Question concerning pederasty in Antiquity

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because liking baras as a manly man makes you a homo ie: attracted to people that are just like you

Because liking dudes is gay, but there's nothing gay about admiring beautiful things, like youth.

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>>2099910
Not really in East Asia. Samurai had pederasty but grown, manly men, married with wives and children who had homo tendencies also bonked with each other.

Old China in particular.

>>2099927
Basically this, although liking young boys is faggy too imo. Little girls are the the pinnacle of the human expression of beauty.

>>2099910
>it was acceptable for males both to express feelings of intimate affection and sexual desire for "youthful" types
Source?
Do people actually believe this, or are they memeing?
>In4 Greece
Greece isn't the whole of human history.

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>>2099940
aren't little girls kind of a pain to sex though?

I wouldn't know...

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>>2099948
Who ever said anything about sex? I'm of a strict look but no touch belief before a certain point. One can admire and appreciate the beauty of youth with their eyes without corrupting them with...bad...things...

>>2099943
Greece, Rome, the Islamic world (especially the Persians and Ottomans), possibly various Mesoamerican cultures, and various Celtic tribes (supposedly).

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>>2099939
That's cute :3

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>>2099940
>liking little girls
Super gay.
How could you possibly compare the beauty of a boy, all lithe and smooth, to some ugly common female?

>>2099939
that's fucking gay as fuck

>>2099979
I don't think so. Boy's are nice, but they're meant to be raised up strong and as men to defend and fight for the tribe with honor and loyalty. Little girls are the ones that should be admired and showered with affection and praise for their lithe beauty. It is the natural order of things.

Liking wieners just makes you homo man.

>>2099979
>>2099989
Why obsess over features such as "lithe, cute, smooth", when bara is so much better?

Features such as:
>burliness
>ruggedness
>manliness

are much more aesthetically pleasing.

This is actually a really good thread topic though, so let's try to keep the shitposting down a bit and at least post some real history shit so mods don't go full b& hammer.

>>2099979
these boys are extremely girl like
I'd say that's why you're attracted to them in the first place

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>>2100004
Because cute is objectively better. Gods prefer Ganymedes after all.
>>2100012
You shut your whore mouth.
>>2100006
Or we could just post "art" until the hammer comes.

Because the way sexuality has always been construed up to that point was that the sex act itself, and homosexual sex acts were always interpreted in the frame of heterosexual sex. The heterosexual sex act embodies in its very practices the hierarchy of man over woman. The idea is, man is superior. He's supposed to be on top. So the preferred position is the missionary position.

In fact, in ancient Judaism and Christianity it was considered abominable, considered sex "against nature", to have the woman penetrate the man in any way. Why? Because they considered it only natural that the man is the superior one and he penetrates the woman. It's male to penetrate; it's feminine to be penetrated. And they believed that whether it was penis/vagina sex, or whether it was oral sex, or whether it was anything.

Any kind of sexual intercourse in the ancient world, and this continued pretty much all the way until the modern world, the man is superior, masculinity is superior, and femininity is inferior. And that's embodied in the sex act itself: the superiority of the penetrator and the inferiority of the penetrated.

So in ancient society like Greece the homosexual act was also considered an act of superiority therefore men only fucked boys to assert their dominance

>>2099910
The Shota is the highest form of sexuality, the purest of the pure, and everything man does is to appreciate his young, unspoiled beauty

>>2100127
Freak

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>>2100033
Literally a woman. Are you into traps or transvestites?
>>2100127
Pedophile.

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>>2100044

>>2100193
>>2100222
You insult me because you have not understood the highest manifestation of sexuality

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Because how can you not worship this?

>>2100373
It has a penis

>>2100374

It's very small and cute though.

>>2100381
still a penis.

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>>2099966
this

boyfuckers raus

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>>2100222
>Can't even tell a boy from a woman
explains your shit taste.

I think this thread needs more beauty to chase out the shit posters and plebs.

>>2100424
>ywn live a comfy life in the woods with your young son, teaching him about life and about his body and then having sweet loving sex
Feels bad man

>>2100446
>and then having sweet loving sex

You had me until there.

>>2100457
How else is he gonna learn about his body?

>>2100466
With a girl, lad.

>>2100472
No
You have to teach him
Preferably in a female-free environment

>>2100490
That's just gay and incestuous man. He's going to hate you for sticking it up his pooper.

>>2100501
>that's gay and incestuous
What's the problem
>he's going to hate you
No, he's going to love me for showing him love

>>2099910
Young boys were considered to be the most beautiful, for the same reason anyone would consider a young woman more beautiful than a 40 year old one. But that doesn't mean they were exclusively attracted to young boys.

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>>2100511
You've got issues, man.

>>2100523
If I raise my son right then he won't have the issues I have

>>2100381
Hahaha
>It a femineen penis tho! not gay!!!
I love it when memes manifest into reality

>>2100536
If you put it up his pooper he will.

>>2100540
>implying the love and adoration of shota falls into your petty categories

>>2100544
That's what every boy wants and deserves

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>>2099927
>>2099940
>>2099969
>>2099979
>>2100033
>>2100373
>>2100424
>>2100446
Wew lad.
I figured this thread was going to be about how it impacted different cultures how how subjective morality has changed through the ages - but FFFUUUUCCCKKK this thread is just filled with creepy pedofucks waiting to get thrown into the oven.

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Sculptures made me gay. I'm don't even if I'm into sex, I just love the ideal male body.
I think that maybe that might have played a part in ancient homosexual love. They were just mirin, bro.

>>2100553
>>2100523

>>2100558
Hey man, don't lump me in with the boyfag.

>>2100548
Really hoping your just takin the piss m8.

>>2099939
Kek there's the same story about Muhammad and his sleeping cat.

>>2100558
Shota isn't pedo
It's an admiration of beauty
>>2100562
Not an argument
>>2100565
Why would I be? Modern conceptions of sexuality don't account for feminine/young boys

>>2100569
>Trying to justify abhorrent sexual practices.
Its wrong for the exact same reason having sex with the mentally ill or animals is wrong there is no way for them to give consent (just saying "yes" is not consent they have to be aware of what they are actually doing which children and the disabled are not capable of doing)

>>2100588
You don't need consent if you know what's best for them

>>2100558
Not an argument

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>>2100560
>They were just mirin, bro.
The rest of this thread aside, yeah pretty much. Obviously you had some full blown homo, but mostly it was just dudes appreciating the masculine form in it's various stages.

>>2100588
>(just saying "yes" is not consent
Lookout, we got us an sjw whiteknight prude.

>>2100569
Shota for lyfe bro.

Going to need some recommended titles on this subject, of pedophilia in cultures past in general.

>>2100614
This doesn't quite line up with first hand accounts. How do you explain the prevalence of same-sex attraction between young submissive males and dominate males as discussed by people like Cicero, Plutarch, etc?

>>2099940
Yeah I never understood, thiat, if it's ok to fuck kids why not go for the girls? mohammed(pbuh) had the right idea

>>2101086
Mohammad was a degenerate and Aisha probably hated him. Little girls should be loved and showered with affection my man.

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>>2100594
Your right it isnt an argument
The oven is the SOLUTION to fag kid diddlers.

>>2100566
>Muhammad is a cat person
All that "dog is unclean" nonsense making sense.

>>2101434
>girls
"no"
females exist for the sole purpose of reproduction. When we finally create artificial wombs we can live in a gaytriarchy once and for all

>>2100591
That's a dangerous way of thinking.

But for real, this is kind of a gay thread.
I wonder at what point it became unacceptable to fuck young boys in the public mind. With the number of fags in this thread maybe there's a chance public mood will take a twist.
God forbid.

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>>2102322
Is this real? was he being serious?

>>2099910
It ultimately comes from a segregation of the sexes. The same societies that developed open pederasty were also the same that had strict customs regarding male/female contact in public spaces. When you extend this vertically across multiple age groups you get a sort of echo chamber for philosophy, aesthetics, and misogyny that influences sexuality as well. By emphasizing the role of masculinity as opposed to and separate from femininity, they not only developed standards of love and beauty that did not require women, but actively disdained them.

The youth aspect came with the hierarchical nature of these cultures.

>>2099940
>Little girls are the the pinnacle of the human expression of beauty.
This is the only right answer.

>>2102907
No it isn't. A father owns his son, it's his natural right.
>>2103011
Of course. Women hold us back
>>2103582
Disgusting

>>2100588
Not even pedo but this is a dumb argument. Children are not braindead, of course you can make them understand what they're doing and in places like Ancient Greece I'm sure they did.

Bump for >>2101020

>>2099910
It wasn't.

This is a myth faggots keep pushing in an attempt to justify their faggotry.

The Greek system was merely a MENTOR system where a kid would be given a mentor to teach him some of the skills he needed to be a man. This system is more effective because it's easier for a kid to take criticism from a mentor, than from their own father. These were essentially the football coaches, combat instructors, and teachers of their time.

The idea that grown men were attracted to fucking boys, and that their fathers allowed that shit, is just fucking stupid, and the only people that believe it are morons, and delusional faggots that want to fuck boys. Any faggot that tried to use a mans son as a fuck toy would be pretty much instantly murdered back then, just as they would today, and rightly so.

>>2099989
>I don't think so. Boy's are nice, but they're meant to be raised up strong and as men to defend and fight for the tribe with honor and loyalty. Little girls are the ones that should be admired and showered with affection and praise for their lithe beauty. It is the natural order of things.
how shit you cannot be more of a spooked beta

>>2107344
>taking a shitpost this seriously
This isn't reddit friendo. Lighten up.