Military Leaders

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>no Santa Anna

Add Sulla and scipio over augustus imo.
Maybe for variety one or two chinese commanders, there are many vald ones there.

>>2094104
What, as a study of what NOT to do?

>>2094104
>>2094108
I wouldn't mind studying people who have made mistakes.

I read Haig has been criticised a lot and I look forward to seeing why.

>>2094107
Thanks

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>>2094112
Santa Anna is notiorious for turning Mexico into a dictatorship and then being directly responsible for losing something like 45-50% of Mexico's territory in wars he took personal command of.

>>2094119
So is he so bad that there isn't really any point in learning from his mistakes because they were obvious?

Or is he just bad enough that he has some merit to him and one can learn from his mistakes?

>>2094154
Well, it's a useful look at how Mexico went from being the most powerful nation in North America to being a pathetic backwater in just over 20 years after independence.

>>2094091
Bolivar
San Martin
Mannerheim
Nguyen Giap
Moshe Dayan

>>2094871
thanks

Foch
Zhukov
MacArthur

Genghis, patton, Washington, lee

>>2094936
>>2094951
thanks

>>2094091
>John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough (26 May 1650 – 16 June 1722)
Irrelevant
Prince Eugene was the real man in that war

>Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1 May 1769 – 14 September 1852)
Irrelevant
Blucher was the real man in that war

>Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig (19 June 1861 – 29 January 1928)
Irrelevant
Foch was the real man in that war

>Bernard Montgomery (17 November 1887 – 24 March 1976)
Irrelevant
Eisenhower was the real man in that war

I want unwaranted British self importance to end

>>2095223
Alright, well tell me about this updated list:

Cyrus the Great (600 or 576 – 530 BC)
Alexander III of Macedon (20/21 July 356 BC – 10/11 June 323 BC)
Pyrrhus of Epirus (319/318–272 BC)
Hannibal (247 – between 183 and 181 BC)
Scipio Africanus (236–183 BC)
Sulla (138 BC – 78 BC)
Gaius Julius Caesar (13 July 100 BC – 15 March 44 BC)
Augustus (23 September 63 BC – 19 August 14 AD)
Attila (406–453)
Flavius Belisarius (505 – 565)
Khalid ibn al-Walid (585–642)
Charlemagne (2 April 742/747/748 – 28 January 814)
Genghis Khan (1162 – August 18, 1227)
Subutai (1175–1248)
Oda Nobunaga (June 23, 1534 – June 21, 1582)
Gustavus Adolphus (9 December 1594 – 6 November 1632)
John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough (26 May 1650 – 16 June 1722)
Charles XII (17 June 1682 – 30 November 1718)
Alexander Suvorov (13 November 1729 or 1730 – 18 May 1800)
George Washington (February 22, 1732 [O.S. February 11, 1731][b][c] – December 14, 1799)
Napoleon Bonaparte (15 August 1769 – 5 May 1821)
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1 May 1769 – 14 September 1852)
José de San Martín (25 February 1778 – 17 August 1850)
Simón Bolívar (24 July 1783 – 17 December 1830)
Antonio López de Santa Anna (21 February 1794 – 21 June 1876)
Robert Edward Lee (January 19, 1807 – October 12, 1870)
Marshal Ferdinand Jean Marie Foch (2 October 1851 – 20 March 1929)
Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig (19 June 1861 – 29 January 1928)
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (4 June 1867 – 27 January 1951)
Douglas MacArthur (26 January 1880 – 5 April 1964)
General George Smith Patton Jr. (November 11, 1885 – December 21, 1945)
Johannes Erwin Eugen Rommel (15 November 1891 – 14 October 1944)
Bernard Montgomery (17 November 1887 – 24 March 1976)
Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov (1 December [O.S. 19 November] 1896 – 18 June 1974)
Moshe Dayan (20 May 1915 – 16 October 1981)
Võ Nguyên Giáp (25 August 1911 – 4 October 2013)

>>2094091
My advice is to get rid of Augustus and replace him with Scipio Africanus. Augustus was an average general, but a better statesman. No point in studying his military career.

>>2095251
So is it really pointless to study his fight against Mark Antony?

>>2094091
>Any suggestions for books on Strategy, Tactics and Logistics?
You could try the west point reading list:

The Top Ten Military Classics

1. Clausewitz, Carl von. On War.

2. Corbett, Julian Stafford. Some Principles of Maritime Strategy.

3. Delbruck, Hans. History of the Art of War Within the Framework of Political History.

4. Douhet, Giulio. The Command of the Air.

5. Du Picq, Ardant. Battle Studies.

6. Jomini, Antoine Henri. The Art of War.

7. Machiavelli, Niccolo. The Art of War.

8. Mahan, Alfred Thayer. The Influence of Sea Power Upon History 1660-1783.

9. Sun Tzu. The Art of War.

10. Thucydides. The Peloponnesian War.

>>2096090
Thanks a lot

>>2094091
Subotai would be fun, also Tamerlane

>>2094091
Where the fuck is Genghis?

>>2094091
Yi Soon Shin
Cao Cao
Robert e Lee

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>>2096731
Not on the list just like it should be since anyone with a fraction of knowledge of the Mongolian conquest knows it was Subutai that was the main man behind the expansion and show.

Red Cloud
Lawrence of Arabia

Here's my updated list, give it a rating out of 10:

Part 1

King David (c. 1040–970 BC)
Cyrus the Great (600 or 576 – 530 BC)
Sun Tzu (c. 544-496 BC)
Leonidas (c. 540-480 BC)
Pericles (c. 495–429 BC)
Alexander III of Macedon (20/21 July 356 BC – 10/11 June 323 BC)
Pyrrhus of Epirus (319/318–272 BC)
Hannibal (247 – between 183 and 181 BC)
Scipio Africanus (236–183 BC)
Spartacus (c. 109–71 BC)
Sulla (138 BC – 78 BC)
Gaius Julius Caesar (13 July 100 BC – 15 March 44 BC)
Augustus (23 September 63 BC – 19 August 14 AD)
Tiberius (42 BC-37 AD)
Titus (39-81 AD)
Hadrian (76-138 AD)
Marcus Aurelius (121-180)
Constantine the Great (c. 272-337)
Attila the Hun (406–453)
Justinian I (c. 482 – 14 November 565)
Flavius Belisarius (505 – 565)
Khalid ibn al-Walid (585–642)
Charlemagne (2 April 742/747/748 – 28 January 814)
Macbeth (c. 1005-1057)
William the Conqueror (c. 1028-1087)
Saladin (1137/1138-1193)
Genghis Khan (1162 – August 18, 1227)
Subutai (1175–1248)
Kublai Khan (1215-1294)
William Wallace (c. 1270-1305)
Timur (1336-1405)
Henry V (1386-1422)
George Castriot (6 May 1405 – 17 January 1468)
Joan of Arc (c. 1412-1431)
Mehmed II (30 March 1432 – 3 May 1481)
Francisco Pizarro (c. 1471/1476-1541)
Hernán Cortés (1485-1547)
Cuauhtémoc (c. 1495-1525)
Lautaro (1534-1557)
Oda Nobunaga (June 23, 1534 – June 21, 1582)
Gustavus Adolphus (9 December 1594 – 6 November 1632)
Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658)
Shivaji (1627-1680)
Louis XIV (1638-1715)
John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough (26 May 1650 – 16 June 1722)
Peter the Great (1672-1725)
Charles XII (17 June 1682 – 30 November 1718)
Frederick II (24 January 1712 – 17 August 1786)
Alexander Suvorov (13 November 1729 or 1730 – 18 May 1800)
George Washington (February 22, 1732 [O.S. February 11, 1731][b][c] – December 14, 1799)
Ethan Allen (1738-1789)

>>2096835
Part 2:

John Paul Jones (1747-1792)
Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla (1753-1811)
Tecumseh (1768-1813)
Napoleon Bonaparte (15 August 1769 – 5 May 1821)
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1 May 1769 – 14 September 1852)
José de San Martín (25 February 1778 – 17 August 1850)
Agustin de Iturbide (1783-1824)
Simón Bolívar (24 July 1783 – 17 December 1830)
Francisco de Paula Santander (1792-1840)
Antonio López de Santa Anna (21 February 1794 – 21 June 1876)
Robert Edward Lee (January 19, 1807 – October 12, 1870)
Giuseppe Garibaldi (1807-1882)
Ulysses S. Grant (1822-1885)
Geronimo (1829-1909)
Marshal Ferdinand Jean Marie Foch (2 October 1851 – 20 March 1929)
Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig (19 June 1861 – 29 January 1928)
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (4 June 1867 – 27 January 1951)
Emilio Aguinaldo (1869-1964)
Douglas MacArthur (26 January 1880 – 5 April 1964)
General George Smith Patton Jr. (November 11, 1885 – December 21, 1945)
Bernard Montgomery (17 November 1887 – 24 March 1976)
Ho Chi Minh (19 May 1890 – 2 September 1969)
Johannes Erwin Eugen Rommel (15 November 1891 – 14 October 1944)
Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov (1 December [O.S. 19 November] 1896 – 18 June 1974)
Moshe Dayan (20 May 1915 – 16 October 1981)

Epaminondas
Lord Nelson
Akbar

>>2096835
>>2096839
pretty solid

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Needs more ancient Mesopotamian/Egyptian love

Like Ashurbunipal for his military successes in hardening the Neo-Assyrian empire and Ramesses II for expanding the New Egyptian empire into Hittite lands.

>>2095262
Yes, actually. His "fight" with Antony involved a quick naval battle followed by the surrender of Antony's army. The entire civil war was fucking hilariously one sided.