How to bring the Holy Church back to Her former glory?

wew lad there are 4 historical errors in your post

Undo Vatican II.

>>2155439
Not an option I'm afraid. You can't make a council disappear, so Vatican III maybe?

>>2155403
the Catholic Church can do whatever they want whenever, what's holding them back is the mystery, maybe it's waiting for opportune timing.

>>2155403
Needs a new Borgia-esque pope to start making some smart decisions.

>>2155439
Mel Gibson detected.

>>2155403
Make killing heretics, jews, muslims and infidels a venial sin.

>>2155464
Interpret Vatican II as a pastoral council and make Vatican III an explicitly dogmatic council contradicting Vatican II.

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>>2155477
Alexander VI was one of the best popes in history - centralized and unified the law of the Church making room for thoughts of Lateran V and finally the Trident councils, cut lawlessness and the independency of bishops and inquisitorial courts, ordered priests to receive a formal education in seminaries (a demand eventually made a canonical law on the Trident council), forced his jurisdiction over national churches and their episcopates before the kings and governments. BTFO French bishops trying to start another Western Schism. Patron of the arts, favored classical artists in the Papal State, fastened a great awakening of Renaissance.

No wonder why protties and masons hate him so much.

>>2155520
This sounds like a good idea, especially since NO anathemas were given during VatII.

>>2155403
Step 1 - this >>2155439
Step 2 - Reverse the decrees of the Council of Trent: make justification by faith alone a Roman Catholic teaching, allow priests to marry and father children, revoke priesthood and replace it with eldership/pastoral ministry, reduce the sacraments to 2 (baptism and communion)
Step 3 - Cease teaching the blatant biblical falsehood of Purgatory
Step 4 - Deny the blasphemy of the Mass, and affirm that Christ died once, finished his work, and sat down at the right hand of God
Step 5 - Stop worshipping saints and Mary.

Do these and you instantly become a more biblical church, and with "history" and "continuity" on your side you can basically attract hundreds of thousands of Lutherans, Anglicans/Episcopalians and Methodists to join the Roman church. Maybe even some Presbyterian and Reformed too.

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>>2155529
Do you want women priests and homosexual marriage too, you filthy heretic? That's basically the Anglican church 2.0

>people think God is okay with Gay sex and evolution
Satan is working his magic I see

>>2155548
Nowhere did I say allow liberalism. Publicly defrock the fuckers and be done with it.

>>2155529
I'd say just the opposite must happen.

1) Do away with Vatican II as necessary and proper, but more importantly:

2) Stress the tradition and continuity of the church. Not just "muh apostles", but its impact on Europe/America, its history at all levels (From the local to the continental).

3) Catholic churches should be patrons of the arts and sciences AT ALL LEVELS. The Vatican shouldn't be the only one putting in the work, all levels of the clergy need to emphasize this.

4) Move away from the Middle-East. Focus less on "muh Israelites", more on the lives of Saints (the official lives of them of course) and the morality, messages, and philosophy they carry with them. This leads to:

5) Create a secular backbone that can be used to reinforce church philosophy. Secularism isn't going to stop gaining power, and the church can either continue to cave (and continue to lose) or it can adopt a stance that does not combat secularism. This is not to say that the pope should replace his tiara with a fedora and ditch God, but rather adopt a backbone philosophy that doesn't REQUIRE God. Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism all do this, Christianity needs the same. I should be able to show tangible and reasonable reasons for being a Catholic that don't require "You'll go to hell if you don't". The next life is all well and good, but it's worthless without this life.

6) Stop caving in to the demands of outsiders in an attempt to convert them. The edgy liberals who say that the pope could feed Africa if he sold his chair will NEVER convert by appealing to them. The fedora tippers will NEVER convert no matter how much you say "b-b-but Galileo was put on trial for being a dick, not for astronomy!". All appeasement does it alienate your own supporters and make your own position look flimsier. This is the shield to #5's sword: Have reasons other than "Heaven or Hell" to bring people in all the being stern (Yet not dogmatic) in the truth.

>>2155403
Stop molesting children.

>>2155529
>justification by faith alone
Not Biblical.

>allow priests to marry and father children
It's already a thing in Uniate Churches, so why not.

>revoke priesthood and replace it with eldership/pastoral ministry
Not Biblical.

>biblical falsehood of Purgatory
Purgatory is biblical.

>Deny the blasphemy of the Mass
Mass is true biblical offering.

>Christ died once, finished his work, and sat down at the right hand of God
Holy Church already teaches that, and always did.

>Stop worshipping saints and Mary
Saints and Mary aren't worshipped.

>more biblical church
We can't do it with four major mistakes contradicting the Bible.

>attract
You can't attract people based on a mistake. This is what Vaticanum II already tried.

>>2155566
>adopt a backbone philosophy that doesn't REQUIRE God. Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism all do this, Christianity needs the same. I should be able to show tangible and reasonable reasons for being a Catholic that don't require "You'll go to hell if you don't".
Scholastics already did that, somewhere between 7th to 8th (saint Bede the Venerable) and 12th century (st. Thomas of Aquines).

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>>2155403
1. Undo Vatican II.
2. Go back to the historical way of building churches, at least as much as is possible.
3. Focus on tradition - the world changes, the church does not. This gives people something to hold onto in an ever-changing world, a sorely needed constant and a consistent morality.
4. Stop with the whole "every religion is the same, we just need to be peaceful and stuff". Doesn't work, at least with some faiths.
5. Stop yielding power to secular institutions - make it clear that there is only one equal to the pope, and that is an emperor. Since there is currently no Roman Emperor, the pope rules supreme.
6. Call a crusade for Constantinople.

In short, undo the last few centuries of nonsense the church went through.

>>2155578
>>Stop worshipping saints and Mary
>Saints and Mary aren't worshipped.

This is such horseshit for 90% of believers.

Muslims say the 99 names of God, after prayers to God and Catholics pray to Mary 50 times every rosary and to God 5 times.

Says it all really.

>>2155619
>Catholics pray to Mary 50 times every rosary
Show me, where.

>>2155617
>6. Call a crusade for Constantinople.
The papacy does not have a military and no world leader is going to support or even endorse a military venture at the risk of a world wide religious war.

LARPing is fun and all but come on.

>>2155529
>muh bible
Who gives a shit about the bible? The faith is Europe and Europe is the faith. Cathodoxy is the religion of Europeans an should remain so. The bible should quietly retire to the backstage and serve as a book of allegories and cautionary tales.

Accept Jean Calvin as a Latin doctor of the Church

>>2155661
Some retarded prottie will totally quote this as the official statement of the whole RCC.

>>2155641
>The papacy does not have a military
The papacy does have a military, just not a very big one. The Swiss Guard exists.
And then there's a few knightly orders still sticking around with small, but good, martial departments.
And, of course, there's over 1.2 billion Catholics in the world, even without counting our Christian brothers in the other churches. Many of them have served or are currently serving the military. Should be enough to train the rest.

There's military bases in Turkey on this side of the Bosporus, where additional military equipment could be captured. Should at least be enough for a Guerilla war. Alliances with the PKK could also be secured, Kurdistan is on the other side of the Bosporus.

>world-wide religious war
There is already a world wide religious war against Christians, or, more specifically, non-muslims.

>>2155674
>Christian brothers in the other churches
There's only one Church, so there can't be any "other churches".

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>>2155403
See this, its destruction is in its DNA

>>2155692
Thank God, the same Bible and the church fathers condemn gnosis.

>>2155674
>The papacy does have a military, just not a very big one. The Swiss Guard exists.
>And then there's a few knightly orders still sticking around with small, but good, martial departments.
There are almost 15 million people living in Constantinople alone. Think about that.

The point is, no government will allow millions of its own citizens to illegally take up arms and flock to the Bosphorus to declare war on another sovereign nation. If the Vatican actually tried to initiate something like this it would be sanctioned so hard and so fast it would collapse.

>>2155709
Military crusade is probably a very bad idea.

>>2155403
Actually try and convert and spread the Gospel in the West.

Dont you think its screwy that only the too least Christian "christians" actually managed to spread the gospel in developed counries where they cant wow ignorant 3rd worlders with aid?

>>2155669
This would help bring protestants back into the fold.

>>2155672
Please, don't insult us. We recognize Rome as a false church, but we're not stupid enough to equate Rome with some alt-right ethno-nationalist movement.

Ours is a theological and biblical fight, nothing less.

>>2155729
If you think of baptists and other pentecostals - welp, they managed to convert the masses exactly because they're uncompromising nad intransigent.

>>2155739
>We
And now it's not only a united church but also one, collective consciousness.

>>2155755
>And now it's not only a united church but also one, collective consciousness.

Find a Protestant whose primary beef with Rome falls outside the theological/biblical realm of disagreement.

>>2155732
Bugnini thought NOM would. Well, it didn't turn out well, did it.

>>2155439
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