Libertarians

People who think that the USSR calling itself communist must also think that the People's Republic of North Korea is just like the USA. They're both republics after all.

>((/leftypol/)) uses /his/ as an example of successful infiltration
>/his/ tells them to fuck off
>They never accept this

How can you take these people seriously?

>its another butthurt commie retard episode

>>2113851
The number of posts redirecting people to /pol/ I've seen on /his/ far outnumbers the amount of posts telling people to fuck off back to Leftypol.

>>2113868
fuck off back to Leftypol and don't let the door hit you on the way back.

>>2113907
U mad comrade?

>>2113868
Hardly an argument, since /pol/ is a containment board that no one likes anywhere.

And we keep saying post-1934 Germany wasn't real National-Socialism, but I don't see any leftyfags accepting this.

>>2113932
How exactly it wasn't real?

>>2113926
Who likes Leftypol?

When my ex gf broke up with me because I was a loser with no job I tried to tell we that I was not my real me (TM) but she didn't accept it and still broke up with me... :~(

>>2113946
I didn't even know it existed before today.

>>2113943
Didn't achieve a 1000 year Reich, the domination or extermination of all untermenschen and plenty of lebensraum for the Aryan overlords.

>>2113948
I mean why are women so intellectually dishonest /his/? Don't they know that the real something is that which we imagine and not what it is in real life? Don't they understand dialectics??

>>2113960
Kek

>>2113960
> a 1000 year Reich
> domination or extermination
> lebensraum for the Aryan overlords
All of that was metaphorical.

>>2113961
>>2113948
Bad analogy. You were describing the loser as "not the real me" in an attempt to convince her to stay with you, when in reality she would be staying with a loser.

Communists point out the USSR is "not real communism" in an attempt to steer away from any state ever resembling the USSR again. In this scenario, the loser is disgraced as an absolutely horrendous boyfriend and the girl is encouraged to get as far away from him as possible.

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>>2113960
so you're saying it failed :^)

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>>2113983

>the soviet union wasn't communist
That is objectively correct.

>the 2008 crisis wasn't caused by capitalism
Would be true if the crisis was provoked by the state as austrians claim, so there's nothing wrong with the argument itself, but rather with the analysis that precedes it.

>>2113983
So to make it a personable example again, it's like when your parents say "I have no son" When you're right there.

>>2113993
Also the suppositions underlying it, that being that the state-non-state divide actually matters for capitalism.

>>2113995
No actually, I am aware of the fact that the USSR was an attempt to establish communism. It's more like kicking your 23 year old son, who's addicted to drugs and had to be bailed out of jail for theft, out of your house on to the streets, pointing at him and saying to your younger child, "See him? Don't be like him. Don't be like your brother."

That is, just because the older brother may have attempted to have a happy life, and he claims he does have one, doesn't change the fact that he'll probably commit suicide by overdosing next week. That doesn't mean the younger child can't make it.

>>2114025
>No actually, I am aware of the fact that the USSR was an attempt to establish communism. It's more like kicking your 23 year old son, who's addicted to drugs and had to be bailed out of jail for theft, out of your house on to the streets, pointing at him and saying to your younger child, "See him? Don't be like him. Don't be like your brother."
But that's exactly what I mean. In such a situation, parents will sometimes refused to acknowledge the child at all, for exactly that reason.

>>2114101
Yeah, but as I said, communists don't do that. The USSR was an attempt to establish communism. It failed. The fact that in other cases people refuse to acknowledge such facts is not relevant because in this case, we are acknowledging the facts.

>>2114110
>Yeah, but as I said, communists don't do that. The USSR was an attempt to establish communism. It failed.
Honestly, it seems like a pretty blatant attempt by the emergent middle class to accelerate the growth of capitalism in the Russian Empire, TBQH Famalam.

>>2114120
Sure, afterwards people took advantage of the chaotic political landscape to take power, leading to a totalitarian state with little regard for worker's ownership or control of the means of production. But the revolution was a communist one. And yes, the USSR went to great lengths to suppress any worker control of the means of production, shutting down various soviets, >Kronstadt and >Free Territory, decidedly anti-communist actions. But the revolution was communist. The seizing of power by bourgeois in the aftermath is evidence of it's failure.

>>2113950
Because it's a poor attempt at a false equivalence, the board is on a completely different website and isn't even as large as the site's /pol/ board.

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>>2113826
> NEVER BEEN TRIED

Did modern commies ever read the Communist Manifesto or Capital? All the key properties of communism (public owns means of producion, no classes, no private property, free education and healthcare) were achieved in soviet union, so why should not it be the real communism?

>>2113826
>confusing corporatism for capitalism

>>2113826

>2008 recession on the same level as the collapse of the CCCP

pls communism is retarded

>>2114165
>confusing state capitalism for communism
Fuck off it goes both ways. That's the point of what OP is saying.

>>2114163
>public owns means of production, no classes, no private property, free education and healthcare
>soviet union

>>2113826
>Libertarian uses the Soviet Union as an example of the failures of Communism
>Communist tells them it wasn't real Communism
>They never accept this

Do people not notice that the opposite of this proposition is and always has been logically invalid? You point to something you think is bad, call it Communism, and then through equivocation declare since X thing is bad and is labeled Communism all socialist theory ever is invalid. That's childish reasoning.

It's like me saying the Spanish Inquisition was bad, therefore Christianity or Catholicism is bad. Even as a militant atheist and I can acknowledge that this is not truly a real argument that works. It can point to something negative worth noting, but it can not ever be a complete refutation. To truly defeat Christianity you have to attack it on its own level by theologically debating the actual Christian doctrine in the bible point by point and win logically in saying it's wrong (actually really hard to do). You can't just smear it and pretend you won - unless you're an idiot that doesn't know how to seriously reason.

It's seems the reason people get so buttdevastated by socialists that actually know some of their shit correctly and logically pointing out that the USSR was in fact "not real Communism" is that that claim short-circuits the above negative association smear "reasoning". How can you dismiss scary complex thoughts through negative labeling if the commies won't even let you get away with your labels?

But it would never be a good argument even if the commies did say "you know what, the USSR was Communism". It's just propagandist rhetoric.

>>2114163
>public owns means of producion
>no classes
>no private property
Are you retarded?

>>2113982

>Metaphysic concentration camps

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Grab them by the pussy

>>2114215

The camps and concentration were physical, the means to not die were more abstract.

>>2114165
neoliberalism is the furthest fucking thing from corporatism tho

corporatism has nothing to do with corporations

>>2113998
But it matters for communism as well.
It's the difference between owning the means of production and "owning" the means of production but you can only do with it what so bureaucrat hundreds of miles away tells you to do with it. Which isn't ownership at all.

>>2114138
What genuinely socialist action happened happened was all over by the time the USSR was formed, in 1922.

>>2114244
>But it matters for communism as well.
No it doesn't. Attempts to change around fundamental material relations by applying ideological labels doesn't change fundamental material relations. If you don't have functional control over something, you don't own something.

>>2113946
No one goes on leftypol, i haven't heard about it before /his/, and it's on a different website. Prior to that i've only seen the tumblr crowd.

>>2114277
>the tumblr crowd
Truly the worst among us all, can we agree on that?

>>2114292
>implying there's an appreciable difference between /pol/ and tumblr

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>>2114305

>>2114316
#triggered

>>2114305
>this is what leftypol SJWs actually believes
Lets see
>leftypol supports soros
>leftypol supports uncontrolled non white """immigration""" by """refugees"""
>leftypol worships black supremacism
>leftypol supports BLM
>leftypol members donated to BLM
>leftypol believes that white homogeneity is the supporting pillars of "traditional values" thus needs to be destroyed to bring about their "revolution"
>leftypol supports the """"migrants""""
Leftypol is SJW as they come

>>2114316
>only SJWs could find the histrionic idiocy of /pol/ unlikeable

Yeah, how could anyone else hate a group of vociferous shitposters?

>>2114320
>implying /pol/ aren't social justice warriors
>support group justice over individual justice
>support authoritarian social policies to ensure this group justice
>obsessed with identity politics
>insist that social norms should conform to what their hugbox thinks is normal
>rage out at any dissenting opinion
>never, ever shut up about their political beliefs

>>2114320
Do tankies count as leftypol?
>>2114305
They're both shit, however i'll take my holocaust denying brethren over people who tell me i'm white and therefor privileged despite living in a post commie country, any day.

>>2114185

Not an argument.
If not to mention that the whole "class struggle" is bullshit, USSR did have no classes. Proletariat lived in cities, kulaks and bourgeoisie were destroyed by collectivization and nationalization and nomenklatura was technically a part of proletariat.

All the production was owned and controlled by state, hence by public, since there is no other way the public can control anything on a large scale if not via the state.

And of course there was no private propertity in CCCP, if you exlude the brief period of Lenin's NEP. Man, you couldn't even own a house in soviet union.

Also, neither Marx and Engels nor any other left thinker afterwards didn't really say anything about how exactly communism would work. They basicly just went "dude muh expoitation, capitalism will fall bc it is inevitable all will be good in communism". So, there is no fine measurement what is "real" and what is "not real" communism.

>>2114334
>the SJW can't even greentext properly
fuck off back to your hugbox, leftypol

>>2114334
Who are you quoting?

>>2114359
Sorry, did I use the wrong pronouns?

>>2114359
>>2114362
He was right. /pol/ are race justice warrior with the different flavor but the same core believes.

>>2114364
>the SJW is triggerd about pronouns
HAHAAHHAHA

>>2114334
well put

>>2114368
>being pro white is wrong
>being pro black is ok though
""""centrists""""

>>2114384
>>2114334
>samefagging

>>2114388
is that the message you get from such posts

>>2114399
He's a /pol/ack so he conflates anything that is against his own positions with being anti-white and pro-black.

>>2114388
>>2114390
>the only people who dislike me are racist/sexist/homophobic
>the only people who dislike me are tumblr/reddit/leftiepol

Weird, I can't see the difference either.

Arent most political systems names like communism just kinda false though? Like North Korea calls itself communist but whether you agree communism is a good idea or bad its obvious its just not communism. I think the people who exist to perpetuate the system of government call it something slightly fitting but that is exaggerated and positive, and people against it exaggerate its negativity with the use of names.

Communism can never work even when someone has 100% control to make it work which is what you need it has always been impossible. Where are these shining communist paradises? It has been tried a ton of times. There is a reason even pseudo communist countries are just capitalist lite.

>>2113826
You avoid both memes and become a radical centrist

>>2114429
>a radical centrist
No - is meme.

>>2114424
Where are shining capitalist paradises?
America isn't capitalist btw

>>2114515
>implying the discussion is about capitalism

This is about communism being undefendable not other systems having faults.

>>2114515

Capitalism never offers paradise lul, and if you are talking about anarcho-capitalism you can't be serious

jesus christ is this board being invaded by /his/ newfags
these petty argument threads that usually only stayed on that board are becoming more and more common here

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>>2114530
oh thank god I'm actually still on /his/

you guys are all mongoloids

>>2113826
>Crysis caused by central banking, state interventionism and bailouts
>Fault of capitalism

>>2114557
State intervention and bailouts came about after the crisis had already started.

>>2113851

>implying /pol/ isn't the one infiltrating 4chan

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>>2113850
Or a democracy. Just because the DPRK calls itself Democratic doesn't mean it's democratic.

>>2114320
Admit it. You've never even been to Leftypol have you?

>>2117583
>9 hours 45 minutes
what the fuck dude

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>>2114358
>All the production was owned and controlled by state, hence by public
>neither Marx and Engels nor any other left thinker afterwards didn't really say anything about how exactly communism would work
Yeah, you are retarded.

>>2117587
>There are people who don't watch the threads they post in

>>2117595
>he watches for 9 hours without saying anything
sage, just let it die

>>2117611
Do you think watching means I was actually sitting here physically watching it for 9 hours?
Nigga how new are you?

>>2117583
Yes i have, their everything I said they were

>>2117631
/leftypol/ doesn't even think race exists. You know the spook meme, right? That's /leftypol/

>>2117634
then why do they hate white people so much

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>>2117631
Mhm

>>2117640
>leftypol ONLY attacking white supremacy
thanks for proving my point you SJW faggot

>>2117647
Man you're terrible at this

>>2117654
Why do you leftypol faggots hate white people so much?

>>2117637
They don't. You might see more threads hating on a person that is "white" than someone who is "black" because "whites" traditionally have far more power. Go look at a list of all the wealthiest nations in the world; the more wealthy they are, the more likely they are "white" by some strange, ambiguous definition of "race"

>>2117647
White supremacy is far more relevant, widespread, and more powerful.

>>2117659
We don't

>>2117660
>we don't hate white people
>but we do think "white privilege" exists and we must attack white people who are proud of being white
make up your mind SJW

>>2117668
I never said that. I said
>"whites" traditionally have far more power
Going by the commonly accepted definition of "white"

I didn't say that was bad either. The reason /leftypol/ criticizes these people is because they are powerful capitalists. It has nothing to do with their "race"; it just so happens that most of them are "white".

>>2117674
that is completely wrong, there's a reason why leftypol supports Bernie sanders, BLM, Soros, and the "refugees"

>>2117680
You know Sanders is [REDACTED] now because he supported Hillary, right? /leftypol/ hates his guts. Also, Soros is a capitalist and /leftypol/ is largely anti-Islamic

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>>2117684
>Soros is a capitalist and /leftypol/ is largely anti-Islamic
keep telling yourself that

>>2114320
>leftypol supports soros
Shit like this boggles my mind. How the fuck could a self proclaimed socialist support neoliberal capitalist causes like Soros and the EU? Don't they understand how badly they are fucking over the workers?

>>2117688
>he's porky
>he just said something that was common sense
>still going to gulag
not seeing this support you're talking about. Also, supporting one thing a person said != supporting that person.

>>2117704
>>he's porky
Then why do you support him
>>he just said something that was common sense
mass non white immigration is "common sense" now?
>>still going to gulag
you SJWs support better treatment for colluders

>>2117684
FYI leftypol supports Hillary

>>2114358
>All the production was owned and controlled by state, hence by public, since there is no other way the public can control anything on a large scale if not via the state.
So if I'm a king in a monarchy and I own everything, that means I'm socialist now?

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>>2117714
>>2117710
I'm just going to go now; you seem impossible to reason with. Pic related.

>>2117719
yeah, fuck off back to your SJW safe space

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>>2113826
No, it is different.

The Soviet Union indoctrinated everyone to be commies yet they didn't overthrow the dictatorship. The ideology is clearly ineffective and doesn't live up to its bold utopian claims.

Now compare to the 2008 crisis. Most countries didn't have an equivalent of the glass-steagall act, the problem was specifically that the US market had not adapted to the lack of the act which fits most theories. Capitalists will agree that the market is not 100% perfectly efficient. They routinely look at examples of markets failing, black swans, bubbles, business cycles, trends and so forth, that is how you beat the market average. What happened was completely within their scope and so it doesn't count as failure.

So some unforeseen even arose. So what? Now they've learned from it. What did you learn from 72 years under a dictatorship? Not much apparently.

>>2113826
You don't

>>2114167
this

>>2117710
muslims aren't a race

>>2117740
>>2117710
and /leftypol/ doesn't like religion cuz it's a (((spook)))

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>>2117710
nice buzzwords stormcuck

>>2117747
>being a white supremacist is bad
>but being a black supremacist is acceptable
leftist cuckold logic

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>>2117754
>NO U

stormlard cuckold logic

>>2117761
>8 years of this butthurt
glorious

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so is this a leftypol hate thread?
I'll chime in
they are smarter than the average leftist, but they have giant blindspots regarding their own ideology
>burning hatred for identity politics
>refuse to even consider that class struggle is very much a type of identity politics

they actually do a find job highlighting the problems with neoliberalism,
but they don't actually offer a better alternative
at the end of the day no matter how good their critique of the status quo is, they're still an assortment of tankies, ancoms, and other hyphenated retardedness

they also infight endlessly
each component ideology thinks the others are retarded or mislead
yet they smugly expect outsiders to view them as enlightened

also they think they're infinitely clever, but their memes are weak
SPOOk SPOOK STIRNER SPOOK SPOOK SPOOK gets stale real fast
the only humor they show talent for is making fun of ancaps, but that's incredibly easy, and /pol/ is better at it anyway

>>2117754
>being a white supremacist is acceptable
>but being a black supremacist is bad
alt-right logic

>>2117819
the alt-right generally supports black nationalism
they have ulterior motives, but they do support it

>>2117816
>>burning hatred for identity politics
>>refuse to even consider that class struggle is very much a type of identity politics
You miss the point of spooks. They're fine as long as you are aware they are spooks. Take morality, for example. It's a spook, yes, but I really like having it around because it makes murder seem kinda bad, and that's something that could save my life one day.

>they also infight endlessly
>each component ideology thinks the others are retarded or mislead
This is the curse of communism, really, the reason why all attempts at it have failed. The USSR is but one collection of examples of communists attacking other communists.

>>2117816
>burning hatred for identity politics
they support BLM, trannies, and hate white people

>>2117829
explain

>>2117836
Not him, but /pol/ supports nationalism in all it's forms, as long as as non-white nationalists go to some country that /pol/ doesn't like. For example, they oppose black nationalism in the USA, but are totally fine if it's in Kenya.

>>2117836
your the one who hate the alt right, you should know already

>>2117836
if black sepratists were successful, the alt-right would essentially be handed a white ethnostate and could start pursuing their goals of halting non-white immigration and raising the white birth rate

>>2117833
that seems to be the minority

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>>2117767
>8 years of listening to stormkiddies cry when muh trump betrays every principle they stand for

natch

>>2117849
>that seems to be the minority
it's the majority

>>2117844
>>2117845
>>2117849
>blacks must go away, let them have their own country
>oh, their country is US
>oh well, too bad haha

like when feminists say they actually are in favor of equality

SJW == alt-right

>>2117855
start from here >>2117634 and review your argument

>>2117853
>the SJW is still replying
this is so pathetic HAHAHA
>>2117860
>If you disagree with SJWS that means you are as them
leftypol SJW logic, no wonder you hate white people
>>2117861
then why have they donated to BLM?

>>2117855
start from here >>2117634 (You) and review your argument, please

>>2117861
>>2117871
leftypol has donated to BLM

>>2114320

Yeah, leftypol is basically idpol de facto.

>>2117860
The Alt-Right would be perfectly fine with giving up region of the US for a black ethnostate
if tons of liberals flocked there as well, it would be even better.
By subtracting those voters from the Democratic party, national politics would lurch very quickly to the right

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>>2117869
u mad stormkiddie?

>>2117902
yeah, because people would just "agree" to that

>>2117918
it's not a likely outcome, but blacks nationalists agitating in favor of it lends credence to the Alt-Right's narriative
which is that different people don't get along, and should get their own countries

>>2117930
how can different people get along with all these nationalists running around

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>>2113826
They're both imperfect systems in the hands of an imperfect species.

Barbarism is the only true perfect political system for humans.

>>2117963
this guy murdered his friend
is he a nigger

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sup

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>>2114163

lol wut

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Capitalism?

lol

You're toast without your Govt protecting you

>>2117969
In self defense. Euro was also planning to murder him in advance. It was justified. What would you do in the situation someone attacked you with a knife? You'd let it yourself get stabbed because you're a fucking submissive beta.

>>2117969
>friend

nobody liked that cunt

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Capitalism = Autism

Literally

>>2117995
>attacked you with a knife
oh i guess his friend was nigger then

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Capitalism = Cuckoldry

Literally

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sup

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Capitalists eat shit.

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>>2117988
>>2117998
>>2118006
christ you people have started to macrodump like the /pol/ fags

like seriously kill yourselves with the e-wars

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>>2113826
>mfw /pol/fags tell me Wall Street was not to blame for 08

>>2113851
>/pol/ uses /leftypol/ to pretend that /pol/ is not infiltrating /his/
>/his/ tell them to fuck off
>/pol/ doesn't accept

>>2114320
>spreading this much misinformation

>leftypol supports soros
Don't you dare post that pic

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>>2118006

>>2118016
>being a liberal
/leftypol/ is all for tech that increase production like GMOs because of F U L L L U X U R Y C O M M U N I S M

>>2113826
>2008 was a failure
It was an unfortunate event that was a necessary kick up the back side for the banks. It wasn't a "failure of Capitalism" in the same way that government corruption and mass famines aren't "failures of Communism" but rather unfortunate things that may come with it.

>>2118035
It was sorely due to the fact that they knew this might happen but didn't care, even accelerating the process as they gave or sold shitter loans to people that could not have possibly known better. Worse off was that the government was forced to intercept else the global economy would collapse.

Rational self interest my ass. Privatize the gains, social the losses

>>2114515
>America isn't capitalist
Since when was this? Does Capitalism have to be a 100% unregulated, no Corporate Tax economy to count?

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quality thread

>>2117977
What is your image supposed to convey? A woman sitting on a box with a baby doesn't really scream "CAPITALISM HAS FAILED" to me.

>>2118026
It's all true
>Don't you dare post that pic
does the truth trigger you?

>>2114320
>leftypol supports soros
This is false
>leftypol supports uncontrolled non white """immigration""" by """refugees"""
It's more that they don't care about immigration.A lot of them hate it cause it hurts the working classes because mroe cheap labour force
>leftypol worships black supremacism
If you count Sankara as a supremacist,then yes.
>leftypol supports BLM
lolno
>leftypol members donated to BLM
LOLNO
>leftypol believes that white homogeneity is the supporting pillars of "traditional values" thus needs to be destroyed to bring about their "revolution"
IN their view race doesn't matter this is false.
>leftypol supports the """"migrants""""
Depends on which poster you ask

There you go,everything you listed was either a lie or a misconception.

>>2118143
>all this damage control
>the shill hasn't posted proof on the contrary

Give me 5 good reasons a well regulated market-based economy isn't best. Real world examples will be given preference to ideological whining.

>>2118156
You never proved your claims to begin with.

>>2118168
you just have to look at you leftypol SJWs to prove me right

>>2118178
Not. An. Argument.

>>2118184
>the SJW can only respond with memes
I've won

>>2118162
corporations want more regulation.

a large bank doesn't want me to be legally allowed to lend money to you for an interest, they want me to go through years of paper work and give up loads of cash to the government before I even consider competing with them.

>>2118188
>all these twists and turns just to disagree with muh evil leftists
but that's a regulation on you
they don't want regulation on THEM

>>2118188
>corporations want more regulation.
Again, real world historical examples of this.

>>2118226
there's no twists and turns, it's a simple observable fact that increased bureaucracy and regulation works to block new competitors.
In fact it's just happening right now in my country, a start-up, highly successful bank is going to close doors because of new credit card rules shortening the deadline to fund the stores. The rule applies to everyone, obviously, but the already established bank oligarchy will certainly prevail. Nubank from Brazil.

>>2118226
>microeconomics triggers marxists
who'd of thunk it.

large corporations want regulations, even those that apply to them, because they will be able to deal with the regulatory burden, while their smaller competitors will not
a hyper-regulated business environment creates massive-economies of scale because only mega-corporations will be able to comply with the regulations
In the end, there is less competition in the market place and the consumer gets railed even harder

>>2118249
the incentives are so strong that it happens all the time
there is even a name for the phenomenon of when industry veterans turning around, going into government, and writing legislation to help the companies they used to work for

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

>>2118255
lmao do you really think the only thing preventing smaller companies from competing with larger ones is regulations? you probably think you'd be a successful small businessman if only it weren't for those pesky regulations huh?

rofl get a grip

>>2118448
lmao all you leftists must have slept through micro 101, figures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseconomies_of_scale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
these two economic forces decide how large a firm should be for peak efficiency

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry
and this will further explain why regulations are harmful smaller businesses

are you marxcucks are so steeped in rhetoric that graphs and tables hurt your head?

>>2113826
Isn't communism the ideology that everyone agrees would be good if it could actually be implemented but everything points to that it can't be.

As soon as you forcefully take the power and then start dictating what other people should do with force then there's no room for compassion. If you're not the most ruthless motherfucker out there then you'll get replaced by someone more psychopathic than you.

>>2118010
is there anyone who would pick any form of communism over the depression?

>>2118582
leftists believe basic economics is equivalent to theocracy. it's like trying to argue with eggshells m8, the only cure for communism is lead to the skull and I polish my rifle for the day the day these retards decide to rise up so I can deliver them their medicine.

>>2118653
the main problems with marxism as I see it
1. Marxists assume all human misfortune is caused by class struggle. But really humans are bastards, and will cause grief for other humans no matter what our circumstances are.
2. The efficiency lost when a firm moves from capitalist management to collective management is very significant, and not just because wages are higher. Captalists are just better at running businesses than soviet style councils. When all industries are nationalized across the entire economy, Quality of Life goes to shit.
3. Marxists point to groups like the Zapatistas in Mexico, Medival monasteries, and community gardens to demonstrate that collectivism can work, but the historical record shows it doesn't scale well at all.

>>2118668
>leftists believe basic economics is equivalent to theocracy
ironic, since their entire ideology is based in lofty rhetoric and wishful thinking

"True" communist has never been archieved because it's an impossibility. All those failed communist states tried, but could never get past the dictatorship of the proletariat.
How is that hard to figure

>>2117754
I've heard people describe White Supremacy vs Black Supremacy like there isn't a single white culture, hypothetically a White person could trace their ancestry back to somewhere specific in Europe
But with Black Supremacy in the States, there's only one culture(african-american) because you know, slavery and wiping out the slave's culture, Christianizing them, etc

If I recall the reasoning right, White Supremacy is just an excuse for people who have their own individual cultures to be racist under a broad banner, Black Supremacy was because you didn't have any other cultures to be proud of, so you make your own.
IMO Supremacy just makes fanaticism and makes you retarded but they aren't the same really

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>>2118838
The point is that "true" Libertarian idealised capitalism is impossible as well and that capitalism has much more shortcomings than Libertarians like to admit, you mong

>>2118838
lol yeah, the means of production have been seized many times, but the state never manages to 'wither away' like marx predicted
this should make people more skeptical of the entire ideology, but somehow it doesn't

Leftists could confront that marx was a retarded NEET and his political theorycrafting is demonstrably wrong
but instead they add more hyphens and masturbate to pictures of QT guerrillas from the spanish civil war

>>2118905
White Supremacy isn't a thing anymore.
The alt-right are all 'Race Realists',
they straight up admit that Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians have higher IQs than Whites.
What exists today are Ethno Nationalists. France for the French, Germany for the Germans, Turkey for the Turks.
In America the Alt-Right are still Ethno Nationalists but they are effectively White Nationalists, because White-American is the primary ethnicity of White people in America

Ethno-Nationalists believe that all ethnic groups express ingroup preference and have different political leanings, so it makes sense to organize states along ethnic lines.

>>2117754
>promoting a marginalized minority group is the same as promoting a dominant majority group

hmm

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