Tell me about Poland, /his./ Interesting tidbits, best kings,

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>>2137092
https://lowiczanka.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/the-history-of-poland-you-never-knew/

Norman Davies: God's playground
Norman Davies: Red Star White Eagle
Norman Davies: Heart of Europe. A Short History of Poland
Poland: An Historical Sketch
by Graf von Helmuth Moltke, Helmuth Moltke

https://archive.org/details/polandanhistori01buchgoog

Happy reading.

>>2137115
http://www.napolun.com/mirror/web2.airmail.net/napoleon/polish_army.html

Also, this one is also nice. It's a short summary.

Joke of Europe which did nothing noteworthy in it's entire history.

>>2137850
self-hating polack

>>2137870
Said some fucking diaspora lmao Poland literally achieved nothing. Punching bag of the world no one treats seriously.

>>2137881
back to /int/ Marcelek

>>2137886
kek

Pointless trashy spot on european map that should be partitioned again.

There's a cool looking movie that unfortunately may seem a bit mysterious for those ungamiliar with the basic knowledge of Polish history. It's too late for more maybe I'll post something tomorrow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stEuQamTLXw

>>2137092
Useless shit people and history.

One of two countries to ever capture Moscow, France being the other. Also the most recent to defeat Russia in a war. Beautiful and smart people cursed by geography.

shit bucket of Europe

>>2139986
Sweden also captured Moscow

Has always had beautiful women which was great for other european nations because the soldiers could have fun with them during the seasonal invasion and partition.

>>2140407
When? Google says something about 1610, but... They were allies at that time, so "conquering" it is a vast overinterpretation

>>2137850
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>>2140376
wtf I hate Poland now

>>2137092
this isn't /pol/, at least make some pretense of discourse and education

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They had the best Pope ever

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>>2140603
>When? Google says something about 1610
yes, in early 1610 a Swedish army unit suppressed the rebellion in Moscow organised against Tsar and took control over Moscow.
>They were allies at that time
Calling it an alliance might be an overstatement, since the tsar basically traded away land for Swedish military support
>so "conquering" it is a vast overinterpretation
i never said that they conquered moscow

>>2140407
>>2140746
Poles captured Stockholm with only 10 men kek

>>2140859
bullshit. it takes 100 pollacks to screw in a light bulb

>>2140892
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Laski

get fucked

>>2140859
and Swedes sacked Warsaw twice, whats your point?

>>2141066
>diplomat sent by the Swedish king gets access to the city
whoa no way, so impressive

they are very religious and like to burn atheists

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>>2137092
garbage bin of Europe

>>2141866
>implying Nazi Germany would've upheld an alliance with the most Jewish nation in Europe

>>2137092
They are overly emotional people who can't calculate reasonably.

who here would like to see Poland partitioned again?

>>2141945
that's the opposite of the truth
Poland produces more logicians that any other nation

Favorite vacation spot of european armies.

>>2142138
Aye! Europe should be pure Celto-Germanic.

>>2142215
That's some shallow understanding of history. Probably from some American children tv show.

>>2141827
They literally placed their fucking flag in the most important building in Stockholm.

>>2142277
source?

They are meme tier christians who are only in it to be cool

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>>2137092
>Tell me about Poland, /his./
its shit
>Interesting tidbits
they're good at plumbing
>best kings
Poland best kings weren't polish
>why they became a republic
because they're retarded

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Jews hate Poland because they defeated Islam in the 17th century and in 20th they defeated communist twice. Now they are trying to defeat progressive liberalism of the George Soros kind too, which make them even more hateful of the Polish nation.

If you write any historical book saying something book about Poland, you are called an "anti-semite" and blacklisted. It's ridiculous. They can't keep getting away with that.

This thread is an example. Every single comment derisive of Poland was done by either a commie or a Jew.

>>2137092

They recently declared Jesus Christ to be King of Poland.

>>2142478

but Poland was literally filled with JEWS for centuries on centuries

>>2142550
Which just shows how ungrateful they are.

>>2142478
Literally every person of note who came out of Poland was Jewish. Jewish life is what made Poland great because it has otherwise no culture. When Poles collaborated with Nazi Germany to murder the Jewish population they essentially ended all that was even remotely good about Poland.

>>2142138
only if warsaw goes to germany/austria

>>2142644
You must really hate that city.

>>2142673
id rather live in germany or austria than russia tbqh

>>2142624
Jews in Poland and Ukraine were tribal beings and completely wild. There were no scientists or musicians.

>>2142624
Is this what they teach in Israel?

>>2142624
As I said, ungrateful people. Poland protected the Jews for centuries, and even under foreign domination they still tried to protect them, to the risk of death. And that's how they are "repaid". With lies and slander.

I wish Poles actually collaborated with the Nazis to murder all the Jewish population of Poland. That's why they deserved anyway for collaborating with the Red Army in 1920, 1939 and 1944.

>>2142718
>Poland protected the Jews for centuries
They expelled them from Warsaw when Catherine the Great were in power. At first they were greeted with interest in Russia which didn't know Jews before, but then, well... There were sort of expelled too.

If not for Poland all of Europe would have been conquered by Muslims a few hundred years ago.

>>2142797
Vienna = all of Europe

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>>2142697
Reminder that /int/ needs to stay in /int/

>>2143013
Look at a map. If Vienna fell, how long would it have taken to finish off the rest of the continent? With no major armies in opposition.

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>>2143079
Literally all me

>>2143013
Vienna was the gateway to Western Europe, everything would have been completely fucked if it had fallen.

Come on at least know a little about history before posting on a history board, Vienna 1683 is widely acknowledged to be the turning point in the fight between Islamic and Christian civilization.

>>2142580

holy shit

did the jews do the partition too?

>>2142624

UNTRUE

THE HUSSARS PROBABLY WERENT MAJORITY JEWISH

>>2137092
LONG LIVE THE HOUSE OF PIAST

>>2143533
>T MAJORITY JEWISH
>>>
>Anonymous 12/26/16(Mon)19:08:38 No.2

BUMP

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BUMP GOD DAMN IT

>>2137092
"Cz" makes a "ch" sound

>>2143647
So does "trz"

>>2143647

omfg

>>2143121
> Vienna 1683 is widely acknowledged to be the turning point in the fight between Islamic and Christian civilization.

No, that was Tours.

>>2142377
Already provided one.
>>2142437
Kings didn't matter in Poland.

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>>2142728
>They expelled them from Warsaw when Catherine the Great were in power. At first they were greeted with interest in Russia which didn't know Jews before, but then, well... There were sort of expelled too.
Yeah, blame Pooland for Russia's actions.

Poland didn't have to let the Jews in, they were hated in the entire Europe. I think it was one of the biggest mistakes in Polish history, if they didn't let them in - Jews would all die and the world would be a better place.

I think Partitions and later 1939 were God's punishment to Poles for letting Jews live in their borders.

Recovers from Mongols faster than neighbors, aids Crusaders in war against the Pagans/Orthodoxy

Gets bitchy when the Order refuses to yield the land the Pope granted them

Institutes basis for the Republican Monarchy so that the king could get some bitch nobles to contribute in wartime

Unites with Christianized Lithuania (which included Belarus, Western Russia and the Ukraine)

Beats the Crusaders, but lets the nobility's excesses spiral out of control

Fights with Russia and Sweden over Livonia and Baltic trade

Starts 17th century as 2nd largest state in Europe but mistakenly elects a Swede king

Successfully invades Russia, loses the Swedish crown but keeps them from saving Russia's ass

Does not capitalize on gains made due to nobility and their bitchiness

War with Sweden again, Father of Modern Warfare begins to reform Swedish army and is relatively successful compared to his father

Unrest is starting in the Ukraine where Polish Jews have more rights than Ruthenian Christians

Nobility reaches height of excess but magically works in Poland's favor by keeping it out of the German war

Cossacks revolt, Russia intervenes and overruns half of Lithuania

Sweden invades, takes most of the country in 6 months despite being outnumbered 10 to 1, but then loses most of her manpower to plague while sieging the Prussian cities

Eventually the Swedes abandon the Polish endeavour and peace is made with Russia, but Poland loses 1/3 of the population to the war

Finally on top again as is able to keep the Turks back for a couple decades, then bails out Austrians at Vienna

Nobility still holds most of power, government is anarchy and roads and schools are nonexistent

Great Northern War starts, Sweden kicks ass for close to a decade at Poland's expense thanks to August the Strong

Russia beats Sweden, Russian influence strong in Poland

August dies, war of Polish Succession cements Russian Power

7 Years War happens, Poland becomes Russian highway

Partition

>>2143663
Considering gains were made by Muslims in Europe for centuries after that, no, it really wasn't.

>>2144587
But they were made in the shit parts of europe: the Iberian peninsula and the balkans.

>>2144271
Your source says nothing about flags

>>2144729
>but they were in parts of Europe I haven't been to so they don't count

>>2144729
>>>/int/

Best Polish King is of course Casimir III the great who had laid groundwork for a Poland to in the future compete against other European Countries.

Poland had become a Republic because it had a Republican tradition throughout most of its history, semi democratic governments and massive liberty many years before they even appeared in the rest of Europe, e.g. In the 17th century, about 10% of all Poles had the right to vote for a king, this is in comparison to just 2.5% of the population in France after the French revolution in the late 18th century. In fact Poland was the first country in Europe to have a constitution based on the American one, essentially making it the first modern day Republic in Europe.

Definitely look at the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and it's unique Political and Social structure as well as 19th century and 20th century to look at how resilient and proud our people are

>>2145996
Resilient until you have a Swedish or Russian or German or Austrian boot pressing down on your neck

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>>2146016
>Resilient until you have a Swedish or Russian or German or Austrian boot pressing down on your neck
They're powerless when alone.

Germans and Russians often attacked like niggers, in groups. Swedes aren't any different.

>>2146016
Resilient as in:
>largest resistance movement of ww2
>Only occupied country not to collaborate with Nazis
>won our freedom from communism ourselves, (protesters were being shot in the street)
>Look at the January, November and Kosciuszko uprisings, Polish peasants threw themselves with nothing more than scythes onto russian guns and cannons to fight for their freedom
>Battle of Wizna
>Polish-soviet war
>Preserved our own culture for 123 years from Russianization and Germinazation even though it was illegal to speak Polish and for Poles to study.
>Greater Poland uprising

And more than can be listed

>>2143652
no

>>2144560
>Recovers from Mongols
what

>Gets bitchy when the Order refuses to yield the land the Pope granted them
dafuq?

>>2148637
/his/ revisionism at its finest

Dick penis cock

Good people. Would be better if they were protestant

>>2149673
>being a filthy heretic
>ever

go away vile anglo

>>2149675
Americans have the best opinion of you. You shouldn't insult Anglos

>>2149700
>of you

I'm not polish.

>being american unironically

lmao enjoy getting shot

>>2149706
And what hellhole are you from

If you have met a pollack you will find out they are among the most timid, soft spoken and gentle people of Europe. This sensitivity naturally makes them wary of strangers, but also devoted workers who focus inwardly on their task at hand.

This shows in their history so much, as they were used and abused by all great powers in Europe. Yet they kept their gentle characteristics. Both the men and women still have that old slavic beauty of the germanic peoples once had when they lived in the forest, that also Russians had but lost due to the harsh weather of Russia.

>>2151701
Nice try Andrzej lmao who are you trying to bullshit
>polish people
>soft spoken
>gentle

>>2151714

Not a Pollack

All the Poles I met are completely the opposite from both Germans, French and Meds. They do not talk in grand gestures nor are ever self aggrandising.

It is this Slavic Catholicism which has made them timid and humble. Their neighbouring baltic neighbours as well as Russians completely lack this introspective quality and are most often dullards.

>>2151739
>slavic catholicism

no such thing downie

>>2148626
What sound does it make?

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>>2151701
This is bait if I've ever seen it and your experience of a few pollacks isn't really relevant to the thread.

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>>2151849
Sure, we all know that proto-slavs were orthodox, russian-speaking and wrote in cyrillics :^)

>>2151701
Literally every country that borders Poland views them as either crooks, thieves or leeches, except for I guess Ukraine who views them as oppressors.

>>2151876
>What sound does it make?
"tsh"

Only some bydło peasants pronounce "trz" as "ch"

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>>2153088
Who cares?

It was always Germans opressing Poles not the other way around.

>>2153099
Poland is a country of extreme hypocrisy.

>Germany oppressing Poles is bad, but Poles oppressing Hohols isn't
>Germany and Russia partitioning Poland is evil, but Poland partitioning Czechoslovakia was okay

etc

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>>2153088
That's because they all are inferior to us and they know it.

>W naszym położeniu geograficznym najgorsze zło tkwi w tym, że jesteśmy otoczeni takimi, od których niczego nauczyć się nie można było, a zarazić niejedną wadą. Od niemieckiej strony sąsiadujemy z najgorszym prusactwem, od wschodu z tępotą prawosławia w kulturze moskiewsko-turańskiej, a od zachodu i południa oglądaliśmy popisy germanizacyjne "w krajach cesarskich". Przez półtrzecią wieku nie istniał naród czeski, słoweński miał się narodzić dopiero w drugiej połowie XIX w., a madiarski wypłynął i utworzył państwo narodowe tylko dzięki sojuszowi z Niemcami. Wszystko dokoła nas było cywilizacyjnie zacofane lub wręcz szkodliwe, ujemne. Sterczymy pośród pustki; tym się tłumaczy niejeden błąd naszej przeszłości. Niebezpiecznie jest być najlepszym ze swego otoczenia. Im niższy poziom dokoła, tym więcej prawdopodobieństwa, że okalająca niższość zwróci się przeciwko niezrozumiałej dla niej wyższości. Od nas przejmowali ościenni ideę narodową, krzepili się na naszej wielkiej poezji, ułożyli swe hymny narodowe według naszej "Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła" i... zwrócili się przeciwko nam.

>>2153106
>Poles oppressing Hohols
Source?
>Poland partitioning Czechoslovakia
They only took Zaolzie. Part of Poland that was taken by Czechs during Polish-Bolshevik war.

If they didn't, that part would belong to Third Reich and it was Polish majority part.

>>2153112
>b-but they only take what was theirs
Gee, as if the Germans and the Russians didn't use the exact same argument when skullfucking Poland in '39.

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>>2153115
Do you understand what majority means?
How did Russians and Germans had any majority in the Polish territory?

Stop baiting.

>>2153106
>Poland opressing hohols
>Poland partitioning czechoslovakia

You forgot that this is history board, not /int/ or /pol/.
Go spread your germshit propaganda and relativization of history somewhere else.

>>2153119
Most of the territory the Russians took was Ukrainian and Belarusian though and those are sure as fuck closer to Russians than to Poles.

>>2153130
How does that make it right though?
What about Germans?

Stop responding, you already proved yourself to be a retard. Now you're sinking even lower.

>>2153130
>Most of the territory the Russians took was Ukrainian and Belarusian though
Wrong
>those are sure as fuck closer to Russians than to Poles
Wrong

>>2153112
>In his postwar memoirs, Winston Churchill, a staunch opponent of appeasement, compared Germany and Poland (who annexed a Polish-speaking part of Czechoslovakia in October 1938) to vultures landing on the dying carcass of Czechoslovakia
>On 22 May, Juliusz Łukasiewicz, the Polish ambassador to France, told the French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet that if France moved against Germany in defense of Czechoslovakia: "We shall not move." Łukasiewicz also told Bonnet that Poland would oppose any attempt by Soviet forces to defend Czechoslovakia from Germany. Daladier told Jakob Surits, the Soviet ambassador to France: "Not only can we not count on Polish support but we have no faith that Poland will not strike us in the back."

Not to mention Poles not only took Zaolzie, but also Orava and Spis.

>>2153152
No one in his sane mind would allow Russians to cross their country.

But you already knew this, you're just baiting.

>>2153183
>everything that goes against Polish narrative is bait/propaganda/bullshit

Great.

>>2153152
>churchill's opinions
into the trash

Pepiks annexed Polish-speaking part of Poland in 1919 and got punished 20 years later. This is fact and you have to deal with it whether you like it or not.

>>2153193
>Orava and Spis
You conveniently skipped that part.

>>2153200
>Land is owned by Austrian monarchy but effectively ruled by Hungarians
>Czechs chimp out and claim every fucking slavic speaking land north of Hungary
>They wonder why people have problem with that
t. different anon

>>2153200
>>2153183
The reason behind annexation was actually that this area had the only railroad between moravia and slovakia. Slovakia was already german puppet state so this would mean being open to german attack from three flanks. Anexation of Zaolzie was mostly strategic move and getting butthurt from this reason is kind of silly.

Also Spis was actually part of commonwealth and had quite large polish population afair.

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>>2153200
No, I didn't. Orawa and Spisz were Polish in majority too and those Poles were natives there.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that we were always saints. What I want to say is that Pepiks shouldn't hold any grudges against us because they backstabbed us first, provoking whole conflict.
What I find funny is also that in those times Czechs were dreaming about creating Czech Empire, they were planning to annex not only Polish part of Silesia but also Małopolska and Eastern Galicia including Kraków and Lwów. So, really, they are the last ones to talk about clay stealing and partitioning.

>>2137092
I'm from Poland;anything special. It's a shitty country that can't afford anything or make something great. Not even worth reading about.

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Please save our culture.

>>2153229
>>2153235
>Czechoslovakia inherits the area from Hungary
>international arbitration rules it should belong to Czechoslovakia
>the locals overwhelmingly identify with Czechoslovakia
>Poles take it anyway

>>2153235
They weren't majority Polish, they were majority Goral which is a transitional ethnic goup between Poles and Slovaks.

>>2153272
I'm sorry but Górals always considered themselves as Poles

>>2153287
Only in Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorals

>For most Gorals today, the decisive factor in their self-identification with a nationality is not ethnic but territorial. For example, those living in areas under a long tradition of belonging to the Polish state identify themselves as Polish, while those living in Slovakia have identified themselves as Slovaks, with notable exceptions to this rule on both sides of the border. While the origin of the Goral dialect is Polish,[15] the language of Gorals in Slovakia and in the Czech Republic is gradually shifting and increasingly becoming more similar to the literary standard in their respective countries.

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>>2153268
>Czechoslovakia inherits the area from Hungary
Even though Hungarians themselves didn't want it
>international arbitration rules it should belong to Czechoslovakia
"International rules" is literally Great Powers trying to keep balance of power/making realpolitik
>the locals overwhelmingly identify with Czechoslovakia
That's why Poles took regions that were populated by polish population... and that's why they were greeted by flowers :^)
>Poles take it anyway
After Czechs stole it anyway
Either way it's survival of the fittest baby, Danzig isn't Polish either :^)

>>2153310
Well the Great Powers keeping a balance of power is literally the reason why Poland even got recreated so can't really have it both ways.

>>2153268
Topkek. Educate yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

>>2153321
>the Great Powers keeping a balance of power is literally the reason why Poland even got recreated
Nope. Poland got revived by Poles, not some "great powers"

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>>2153355

>>2153359
You do realise Poland fought Russia literally a few months after ww1 ended right? If the west created Poland then they sure as hell didn't do anything else seeing as it was Poland that stopped Lenin and Trotsky from their worldwide revolution plans.

>>2153424
>Poland that stopped Lenin and Trotsky from their worldwide revolution plans.
>Poles still believe this

>>2153424
Poland got a shitload of help from France during that war. I'm not even mentioning that Poland literally started that war by attacking Russia in the middle of a civil war.

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>>2153430
>>2153450
>these kacapian fairytales
ayy

>>2153430
>Red Army retreating from Warsaw and Russia having to give up land is somehow not Poland stopping the red army
>Germany which was on the brink of revolution wouldn't have quickly became communist once Lenin and friends showed up on the border
Lenin knew that if he could destroy Poland then Germany was ripe for a socialist revolution.

>>2153450
>attacking Russia in the middle of a civil war
They didn't attack Russia, they attacked Commies which was a big difference at the time. Don't speak about shit you have no idea about because it only makes you look retarded.

>>2153455
>Germany which was on the brink of revolution
Yes, monarchist and right-wing revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapp_Putsch

The communists were already easily destroyed in 1919. There wasn't any threat of a communist revolution in 1920 or 1921. Polish historiography is full of laughable shit like this.

>>2153469
>Spartacist revolt got crushed and suddenly all communist sympathisers dissapeared
Retard

Also the Brown Shirts when not killing jews and making rad street marches assasinated prominent leftists and commies all the way up to the late 20's

>>2153483
There was not a threat of a communist revolution in Germany in 1920. This is fact.

>Lenin knew that if he could destroy Poland then Germany was ripe for a socialist revolution.
This is just nonsense. Look what happened with the Ruhr uprising.

>>2153494
I think what anon was talking about was that Communist revolution was possible with Red Army support. the Red Army couldn't provide any support as long as Poland was cockblocking them.

>>2153092
>>2148626

you must be really unaware of your speech because trz make a czsz sound. Listen to the next person you talk to.

Oh, glad to see another episode of
>Poland is le evil scum, they
>they...
>tries to google something
>THEY annexed Zaolzie!