In history, how many people have been killed in the name of democracy?

not enough. the demos thirsts for more blood

That pic reminds me of those illustration of north korean labor camps. I'd venture a guess that its less than any other form of government that's been widely applied

>>2103275
This isn't a dick measuring contest. I just want a number.

>>2103262
Not quite as many as have been killed in order to extinguish it.

Maybe 400-500million?

>>2103286
Can you back that up or are you just going by feeling?

>>2103262

Are we talking about every war involving a democratic state since Athen 300 BC? Countries with universal suffrage? Proxy wars involving democratic countries? Revolutions that lead to democracy?

>>2103292
Feeling. You can't possibly expect someone to provide a number of "people killed in the name of democracy" can you?

>>2103296
>Are we talking about every war involving a democratic state since Athen 300 BC?
Every war that was justified by appeals to democracy, e.g. establishing, defending, spreading, etc.

>Countries with universal suffrage?
That isn't a requirement of democracy.

>Proxy wars involving democratic countries?
Might be tricky.

>Revolutions that lead to democracy?
Seems to qualify.

>>2103299
Why not?

>>2103311
That involves a rally of dozens of wars, hundreds of riots, dozens of rebellions, thousands of murders, and God only knows what else. And that's assuming the intentions of those parties named are truthful.

Basically, this thread is stupid, go home.

>>2103332
The question is stupid because you can't do addition?

I was wondering if anyone had done the math already. Apparently not.

Casualty estimates from wars and revolutions are easy enough to come by. You'd just need to cross-reference with a list of democracies.

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>>2103262
Democracy isn't free

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>>2103332
This.

>>2103262
Not enough

>>2103306
So, democratic states are to blame for fighting defensive wars?

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>>2103262

>>2103342
How do you gather all the data on killings in the name of democracy? How to you operationalise the concept of those killings? How do you account for gaps in the data available? How can you be certain that there aren't huge chunks of data missing that you cannot possibly obtain?

Basically what the guy you replied to said is true. This thread is garbage and you're a dense shitstain.

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How many people killed in the name of Democracy? Nice bait question, in reality, it should be how many people have died for Democracy. In a Democracy, if a individual wants to leave and join a communist country or shira law like country. Then they can, unless they are a high ranking offical that the country particular wants. In reality, they question should be how many more people have to die for individuals to understand the communism and socialism is only a paper policy and doesn't work in reality.

Why don't you get your calculator out and do it yourself, OP?

>>2103262
More than have been killed in any other context.

Just the American conquest of the Indians took out more people than both World Wars combined.

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>>2103285
>I just want a number.

You're not going to get one that hasn't been pulled right out of someone's ass.

>>2104879

According to the OP's criteria I'd say you could say someone was killed "due to democracy" if a non democratic state declared war on a democratic state with the intent of dissolving their democracy.

That doesn't mean the democratic state is to blame, but the fact that they were democratic was a cause.

I still think the OP's question is dumb and almost impossible to answer with any degree of accuracy.

>>2105864
>In a Democracy, if a individual wants to leave and join a communist country or shira law like country. Then they can

"You can leave" isn't a factor in what makes or unmakes a democracy, nor is staking the democracy of a country on whether that person would be taken in by an ideologically different country.

Don't be a fucking retard.

>>2103262
i'm sick of these badge-wearing edgy teen ideologues that post fucking retarded "really makes u think" impossible to answer zero effort threads like this, and the fucking slack absent janitor that encourages more and more of this with his complete lack of action

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>>2105945
It is a factor in what makes a democracy, if many people are not satisfied with it, then we can have an election to change political reformation, now the question can that ever happen. I fucking doubt, but Democracy allows certain actions to be taken. You believe that someone living in a Communist or Shira regime want to practice another ideology could? Again, where are you commies coming from? Pic very related.

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>>2105864
>In a Democracy, if a individual wants to leave and join a communist country or shira law like country. Then they can
MEANWHILE, IN 1860s AMERICA...

>>2106007
>leave

>>2105998
>or Shira regime

You've said it twice now, if you're going to bitch about a regime at least know how the fuck it's spelled.

I fully acknowledge OP is a retard, his question is shit and impossible to answer, and is just provoking an ideological pissing match. That said, "If you don't like it leave" is not a valid argument in rebuttle to "how many people have been killed in the name of democracy?"
Further, let me ask you. Say you didn't like democracy and decided to move to Iraq in time for America to invade, topple your government and install a dysfunctional democratic one, how does that work out?

>Again, where are you commies coming from?

Oh, ok, you're one of those /pol/ tier "if someone calls me out for being a fucking moron they must subscribe to an ideology I hate!"
I'm not communist, I'm not in favor of Sharia law, I think democracy is an acceptable form of government when compared to its alternatives, and because I'm not a giant fucking jackass me subscribing to an ideology doesn't mean that ideology is flawless. Can your stupid fucking "with us or against us I can't take criticism because I'm a fucking baby" mentality.

>>2106007

His point was stupid in the first place but he said an individual to leave, not a group of states to secede from the union taking all their territory and property with them.

>>2106046

So you have to leave your home and property behind?

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>>2106041
Regime

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>>2106041
Shira

>all the absolutely butthurt brainwashed plebs in this thread who even refuse to entertain the question because it triggers their cognitive dissonance

Hilarious.

>>2104910
You realize that only a finite number of democracies have existed in history, and that they've waged a finite number of wars, and that these wars are all in the historical record, and that a finite number of people have died in them, and historians have already calculated casualty estimates for all of them, right?

We don't need a quantum computer to calculate this.

>>2104910
>>2104897
You don't want this question asked simply because you don't want to know the answer.

Go be ignorant somewhere else.

>>2105874
I'm working on it. I was just wondering if anyone else had already done the calculations before because knowing that would save me a bit of research and arithmetic.

>>2103286

thats probably not true

>>2103285

you cant get a number because they were never counted that way, when people get killed for democracy its called collateral

see killing people for democracy makes sense, cause its democracy, duh, so no one counts them like that, like say if you kill people for communism or because youre fascists then your victims get counted and the number gets repeated over and over and over again to drive the point home on how much better democracy is

>>2106076

Well if you fucking move I don't think you can take your home with you. Nobody thinks you can just go "I'm keeping my house but not paying my taxes because you're not my government" without consequences.

>>2106558
>You realize that only a finite number of democracies have existed in history, and that they've waged a finite number of wars, and that these wars are all in the historical record, and that a finite number of people have died in them, and historians have already calculated casualty estimates for all of them, right?
>We don't need a quantum computer to calculate this.

Then how about you calculate it if it's that fucking easy?

>>2103262
No war has ever been fought for the purpose of democracy.

>>2106558
But you said "in the name of democracy", not "in a democracy" or "by a democracy". What about failed revolutions in undemocratic countries? What about kurds, are they terrorists or are they fighting in the name of democracy? Its not just a matter of counting death tolls of wars and revolutions in democratic countries.

>>2103262
not enough

I'd say approximately 5.