How could Germans claim Versailles was an unfair treaty, when

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>>2103529
Tbh, Finland was free already at that point.

Germany occupied essentially all of the land they demanded and Russia was in such a precarious position with their army in full collapse that Germany could quite easily have captured Petrograd/St. Petersberg & crushed the nascent Boshelvik nation.

Compared to Versailles where German territory was untouched, the line was suffering breakthroughs true, but it would have cost the allies hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives to march on and occupy Germany.

>>2103533
Well a german prince would have inherited the area if the germans had won.

>>2103554
He would've inherited it anyway but finns kinda decided it wasn't good for their image if they were ruled by a losercountries noble.

How can the Entente crowd claim Brest-Litovsk was unfair when Trianon, Saint Germain and Sèvres were infinitely harsher arrangements?

>>2103538
>but it would have cost the allies hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives to march on and occupy Germany.
The army was on the brink of collapse, the German population was starving and sailors started a nationwide revolution. The allies wouldn't have had so much trouble occupying German clay.

>>2103576
>The allies wouldn't have had so much trouble occupying German clay
Even with the breakthroughs the allies were achieving in late 1918 it was gained in the coin of tens of thousands of lives. Had the allies rejected the armistice and resolved to march to Berlin, even with the German state in disarray it would have surely meant hundreds of thousands dead, this was the calculus the Allies understood and the Germans were leveraging that brought them both to the negotiating table.

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>>2103529
muh Versailles

>>2103529
The land Russia lost was populated with distinct ethnic groups with their own history.

Germany lost that as well as ethnic German land.
not to mention the amount of money they had to pay to France and UK post war.
it also restricted their military from occupying part of their own country and limited them to a much smaller military size overall.

A much higher price for sure.

>>2103634
>as well as ethnic German land
like which land for example?

>>2103613
Source: Magazine

Great source goyim

>>2105952

Not him but it's a BBC article. Not saying that news articles are valid sources but you could dispute the arguments instead of going "great source goyim"

That said the other guy should still step it up and not post fucking news articles as sources.

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>It deprived Russia of a territory nearly as large as Austria-Hungary and Turkey combined, with 56,000,000 inhabitants, or 32 per cent of her whole population; a third of her railway mileage, 73 per cent of her total iron ore, 89 per cent of her total coal production; and more than 5,000 factories and industrial plants. Moreover, Russia was obliged to pay Germany an indemnity of six billion marks.

>Treaty of Frankfurt indemnity: 5 billion franks (~$1 billion US 1871)
>converted to current year $: ~20 billion (using the low end estimate)
>France given 5 years to make payment, Germany occupies most of NE France until payment is made in full
>France pays off indemnity two years before deadline

>Treaty of Versailles reparation: 20 billion gold marks (~$5 billion US 1918)
>converted to current year $: ~80 billion
>largely unenforced until after WW2, in total Germany takes over 90 years to finish payments (last payment made: October 3, 2010)

For such a superior nation, how exactly did it take these niggers 45 times longer than the French to pay off only 4 times the debt? To put this into perspective, France could have paid its indemnity off a total of 10 times between the end of WW1 and the start of WW2.

>>2105927
Poland

>>2103576
why is it literally always the sailors starting shit?
russia, germany, and a few others I can't name off the top of my head

>>2103613

>it went largely unenforced

This is absolute bullshit. The French invaded and occupied the German Ruhr(?) area when the Germans lagged behind on reparations.

>>2103613

>how accurately does Blackadder reflect history

>muh Alsace

>>2103529
Versailles removed land that was so heavily settled by germans for so long it could be considered Germany proper

Those places where so heavily settled by non russians that it would have been strange for them to stay russian lands.

>>2107583
>20 billion gold marks

Where are you getting this number from? From what I've seen the treaty of versailles saddled Germany with a total debt of 132 billion gold marks (although some of it was in bonds and not meant to be paid back, but not 110 billion of it)

>>2107706
Hence the [largely] part
Given that;
The Germans were able to quickly wriggle out of the military protocols and build up an army in violating of the treaty's stipulations, one that would of course expand further vastly under the Nazis

The Germans were able to quickly default on reparations and only marginally successful attempts were made afterwards to attempt to get them to pay, which worked only in that the Germans took loans from the Americans that they then defaulted on and never paid back

German leaders did not stand trial for war crimes, as intended by the treaty

It was rather ineffectual in enforcement.

>>2107750
20 billion was the amount they paid
50 billion was the amount they were intended to pay, composed of A and B bonds
132 billion was the amount that was formally said that they were """going to pay""", but 82 billion of that was C bonds that everybody important knew would never get issued but was done to convince the public that "yeah the Germans are totally going to pay"

Then nearly a hundred years on people on the internet are still tricked by that despite even a basic google search would reveal the truth, lmao. I think this is the only area ever where the Germans have been good at propaganda.

>>2107745
Alsace-Lorraine was reclaimed as part of France
The Danish lands were Danish
The Corridor was ethnically Polish
Only Eupen-Malmedy and Danzig, those great prizes, have an incontestable German claim to them on ethnicity/politics.

I would expect too that if Russia wasn't involved in WW1, it probably still would keep those lands today.

JUST

>>2107679
because being a sailor pre-atomic era sucks massive amounts of cock

Hyperautism