On the eve of the traditional date of the birth of a young boy named Yeshua, let's turn to his forefather, David. I'm sure some of you are aware that some of Saul's house had baal names, including his successor to the throne, Ishbaal (censored as Ish-bosheth in Samuel), and Jonathan's son, Meribaal (Mephi-bosheth in Samuel).But Saul's line is not alone in the bible, Baal names occur even in the line of David.
Here's 2nd Samuel 5:16, a segment of a list of the names of children born to David in Jerusalem:
>Elishama, Eliada, and Eliphelet
At first glance we can find no trace, not even a hint of ba'al in this list, unlike the quite suspicious bosheth censors (as it means shame). El names are already known to be common in the bible. However once again chronicles produces hidden gems. Here is the same list from 1st Chronicles 14:7:
>Elishama, Beeliada, and Eliphelet
The author of Samuel's censor is revealed. There are some who would argue that there is no guarantee that these names are specifically referencing Ba'al Hadad. Ba'al, although often used as shorthand for Hadad, could be used to for several other gods as it simply is the title lord, it could perhaps even be refering to Ba'al YHWH. However this fails to account for why these names would need to be censored later.
Though in a way I think this criticism is exactly right: these names could be refering Yahweh as Ba'al, but not Ba'al Yahweh. There's a rather curious name of a warrior who joined David at Ziklag in 1st Chronicles 12:6- Bealiah, which translates to Ba'al is Yah. This could support the theory that Ba'al was used as a title for Yahweh, or it could be a proclamation that Yahweh IS Ba'al. This would follow what has been know for a long time, which is that YHWH's cult was quite heavily synchronized with Ba'al's, from the residence of Mount Zaphon, being refered to as the "cloud rider" to the slaying of Leviathan. Cont.
Also, there is support for this Ba'al is Yahweh theory in the Elijah tradition of Kings.
>1st Kings 18:21
>Elijah approached all the people and said, "How long will you keep hopping between two opinions? If YHWH is God (translated from elohim), follow him, and if Baal, follow him!"
According to Elijah, Elohim (literally gods, but often used in the bible in the singular in much the same way that we use God in english instead of god) was identified as both Yahweh and Ba'al. In other words Yahweh and Ba'al were considered to be the same deity. I propose that in the early development towards monotheism both Yahweh and Ba'al were both considered to be the Most High god, Elohim. But at some point Yahweh purists began trying to purge the Ba'al from the cult.
Jews are LARPer, nothing new
>>2132849
I don't follow
>>2132849
What exactly are you saying here?
>>2132849
Time to bump with an interesting episode in 2nd Samuel 5:20:
>And David came to Baalperazim, and David smote them (Philistines) there, and said, The LORD has broken forth on my enemies before me, as the breach of waters. Therefore he called the name of that place Baalperazim.
>>2132849
Did you even read?
maybe one more bump
Ba'al is just a word that meant "lord." It was a title that was apparently applied to many different gods in the Canaanite pantheon, Yahweh included.
>>2135431
I know, and I mentioned that in the OP. However Ba'al was also commonly used to refer to specifically Ba'al Hadad.