ITT: memes that need to die >the civil war was about states

>the tsar deserved it

>byzantine was the sucessor of rome

>holy
>roman
>empire

>>2133441
It wasn't the sucessor of rome

it WAS rome

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>Christian heritage is European tradition and must never be destroyed
>when Christians themselves completely destroyed the pagan heritage of Europe

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>Charles De Gaulle wasn't one of the best statesmen in history

>>2133464
Varg go fuck your autistic wife so she can pump out some more aryan benefits babies

>>2133464
kill yourself neo pagan

>>2133471
>americans do everything for him while he hides like a pussy
>in his speech he takes responsibility for france's liberation

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>>2133475
>>2133482

>>2133485
We're not arguing with you, we just think you're autistic.

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>>2133514

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>Crusaders was a self-defense

>>2133409

>the civil war was about states rights
It was, or is this gonna be >muh slavery thread
>in 1776, britain was the most powerful nation on earth, with the best army on the planet
Name more powerful one

>>2133529
>It was, or is this gonna be >muh slavery thread
Yeah I agree, OP is a faggot.

>Name more powerful one
France

Unless you think revolutionary france's ability to conquer europe came out of ideological magic

>>2133529
Well you could try and dispute the
>best army
part, but in reality no matter how powerful they were and how good their navy was they weren't capable of effectively projecting that power across an entire ocean back in the age of sail.

>>2133529
It was about slavery faggot.

>Name more powerful one
France
Spain
Austria

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>the american war of independence was fought by americans
>the americans won militarily

>>2133409
>hitler would've won if he had listened to his generals

probably true though desu

>>2133538
>Spain
>Late 18th century
>Austria ever
You don't belong here.

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>>2133409
>france always surrender lel


THE LIES HAVE TO STOP

>>2133538
>It was about slavery faggot.

What about the fact that the Southerners were living in poverty and basically second class citizens?

>>2133548
Spain had a larger colonial empire and a larger standing army.

>>2133538
Wouldn't argue about France tbqh.
Wouldn't dispute Spain as an answer, I don't know enough about its history to do so.

But
>Austria
My sides.

And no, acw wasn't about slavery. The fact that south's economy was reliant on it doesn't mean that it was the cause of the war. Your statement is the myth senpai, that's the shit children around the globe are taught in high school.

>>2133544
Only if they'd advice him not to start the war with the rest of the world.

>>2133554
They were tricked by wealthy land owners into fighting to retain slavery.

If it was about state rights, the state's right to what exactly?

>>2133544
Impossibru. Germany couldn't win against US, USSR and GB together, and any notion of possibility of taking out GB early on and preventing US from joining in are meme-tier since Germany had neither the ships nor the planes for it. Even fighting USSR one-on-one would've had bad odds, and US is out of reach of any meaningful counterattack.

>>2133557
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4

>>2133560
>If it was about state rights, the state's right to what exactly?
Not be second class citizens in their own country?

>>2133566
Please tell me all about how they were second class citizens.

Fun Fact: Davis himself literally said the CSA was founded on the philosophy the negro was not equal to the white man

>>2133560
>If it was about state rights, the state's right to what exactly?
The right to secede)))

>>2133574
'Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.[1]'

>>2133562
Hitler could have prevented Dunkirk which would have resulted in Churchill never becoming prime minister. Instead he wanted to signalize the UK that he was willing to end the war with Britain. Pretty much every British politian wanted to negotiate with Hitler. If he would continue listening to his generals at this point, he would invade the UdSSR and the war would be over in his favor.

>>2133580
>Hitler could have prevented Dunkirk
No. There are no historical sources backing up this myth.

The real reason the Germans stopped was to refuel and resupply, to prevent another battle of the marne. Guderian himself said this.

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>>2133552
t. Jean Claude le Grenouille

Everyone please read.

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/southcarolina_declaration.asp

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>>2133485
>>2133521

>>2133577
Confederate apologisist BTFO

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>>2133475
>>2133482
>All these christfags triggered as fuck

>>2133679
>desert death cult
>neo-""""""pagan"""""" LARPers
Different flavours of same shit.

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>>2133409
>Any form of authoritarianism I don't like is automatically fascism

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>>2133475
>>2133482
>>2133514

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>>2133686
>implying that is true
>Recognizing that paganism, Faustian spirit and Greek culture is Europe's true heritage and not Christianity makes you a neo-pagan

>>2133580
Churchill was already PM.

>>2133694
>saying "true heritage" with a stirner pic

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>>2133710
>implying it can't be a spook and 'true heritage' at the same time

>>2133679
>>2133694
>hahaha morality doesn't exist so i'll post Nietzsche and stirner i'm so well read
>who cares that paganism is also a system of arbitrary morals and Nietzsche stated religion itself existed to hold people back from achieving their potential

>linbybeige is a historian

He's a dance techer

>>2133729
t. cucked by lindy

>>2133729
He has a bach degree. In archeology of all things. At least a quarter of posters here probably has more formal education in history than him.

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>>2133548
>>2133529
Spain still had a bigger empire than Britain in the late 18th century
Britain was really just a 2nd rate european nation
The meme of it being a superpower during the US Revolution was created by Americans who purpotedly (for the most intelligent of them) confuse 1776 Britain with the late 19th century one (the one that ruled 1/3rd of the world) to make their victory seem more impressive

>>2133557

>> Children around the globe being taught about the american civil war

Lmao delusional as fuck
Not even in the states its correctly taught

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>>2133522
>The muslims fear the crusaders
>When almost every crusade ended in failure
Deus vultards are a special kind of stupid.

>>2133740
>>2133556
>Spain is BIG
>BIG means STRONG
BIG means your forces are more spread out and it's harder to defend yourself.

>the civil war was about states rights

true

and the lynchpin issue was slavery

if it had been over something minor it wouldn't have caused a secession

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>>2133557
>Austria
>My sides.

You're laughing but Austria was easily the 2nd most powerful country in Europe (after France) during the late 18th century
They didnt have any projection so they're irrelevant in the scope of colonial wars, but in Europe they were tough shit
Austria itself was quite huge, but in addition to that they also owned current Germany, Italy, Belgium and Prussia was their vassal under the HRE
Pic related, everything in yellow was basically Austria's possession

>>2133754
The spanish Empire was strong though. They had an incredibly powerful trade network and access to huge amounts of resources, an insanely large population with their colonies and an impressive army and navy.

The war of independence wasn't very impressive.

>>2133719
I wasn't mocking morality and pointing out that Christianity is not a native European culture but something that was imported into Europe

>>2133762
> They had an incredibly powerful trade network and access to huge amounts of resources
All of that benefitted the Dutch and English more than it ever did the Spanish since 17th century
>an insanely large population with their colonies
That was never used for anything significant
>impressive navy
kek

>>2133776
>That was never used for anything significant
That's not what we're debating. We're debating if they were more powerful than England.
>kek
Great argument

>>2133785
>That's not what we're debating
It is though. All that population is dead weight, Spanish didn't use them in anything because they couldn't, because of logistics alone.
>Great argument
Your statement demanded such a response.

>Rome fell because of [one single reason that perfectly supports my political views]

>>2133776
>>2133795
No one's saying that 18th century Spain was an ebin superpower
We're just saying that England was even weaker

>>2133795
>It is though. All that population is dead weight, Spanish didn't use them in anything because they couldn't, because of logistics alone.
Except for taxation and industry. Militarily useless, but economically powerful.

>Your statement demanded such a response.
The Spanish Navy was strong as fuck. Maybe not as powerful as the British or French, but still a powerful fleet. Due to Spain's more or less good relationship with France, they used their navy more than their army.

>>2133801
It was lead used in the tableware.

>>2133808
>not Christianity
>not mass immigration
>not an out of control bourgeois class
>not the rise of feudalism

>>2133818
why are you seriously responding to a joke post you fucking autist

>>2133822
>expanding on the joke he derived from my original post is serious

t. lead in aquaducts

>>2133825
He's not me though. But for real, I saw the lead theory pushed a couple times on History Channel back before their ancient aliens era. It wasn't the sole theory proposed, but to this day I think this is the most retarded explanation in history of anything.

>>2133742
I am from a slavic country and slavery has always been presented as the reason for ACW to begin.

Also,
>ever using American education as an argument

>>2133446
This.

>>2133566
Every single state (except for Texas) in their secession statements specifically referred to their rights as slave-owning states. Even Kansas, who's population initially didn't want to be a slave-owning state.

>>2134446
Actually I'm a bit wrong. It was actually Florida, not Texas.

>>2133446
Fucking This

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>>2133485
>>2133679
>>2133691

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>>2134681
Shit wrong pic

>>2133409
>Islamic golden age

>Britain ever won a war

>>2133765
yeah dude and the fucking anglo-saxons aren't "native" to britain either and no one says they aren't a native culture to the british isles in this day and age

unless i'm accidentally about to start a hot new meme of "romano-britain revivalism"

>>2133739

And yet hes probably more successful than half of this board.

>>2133761
>2nd most powerful country in Europe
That wpuld be Russia. Also Austria's army was garbage

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>>2133529
>>in 1776, britain was the most powerful nation on earth, with the best army on the planet
If the British Army landed in Europe, I'd get the Belgian police to arrest them.

>>2133577
#utterdecimation

>>2136735
This. The british army was small and poorly equipped.

>>2136626
What?

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>>2133409
It's disturbing to me that so little amount of people know about the truth of WW1

>>2133409
>the civil war wasn't about states rights
The civil war was caused by a variety of factors including and not limited to: States rights, slave ownership, sectionalism, taxes and tarrifs, and a prominate southern aristocracy.

>>2133577
"I have no intention to bring political or economic equality between the negro and the white man"
-Abraham Lincoln

>>2133430
This.

>>2133409
>Nazi Germany was a utopia if you were 'Aryan'

>>2133808
It was actually hella used in the f*ckin'epic, reddit

>>2137138
Slavery was the overwhelming factor.

>>2137139
Obviously not, but the war was to end slavery, not racial equality.

>>2137158
>slavery was the overwhelming factor
It was caused by a large combination of factors, none explicitly dominate than the others by any matter other than opinion.

>>2134683
varg vikerness

>>2133534

Pretty sure France lost that war to the British mate. The British didn't have the strongest army at the time but they did have the strongest military

>all Christianity is bad and there are no exceptions

So much Christian hate in this thread. Atleast we had managed to reform,unlike the jews and mudslimes. Why even bother hating us,we are your friends. I understand you not liking catholics though.fuck the new socialist pretender pope. He is a poor exscuse of a pope and he will burn in hell with the rest of the sinners he is exscusing and protecting.

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>>2137183
>France lost the revolutionary wars

And if you mean the napoleonic wars
>lost to the British

>not to the huge coalition

>>2137191
>we

Stopped reading there.

Kill yourself, christcuck.

>>2137202
That is not an arguement and you know it

>all these neo-pagans implying that paganism is any different from the abrahamic religions
It's all a bunch of stupid "traditions" and "moral" ideas that only have emotional use and delay man's evolution. One should rely on reason and logic, not arbritrary stories from cavemen who barely knew how to survive

>>2133409
>the civil war was about states rights
But it is true, it just so happens that the main right in question was the right to own slaves.

>>2133891

Argument for what? Are you retarded?

I was mocking him for assuming that the american civil war is taught worldwide and from the muh states rights approach.

>>2137183
this is what the anglos actually believe

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>Black people are subhumans

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>>2137226
>delay man's evolution.

This implies that there's a set goal evolution works towards, and there's no such thing as

As, get FRIESED bitch

>>2137453
Hallo Friese onderdanen! Ik ben gemaakt van goud!

t. Karel de Grote

>>2137480

Pleur op Karel, jij stomme brabo

>>2137480
>>2137483
>>>/int/

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>>2133471
>betraying 900k of your countrymen after they bring you to power

>>2133409
>germany started ww1

one of these things is not like the other...

>>2133529
>Name more powerful one

Qing China

>>2137183

>France lost the Napoleonic Wars to the Brits

Eternal Anglo never changes

>>2133409
>germany started ww1
>>2133430
>the tsar deserved it
But these are literally true

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>>2133409

>a brit was the best admiral

>>2136965
What am I looking at here?

>>2137679
AH started it. Germany and, to a lesser degree, Russia turned it into a world war. But your right, Nicky deserved it.

>>2137716
cancer

>>2137689
That's a fuckhuge sword.

>>2137183
Get a load of this faggot
Britain wasn't even in the Top 3 best european militaries during the Napoleonic Wars
Number 1 was obviously France (needed a coalition to beat them), number 2 was Russia (biggest coalition contributor), number 3 was Prussia.
And the number 4 still wasn't Britain, it was Austria

>>2137742
Being able to bankroll 6 coalitions ought to count for something though.

>>2137763
It's economical strength, not military one
This faggot >>2137183 claimed Britain had the strongest military

>>2137165
Yes they do. Davis himself said the CSA was founded on slavery.

>>2137897
b-but muh lost cause confederacy!

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>everyone in the middle ages thought the world was flat
If people didn't really believe that, why do we believe that they believed that?

>>2133804
industry, he says. In colonial spain, he says.

Get a load of this massive faggot.

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>some shit about drinking kool-aid

IT WAS FLAVOR-AID AND THEY WERE FORCED TO DRINK IT BY GUARDS

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>the fr*nch are human

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>>2133430
Pls no bully muh Russian Monarch.

>>2133566
>non-americans acting like they know american history

>>2137165
That's clearly wishful thinking on your part.
Of course slavery was the biggest factor, it was the backbone of their economy, and if it was abolished it would mean they would lose their free labor

>>2139086
>free labour
>free

>>2139094
You're right, they would lose their labour altogether

>>2139104
>moving goalposts
Having slaves is anything but free labour.
They would soon learn during the industrial era that wage labour is more efficient than slave labour

>>2133471
What he did with those radio broadcasts was monumentally ballsy.

>The virginia battle flag isn't even the symbol of the confederate government there's no reason for it to have a greater sense of significance.
To the tune of a thousand smarmy hipsters who flunked every single exam on the civil war.

>>2133446

>Byzantine was rome

This amount of autism should not be legal.

>>2139645
With the fall of the West Empire, the remaining "East" certainly would have been considered to be "Roman" by the people of the time.

>>2139660

They were considered "Roman" by first-tier autists.

They were considered Grecian by everyone else.

>>2133464
The christcucks couldn't even wipe out paganism 100%. It's why we still have Christmas and catholic saints are just the cuck version of ancient hero cults.

>>2133538
Sorry but the American Civil war was purely economic. Slaves where just an economic factor. "Freeing the slaves" is just some altruism in return for killing your own countrymen.

>>2139660

cant be roman without rome, friendo

>>2137716
I think it's some furfags interpretation of Franz Ferdinands assassination

>>2133409
>the civil war was about states rights
No one except /pol/tards believes this

>hitler would've won if he had listened to his generals
Agreed, this fucking meme needs to die.

>france always surrender lel
no one outside the US believes this.

>in 1776, britain was the most powerful nation on earth, with the best army on the planet
Same as above

>everyone in the middle ages thought the world was flat
This is hard to get trough most people's heads because they think medievals=100% retarded

>mussolini was an evil racist
He was a cartoonish villain that decided to conquer Ethiopia because lolniggers. He got what he deserved in the end desu.

>britain and france started ww2
Again, only alt-righters believe this.

>germany started ww1
They did.

>>2133409
>the civil war was about states rights
hahaha ebin

Here's how it is. The South's economy was totally reliant on the money brought in by thebig cash crop plantations, it'd trickle down as the plantation owners bought goods produced by people lower in the economy, basic economics you may have heard of it.

So you might imagine that, if your entire economy was reliant on a certain institution to keep functional, you would view efforts to abolish that institution to be literally a threat to your way of life. Particularly if the people trying to abolish this institution were more economically and, at least starting to be, politically powerful than you. You might even feel that your basic rights to live life and enjoy liberty outlined in the Constitution were potentially in jeopardy.

So, if the question is "Was the Civili War about slavery or states' rights?", it could be fairly said that it was about both. And if you were to just say that it was about slavery, it would only be valid to say "it was about protecting the institution of slavery which would allow their economy to not collapse", not "they just hated niggers so goddam much they'd rather fight a bloody war than let em be free", which is often what people imply when they say "it was about slavery".

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>>2139663
[primary sources required]

PS: liutprand of cremona is not a reliable testimony (though hilarious)

>>2139989
So this is roman?

>>2140035
I forgot what declaration of succession it was, but also one of the Soutern states was pissed at the free states for not returning state property (slaves), which they said violated the constitution.

>>2140035
So...yeah, it was about slavery no matter how you look at it.

>>2138966
What the fuck

>>2133409
>britain and france started ww2
Very few people say this to my knowledge.

>germany started ww1
Couldn't agree more. I'm not praising to diplomacy of Germany in the days leading to the start of the War, but they were supporting their ally after a member of said ally's royal family had been gunned down in the street. But I guess we need to keep spouting the "le germans be ebil :DD;D".

Seriously though, many parties deserve blame. France did a similar thing to Germany, except they were just supporting their ally in maintaing it's geopolitical interests, no one France pledged to protect had been attacked. Or Russia, for getting up in Austria's business when one could reasonably assume they had German backing. Or fuck, the Austrians just HAD to test the Russians, didn't they?

>>2137956
Same reason people think The Crucible is a historically accurate account of the Salem witch trials: I have no fucking clue so I just have to assume everyone but me is retarded.

>>2140042
...Yes, but as I said you can't just say "it was about slavery", because people will hear that and think "they couldn't stand the idea of not being able to whip their slaves every day".

People will fight to defend their life and livelihood, who could have guessed. Fucking evil southerners amirite

>>2136685
Well It doesn't really matter how much money he makes or how many cute Finnish girls he dances with because he's often just fucking wrong. Not only that, but extremely anglocentric in his interpretations even when he does have the facts right.

I fucking hate this defense "YEAH BUT HE HAS MONEY AND IS PROB HAPPY". Well it's a good thing this argument isn't about whether or not I'm personally better than lindybeige.

>>2137956
>>2140048
It's because of the englightement philosophers spreading retarded myths about the middle ages to justify their opposition to the monarchy and the church.

>everyone thought the world was flat
>primae noctis was real and if you were a peasant you got cucked
>inquisition killed ten gajillion people because they said Earth is round
>everyone in the middle ages smelled like shit because nobody washed
>all nobles were degenerates and indulged in sodomy, satanic orgies and child rape

100% of these myths can be traced back to the enlightement and the rennaisance

>>2137191
Lmao the Jews reformed to a much greater extent than the Christians. Hence why they fit in better in civilized countries.

As for Muslims, well wahhabism was the reform, unfortunately.

>>2140069
>the rennaisance
Speaking of memes that need to die

>>2136965
I don't know why but the fact that Franz Ferdinand is driving the car himself is the funniest thing about the picture.

>>2137956
Columbus's biography from the 19th century.

>>2139541
Isn't it the navy flag?

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>>2140044
>France did a similar thing to Germany, except they were just supporting their ally in maintaing it's geopolitical interests, no one France pledged to protect had been attacked.

The difference is that unlike Germany, France didnt, you know, declare war on everyone turning a local conflict into a world war

They even withdrew their army 10kms away from the border in order to appease tensions, but the Germans used that to raid a French village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirmish_at_Joncherey

>>2133577
>Our new government
Key words. The secession was over slavery but the war was not.

>>2133409
That fucking frog

>>2139663
Even in the Western Empire Ravenna and Milan displaced Rome as capital for quite a time. You can have a Roman Empire without ruling in Rome

>>2140044
>but they were supporting their ally after a member of said ally's royal family had been gunned down in the street.
If you had actually read about the period from Ferdinand's death to the outbreak of war you'd know that it was not some knee-jerk emotional reaction by Germany going "muh ally's honor".

>>2140298
The secession led to the war you numbskull.

>>2140030
>no one outside x believes this
doesn't change the fact it needs to die

>>2138966
Fuck your monarch

>>2133430

He actually deserved it and so did his retarded wife. He wasn't malevolent, but his incompetence caused the Russian empire to collapse.

>Eastern Prussian territories belong to Germany


Triggers me to no end. Fuckers are clueless about the fact that germans ethnically cleansed the entire provinces of poles in the 19th century. More so when those territories were the original lands of the polish Kingdom in the 10th century

>the civil war was about states rights
>the civil war was about slavery
For the South, secession was about Slavery
For the North, it was about preserving the Union and Federal supremacy

I don't know why everyone has to throw the argument one way.

>>2134446
Firstly, Kansas didn't secede, they had a constant shitflinging with Missouri.
Secondly, Texas mentioned grievances over the federal government not doing as promised about native American raiding as well as slavery. So there's that.

>>2140907
Because >MUH slavery is the only way the north can justify their actions. While ignoring it is the only way the south can justify their actions.

>>2137742
>number 2 was Russia (biggest coalition contributor
When will Russia stop being given credit for burning their own nation to the ground, and holding out just long enough for winter to save them.

>>2140030
>>germany started ww1
>They did
That depends, when did it start for you? If it started when Franz got shot no that is not the Germans fault, if it is the invasion of Belgium and bringing the United Kingdom into the war then yes it is their fault. Or if it is their failing at diplomacy leading to the creation of the Russian alliance with France then yes it's their fault.

>>2133529
>Name more powerful one
Believe it or not, Holland had better pound to pound troops than most country's save Prussia and France

>>2140890
Eastern Prussia was part of the founding states of Prussia, they are more German then polish or were before the Soviets deported everyone and colonized it.

>>2133538
>Austria
As an Austrian the only advantage we have throughout history was numbers and our unity through Catholicism, no one claimed we had aumazing linemen

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>>2133430
Nicky is based

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>>2133464

>>2137200
>That list of beligerents
Wha the hell was Mysore trying to accoplish by supporting the french?

>>2133430
He did and so did the kulaks.

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>>2133409
/his/ is /pol/ with dates, OP.

/his/ was always going to be /pol/ with dates.

>>2141168
stealing EIC clay probs

>>2139267
>implying wage labor isn't slavery

>>2141140
>Eastern Prussia was part of the founding states of Prussia

Which was a couple of hundred years after it was integral part of Poland.

> they are more German then polish or were before the Soviets deported everyone and colonized it.

And they were more polish than german or were before the germans deported everyone and colonized it.

>>2141353
Are you dumb? Those lands were taken by the Tutonic Order from Prussian and other Baltic people, when were Baltic people polish?

That black people weren't better off as slaves.

>>2141368

I was talking about Silesia and Pomerania

>>2141395
The only real claim I see as polish is gdansk, Silesia and Pomerania are more germanic states them they are polish.

>>2141262
it isnt.
but nice meme

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>>2141417
>Silesia and Pomerania are more germanic states them they are polish.

>>2141440
Territories occupied by Poland =/= Poland

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>>2141514
>Territories occupied by X state =/= X state

>>2141527
>US occupied Germany
>Germany=US

>>2141562
You have no idea of what you're talking about, do you.

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>>2141567
Real Poland on the map of Europe.

>>2137177
should've brought his electroshock pistol

>>2137191
I have never had a Jew personally bother me in my entire life. Ever. People on the internet say they are, though. I think I've met like, maybe three Jews.

>>2140043
Japanese post-victory poster talking shit about Russian Tsar and his losses after that Japano-Russo War.

>>2133464
>implying paganism is native to Europe
Pagan scum killed off the native neanderthal, they're just as European as Christianity.

>>2141601
that's wielkopolska

>>2133688
I really like this one.