders, one has more self serving tendencies. This is understandably so, from a biological perspective it ensures the survival of our species. This is very beneficial for a small group of people, not for society as a whole, which is what is argued.

>>2158869
This.

4chins is really not the place for information about the female psyche.

Fuck women, simply fuck them. Every problem in the world comes from them and I am tired of hearing otherwise from some shitter that got some poon.

>>2158121
>What other form of government allows more freedom?
A form of government where no one can vote himself other people's money. So that would be ancapism I guess for Peter Thiel. >inb4 strawman about it becoming a total state in less than 24 hours
It's less a problem of democracy and more a problem of the nature of government.

>>2159897
The majority of women in Europe vote for leftard parties opening the floodgates for thousands of literal subhumans who want to rape them.

The most obvious example of this are the elections in Austria. And yes there are "right wing" women but looking at them as an organism they simply wreck nations.

>>2160048
>majority of men in Europe vote for leftard parties

???

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>>2158052
>Without getting into r/TheRedPill styled pseudosociology
>Proceed with pseudosociology

>>2160048
>The majority of women in Europe vote for leftard parties opening the floodgates for thousands of literal subhumans who want to rape them.

Except this isn't fucking true if you actually look at the statistics, retard. Kill yourself.

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>>2160048
>Blaming women for the refugee crisis
kek

>>2158085
by that reasoning communism should be given a chance

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>>2158067
>Thinks the Central Powers were responsible for WWI

>>2160087
If you agree with communism in principle.. Yes? By your reasoning reasoning, we should shut down capitalism because some mistakes are made and it wasn't a completely perfect system.

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>>2160084

>Blaming Christians for the refugee crisis

literally kek

it's atheists and "spiritual" liberals pushing that m8t

>>2157868
Hahaha i think Shopenhauer was a nut. Just because an idiot wrote something a long time ago does not mean it is true.

I think men and women complement each other and i think mankind will reach its greatest potential and greatest achievements when men and women work together.

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>>2158869

Not an argument

>>2160150
Only by acknowledging men and women are different, and have different roles they're natural drawn to can human potential be fulfilled. That's truly working together.

>>2160173
Exactly we complement each other.

Its like me and my wife, often when i think i know best she puts forth an argument or a point of view that i never thought of and it turns things 180 degrees around.

We really think differently or we have different angles, i have no idea but usually the sum of our discussions or decision making leads to the best results, at least for us.

>>2158092
Pederasty.

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>>2160209

Of course males and females think differently. Our thought patterns are necessarily more similar to each other than different from one another, but qualitative and more importantly quantitative differences remain both obvious and subtle.

this graph may not be precise, but demonstrates the basic idea well enough.

>>2160126
>it's atheists and "spiritual" liberals pushing that m8t

>Angela Merkel
>Leader of the CDU (Christian Democrat Party)


Really makes me think!

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>>2160084

>>2160273
>Angela Merkel
>woman
Checks out

>>2160235
asking again
source for these curves, this one too>>2158677

before we can discuss what actually is depicted there

>>2159238
>finding a gf is too much work
>why can't I just buy one from a store?
Your consumerist ideology is showing

>>2160276
lol, like the attacker didn't have agency and it's society's fault somehow, these girls made him do it
like all the refugees did the attack

>>2160287
Psst...cuck

>>2160150
>Calling Schopenhauer an idiot.

Yeah it's not like he predicted a lot of scientific theories like natural selection/evolution and the quantification and workings of colors and being an influence of people such as Albert Einstein, Adolf Hitler, Carl Jung, Wittgenstein etc.

>>2160299
All funnier is it's coming from a woman and there never has been a woman who wasn't a failure.

>>2160048
The refugee crisis was directly caused by destabilisation of the Arab region because of the cold war/ oil money/ neocon interventionism/ the weapons industry.

Before that immigrants were mainly pushed by employers who needed a cheap source of labour

It's got shit all to do with gender.

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>>2158869
"Rejections", take time away from things like defending, producing, innovating, exploring.

Why should women be given the ability to reject, when all this does is cause men to devote more time for looking for a mate and less on more important developments/survival?

Serious Question.

I can understand allowing the father the ability to choose his daughters husband but a woman has shown time and time again to choose socially advantageous average men over socially adverse exceptional men.

>>2160312
Marie Curie?

>>2160508
You're saying she was a tranny?

Genital mutilation of the male child is the hallmark of the female dominated group. Blackball these people.

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>>2160109
Hmmmm

Women arguments ITT:

>you are a virgin
>you were rejected by a woman
>no woman will ever let you fuck her

What do they mean by this?

>>2160851
>Russian backed Slavs
>Anglo-French treaty
>American bankers
Hmmmmm

>>2160338
The people pushing for immigrants are not the people that vote for more immigrants.

Construction companies, land lords and big businesses want more immigrants but the people that go out and vote, supporting these people are mostly women.

>>2157868
Comparing modern womens right to Spartan property rights is not an argument. Its apples to hamburgers

>>2160868
It means that women and cucks are absolutely incapable making a point without chimping out and spewing ad hominems.

>>2160338
Immigrants trying to come in isn't the problem, European countries letting the in is. It's easy to just sink the fucking boats.

>>2157868
>>2158052
>>2158072
>>2158109
>>2158810
>>2158846
>>2158873
>Claims that womens suffrage was a mistake when it immediately preceded the most peaceful and prosperous era in all of human history

>>2160940
>women get the vote around 1920
>bloodiest war in human history starts within 20 years

Really makes you hmmm

Schopenhauer was a /r9k/ edgelord who got rejected by every woman he ever showed interest in.

>>2160955
woman had absolutely nothing to do with causing WW1. That was all treaties and revolutionary movememts, things that men spearheaded. Woman at that point in history, even as voters, had little power in the machinations of warfare. I imagine a world without women would be a terrible place, with men fighting and having nothing to come home to and make them human again.

>>2157868

>nations and civilizations currently facing decline

Worst fucking meme in culture right now

>>2157868
Aristotle also said that women had less teeth than men

>>2160940
Peace and prosperity mean nothing when men are no longer the kings of their families.

>>2161019
I'm talking about WW2, brainlet.

>>2161039
>Being this much of a beta cuck

>>2161040
and women somehow caused WW2? You'll find yourself making an equally weak argument.

>>2161046
>He doesn't conform to the modern emasculation.

>He must be a cuck.

>>2160955
>women started ww2

Epic post, brainlet.

>>2161050
>>2161061

Of course they did, women were the single biggest demographic electing Hitler. Look it up.

>>2161050
The point was to refute the idea that it brought peace you fuckwit

>>2161062
They only voted him in due to the Great Depression. Women are caring and do not wish for the standards of their lives or their children's lives going down.

Hitler also made much propaganda to entice women into voting for him.


We can play this game all day, you can blame women, you can blame the great depression, you can blame Britain, you can blame Poland. There is no ONE reason ww2 started.

>>2161062
and you think the diplomatic situation wasn't already going to inevitably lead to another war? You know nothing of history, there was century-old bad blood on on that franco-german border that wasn't going going to end with anything else but more war. We're talking about a human civilization that that has been in a constant state of war for all all of recorded history, and yet somehow war wouldn't have happened if one man didn't get elected.

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>>2159016
It is really that easy to tell?????

>>2161071
>women are caring
Women are the most sociopathic creatures in mankind. Men care about other people while women hate even other women, how come there is nothing like a real camaraderie and "sisterhood" among women and it's just one gigantic spectacle of backstabbery?

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>>2159901
>chestlet
>stupid tattoos
>dump facial expression
>boy hair

>>2161090
>Not secretly imagining its a boy anyway

what are you, gay?

>>2161089
>Women are the most sociopathic creatures in mankind.

t. Son of a Single Mother

>>2161050
>dude women's suffrage led to peace and prosperity lmao
>WW2 doesn't count

>>2161101
You got me there. That only proves my point though as I can speak from experience.

>>2160940
>prosperity
Great Depression

>peace
WW2

>>2161050
>if there's peace it's because of the women
>if there's war women have nothing to do with it even though they elected the guy who started the war

Smelly, dumb, female scum.

When did this board get so retarded?

>>2161109
You'll grow out of it one day, friend.

It shall come.

>>2161101
>ad hominem
As expected.

>>2160892
>>2160868

>>2161114
when /pol/ showed up the first day

>>2161118
MUH INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSION ON A GERMAN POLKA HISTORIAN FORUM

>>2161123
>stop trying to have actual discussions lmao
>also fuck /pol/

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Posts like this just make me hate 4chan. Not all of us project our sexual frustrations onto all women (and all of history, apparently).

>>2161123
>MUH INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSION
Can't really expect that from a female now can I?

>>2161115
Kindly fuck off.

>>2161141
/pol/ is the opposite of discussion you nitwit. I'd more intellectual insight from watching paint dry

Heterosexuality was a mistake.

>>2161144
I imagine you also look like the pic you posted.

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>>2161144
>muh sexual frustration
It's an intellectual argument, stop being such a conditioned pussy

Here's a rare Egyptian Pepe

>>2161148
That's the joke

>>2161147
Don't worry, friend.

It'll come one day.

>>2161118
t. Guy who looked at Fallacy Imagechart

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>>2161151
He's a pretty handsome chap, I don't really see the issue.

I take it you look like this?

>>2161159
>dude eventually you will become apathetic and brainwashed just like me

>>2161172
>Calls others apathetic
>Waaaah I hate my single mom


Wow, Really makes ya think.

>>2161153
How is blaming all of history's failures on women an intellectual argument? I know you focus a lot on your virginity, but don't disguise it as anything but your own inadequacy and personal shortcomings.

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>>2161178
I'm not that guy. Also pic

>>2161168
The guy with the glasses looks like the type I used to bully in middle school. The second guy looks like a top lad I would have a beer with.

>>2161102
Didn't know we voted into ww2

>>2161182
Instead of calling people virgins, why don't you, you know, actually engage and argue with them? You're just virtue-signaling like a redditor right now.

>>2161186
Gross. Western society truly is doomed.

>>2161192
Why would I engage with this drivel? Are you great negotiator?

ITT

>Wow you hate women? You probably never go out and never see any women and only read /r9k/ maymays?
>Oh so you DO meet women and you had a shit experience with your girlfriend / mom / whatever, in my mind this completely invalidates your argument lmao

>>2161089
I've lived with women all my life and I can vouch for this. This is why women don't run companies. They can't work together

>>2161182
>Trying to use your holes as an asset on a Burmese trading card forum
Your opinion isn't valid hun, let the men talk.

>>2161185
>thinks every discussion is argument based

Wow, back to the Fallacy chart for you!

Really makes me think.

>>2161194
So you're too close-minded to even consider it? Sounds pretty reddit tbqh

>>2161200
>Let me the men talk

>cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck

I see...

>>2161202
>thinking I have to take some faggot calling me a virgin seriously

>>2161192
>Instead of calling people virgins, why don't you, you know, actually engage and argue with them? You're just virtue-signaling like a redditor right now.

Instead of calling people virtue-signallers, why don't you, you know, actually not type like a redditor for once? Like totally?

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>>2161208
I do what I want.

>>2161195
Cringe post.

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>>2161204

>somebody makes a retarded argument with zero consistency

>I'm not going to waste my time arguing with this.

>You close-minded bruh? You reddit or what?

just fucking shoot me

>>2161205
You're only proving my point further by posting unintelligible nonsense.

>>2161207
Must have hurt you pretty bad. Say it again. Give me another (you).

>>2161207
Never called you a virgin.

Are you paranoid?

>>2161213
>claiming you're right with no argument
>still feeling superior to others

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>>2161214
Why are you at the men's table? Let the men talk, you said it yourself honey.

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>>2161215
>>2161216
Virgin, r9k, single mother, immature, etc it's the same shit

>>2161150
Indeed. I imagine for heterosexuals it's like heroin, deep down they actually KNOW women are fucking evil but they have to hang out with them thanks to biological urges. So they just try to administer it with moderation and many of them end up overdosing anyway.

>>2161212
Cringe gender.

>>2161216
bahahahahah he's so mad, I love it.

I love how much far-right politics is based on just basic Oedipal desires. These idiots are projecting so hard. I should give Mass Psychology of Fascism another read.

>>2158914
>there are more smart men than there are smart women

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>>2161231
>muh fascism
Fascists deem women as something precious and valuable and to be protected in order to save the white race.

To me, the lowest male nigger or an Arab is a million times more valuable than any white woman, since at least he's a man.

>>2161195
>>Oh so you DO meet women and you had a shit experience with your girlfriend / mom / whatever, in my mind this completely invalidates your argument lmao
If you don't know why this is a perfectly reasonable way to shit on you, you have no businesses being here. You're using anecdotal evidence.

The only American I know is a fat manlet who voted for Hillary. Am I justified in believing all Americans are fat manlets who voted for Hillary?

Men tend to be the less intelligent on average. Your run-of-the-mill masculinity is basically:

>Cars, girls, and sports.

Ooga-booga, like apes. Anti-intellectualism comes from men, but somehow, there are also great men who rise above this. Could it be possible that not all men -- and thus not all women -- are of the same intellect, and cannot possibly be accounted as all the same thing?

Scary, right?

>>2161223
>Shit he called me on my bullshit so I'm just going to post absolute nonsense and hope it throws him off
Interesting shill strategy, desu I haven't seen it before but it's kind of weak. At least try to offer up an opposing narrative or something
>>>/leftypol/

>>2161231
You realize that the Oedipus complex has been pretty thoroughly discredited?

>>2161240
>masculinity is muh sitcom stereotypes
I hate this feminist meme. Masculinity is strength.

>>2161238
Are you gay? No, you can't be -- that would invalidate your manhood! But you only deem men to be precious? Tough life.

>>2161239
You don't notice the doublething?

On one hand, you should dismiss abstract theories and second hand analysis, because you don't speak from experience.

On the other hand, you should also completely dismiss experience, since it's an anecdote.

Basically you don't accept any argument against women as valid.

>>2161252
>homosexuality invalidating manhood
Quite the opposite, it's the pinnacle of manhood and freedom from cunt slavery.

ITT: Femanons getting mad that they'll never be as good as men at being masculine
But such is the course of feminism I suppose

>>2161258
>freedom is not propagating your genes
Cuck

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>>2161250
>masculinity is strength

Masculinity is Ahmed is banging muh white womenz while you complain about it on /pol/, LARPing that you're some strong, manly man. Pathetic, really.

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>>2161260
Literally penis envy

>>2161261
Artificial wombs are close to becoming reality, then I will.

>>2161258
Nice, at least you're consistent. Cool.

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>>2161262
>assumptions

>>2161263
>Implying any of Freuds rantings were correct
I see you learned your psychology from eavesdropping on soccer moms.

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>she doesn't even have Y chromosome

/r9k/ is a silent cancer

>>2161262
Gotta make me laugh that you have to prove your point by saying "but other man is doing what you aren't!". Typical cunt behavior, divide and conquer tactics and trying to seed conflict between men. Get beheaded.

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>>2161273
>implying he was incorrect
I'm willing to bet money that you have a hot mom and are in denial

>>2161277
No, it just shows the utter irony in your point. I can be against reactionary Islamic masculine bullshit and still call out your pathetic LARPing of being a strong man. How about neither?

>>2161293
Any man by default is stronger than any woman unless he's crippled.

>>2161275
No, it's pretty vocal.

>>2161279
My mother's a super skinny blond, I prefer curvy brunettes. I find it so easy to shit on Freud because none of it seems to hold true anecdotally at all. I don't think I've ever seen someone have an explicit preference for women that look like their parent.

ay what's her instagram tho

>>2161156
Thank you for posting this anon

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>>2161255
I accept any argument regarding anything that's backed with something more than your butt and experiences.

>>2161255
>argument against women
Where? It's mostly just few /r9k/ anons whining about women being whores. And Schopenhauer was a known women hater. That's hardly a good source. Can you provide any historical facts that women are responsible for the decline of civilizations?

>>2160955
>>2161113
Do you think having ww1 and 2 as well a the great depression were held by a referendum or some shit?

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What is with the presumption that women are equal(whatever that means)?

Why is nobody justifying this argument?

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>>2157868
>mfw country has a mandatory draft for 8/11 months
>mfw it's only mandatory for men though
living the feminist dream

>>2157868
>the female in it's modern form
what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Humans aren't all that different from what they were even 10k years ago.

>>2157868
>Louis XIII
Almost 200 years before the revolution. It's like saying the Western civilization decline started in 19th century when Europe was ruling the world. Funny enough France under the rule of Louis XIII and Louis XIV was also the most powerful country in Europe.

I guess Germany's decline started when Germany was created.

>>2159238
>social dynamics too time consuming and unproductive

Spotted the legitimate autist

>>2161355
I don't really mind women being whores, I mind women existing.

>>2161379
Yeah, it was called the German elections and Hitler won it mostly thanks to women.

>>2161478
But most of the men voted for Hitler as well, and the German government only had men in it at the time.

Therefor men started world War 2, you can't refute this

>>2161258
Amen, brother.

>>2161403
>He doesn't have a robot waifu
top kek

>>2161355
Women's sexual restraint/chastity correlates strongly with civilizational stability and cultural progress.

Modern women are whores who fuck around and don't save themselves for marriage.

>>2158433
Congratulations on being a retard. For someone on a history board you sure do know very little about history.

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>>2161050

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>>2161299
>Any man by default is stronger than any woman unless he's crippled.

Are you crippled?
Are you stronger than these women?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv-ir9LlLOo

Sure you are.

>>2161561
>Women's sexual restraint/chastity correlates strongly with civilizational stability and cultural progress.
Please provide some examples.

>>2161561

women always reflect their society and culture, you could say women manifets their societies culture completely and so maintain it

in other words, even tho this is true for all humans, women behave the way their culture tells them to

so if you want women to be chaste or whatever, you make that kind of culture

also, women 'saving themselves for marriadge' is bullshit, the real problem is that promiscuity indirectly fucks up birthrates and family dinamics, as in simply, people are less prone to settle down when they can just fuck around till 40

>>2162417
I would say that getting a proper education and/or job is more important to those women than promiscuity and fucking around till 40.

>>2162400

generaly human males are physicaly stronger and emotionaly more stable than women, this is what healthy levels of testosterone do to the organism, physicaly and mentaly it makes the organism more robust and dominant, even if constantly horny

there are other basic differences, all obviously pointing to the fact male and female organisms have different functions which realy only make sense if they function together as a population

this is basic biology, regardless of how a female athlete or a farmworker would probably be stronger than most guys on 4chan

>>2161151
>looking like based louis thorax is bad now
redditors baka

>>2162427

youd be wrong in that this is part of the same thing, the notion that a woman in todays developed capitalist society of the western variety is assumed to be supposed to get 'a proper education and/or job' goes hand in hand with same woman being more or less expected to fuck around till at least her early 30is

i mean in most middle class and higher education demographics people getting married in their 20is is seen as weird behavior, a woman being pregnant in her 20is is seen as a excess, a misfortune

the period when a woman is expected to acomplish this 'a proper education and/or job' is exactly the period betveen around 16 and 30-something when she is healthiest and most fertile, the period in which, historicaly, people settled down in stable relationships and had most kids

>>2162470
Except it happens in pretty much all developed countries. From rich patriarchal societies like Japan or religious conservative countries like Poland to liberal Western democracies.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/02/less-sex-please-were-millennials-study
>Ongoing US research shows more adults aged 20-24 report having no sexual partner than those at the same age group born in the 60s, 70s and 80s
>The trend was also greater for women than for men: the authors found that 2.3% of women born in the 1960s are sexually inactive, compared to 5.4% of those born in the 1990s.

>>2162494

thats what i said

those are all developed capitalist societies of the vestern variety

i mean come on japan or south korea are a part of 'the west' as much as minesota

>>2158365
>hereditary rule

A king is only as strong as the rest of his country's powerful men. There were always lords and generals under kings that could stop him if they wished. No leader has ever been absolute, and in a way a monarch is still held up by a democratic system, for if he's unliked he won't last. Leaders back then knew this and thus didn't rule with a false sense of impunity.

Leaving leadership up to nature to decide ensures that the strongest rule, not the most popular. Our unnatural system is a joke, it's like picking the most popular kid in highschool to lead us.

>>2161393
Not for long. The next draft will be both men and women. So calm down, neckbeard.

>>2162443
>emotionally more stable
I'm skeptical of this claim. Have you ever been to a bar or a club? Men hide their emotions better, sure, but to claim that they are more "emotionally stable", I think is mis-characterizing men in general. Men absolutely get emotional - particularly when their egos/sense of dominance are threatened.

>>2162773

men are generaly more emotionaly stable, women are more prone to being overemotional and impulsive, generaly have less emotional control, even if thats also a culture thing, and statisticaly things like depression and various disorders aflict women more than men, its just a thing about neurochemistry, hormones and this and that, im not saying men dont get emotional and having a dick makes you immune to mental health issues or something, its statistics

>>2162794
>implying you don't chimp out in every HAPPENING thread

You realize you're just projecting your insecurity, right?

>>2162794
I think it really comes down to what emotions you're looking at, specifically. Women don't typically engage in bar fights, for example (they do, but not at the same rate as men). Men tend to get more physically violent with outsiders than women. I'm not sure if you ever attended public school, but you're typically not going to meet very many female bullies to the extent that they are engaging in physical altercations. Men express their emotions more physically whereas women tend to be more catty / emotionally aggressive.

>>2162794
re: your point regarding depression and disorders, women may be more afflicted by those things because they are more prone to seek help for those types of things. Men, on the other hand, are basically just told to shut up and color, and often don't seek help or treatment at nearly the same rate as women.

>>2162811
hahahahaha

>>2162794
Just looking at the pathetic state of 4chan, and all the emotionally-stunted (mostly) men on these boards, I don't even follow your logic really. Have you ever spoken to men outside of your screen about anything other than cars and women?

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>>2158052
>women vote Democrat in America
>hurr women everywhere are genetically incapeble of voting rationally
>the way they vote in the US must have nothing to do with one party wanting to ban abortinons

You need to get your head out of your ass. Globally women don't vote very differently from men. The main difference is that women tend to vote less for radical parties. They are first and foremost against sudden change and for stability, which is pretty rational when you think about it.

And women are not responsible for immigration either, pic related and Black Pigeon Speaks is a liar.

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>>2161109
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahah

>>2162812

fighting and violence isnt exactly a way to express emotion, at least not consciously, except anger or fear but those are often outbursts, loss of self control, but even when violence is motivated by emotions, and basicaly most behavior is in some way, the violence itself, especialy among men, is not necesarily expressing the emotion itself, if anything emotions are often numbed during violence, or in more screved up cases they are expressions of basicaly positive emotional states, like lots of people just like to fight, do shit like mass streetfights for the thrill of it or 'teambuilding' like footbal fan clubs do, even bullying is actualy a behavior emotionaly aimed at getting amusement and stress relief, momentary satisfaction, from someone elses suffering, even if its all about dominance and group status

another thing about male violence is that its often a way to cope with, avoid or reject some emotional content or need, to relief it rather than to express it, the behavior might be emotionaly motivated but its not actualy a expression of it, that might be to run away, or submit, or beg, become depressed or just do nothing, so the violence is a reaction against that emotion

in fact a whole lot of violence among men are based on things like order or principle, custom, also status and group belonging and so on, like men will fight over a insult but that often dosent realy mean a lot of basic emotion is involved, men will fight seemingly random people for reasons like group belonging but while this is a basic male behavioral pattern the violence itself isnt the same as expressing a emotion

also men often go to places where being emotional is aceptable, like bars for example, and emotional expression there is often more frequent precisely because its a safe place to relief oneself, get drunk and act like a irrational idiot, same man would probably not behave the same way in the street or in the workplace for example, unless hes mentaly unstable

>>2159506
>I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I
Typical female behavior

>>2162894
fighting solely over group belonging is ok guys, oh and 'custom', 'principle' and 'honor' - not irrational and rooted in base emotions at all

nigga called me a punk ass bitch nigga so i shot the muhfugga ded nigga

t.you

>>2161385
It is based on beta males being too hoped up on oxytocin to think rationally, alpha males see women are fucktoys and not worth shit unless they are their relatives. Beta males are in love and see their wife as a perfect being thus equal meanwhile the beta male's wife sees him as a thing to use and abuse and its up to him to beat her when she gets out of line, but Beta male never does this so she hops on the cock of another man because shes a fucking woman this is their true polygamous whore nature.

>>2162812
Women are sadist they prefer psychological pain rather than physical pain compared to men, we just throws fist and call it a day women will work to fuck eachother over for months or years they are the most evil of the two genders on earth.

>>2162920
if this isn't bait please kill yourself

>>2162920
women have oxytocin too and it has an actual biological role aside from the speculative "trust" thing

it's actually a much more important hormone for women

but no, you have to make up stuff to justify you being an alt-sjw

>>2162934
Aw whats wrong pussy? You mad your girlfriend would rather fuck a criminal than you? Because all women crave violent savage cold hearted men, they cannot fall in love they just really love your dick thats all you naive fool and they even know that, you should see with their friend snickering about how much they control you like a puppet while they fuck some other guy on the side.
>>2162931
No its the honest truth, falling in love is the worse thing that happened to men because it allows women to enslave us.

>>2157868

It's not a "women" problem, it's a MAN problem.

Western men kept their women in check for THOUSANDS of years with no issue.

They turned into pussies just in the last 100 years, and the result is what we can see every day: white lands being overrun by non-whites, the family no longer being valued, rampant faggotry.

It's a MAN issue, and it won't get fixed until men pull their heads out of their asses.

>>2162991

My girlfriend's never happier than when she's riding a BBC while holding my hand.

>>2162903
>Typical female behavior

ewwwwwwwwwwww girls are icky :(

Mom, can you bring me more tendies and chocolate milk?? I'm HUNGRY!!!!

>>2162997
>stupid insults in an attempt to fuck with male ego
More female behavior.

Your a subhuman animal woman.

>>2158121

Small government constitutional republic,

>>2158365

Hans herman hoppe would like a word with you, read monarchy aristocracy and democracy, really short read but will sum up up why a constitutional monarchy is more effective in preserving freedom than a democracy

>>2163039
>a constitutional monarchy

Nope.

When you get a shitbag, you're stuck with that fucker for generations, or until he gets murdered. Those shitbags tend to want complete power and start to erode the "rights" of their citizens.

A representative republic is the way to go, as shitbags are limited to the amount of time they can stay in control. Term limits are the key.

>>2160940
It has more to do with nukes than with women
And the peace is only between powerful countries themselves
These powerful countries still attack third world shitholes every three months

>>2163016
Lmao dude do you hear yourself?? Fucking go outside and live a little. SAD!

>>2163091
Its not just war. Infant mortality, crime rates and poverty are at all time lows both domestically and internationally. To describe such a time not only as a downturn but as such a fucked up society as to warrant disenfranchising half the population is absolutely ludicrous.

Also how come history and society magically become nuanced and complicated (and not reducible to one demographic being the source of all societal ills) when it displays facts and trends which are contrary to /pol/s opinion?

>>2160109
Serbians can be easily spotted on threads like this

>>2158209
/pol/ is just some boards on the right of the browser for you

>>2162757
>The next draft will be both men and women.
lol that will never happen

As a guy who is theoretically in favor of gender equality, I have to agree that the reality at the moment doesn't look very good. Women right now are being liberated from common sense and common decency. Which is unfortunate.

In the long term I still think I'm clearly right however.

>>2158677
oh not another fucking graph without X and Y Axis.

>>2163185
No you aren't. Gender roles are biological and "gender equality" is a utopian dream for retarded liberals.

>>2160899
They come by land faggot

>>2162945
anon pls

>>2163201
>"gender equality"

Is a fallacy created by Marxist inspired idiots intent on destroying western civilization in order to create a centralized state that they control.

Biology clearly demonstrates the inferiority of females, compared to men, in many different aspects, including physical and mental capacity alike. Likewise, females are superior to men in the very aspects they were designed for, such as bearing and caring for children.

The entire "equality" concept simply sells well because nobody likes to feel inferior...even when they ARE inferior. Empirical evidence clearly demonstrates that there IS no such thing as "equality" among races, genders, or cultures. People used to know this, and accept it, but we've been conditioned to believe otherwise only over the past 60 years.

Time to break the conditioning.

>>2163185
>I have to agree that the reality at the moment doesn't look very good.
>>2163201
>"gender equality" is a utopian dream
>>2163303
>Is a fallacy created by Marxist inspired idiots intent on destroying western civilization in order to create a centralized state that they control.

People forgetting that we have had gender equality for a while and things have actually been going pretty well and the world hasn't collapsed because of it.

>>2163315
>People forgetting that we have had gender equality for a while

It's been less than 100 years since females in the states have been able to vote.

Since that time...
-the institution of marriage has been pretty much destroyed
-the family has been pretty much destroyed in the black community, and is heading that way in the white majority
-welfare programs, and dependency, are at an all time high
-standards have been lowered to accommodate females in every profession
-our educational system has become a farce

Females have demonstrated time and again that they will always make decisions based on their self interest, even when it hurts society as a whole. Men, on the other hand, have demonstrated for thousands of years that they are not only willing to discriminate against themselves, for the benefit of society, but that they are also willing to risk themselves to benefit society.

>>2163439
>-the institution of marriage has been pretty much destroyed
>-the family has been pretty much destroyed in the black community, and is heading that way in the white majority
>-welfare programs, and dependency, are at an all time high
>-standards have been lowered to accommodate females in every profession
>-our educational system has become a farce
You are going to need a lot of sources

>>2163543

No I don't.

Anybody interested will do their own research, while the unreasonable, such as yourself, can never be changed.

>>2163554
Well lookie here! Is a princess who doesn't have to backup her arguments like the rest of us!

>>2163629

That's because there is no argument against it, sunshine.

"Gender Equality" is ontologically a myth given each gender is defined primarily by their difference from the other. A great deal of energy-expending things have been taken over by technological equipment, leaving our excess energy to roam; women are generally lacking in the theoretical ability needed in academic disciplines, furthermore the crave for rigour, and the 'family' has been away from its grounding for more than a century now, so we can't really 'expect' women to act with dignity or self-consciousness; women grasp, in the absence of a strong man, onto whatever structure seems healthy and answering to their prayers -- the popularity of liberalism amongst them is no surprise in this respect.

/r9k/ needs to leave

>>2164720
Maybe you just need to pull your head out of your ass and accept the fact that you've been conditioned by leftists to believe bullshit that is completely contradicted by biology and science alike.

>>2157868
>inherent destructive power

what? all women do is create. their bodies are meant for it, and besides that they garden, knit shit, cook shit, and do shit dudes like so we can create more little shits. they're the shit.

Well, shit. I see someone maliciously misinterpreted "gender equality" to mean forced gender equality.

I meant equality of *opportunity*, you angry permavirgin child. Not pretending that biological differences don't exist.

>>2158052
it was