What is the greatest two-nation rivalry of all time?

>>2138089
I mean that's not even question France and Britain

>>2138123
This to be honest.

Russia and Afghanistan

>>2138089
united states and the soviet union has to be the biggest rivalry of the last century

Finland and Korea

>>2138134
>jews fighting each other is considered rivalry

jizzrael and peepeestine

>>2138142
Oh /pol/. You're like the retarded kid at Christmas dinner noone respects but everyone likes. Never change. Merry Xmas.

>>2138142

>fighting each other is considered rivalry
>fighting each other is considered rivalry
>fighting each other is considered rivalry
>fighting each other is considered rivalry
>fighting each other is considered rivalry

>>2138123
This. The funniest one is Japan-korea

>>2138142
>jews fighting each other
The cold war literally shaped the worlds politics for decades

Sparta and Athens

Shit was so bad that both sides would drop their quarrels with the Persians and ally with them just to take out the other.

>>2138169
>both sides
I thought only Sparta allied w/ Persians though, when did Athens?

>>2138157
>This. The funniest one is Japan-korea
They weren't rivals though,military action was unilateral save for the Three kingdoms period.

Portugal and spain ?

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>>2138123
FPBP, this is the only correct answer.

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>>2138184
Corinthian war

They funded Athens so they could rebuild their walls and navy while sending them their own naval fleet to help.

>>2138150
Oh hella. You're like that f*ckin' epic reddit comment I upvoted yesterday.

Never narwhal le bacon missiles.

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>>2138123
>>2138127
>>2138157
>>2138229
this

>>2138089
Rome and Carthage has gotta be up there.
>Carthago delenda est

bipolarity.

>>2138123
It's more England and France. For most of the political history of "Britain", Scotland and France were quite chummy.

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>>2138089
France and Britain is weakshit, it's France and the Habsburgs (mostly Austria).

That rivalry literally defined continental politics from the 15th to 19th centuries.

>>2138089
Gotta be Rome vs Persia or Aztecs vs China

France-England/HRE/Prussia/Germany/Spain/France

Fucking French, man

>>2138123
It even has that trope where the villain (Britain) teams up with the hero (France) to help take down a greater evil and finds a measure of redemption

>>2138299
Anime will ruin the west, just as japan has already fallen to its degeneracy. Our only hope for humanity is islam.

>>2138089
Greece and Persia

Rome and Persia

>>2138089
Montenegro and Japan

Sweden and Denmark have fought eleven wars between each other. France and England have only fought five.

>>2138312
Islam wouldn't exist in forty years, anon.

>>2138432
What about Russia and Turkey?

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>>2138432
>France and England have only fought five.

Dude...

>>2138432
Some of those wars lasted a long time.

>>2138432
>Won the majority of battles
>Lost most of the wars
Feels bad man.

Canada vs the world

>>2138452
Looks like the UK won the important ones. There is a reason why North America speaks English and not French. The British kicked the French out of North America and India, meaning France was left with some useless desert and tropical places.

Winning some nobles squabbles 250 years earlier meant nothing after that.

>>2138477
>Looks like the UK won the important ones

The most important one to the current world is the American Revolution and you lost it
Deal with it bong

>>2138468
>not Canada vs Australia

are you stoned?

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>>2138282

>>2138491
It was never going to last anyway. No colony has done except meme islands.

We won the cultural war against France and Spain for North America (at least up until now, but Trump might set things right for Americans), the idea of us still having the yanks as a colony in the current year is ludicrous.

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>>2138089
Greeks and Persians
Or Greeks and Bulgarians
Or Greeks and Turks
Or Greeks and Greeks

>>2138477
The most important one was 1066
It forever changed English language, installed a bunch of French nobles on the throne of England and changed England from an irrelevant backwater shithole into a country able to compete with France and other Western European nations

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>>2138089
France and Britain, however I think that Sweden and Denmark are the two kingdoms that have had the highest amount of wars between them.

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>>2138530
You greeks sure are a indebted bunch.

>>2138239
The fact that someone put so much work into this cringy yet amazing picture

>>2138541
YOU'VE JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR YOUR LIFE

>>2138239
Greatest love story ever told

>>2138089
France-Britain
or
France-Germany (shorter but much more intense, I mean hatred of Frenchs is literally what forged German nationalism)
or
Greece-Persia

>>2138089
China-Mongolia

>>2138134
>not fascism vs democracy
>or Entente vs Central powers

>>2138452
Most of those are English civil wars where France sent a few soldiers to help the rebells.

>>2138432
yeah and one of those five was longer than the eleven wars put together.

Spain vs Moors

>>2138627
Most of the wars Britain "won" on the list were just France vs Europe wars in which Britain just sent a few soldiers

>>2138644
I was just checking...
>Italian war 1521-26 is France vs europe
>so is nine years war
>jacobite rising was hardly a war
>peninsular, sixth and seventh coalitions are obvious
So in the end, the only two wars which weren't France vs Europe, and were lost by the french, were the colonial ones, Queen Anne's and the Indian war.

New Zealand vs Australia

>>2138123
/thread

>>2138282
Nice meme!

>>2138620
>Han-Xiongnu war
>China steamrolls Mongolia

>Genghis Khan
>Invades North with help of Southern China, and invades South 50 years later

>>2138089
Pooland and Russia.

Ended by the Germans thought, when they helped the Russians crew over the Polacks.

(BE READY FOR A LITTLE HISTORY ARTICLE)Poland vs all world(a little joke for a beggining.... well not really a joke as its true). Well our rivalry with germans (and russians) has come a long way and is starting again. Teutonic order, prussians, nazis, germans. It's a loooong way but most memoriable moments are: battle of Grunwald 1410 biggest medieval battle. 1795 3rd partition of poland which brought the end to our country. 1940 battle of England where division 303rd kicked their asses :). 1944 biggest ww2 uprising, Warsaw uprising against Hitler. Rivalry since beggining of medieval brought to end and renewed by new german government. Poland will never be able to live in peace with Germany.
And of course how could we forget russians. Well we dont like each other since always. Most memoriable moments are uprisings against tzar. Poland being only nation to become king of russia in polish-russian war (1609-1618). Stalin taking Poland in 1945. Wojciech Jaruzelski starts martial law and arrests all opposition (1981). and Poland winning with communism in 1989.

>>2138089
Britain/France
Byzantium/Turks
Turks/Austrians
US Hegemon vs USSR Hegemon
Greeks vs Persians (and maybe add the Macedonians)
France vs the World
USA vs the World
Protestants vs Catholics
Germany vs Europe
Athens vs Sparta
Selucids vs Ptolemies
Byzantines vs Sassanids/"Persians"
China vs China
China vs nomandic northerners in general
Vietnam vs the World

>>2138432
Sweden and Denmark are irrelevant states though. Might as well talk about the Uganda-Botswana rivalry.

>>2138625
>fascism vs democracy
Fascism has been historically relevant for only like 20 years total.

>>2138089
France and England.

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>>2138739
>Byzantines vs Sassanids/"Persians"

Seriously. This. For centuries they fought over the same tiny patch of dirt and a couple of border cities, raiding one another constantly.

>>2138755
I still don't why they did it, at one point or another they would absolutely BTFO each other...and yet they never stopped

>>2138750
He was talking about the last century, and it led to the biggest war in history.

>>2138778
It didn't. The war started by Hitler attacking Poland which wasn't a democratic country. Then the largest chunk of the war was Germany vs USSR, of which neither were democratic.

>>2138780
b-but my moral dichotomies anon

The Austians vs themselves
The Spanish vs themselves

>>2138774
Well for the Romans it was actual conquest, and for the Persians just war booty. But neither side really had the capability of actually succeeding. They generally knew it was mostly futile, and for decades at a time there would be peace especially in the 5th century when the Huns and Hepthalites fucked shit up. Other times, when an ambitious emperor was around or Shah on the Persian throne, constant war was inevitable.

>>2138774
Persians were always the enemy of the east for over 1000 years.

>Greek city states
OMG THE PERSIANS
>Alexander the Great
OMG THE PERSIANS
>Ptolemy's Egypt
OMG THE PERSIANS
>Roman Empire
OMG THE PERSIANS
>East "Roman" empire
OMG THE PERSIANS

Just like any empire they're always out to gain influence and if that means fighting over bordr towns then they'll do it

Germans against Germans.

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>>2138739
>Vietnam vs the World

>>2138136
underrated

>>2138299
>Britain
>the villiain

Irish or American?

>>2138905
Spanish

Greek city-states could get hilariously creative in their malignancy

Scotland England
/thread

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>>2138268
>mfw Brexit will cause a return to the Auld Alliance

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Castille/Spain vs Portugal has got to be up there somewhere too.
They even split the world into two.

>>2138123
tfw canadian

>>2138198
portugal and spain are fucking tight mate. no rivalry there

Greeks vs their national debt

hands down stronqest rivalry of this century

>>2138739
>Byzantines vs Sassanids/"Persians"
Why did you put quotation marks around Persians ?

Britain/France
Prussia/Europe
Greeks/Persians
Are God-tier rivalries

>>2138089
Rome and Carthage. You don't march FUCKING ELEPHANTS over the GODDAMNED Alps unless they've really pissed you off.

>>2139275
Why not?

>>2139306
I want a Zama do-over.

>>2138905
A memeing perfidious Brit

>>2138239
r/polandball is unironically great.

I can enjoy Reddit outside of the defaults.

>>2138089
The Steppe Peoples vs. Anyone Civilized

>>2138146
I laughed more than I'd care to admit.

>>2139314
Are you trying to imply Sassanids were mongrels or something? That's bullshit.

>>2138739
>Byzantines vs Sassanids/"Persians"
Definitely this
>hate each other so much you keep raping the shit out of each other's middle eastern clay
>byzzies finally win
>islamic arab zerg rush kills the sassanids and permanently cucked the byzzies
made for tv epic man

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>>2138746
Then let's talk about the Uganda-Botswana rivalry because I know fuck all about it.

>>2139265
>century

are you forgetting that time they got rekt by deus vult niggers and sea kikes because they didnt pay denbts

>>2138127
>>2138123
>>2138157
>>2138229
>>2138239
>>2138698
>>2138268
The French and Germany rivalry is leagues above the English and French. Hell, up until the 1500s, it was simply "French kings fighting French dukes who were ruling over the land called England".


France and Germany has existed for 1000s of years.

>>2138133
Kek

>>2138123
>French Normans conquer England.
>Normans then try to conquer France.
What is going on, m8.

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>>2138241
>Mfw the rivalry between the two still goes in the tourism and Olive oil market

>>2139911

And Germany has only been a rival during XIX and XX centuries.

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>>2138089

>>2139189
Yeah, but they were united at one point, they have kept peace since the Spanish defeat, they stayed neutral and fascist together, then they both shifted to democracy around the same time, and joined the EU together in the same year.

They are bickering sister nations, at worst.

>>2142017

The fact that they divided the world once does not mean that they were rivals, it actually means that they did agreed to divide the world..

>>2138802
>>Ptolemy's Egypt
OMG THE PERSIANS
The Selecuids were more Babylonian/Syrian Than Persian though

>>2142039
It seems like a pretty rivalrish thing to do, to me, but more like a sibling rivalry than an actual France/England rivalry

>>2138739
Vietnam vs China is up there tbqh.

Vietnam hates China so much that they actually became buddy-buddy with the US.

>>2139923
The Plantagenets (the dynasty ruling England during the HYW) werent Normans but Angevins (Frenchmen from Anjou)

For varieties sake I'd like to say Turk-Russian fighting, or Korean-Japanese rivalry.

>>2138614
>shorter
germans been bothering us for close to two millenias

>>2139366
Speaking as someone who actually was able to post on the r/polandball page it's gone downhill last I checked, not as funny anymore.

>>2139526
You can expand that to basically a never-ending war between Asia Minor and Western Iran, from the Hittites and Assyrians to the Greeks and Achaemenids to the Byzantines and Sassanids to the Byzantines and Seljuks to the Ottomans and Timurids to the Ottomans and Safavids.

Turkey/Iran war soon, comrades.

>>2138089
Eh, some good contenders would be Babylon and Assyria, Babylon and Media/Persia, Athens and Sparta, Rome and Parthia, Eastern and Western Frankia, France and England, France and Spain, France and Austria, France and the rest of the HRE, Denmark and Sweden, Poland and Russia, Turks and Austria, Austria and Prussia, France and Prussia/Germany, Prussia/Germany and Russia, GB and Russia, US and USSR, China and USSR

>>2138089
india/pakistan

>>2138709
This... This is not how it happened. Sweden swept in and killed off 1/3 of Poland while the PLC was at war with Russia and the Cossacks. They never recovered from that, thanks to the world's most woefully inept government.

>>2138746
Sweden ruled Europe for most of the 17th century, during the height of their rivalry

>>2139911
>The Inevitable Contrarian Post

>>2138287
Ils ont ruiné la france

>>2138123
France vs England*

>>2138089
France and Britain

honourable mentions
Prussia and Austria
Denmark and Sweden
Austria and France
Sparta and Athens
France and Prussia
"Rome" and "Persia"
Germany and France

>>2144860
>>2138268
>>2138753

It's far more Britain and France

Prior to the union of 1707, France had 4x the population of England, and won most of the wars. Only in the 1700's England actually began to catch up in population and military power.

I'm not a mad scot, it's just that the union is symbolic of when England was finally gaining relevance on the world stage.

>>2138739
>Vietnam vs the world
Expect for the half by which it was supported
>USA vs world
? When in history has the US been in a situation like France during the revolutionary wars?

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>>2138620
>China-Mongolia
Nah. Not much. Mongolia only showed up under Genghiz. And promptly went back to "shit barbarian" status under the Ming and conquered in full by the Qing.

Mongolia is a one hit wonder.

>>2138239
Coincidental, as i am posting from the channel tunnel

>>2138452
>American Revolutionary War
>French victory

>>2145272
Oh please, burger.

over half the British Navy was fighting the French. The French supplied 90% of American Equipment, and outnumbered the British army by 3x. The War was a proxy war.

>>2145272
I'm guessing you're one of those people who will also claim that the only reason the soviets beat the Germans was lend lease.

>>2138089
The Eternal Anglo and the Great Bear

The entire Cold War was basically Britains fault for putting its two larger allies against each other. Britain and Russia have hated each other for the last 200 years possibly more than any two countries in existence. Even during ww2 they hated each other.

>>2144867
Francophile detected

Russia vs homo sapiens

>>2145272
In case you havent noticed, the pic focuses on two countries, that's why it says "French/British victory" regardless of allies

Shall I remind you that Britaun literally never won any war without allies against France?
Yet there are "British victory" written, so you should have understood

The world-island versus the world-sea. It all ultimately comes down to that.

>>2138089
Byzantium and Persia

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>>2138239

"I remember your eldest son, he was more like you than you'd care to admit, even now...."

>trying not to cry trying not to cry trying not to cry trying not to cry trying not to cry trying not to cry

>>2138278
Except it was the house of Valois and Bourbon, the Capetians died out before the ascension of the habsburgs.

But yes I generally agree, Bourbon v Habsburg was probably the most influential rivalry of the past 500 years... nothing would be the same without those two families

>>2138299
>France
>not the villain

they're the ones constantly causing wars and fucking with smaller countries all the time

>b-but colonialism
Britain colonized in the 19th century for pure economic reasons, France did it to make their dick look bigger.

>>2147137
>Britain colonized in the 19th century for pure economic reasons, France did it to make their dick look bigger.

kys nigel

>>2138739
>China vs China

this one definitely this one
most long lasting rivalry ever

though you forgot to list
>Rome vs Rome vs "We wuz" Rome

Persia and rome

>>2147136
Valois and Bourbon are actually cadet branches of the Capetian dynasty.

>>2147218
and Tudors was a candidate branch of the Plantagenet dynasty (well actually Lancaster which was a branch of Plantagenet)

still different families from different areas

>>2147240
Tudors aren't a cadet branch (lol candidate branch). Henry VII's mother descended from John Beaufort who himself was a illegitimate child of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster.

You need to be legitimate MALE-LINE descent to be a cadet branch of a dynasty. The only reason Henry VII was even considered for the throne was because everyone else with a stronger claim was dead.

>>2138089
Afghanistan and empires

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>>2145523
The geopolitical concept of control of the world island never felt as real to me as when I've been playing grand strategy with other players.

>>2138530
Greeks have beef with almost every one of their historical and current neighbours

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>>2147560
They're bros with Serbs though and are also friendly with Italians.

The french and the Habsburg empire

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Saudi Arabia vs The Middle East and World Peace.

>>2138089
USSR and food

>>2138437
It's the fastest growing religion and currently conquering Europe.

Britain v France
France v Austria
France v Germany
Sweden v Denmark
Sweden v Russia

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>>2148815
10/10

USSR vs USA or England vs France

>>2148992
>France v Austria

Shit desu
It only existed for like two centuries

Meanwhile France vs Germany existed from 843 to 1945 and France vs England from 1066 to 1815

>>2149364
>England vs France
>A near millennium old rivalry in which numerous devastating military encounters and occupations happened

>USA vs USSR
>Postwar fever dream that barely lasted half a century with no confrontations that werent by proxy

kys fat fuck

>>2149450
England and France didn't have everyone thinking the world was going to end at the push of a button.

>>2149383
>>2149450
>srs bsns
intensity and relevance are important too

>>2138534
Oh please, even during the heptarchy England was stronk, look at Offa's dyke, that shit has been compared to the construction of the Great Wall of China.

>>2138089
If anyone says anything other than Rome v Persia, then they know nothing about history. So great a rivalry that they caused each other's downfall.

>>2139911
t. Hans Gruber

>>2149995
yeah but Greece and Persia's rivalry also caused both their downfall.

>>2149450

USA vs USSR (capitalism vs. socialism) was far more important to anybody who wasn't England or France.

>>2138089
Rome vs Persia

>>2138123
This.

Krauts have tried to replace the frogs but it just isn't the same when you kill off half of Europe doing it.

>>2138278
This, especially considering France and Austria were really the only two continuous Great Powers.

>>2138534
>changed England from an irrelevant backwater shithole
Kill yourself please
Anglo-Saxon England as one of the most stable places outside of Byzantium during its time
In fact, jackasses like Richard the Lionheart ignoring England for crusading made it a backwater.

>>2138278
>Entschuldigung, Kamerad, can I ask you something?
>Sure, what's up?
>I'm designing my coat of arms. Do lions have fins?
>Of course not! They have spines, just like dinosaurs.
>Okay, thanks. Do they have fur, or...?
>No, usually just peacock feathers.
>Cool, thanks man!

>>2138239
>feels
man
>captcha: cours amiens

whoever controls the west/palestine vs whoever controls the middle east

greeks/persians, romans/parthians, ERE/Sassanids, crusaders/muslims, byzantines/ottomans, allies/ottomans, jews/muslims

There always seems to be a rivalry boiling between two power bases that could never gain a strong enough hold over the other to really land a killing blow.

>>2145040
"Vietnam vs the world" is a reference to their long history of repelling invaders (at least thats what they tell you) and USA verse to world is joke, in fact, all of the "vs the world" are not to be taken to seriously

>>2139413
The Sassanids weren't directly Persian right? When I hear "Persian" i think "successors to Cyrus the Great" and nothing else, but that might just be me

>>2150836
they were just another minor parthians family that took control during a civil war and renamed the empire after their family patriarch.

>>2138089
rus/russia vs byzantines/ottomans/whoever inhabited asia minor

I guess US vs Soviet in the cold war. A flick of the switch on either side could have ended the world as we know it.

>>2139911
You wish kraut. But we don't give a shit about you. Germany is relatively new to the game (150 years). Also we used to be one nation together.

>>2138239

literally cringe

>>2138541
Balkans. There was a thread about what you hate more about your country and every Balkan country replied, my neighbours.

>>2138536
+1 to this.
France Vs. Britain with Denmark Vs. Sweden as a close second

>>2138089
Mongols vs rest of the world

Ottomans/Timurids
Ottomans/Safavids
Ottomans/Byzantines
Ottomans/Allies
Ottomans/Russia

>>2138239
10/10 m80

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>>2138089
>>2138123
>>2138157
Where do these two fall then?

>>2138089
>>2138123

I'd say France - Germany instead.

England just kept on switching sides, usually siding against the stronger, in order to keep continental Europe in "equililbrium"

>>2142173
Can confirm, it's true. I hear we're even gonna get some American weaponry. China-Vietnam rivalry is at least 1000+ years old but it got overshadowed by China vs Japan in the last century.

t.Vietnamese

>>2138089
Then: Britain and France
Now: Canada and Australia

>>2154594
Germany as a unified nation literally didn't even exist until the 18th Century.

>>2154861
Shit I meant Canada and Finland