Who were the "bad guys" in World War 1?

>>2089386
the good guys

>>2089386
serbia

>>2089386
The supposed "allied powers" aka the allies of Satan.

There were no clear cut villains. The Germans invaded a neutral Belgium but the others were all clamouring for war anyway.

The monarchies

>>2089386
The bad guys were the leaders who send to their deaths millions of people

>>2089386
The Entente, definitely
Millions of men dying to defend the fucking serbs, well done lads

>>2089502
At least they stopped Germany from dominating the continent :^)

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>>2089386
Germany. Easily.

>had random belgians shot because they thought literally every Belgian was a partisan in waiting
>blew up random French castles because "fuck you frogs"

Germans. Those fucks literally only wanted war for the sake of war and conquest. What happened with the damn Serbs was just an excuse.

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It's childish to think there is such thing as good or bad in a war.There are only good soldiers and bad soldiers.

>>2089546
Truly the last of the old wars.

>>2089546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2zotdaUbto
16:30

>>2089386
Austria-Hungary and Italy

Fucking dalmatians

>>2089571
here let me fix that for you

>Austria-Hungary and Turkey

Very spefically the Prussians.

The French, as evidenced what they used their victory for: fucking up Europe for the next few decades (they were the stupid kind of evil).

Nice thread to illustrate how propaganda fromm a century ago still works.
>We are the good!

>>2089386
The eternal Belgian

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>>2089502
No one cared about Serbs, the war was all about imperial hubris.

While obviously missing some nuance and other important actors (plus who the fuck cares about Australia?), I've long felt the WW1 as bar fight analogy is on the right path. They were all puffed-up braggarts itching to throw a swing.

>>2089512
not to mention that given they refused to pay their dues post-war, they actually made a profit of the belgian occupation

but versailles was to harsh right?

>>2089386
The semites

>>2089783
>but versailles was to harsh right?
Clearly, considering what it led to.

>inb4 he pinches nipples and screeches about how germany needed to be punished HARDER
Unfeasible outside of Frog masturbatory fantasies.

the invasion of belgium was unforgivable

>>2089897
>muh evil invasion
How is Schlieffen plan hurting them real Nigga just open your roads, hahah MOVE like get out the way. Let them past your forts!

>>2089940
Germanic culture on the West side of the Rhine has this strange Stockholm syndrome with France.

At least we can rest easily knowing that the Rhine will never, ever be the Franco-German border :^)

>>2089783
It wasn't harsh enough.

>>2089956
>>2089823

Predictable meme.

>>2089386
Why does this picture only show minority agitation in Austria-Hungary?

>>2089386
There are no "good guys" or "bad guys" in any war.

>>2089386
>bad guys
>in history

>>2089386
There are no bad guys, only conflicting national interests.

>>2089546
Did the NYE ceasefire actually happen? I thought I read it was a meme

>>2089386
Germans as always.

>>2089391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW37AGZ0Pj0

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>>2089386
the jews

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>>2089512
>yfw Russia actually mobilised first

The Triple Entente, who used Princip and his conspirators as catalysts for the war, knowing that assassinating Ferdinand would lead to war. This gave them a reason to open hostilities with Germany, and send the nation into the shitter after the war ended, because they were afraid of another Bismarck.

>>2089388
preach the controversy!

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>>2089951
>the Rhine will never, ever be the Franco-German border
But it literally is.

>>2089991
uh-huh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY

>>2089386

Germans, obv.

>>2090029
Sort of, but it's been very exaggerated in scale. It was very early in the war, before anything too brutal happened, and before propaganda went into turbo mode to prevent such fraternizing. Basically, you professional, old-school officers with a sense of 'noble' soldiering and cameraderie on both sides agreeing (at first) to allow retrieval and burial of the dead. Some did exchange gifts, sing carols and play football. Some also continued fighting and shooting and blowing each other up.

>>2089386
No-one. Lenin was a dickhead. Many other rulers also were. The systems that lead to absolutism and imperialism were the real bad guys.

>>2089386
g*rmans

>>2090401
I wonder what the world would have looked like had the propaganda failed and the entire front just collapsed on both sides due to mass desertion

>>2090279
Of course they did you idiot, they were obligated by treaty to support Serbia and Austria-Hungary was about to kick their shit in deserved or no.

>>2089991

*until Germans get involved.

>>2090637
Low test memetics.

If the Second Reich was better behaved in wartime conduct, I'd be tempted to declare the entente.

If it weren't shit like Belgium and the Lusitania and Germany would've had my full support.

>>2089546
>ywn have a yuletide beer with your Scot and Prussian bros
Why fucking live

>>2090712
germans were such barbarians in their occupied territories they lose all goodwill anyone could have had for them

I mean they were literally ISIS tier

>>2090740
Exactly. If they were more honorable the entente would be almost inexcusable.

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>>2089386
>Who were the "bad guys" in World War 1?

The usual suspects.

G*rms

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>>2090279
Hmmm

The men sending others to die pointless deaths

WW1 would have been a quick Austro-German shitstomp of Russia had the Gaul not lured the Tsar into the entente. The eternal Gaul does it again.

>>2089394
>a "neutral" Belgium
FTFY

>>2090634
Just like Germany was obligated to support Austria-Hungary.

>>2089386
Nicholas II, also Italy.

>>2091906
You mean multiple parties share responsibility for the outbreak of WW1 and there weren't actually any 'bad guys'?

Wilhelm II, who refused to listen to Von Bismarck who knew his shit.
The German generals who decided to pass through Belgium and involve England.
The Austro-Hungars who couldn't deal with their Serb problem in the first place.
The idiot Serbs who decided to shot the only person who was on their side anyway.

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>>2090029
It happened in 1914 on a couple areas of the Western front. The next year a few tried it again and ended up getting killed.

If you want a good movie on it to watch on Christmas there's a movie called Joyeux Noel that's top notch.

>>2091709
add alaric and karl marx to this picture

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>>2089546
>>2092823

>>2093292
What is the guy on the far right wearing on his head? It's like a sock for your neck or something, I like it.

Serbs. They should just accept the fucking ultimatum, but no! Must ruin the Europe because they can't accept responsibility for being murder bastards.

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>>2093302
A WWI Balaclava? http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/wwi-balaclavas

>>2093314
thank you

>>2093309
Serbia accepted the ultimatum.

>>2092807
still mostly Germany, they were itching for a war since the god damn Moroccan Crisis a decade earlier, not to mention Germany declared war on everyone first

>>2089386
Belgium.

>>2093322
No problem, though that's the Red Cross pattern and no the original English pattern, no idea where you could find that one tho.

>>2093326
They only pretended to, actually they wanted war. This is why they ignored most important chapters that would actually punish terrorists.

>>2093331
Them and those fucking out of control Luxembourgers too.

Japan, they were here only to steal colonies.

>>2093334
I'm Austrian and I'm glad you Americans are defending us so much for little incentive, idk what we ever did for you

>>2089386
Objectively Austria

>C-calm down it's only a little war in the Balkans, guys!!

They were playing with fire and they knew it.

>>2093352
You started the Napoleonic Wars which made Napoleon sell the Louisiana territory to the US for dollars

>>2089386
The leaders of both sides were bad and the people of both sides were probably somewhat good. Except Italians, they're shitty cunts.

>>2089783

Brest-Livosk invalidates any and all complaints of the Boche. Fuckers took their own patsies they helped get into power in Russia and gave them a wasteland and called it peace. Reduce Russia to pre peter the great borders, 1/3rd of arable land 1/3rd of populace 3/4ths of coal and steel production 1/4th of railways 6 billion marks debt to Germany.

>We're going to demilitarize the rhineland, you lose Danzig and we occupy the ruhr until you pay us for your rape and plunder

>MEIN GOTT THIS IS A HOLOCAUST

>>2093500
>We're going to demilitarize the rhineland, you lose Danzig and we occupy the ruhr until you pay us for your rape and plunder

You couldn't even enforce this IRL, but your solution is to somehow have enforced a meme-tier Theodore Kaufman genocide instead?

>>2090740

The Germans treated fellow Europeans like those Europeans treated negroes and Musulamans and yellow monkeys. And then was remarkably shocked that European sentiments turned against someone who treated them that way. Austro-Hungarians inherited a mess of having to rule ethnic minorities like imperial subjects, the Prussians wanted to rule europeans like that and saw no problem with the anachronistic Junker mentality.


>>2093515

I'm noting how the Germans acted with such shock and horror at terms infinitely more lenient than the draconian, downright brutal terms they offered the Russians. Which were also offered after initially promising no giving up land was necessary, and was offered as the Germans continued to march eastward and try and gobble up as much territory as they could. This wasn't Morgenthau's revenge plan, this was very reasonable and downright generous policies of the victor to the defeated compared to what the victorious German offered the defeated Russian.

But the Germans clung to the self-pitying mythos of the stabbed in the back explanation and so everyone else was at fault besides them.

And what are you talking about not enforcing it IRL? They did demilitarize the rhineland, they did take Danzig away, they did occupy the Ruhr temporarily before the Germans caught more flies with honey by passive resistance instead of chimping out.


if the Boche had won we'd have seen something as severe as Brest-Livosk with the Entente.

>>2089546
https://youtu.be/6KHoVBK2EVE
>muh chocolate shilling

>>2089386
(((Them)))

>>2093537
>before the Germans caught more flies with honey by passive resistance instead of chimping out
That's a funny way of saying "threatening another war".

>>2093330
>they were itching for a war since the god damn Moroccan Crisis a decade earlier
If Russia and France were not itching for war, why would they risk a major European conflict over some nonsense happening at the Balkans? The point remains: Russia and France were just as willing to go to war as Germany and they perfectly knew what they were getting themselves into.

>not to mention Germany declared war on everyone first
"He hit me first" is not a valid argument, you should have learned that in Kindergarten. Germany didn't declare war out of random but it happened within a historical context. And Russia mobilising their army and France not declaring themselves neutral is part of that context.

>>2093537
>The Germans treated fellow Europeans like those Europeans treated negroes and Musulamans and yellow monkeys.
Good, about time someone taught them a lesson.

"I think a curse should rest on me — because I love this war. I know it's smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment — and yet — I can't help it — I enjoy every second of it." -WINSTON CHURCHILL, 1916

Britain is almost always the villain.

>>2089386
Bulgarians were the true bad guys.

>arm up despite disarmament clauses
>declare neutrality, then break it
>backstab serbia
>betray slavic cause
>ally with turks
>occupy neutral greek lands
>invade neutral romania when they only declared war on hungary
>use artillery and bombs on their own people in macedonia
>get half of the male population to the front, ruining economy
>do destructive bayonet charges that ruined both their army and the allied seven nation armies sent against them
>still try to get a good deal after the war

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>>2093828
>he said that while ordering suicidal charges of australians against machine guns in turkey

>>2090712
The Lusitania WAS carrying military gear and ammunition though, and openly declared that it was. By official rules of the time, it was arguably a fair target. Obviously a cold-hearted dick move, but the British were probably betting on the fact the Germans were unlikely to fire on a passenger ship.

fun fact: my great-grandmother immigrated TO Canada aboard it on one of its earlier trips, circa 1911.

the better question is, who were the good guys?

face it, if any continent deserved to burn in 1914 it was Europe

>>2094096
Neutral countries were good guys.

>>2092800
By declaring war on France and invading Belgium?

>>2093537
Fledgling (mostly united) Germany wanted its place in the European sun. Other European powers laughed and pointed and did not want to share. This created a bitter superiority complex.

Not saying it was right, but it's not as if other European powers

Prussians were also only one faction (the most militaristic one) in united Germany. Within the rest of the country, many also despised them.

Nicholas II was a fucking idiot for joining the war at all. Got what was coming to him

Germany were mildly aggressive. Part of it was the over-dependence on the Schlieffen Plan which caused war with France and the British Empire

From the Battle of the Marne onwards they were fucked, the British Empire had astonishing resources available to them

Honestly, everyone were self-destructive and suicidal in WW1.

But apparently everyone but Germany learned from it.

>>2094147
Nicky II only joined the war because this throne was guaranteed fucked otherwise and the war had some chance of rallying his beleaguered population.

Which it did, for a time, until the defeats started rolling in. Tsarist Russia was doomed long before 1914 though.

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>>2089386
>WWI
>Everyone involved was either a colonial empire or an autocratic empire.
Everyone.

>>2089386
It ain't me at least

>>2089394
>the others were all clamouring for war anyway.
no

>>2093740
you preach about context yet funnily enough forget the entire "GIBE UR FORTS N CITIES OR WE WAR U" approach germany has taken with regard to france (or "here is an ultimatum but we will declare war on you regardless of your response" in case of german actions towards russia)

>>2094398
>GIBE UR FORTS N CITIES OR WE WAR U

They asked for the forts of Toul and Verdun to be handed over for the time of the war as a pawn for neutrality. But France had already sworn allegiance to Russia, so this request wasn't the reason for the French refusal to declare themselves neutral.

>"here is an ultimatum but we will declare war on you regardless of your response" in case of german actions towards russia

didn't happen, maybe you confuse it with the ultimatum to Serbia?

>>2093253
good ole karl was a kike not a german

>>2089394
>the others were all clamouring for war anyway
>Britain
>clamouring for war

The British just didn't want their naval supremacy challenged, they guaranteed Belgium's neutrality because nobody believed Germany would actually invade them but then they actually did the absolute madmen.

Britain wasn't even ready for a land war which is why it took them a while to actually commit a sizeable amount troops to the effort.

For the first couple of years it was just assistance to the much larger French effort.

>>2089386
da fuck are you on about? italy was on the site of the entente in ww1

>>2094559
Not in 1914. Italy was a founding member of the Triple Alliance and declared their neutrality. They didn't join the Entente until 1915.

>>2089386
>thinking wars have bad and good guys
Nice propaganda mate.

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>>2089386
Serbian nationalism, German encroachment on Belgian soil, the French for existing.

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>>2094121
How else?

>>2089823
>Clearly, considering what it led to
Telling an autistic kid to sit in his chair must be unduly harsh as well, considering what it usually leads to.

>>2090401
>before anything too brutal happened
Marne had the highest rate of casualties per day of any battle in the entire Western Front.

>>2090029
Only in the British sectors (which were a fraction of the total line), the French were having none of that shit.

>>2093368
That and they gave us Hitler, so America can forever pretend to have the moral high ground in whatever situation it jumps in.

>>2093889
So typical Balkan behavior.

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>>2089386
The Eternal Turk.

>>2090257
>>2095045
Only correct answers. Jewish banks created the situation for the war. The Turks and their blob empire created the environment.

>>2095010
I meant more like actually malicious atrocities. Marne was the first greatest smash-up of infantry forces, and naturally they minced each other. Still essentially run-of-the-mill conventional warfare though.

>>2094416
>They asked for the forts of Toul and Verdun to be handed over for the time of the war as a pawn for neutrality.

The fact you think that's acceptable proves you're a retarded Germanboo

>>2094416
>didn't happen
it literally did
the Germans handed over two sets of responses
both meant war

>>2089386
>Who were the "bad guys" in World War 1?
Austria
Germany

>>2095029
>pretend
We do have the moral high ground in every conflict we jump in.

>>2089783

It was no different than French behaviour during Napoleonic times. The rats basically ransacked and hun everything at their pass. Severely damaged and almost blew up the Alhambra out of pure butthurt.

If anything, Paris should have been burnt to the ground and France torn to pieces in 1814. Yet, they escaped free. Twice.

>>2097638
Start shit, get hit
There is no country invaded by Napoleon that didnt deserve it

Serbia and Germany

>>2089386
The jews

>>2089386
There were not bad guys, only victims all around. The light of 6 empires went out that war.

>>2094398
Do you think Russia and France would have backed down and let Austria and Serbia settle things by themselves?

No, they wouldn't have.

And that's the entire point: Russia and France were no innocent parties here.

>>2096263
It's perfectly acceptable if that's the cost of avoiding WW1.

>>2089386
I'm gonna say the ETERNAL KRAUTS, but I'm a Serb so I'm probably biased.

>>2094446
he was a german kike

>>2099157
FYI
>GAVRILO PRINCIP DID, LITERALLY, NOTHING WRONG

>>2099172
He was just a kid.

>>2089386
Capitalists

everything thats wrong with the world is from the anglo scum and their jewish masters

>>2089386
Germans

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>>2099178
he good boy ?

>>2099289
Maybe. Whether he was or wasn't doesn't change the fact that he did nothing wrong.

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>>2099345
so he didndu nuffin ?

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>>2089386
As usual.
The French were the good guys, the Germans the bad guys.

The /pol/ for create this kind of thread.

>>2098197
>The light of 6 empires went out that war.

Yeah, but a new one rose from the ashes: USA! USA! USA!

Also, butthurt eurofag detected.

>>2097652
Egypt? Did they start shit with Napoleon?

>>2098535
>give me your shit while I declare war on your ally
>"no"
>the French are responsible for the war!!!

>>2093889
Nope, it was the Romanians.
>We don't want Transylvania, we promise :^)
>Could we be in your little playing circle, Germany? Oh cool
>Wow, these Russians are really beating you to death, better take Transylvania, no hard feelings, right mate?
>Alright-alright, we give up Hungary, just don't rape our women
>1918 comes
>Germany and A-H is badly in need of peace
>We are back in the war!
>One day before the German Armistice was signed and 10 days after in Hungary a fucking socialist-pacifist premier has emerged to power who let the soldiers go from the army
Fucking Romanians.

>>2098535

iirc the German ambassador or attaché didn't even present the demands for Toul and Verdun because even he knew these demands were impossible for frogs to accept.

Germany asking France for neutrality was entirely perfunctory