Alright /his/, I've got a fairly simple thread idea that I want to see you guys discuss over.
What do you think would have happened if the Allied Landings on Normandy failed?
>>2101654
The world falls under the dark shadow of fascism..
Kidding. The Russians would still get them. It would just take a lot more time and a lot more lives.
>>2101654
America would have dropped the nukes on Berlin and Munich instead.
>>2101654
Nazi forces can now focus on the Eastern Front and try to repel all soviet offensive.
>>2101654
How are you defining "failed"?
But most likely you'd still have pinned the forces to northern France near enough, especially with the extent of the Transport Plan, and you'd still have the southern landings.
Allied presence in France would be slower to expand, but less hampered by logistical issues, assuming they do as well in Dragoon as they did historically, and they instead reinforce their beachhead from there and expand upwards.
You'd see a slower Allied movement, and probably extension of the war by a few months.
>>2101666
This. Also Western Europe would most likely become communists
>>2101671
>and Munich
What the FUCK did we do
>>2101698
Well we kind of need to fill a quota. I mean, one bomb isn't enough.
>>2101698
nuthin personnel kid...
In this comic the landings failed. The allied landed in the south of France (like IRL). De Gaulle died in a plane crash. Stalin stopped his troops and let the Allied had their own Stalingrad in Lyon and after the Wehrmacht was almost destroyed there the Soviets rushed to Paris. So they all fought for Paris and France is divided in two republics and Check Point Charlie is under the Eiffel Tower.
>>2101654
Germany loses in 1946, the soviets take 1 million more casualties and end up controlling half of western europe
>>2101849
Didn't the allies already decide on how to split up Germany? Or was that after the war?
>>2101654
There really is no scenario in which they could fail. The power of overwhelming force was simply too great by that point, if in your scenario we magically conjure up enough German troop and equipment strength to beat them back, you're changing variables that would alter the rest of the war so much as to be pure speculation.
When Rommel took over the Atlantic Wall he understood the area that would become Omaha beach to be a potential invasion point, as he recognized similarities to Italian invasion sites, and although it wasn't reinforced to the extent he requested, they came close. It was the bloodiest beach for that reason, but it still fell.
That extra German division at Omaha was unknown to the allies, but had the rest of the Atlantic Wall been so reinforced, it would have been obvious by air, so the Overlord plans would have been adjusted as well.
Operation Dragoon, the landing in Southern France, would have been a simultaneous invasion as originally planned. As well as Operation Swordhilt, in which Patton would have landed at Brest. Swordhilt was initially part of Overlord because it was assumed the Americans would need a bigger port.