What are your thoughts on this man, /his/?

Living proof that karma doesn't exist.

>>2115752
Based, Bismarck tier diplomatic genius.

>>2115752
Flawed genius

Can he please die soon

When will people realize that his alliance with China to counter Russia was motivated, above all, by typical Jewish hatred of white, Christian civilization, that he thought the (officially atheist!) Soviet Union represented?

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>>2115752
Turkey necked kike

>>2115805
That's interesting. Where'd you read that, stormfront?

i want to pick apart his brain and absorb his powers

>>2115752
Proof that you can get away with war crimes if you're a rich person of power in a winning nation.

how is he alive? dick chaney is another how is he alive muthfucker

basically, war crimes are OK if you win

>>2115752
I too want to be The Jew Behind the Throne.

>>2115752
Utterly fucking based and did literally nothing wrong. He has a good answer for every "evil" thing he did, from Pakistan to Laos. Diplomacy, On China, and World Order are three excellent books of his I have read in the past year.

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>>2115752
Complex. I have great respect for the man, but he has done a lot I do not agree with. Also he served as the inspiration for one of the single greatest characters in animation.

>>2115868
Stormfront or /pol/ would never suggest russians are white

>>2115752
Thats not a man, but a devil,

Read this article first

>http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/11/kissinger-order-and-chaos/506876/

He's a brilliant foreign policy specialist, and I think he's very right on China and his critiques of Obama's approach to China.

At the same time, he helped orchestrate some pretty gruesome war crimes, and continues to justify's Obama's war crimes.

>>2115752
ETA should have killed him along with Carrero Blanco, too bad they did not have the chance.

>give an interview a few days ago
>criticize Obama for being a retrenchment president
>based off Obama's campaign and his expressed philosophy
>besides pulling out of the wars, which any president would had to have done, Obama's expanded use of force and sanctions

>same interview praises Trump for bringing new era of expansionist policies
>Despite Trump's campaign promises and expressed world view
>Despite Trump plans to retreat from Palestinian, Korean, Ukrainian L, Syrian negotiations
>Despite plans to remove sanctions

The man is a neocon svengali. He wormed his way into power by telling Republicans what they wanted to hear about how the only thing that mattered was how big and strong and tough they were against da gommies.

His great accomplishment was taking centrist-liberal ideas about disarmament and convincing Republicans they were really badass *le memepolitiK* and taking military establishment ideas about use of force and convincing Republicans that literally nothing bad would ever come from any of it.

To this day, he is in denial about the massive amount of blowback we still suffer from because his idealismpolitik.

He's long been reduced to a partisan, blindly supporting any Republican who pretends they are a cowboy.

In a word: hack.

>>2115752
He helped fuck over my country (Cyprus)

I don't know what it is about him, but he makes me incredibly moist.

itt: buttmad gommies

>>2116383
>pulling out of iraq
>the right move
Oh boy

Why is he famous when ever single US defence secretary did bad stuff?

>>2116516
Because he was infinitely more effective and influential

Do people get buttmad at Kissinger for involving us with Chile? The Chileans were practically begging for it and Allende was destroying the place

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>>2116495

>decade long occupations in religious sectarian wars

Yeah, great idea m8, totes gonna work

I am sure you are signing up to fight back to back tours as I type, Mr. Big Tough Cowboy

Did nothing wrong, praise Nixon.

>>2116593
Regardless of what you think before the fact, pulling out was a mistake once we were there.

>>2117359

Don't you have something better to be doing Mr. Rumsfeld?

4chan isn't Congress, we won't believe your shilling here.

>>2115752
I'm gonna celebrate when he dies in like a week

As Tom Lehrer said, political satire died when he got the Nobel Peace Prize.

>>2116495
We've done all we can to help the government they have now. We can't babysit these goatfuckers forever.

>>2117388
Dubs confirm

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>>2117388
Meme magic is real now, so this better happen.

>>2115752

Reptilian.

he wrote great books

>>2115752
Bizzaro Noam Chomsky

>>2117495
Genius reptilian.

>>2115752
He's a war criminal who, in a just world, would be hung from the nearest lamppost along with every other imperialist goblin and robber baron.

But moral considerations aside, Kissinger is a pretty clever strategist who is responsible in no small part for hamstringing and outpacing the Soviet Union, hastening its eventual collapse. We really should study what made his foreign policy so effective, to determine if we can emulate his strategy in ways that don't kill millions of people.

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>>2117495
>>2117512
amphibian actually

>>2115805
lmao this is good bait

>>2116516
The length of his tenure

>>2117512
Not likely. The genius ones don't get caught.

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>>2115752

>nixon said he didn't trust Jews EXCEPT for (((Kissinger)))

and people still say that Nixon was sharp

>>2115778
Underrated answer

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>>2116524
Not remotely. More people liked Allende than not, because his policies hugely reduced poverty, increased quality of life at a speed never again seen in Latin America, and began bringing Chile's infrastructure to the standards of the West.

Literally his only problem was being unable to diversify the economy during a time when the price of copper was low and inflation was high.

If you want to talk about the destruction of Chile, look at what happened under Pinochet before he fired the Chicago Boys and ended the lolbertarian insanity that left 20% unemployed and 25% in destitute poverty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_1982

>>2116354
You have obviously never been to stormfront you reddit nigger.

>>2117557
>only trusted one
Still sharper than the average person

>>2115752
He was fucking based. Moralfags, commies and stormfags are just butthurt at being outsmarted by "muh evil ameriKKKan capitalist pigdog jew".

>>2116375
>I think he's very right on China and his critiques of Obama's approach to China

He says almost nothing on either in this article

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>>2117593
>going to stormfront

LOL

>>2115812
What is this image supposed to be? Why did you save this?

>>2117900
Not him but if I recall right, suggesting that Slavs aren't white is a bannable offense in stormfront, although on /pol/, the debate on the whiteness of the Slav is ongoing.

>>2117526

>thinking there's any way to rule the world and not kill a whole bunch of people

You people are naive.

>>2118728

>Finally understanding why US conservatives want to stick to a defined and limited government, and not rule the world.

>>2118766
Terrible pose. With the sole exceptions of Trump and the Lolbertarians, Republicans are universally more imperialistic than Democrats.

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>>2118766
>US conservatives want to stick to a defined and limited government, and not rule the world
Really now?

>>2115752
>"""""man""""""

>>2118766
>he thinks Ron Paul is a good representative of American conservatism

You poor soul.

>>2115752
Why do people hate him? What did he do?

>>2116593
We left the place in fucking ruin for election votes

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>>2117584
Oh yeah he was loved

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Crisis

>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_1982

Happened because of a fixed exchange rate, something directly contrary to lobertarian policies

>>2117526
>to determine if we can emulate his strategy in ways that don't kill millions of people
Who cares if leftists end up dead.

>>2120449
^

what makes him a genius?

which of his foreign policy decisions were particularly insightful? There doesn't anything that hard about "prioritise whatever is in our self interest above all else".

Isn't his only "genius" in climbing the ladder to get to that position in the first place? I don't see how any one of his superiors would have made different decisions or done a worse job if they had turned off their moral compass and only did whatever was best for the USA.

Is that what counts as genius? having a value system that only values self-interest?

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>>2120449

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>>2115752
I'm going to take a dump on his grave.

>>2115752
So kike that he morphed into something else

The first reptilian

>>2120449
>dosen't know about Pol Pot

>>2118716
There is no debate, Slavs are white. Trolling and juvenile /int/ bait is not a debate.

>>2121057
Can a group be subhuman and white? Last I checked all nazi propoganda of slavs at the time depicted them as this subhuman group and below the untermensch.

>>2121067
Last time I checked you have a very poor knowledge of the subject.

>>2121080
Sorry Pyotr

>>2116354
>Stormfront or /pol/ would never suggest russians are white

no european considers americans as white either, too mixed.

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>>2121099
The opinion of actual nazi racial scientists would be a good starting point.

>>2116354
>Stormfront or /pol/ would never suggest russians are white

So this week we pretend /pol/ is anti-Russian and next week we'll say they are pro-Russian and tell anybody not anti-Russia to go back to /pol/.
Got it.

>>2116354
Half of stormfront are Russians and other Eastern Europeans like Serbs or Hungarians

>>2121323

So, most of the people who go on Stormfront are non-whites? A-ha-ha-ha-ha

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>>2115780
*Bismarck tier
Us manufacturing base thrown out from under it by China with massive investment into automation by capitalists needed to replace it.

Bismark would be very pleased to see his name lended to such a short-sighted strategy.

>>2122749
*no massive investment, I mean

>>2120880
The difference is that he was able to pull off the things he intended to do while most other statesmen couldn't.

What were some of his "war crimes"? I don't know anything beyond him going to China under Nixon.

>>2115778
the correct answer

his thinking on diplomacy is shit that you have to read if you want to understand modern statecraft. i also want him to be boiled alive, because that would only approach justice for what he's wrought upon the world

>>2123627
What did he do?

I'm currently reading Diplomacy by him, what do you guys think about this book?

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>>2115752

He and Nixon used Anna Chennault to stop LBJ's peace talks in 1968.

They perpetuated a war and undermined a sitting administration in order to take power, by negotiating with a foreign government in parallel and in secrecy.

Then the fun started, so much fun he spilled it in to Cambodia.

He and men like him have long provided the intellectual structure necessary for those in power to use violence.

Sometimes that violence is useful, necessary, and other times, oftentimes, wanton and merciless.

>>2121619
t. Schlomo

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>>2115752
Why do people say he was the reincarnation of the devil and everything bad with U.S. hegemony politics of the last half century?

Honestly curious, can someone state direct events?

>>2115752
Has anyone read A World Restored?

>>2123681
Yea but he wasn't hitler

>>2123786
If you ask /pol/, they'd tell you that's a character flaw

>>2123786
and neither was Carl Schmitt

>>2123771
He was a good guy. People just like hating on him because he's Jewish.

>>2123834

>Honestly curious, can someone state direct events?
>He was a good guy.

Bangladesh
Cambodia
Chile
Cyprus
East Timor
Vietnam

>>2123852
Those are countries, not events anon. Does not satiate my curiosity any more than saying the CIA did shady, sometimes unethical shit.

>>2116495

>Implying the surge wasn't Bush's equivalent of the decent interval.

>>2123852
>m-m-muh proxy wars = devil incarnate!

Yeah, Kissinger invented those.

>>2123859

> Bangladesh
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue47/articles/a07.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_East_Pakistan#Bangladesh_Liberation_War.2C_1971
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/looking-away-from-genocide

> Cambodia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/Box%2029,%20File%202,%20Kissinger%20%96%20President%20Dec%209,%201970%208,45%20pm%20%200.pdf

> Chile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Orlando_Letelier
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94chile.pdf

> Cyprus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/06/08/the-heavy-price-of-a-double-lie/

> East Timor
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/East_Timor_TOHK.html

> Vietnam
Perhaps the most perfect failure in history of US foreign policy

>>2123930
>5 divisions of NVA just chilling 50 miles from Saigon
>500 Americans dying a week because of these divisions
>take them out and save thousands of American lives

Out of all the things to criticize Kissinger for, that's some weak shit.

Try Operation Condor.

>>2123935

>weak shit

http://gsp.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Kiernan%2C1989-The_American_Bombardment_of_Kampuchea.pdf

>Sign Paris Peace Accords in January 1973
>Drop 250,000 tons of bombs from February to August

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/Box%2029,%20File%202,%20Kissinger%20%96%20Haig,%20Dec%209,%201970%208,50%20pm%20106-10.pdf

>“He wants a massive bombing campaign in Cambodia. He doesn’t want to hear anything. It’s an order, it’s to be done. Anything that flies on anything that moves.”

>>2123935

>Try Operation Condor
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Orlando_Letelier

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>>2116495
Obama pulling out was the smartest move he made in regards to Iraq. "The most extravagant idea that can arise in a politician's head is to believe that it is enough for a people to invade a foreign country to make it adopt their laws and their constitution. No one loves armed missionaries..."

We toppled Saddam, installed a republic, and while celebrated initially were quickly seen as invaders during the period of occupation. Disliked for our lack of Islamic faith, suspicious of our motives, hated for the collateral damage that became more and more noticeable every year, frustrated by massive poverty and wealth inequality, the Iraqis would only resent us more and more. We gave them a starting point, but the only way the Iraqis would have a working democracy and stable republic is if we stopped coddling them and let them unfuck themselves.

You do realize that by the time ISIS took Mosul, the Iraqi army was practically a sham, right? From Officers padding rosters and taking salaries from soldiers on the rosters but who didn't show up for training, fraudulent military contracts, and extortion at checkpoints, the Iraqi army was massively corrupt. The ratio of Iraqi soldiers to ISIS militants in the initial battle over Mosul favored the Iraq army by double digits and many Sunnis either defected or were conscripted along the way by ISIS, disgruntled by Maliki turning the Iraqi army into majority Shi'ite and incorporating Shi'ite security forces into the army accused of human rights abuses. After the battle of mosul, Retired Lt. Gen. James M. Dubik, in charge of Iraqi training in 2007 and 2008, estimated that only 60% of forces in the Iraq Army were combat ready. You read about these things here: http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iraq-army-20141103-story.html and http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-military-analysis-idUSKBN0EO2FK20140613

cont. from >>2124135

Basically, against ISIS, the Army of Iraq was nearly entirely reliant on the US armed forces. Think about that. After nearly a decade and billions of dollars spent, the Government of Iraq and the Army of Iraq were utterly corrupt, incompetent and incapable. The only way Iraq and its army can survive, is if it stops being dependent on the US and learns to survive on its own and hopefully learns to get along with the Sunnis and Kurds.

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>>2124135

>We toppled Saddam, installed a republic

Oh, did you?

>>2116375

Great article, honestly everybody should read it.

>>2117898

You didn't read it.

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>>2118701

>>2124183
Yes, the US did install a republic, and it was very careful to assemble an Iraqi Army that was representative of each demographic.

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>>2124443

>very careful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Provisional_Authority_Order_2

>representative of each demographic

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander

>After Saddam’s regime collapsed, Crocker was dispatched to Baghdad to organize a fledgling government, called the Iraqi Governing Council. He realized that many Iraqi politicians were flying to Tehran for consultations, and he jumped at the chance to negotiate indirectly with Suleimani. In the course of the summer, Crocker passed him the names of prospective Shiite candidates, and the two men vetted each one. Crocker did not offer veto power, but he abandoned candidates whom Suleimani found especially objectionable. “The formation of the governing council was in its essence a negotiation between Tehran and Washington,” he said.

>That exchange was the high point of Iranian-American coöperation. “After we formed the governing council, everything collapsed,” Crocker said. As the American occupation faltered, Suleimani began an aggressive campaign of sabotage. Many Americans and Iraqis I interviewed thought that the change of strategy was the result of opportunism: the Iranians became aggressive when the fear of an American invasion began to recede.

>2016
>not being a political realist

It's like you are just suffering what you must.

>>2119455
Democrats are equally imperialistic though, they just cave under any serious pressure like Obama to China.

>>2124458
Are you being deliberately retarded?

CPA Order 2 disbanded the Iraqi army and I'm referring to the one the US put it its place. Pull your head out of your ass. I'm the one who posted this >>2124135.

The US was very careful to put a demographically representative Army in place of Saddam's. And in this post >>2124135
I point out how Maliki made the Army majority Shi'ite incorporating Shi'ite security forces accused of human rights abuses.

And I even point out how corrupt the Iraqi government is, but that doesn't change the fact that the US tried to install a Republic and succeeded very poorly at it now does it? Some of you people are so delusional that even the slightest hint of support for the Iraq war sets you off.

>>2115752

Evil.

>>2124507

Both Democrats and Republicans have been bought by the Chinese and their American corporatist allies -- all legally through our corrupt political system. Notice how even Hollywood stopped criticizing China's Tiber abuses and now its crushing Hong Kong democracy and there is not even a whisper of dissent from the West?

At least Trump is fucking with them a little. China has had us locked into a slow chokehold.

>>2119455
>Republicans are universally more imperialistic
You're so right! Except, oh wait ...

>Vietnam
>Korea
>Kosovo
>Bosnia
>Libya
>Syria

ALL FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

>>2124551
Almost all of those wars were pushed mostly by Republicans. Vietnam was especially pushed by Republicans who liberals capitulated to because of the Red-Scare. Republicans haven't been anti-war since WWII, where they were still relatively isolationist.

>>2124539
The invasion was an absolute clusterfuck from the beginning because Rumsfeld wanted to be a big shit by proving a small force could pacify a country and rewrite military history books.

There was perhaps a week of time, at most, that commanding officials wanted a diverse Iraqi military (not a good thing by the way) and a legitimate government.

>>2124565
>pushed mostly by Republicans
Wew lad, I didn't know Clinton, Obama, Kennedy, Truman, Johnson, FDR or Roosevelt were Republicans.

>poor little sweetie pie Hillary didn't want to bomb Syria and Libya but big bad Republicans forced her ;_;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U

>>2124595
wew, lad. I said since as in after wwII, they weren't isolationist. You do know the meaning of 'since' right?

Also, mentioning a handful of democrats doesn't change the fact that almost all the wars or conflicts you mentioned were mostly supported by Republicans.

And speaking of Hillary, part of the reason she lost in 2008 was because of her pro-Iraq war stance, the point at which Democrats were most hawkish but which Obama didn't support despite continuing the war on terror.

Hillary even had to play down Syria while trying to get elected against Sanders.

>>2115778
this

>>2124661
Obama only had anti-war rhetorics while being just as much of a warmonger as Bush, getting Libya bombed and droning half of Pakistan.

>You do know the meaning of 'since' right?
I do, I just completely ignored your arbitrary cutoff point.

>supported by Republicans
Kennedy increased the military presence in Vietnam, Johnson started a war against North Vietnam based on doctored evidence, and Nixon was the one who ended the war by forcing the Vietnamese to sign a peace treaty and then fucking off.

Similar to the Korean war which was started by a Democrat and ended by a Republican.

>>2124589
First of all, the invasion being a clusterfuck is completely beside the point and you should be embarrassed that you bring that up as if it contradicted anything I said just to win an argument.

And making the 'dubious' claim that "There was perhaps a week of time, at most," the US wanted to tactfully and ideologically set up a diverse military and republic, the varied Iraqi population could have faith and that the world could laud, is nothing more than moving the goal posts. Not to mention its just wrong. Do you really think the neocons are still preaching the spread of democracy through the military because they want more oil? Give me a break.

There's no doubt there was corruption in the Bush administration and the war and government building was handled terribly because of corruption and conflicts of interests, but you act like the US was just an evil empire run by greedy oil guzzling jews! No wonder why channels like RT are so successful. They make news are religion for you people.

>>2120449
Kissenger is a right-liberal who doesn't care about his own people, not even Jews. A pitbull of the global financial elite, hardly an icon to the Right that does care for its own

>>2124443
The US installed a state that is institutionally weak and submissive. If you think the humanitarian factor of this trumps the geopolitical interests of dominating Iraq then you are a fool or a liar

>>2125003
No you didn't, because you mentioned FDR and Truman as Republicans to try and contradict me. Don't kid yourself.

>Obama only had anti-war rhetorics while being just as much of a warmonger as Bush, getting Libya bombed and droning half of Pakistan.

And look at this? A complete strawman. First of all I very clearly stated that Obama was anitwar until he continued the war on terror, but I never said anything about Obama being less of a warmonger than Bush while in office.

>Kennedy increased the military presence in Vietnam, Johnson started a war against North Vietnam based on doctored evidence, and Nixon was the one who ended the war by forcing the Vietnamese to sign a peace treaty and then fucking off.

Let's not forget that a majority of Republican's supported Kennedy and pressed Kennedy who would have accused him of being weak if he didn't intervene to contain the communists and let's not forget that Kennedy was continuing a policy of Eisenhower's. After 1963, Johnson escalated the Vietnam conflict and left the Democratic party shattered by 1968, but the Republicans were still firmly for it, with Goldwater going so far as to claim we should use nuclear weapons to win it.

Nixon was even worse. He deliberately undermined negotiations by a sitting President with Kissinger just to prolong the Vietnam war.

And let's not pretend Republicans didn't want the Korean was either. As far as Democrats was, I'm not sure what the consensus was there. Truman was obviously a centrist politician.

>>2124595
>only the president can declare wars.
>neocon hawks are not real.
Can't wait for trump to start the invasion of Iran and watch you faggots squirm and explain why invading an isolationist country is good for stabilizing the middle east.

>>2125229
The irony that Clinton (bothof them) was a much more commited neocon warhawk than Trump has ever hinted to be, exactly why he was never the Republican establishments choice

>>2125236
>hillary is going to start ww3!!!
>trump says he will fuck iran's shit up because they were yelling at american ships in the persian gulf.
but knowing how much he flipflops he is probably going to say how he knows many iranians personally and they are good friends or some shit.

>>2125221
Strawman. I didn't say the humanitarian factor trumped the Bush administration's geopolitical interests, but YOU would be a fool and a liar not to think that neoconservatives weren't fervently ideological and deluded into believing the Iraq War could be used to prove democracy and human rights could be imposed, after centuries of the party being lambasted for propping up dictators and overthrowing democratically elected governments.

If history repeats itself, we would be a fool not to learn the lesson of the Iraq war, that "The most extravagant idea that can arise in a politician's head is to believe that it is enough for a people to invade a foreign country to make it adopt their laws and their constitution. No one loves armed missionaries..." But now I'm just restating the premise of my original post.

>>2125242
I'd say those kind of neocon's were few and far between. Bush's administration certainly didn't have a background in being concerned with democracy or propping up dictators

>>2124595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqYJRc0TJkQ

>>2126168
Fake laughter piss me off.

>>2115752
Should be dragged through the streets like fucking Mussolini.

Greatest traitor of the Republic and war criminal.

+5492227579158 this is my number

>>2125187
I think you are confusing my post for someone else's, because I don't think what the US did was evil, just absolutely stupid and done purely for ideological reasons.

The US disbanded the Iraqi military and systemically prevented Shiites from gaining power in the hopes of removing the taint of both Saddam and Iranian influence. The former ensured an insurgency. No ME country can uphold a legitimate democracy when the populations are tribal and don't recognize authority unless forced to.

i have no idea what RT has to do with this or why you think RT says the US is evil.

>>2125229
Neocons are only a thing since the late 70s and guess what, they're all fucking former leftists.

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>>2121067
Jesus Christ this meme again. Hundreds of thousands of Slavs served in the SS, even as commanders and officers.

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>>2128609
People like that guy you're replying to are either trolling or pursuing an agenda, so completely deaf to evidence.

It's an objective fact that Hitler had only problem with those Slavs that were actively opposed to Germany (Poles, Russians, Czechs), while those who were not (Bulgarians, Slovaks, Croats) were treated well as his allies.

Remember that famous "Untermensch" brochure? It never even mentions the word "Slav" and literally lists Croats and Bulgarians as examples of Aryan folk. Pic related.

>>2128616
It was pretty obvious Soviet historical revisionism, an attempt at justifying the Great Patriotic War if and when dissent sprang up. To poison the well against Nationalist uprisings in wake of the Communist takeover of Eastern Europe, because as we can see it happened repeatedly.

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>>2128637
Yep.

>>2128637
It's not really that. Hitler was very outspoken against the "slavicization" of Austria-Hungary under the Hapsburgs, but expecting a consistent racial policy out of him is a fucking absurdity because he was quite happy to shift the claims of his racial """sciences""" to suit the needs of his geo-political situation.

>>2128640
Ehrenburg wasn't propaganda minister.

>>2128643
Once again, he had only problem with the "slavicization" that went against German interests. For example in Mein Kampf he recalls a group of Czechs who were openly cheering for Russia in the war despite being formally Austrian citizens, and then he saw the imperial court promoting the same people into public positions. Understandably he was mad about that, but it was more of a disgust with traitors than anything else.

>>2128648
If he was just against them "betraying" the Hapsburg state, he wouldn't have made it a racial issue. He clearly hated them for their role as slavs, otherwise having slavs in the government wouldn't have been a problem.

But I'd be willing to bet you're the sort who insists he dindu nuffin.

>>2128643
Yes I remember reading Mein Kampf, his time in Vienna he expressed disgust at the "slavicization" of Austria and the loss of German identity.

On the note of Hitler's racial """sciences""" consider his policy to the Chinese and how he did an about-face on their status in his scheme of things when he allied with the Japanese. The man was an opportunistic shit, and was quite willing to suppress his own bigotry if realpolitik demanded it.

>>2128655
Can you source the quotation where Hitler states the Chinese are subhumans?

>>2128650
>otherwise having slavs in the government wouldn't have been a problem

But there were several people of ethnically Slavic descent in high ranked positions of nazi Germany, so quite obviously he didn't have a problem with them. I'm talking about people like Odilo Globocnik (Slovenian), Johannes Blaskowitz (Slovenian), Erich von dem Bach Zelewski (Polish), Hermann Baranowski (Polish), Erich von Manstein (Kashubian), Eugen Hadamovsky (Czech), Hermann von Oppeln-Bronikowski (Polish), Wladimir von Pawlowski (Slovenian), Alexander Piorkowski (Polish), Baldur von Schirach (Wendish nobility descent), Paul Otto Radomski (Polish), etc.

How come Hitler didn't have a problem with them if the problem was "racial"?

Furthermore, how come Hitler had no issue taking Slovakia and Croatia into the Axis if he had a problem with "Slavic race"?

>>2128683
Read about Deutsche Volksliste.

>>2128735
Read about the 1930s Ahnenpass that explicitly named Czechs and Poles as some of the Aryan folk.

>>2128746


dude, you are vicious.

Bravo

>>2117890

t. Hillary Clinton

>>2128746
>The term Aryan in this context was used in a sense widely accepted in scientific racism of the time, which assumed a Caucasian race which was sub-divided into Semitic, Hamitic and Aryan (Japhetic) subraces, the latter corresponding to the Indo-European language family; the Nazi ideology limited the category Aryan to certain subgroups, while excluding Slavs as non-Aryan.

What is your source?

>>2115752
China would be a post-apocalyptic nuclear hellscape (so mildly better off than it is now) without him. Communism would be so much more completely discredited in the eyes of the West if the Soviets had been allowed to nuke the Chinese like they wanted to. By saving the Chinese to fuck over the USSR, he doomed the West.

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>>2128767
Right here.

>>2123930
Max?

>>2128767
Furthermore, I looked up your quote and it's literally just a sentence pasted verbatim from wikipedia which isn't even sourced in the footnotes. Some scholar you are.

>>2128735
>>2128746
1933 - Poles are Aryans
1939 - Poles aren't Aryans anymore

It was typical of the Nazis. Actions in this case are more important than Hitler's speeches or their official documents. General Plan Ost, forced germanization of Polish children, the expulsion of Poles from Warthegau and other territories and the Volksliste all prove that Germans didn't consider Poles their equals.

It's political opportunism. In 1933 Poles still weren't Germany's enemies.

>>2128837
This is some fantastic backpedalling.

>Generaplan Ost
At the absolute best it was a draft that was never signed off by anyone and reconstructed from references, at worst it's a forgery based on a forced testimony.

Furthermore, the reconstruction never mentions any cleansing action towards SLAVIC Croats or Slovaks, but mentions action towards NON-SLAVIC Latvians and Lithuanians.

So how is it, did Croats magically become non-Slavs while Lithuanians became Slavs?

>forced germanization
Weirdly enough you mention germanization which is a forced cultural assimilation, while prior to this post you were claiming the problem was racial. Does your genetic makeup also magically change upon adopting a foreign language and customs?

>>2128854
> Does your genetic makeup also magically change upon adopting a foreign language and customs?
According to the Nazis - yes.

>Category III: Eingedeutschte (German > "Voluntarily Germanized") — indigenous persons considered by the Nazis as partly Polonized (mainly Silesians and Kashubs); refusal to join this list often lead to deportation to a concentration camp.[5]
>Category IV: Rückgedeutschte (German > "Forcibly Germanized") — Persons of Polish nationality considered "racially valuable", but who resisted Germanization.

>At the absolute best it was a draft that was never signed off by anyone and reconstructed from references, at worst it's a forgery based on a forced testimony.
And now we are going into /pol/ territory. Explain this please:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

>>2128870
>bolschewikipedia again
I've been researching this subject for over a decade while you're trying to bolster your point by 5 seconds of googling something you have no clue about. Either step it up or I'm not going to continue this shit.

>>2128876
Have you read this book?
https://www.amazon.de/Geheimreden-1933-1945-andere-Ansprachen/dp/3549073054

Or even, I don't know, Völkischer Beobachter? Are you even a historian?

>>2128889
>Have you read this book?
No. But I know what it contains.

>Völkischer Beobachter
Yes.

Your point?

>>2128609
Thousands of Jews also served in SS, this doesn't mean anything

>>2128892
You sound like a Nazi idiot disagreeing with the official, well-documented history.

>No. But I know what it contains
>“This war makes no sense if afterwards … Bohemia and Moravia, the German eastern districts of southeast Prussia, Danzig-West Prussia, the Warthegau, Upper Silesia, the General Government, the Ostland (inc. the Baltic States and Belorussia), the Crimea, and Ingermanland aren’t completely settled with Germans within twenty years.
What did Himmler mean by this?

>>2128899
Mischlinge, not full Jews.

>>2128616
Hitler didn't consider the Croats and the Bulgarians to be Slavs. He claimed that the Croats are more Germanic than Slav and that the Bulgarians are Turkoman in origin.

>>2128907
Except the source on these claims is the Tischgespräche which is very likely a doctored forgery and in fact authored by Martin Bormann.

I find it hilarious when people accept that book at face value when it's more or less an Alex Jones tier material, considering it was supposedly secretly recorded, edited and published long after Hitler died and half of the book are horseshit claims that completely contradict Hitler's public speeches and actions, and just mysteriously reflect Bormann's own views (the rejection of Christianity combined with obsession over paganism and even Islam, for example).

>>2128922
Interesting