>CHARLEmagne >King of the FRANKS >not French Germanfags btfo

>>2070534
And of the Lombards!
Don't forget me them Lombards

>>2070534
He was Belgian. Probably born near Liege and his dad was from Herstal.
Other people who are technically kinda Belgian:
>Godfrey de Bouillon
>Charles V
>Clovis
No wonder the EU capital is over there

>>2070646
>Belgian
Belgians are neither an etnicity of a culture to begin with. They are Dutch or Frenchified Dutch. Charlemagne was a Netherlander (the geographic area, not the state).

Frogs and Krauts, stay off our history.

>>2070534
Charlemagne was neither French nor German
He was Holy Roman

>wa zeg! Kiek noe eens!
>'k benne gewoon van goud!

>>2070534
Howdy my Germanic servants

Check it out, I'm made of gold

t. Charlemagne

Fucking hell
He was a Frank
Not a German, not a french, not a Belgian or anything, he wasjust frank how hard is it ro understand

>>2070534
Wasn't he African though? Pretty sure I've seen some credible evidence proving that he was.

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franks were a germanic tribe. Settled the area of gaul. The normal person in KARL DER GROSSE's empire was a mix of latin gaul and frankish german. However the Frankish aristocracy and especially the royal family were frankish german. He is both the patron of the kings of france AND germany. Fuck off francophile fags.

howdy

germanic

servants

check

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out

i'm

made

of

gold

>>2070534
The Franks were from Frankfurt in Germany and spoke Old High German.

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>>2070926
t. Germanic servant

>>2070851
It's pretty obvious where Franks were from

>>2070679
The Holy Roman was neither Holy nor Roman

>>2070926
>giving a single solitary fuck about jewt's "opinions"

>>2070534
He signed himself Karolus Magnus. Besides France and Germany didn't exist jet.

>>2070668
The Dutch are merely Dutchified Frenchmen though.

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audible KEK

>>2070926
moot was a fool and got outplayed by stronger interests willing to appeal to the stormfags

he thought being the 'forefront of the anonymous revolution' meant that he could dictate its course too, and was smacked down like the little bitch he always was.

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t. charlamané

>>2070534

desu im a bigger fan of charles martel. more significant figure for the rise of the white race.

>>2070851
>The Franks were from Frankfurt in Germany

And the princes were from Port-au-Prince

WE

>>2071183
Well in that case he never existed

>>2070534
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>>2070773
This, fuck off to /int/ with that shit

>>2071676
The French are merely frenchified Germans though.

>>2070646
he wasn't belgae or fleming tho

>>2070926
Well he's a tranny and allowed a board to share child porn for about a year so ... not really gonna take his advice

>>2071183
But was he an emperor?

>>2070534
He was actually a Saxon, that's why he kept on beating them up because he didn't want his mothers secret to spread

>>2070851
Frankfurt = "Ford to Francia" or "Ford to the Franks" you peasant

>>2071700
>he thought being the 'forefront of the anonymous revolution' meant that he could dictate its course too
>decides to make an anime webstie at the age of 15
>only uses it to share naked pictures of asuka
>apparently this means he had some pretention of pushing forward an anonymoose revolution

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>Approximate location of the original Frankish tribes in the 3rd century

OK everybody fucking thread closed.

Everybody go home unless you like being trolled by a retard who can't fucking use Google.

Good fucking thread OP now go kill yourself.

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>>2070926
>moot

Who?

>>2074104
>not realizing all of the talking points and lectures moot gave at various internet conferences through his tenure especially during the later half when facebook/tumblr/twitter became bywords in american lexicon

nice try moot, your failed dreams win no cachet here.

>>2073881
Might as well say:

Frankfurt = Ford of the Franks" or "Ford where Franks settled", you peasant.

>>2074386
>he doesn't really that those talks were master-level trolling

>>2074373
Charlemagne didn't live in the 3rd century, and that map shows French clay.

>>2073850
Belgae literally got absorbed into the Frankish foederati and Flemish culture/ethnicity came about later
>>2074496
West Frankia is occupying too much clay as it is.

Where's my Lothariniggas at?
WE WUZ FRANKZ N SHEIT

>>2074518
Lotharingia is French. Eastern Francia is French too, but you can keep that shit.

>>2074559
It is not you Gaulish pig.

>>2074455
Such master level trolling they left you without a job in the end!

You sure fooled us all, moot.

>>2074654
>you without a job in the end!
but moot works for google now

All mainland germanic peoples are just romanticised scandinavians.

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>>2070534
You tell me

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>>2070534
1/3

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2/3

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3/3

HUNS BTFO

>>2070668
>not knowing the differences between celtic belgae and salian franks

you're too stupid to live

>Franks
>Not germanic

>>2070534
franks are germans

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>>2070729
It is amazing indeed. Gold is a very valuable commodity. You are very powerful and I have no choice but to submit to my servile instincts and become your vassal. I totally didn't have plans for independence or world relevance by the way.

>Charlemagne wasn't French
"French" as in global nation is a social construct. In France there are several nations and several ethnics (celtics, mediterraneans, germanics, germano-celtics, arpitans, etc...).

Charlemagne was French in the sense he ruled over the uninterrupted geopolitical entity called "France" which was started with Clovis and maintained through History, dynasties and regime to become what is nowadays' France.

Was Charlemagne French ? Yes, he was a French monarch, of germanic ethnics of France.

Charlemagne was a Frank who was a French monarch and expended east to germany before splitting and creating a german geopolitical entity (eastern francia) which would become the HRE and later Germany as we know it.
His actions as a French monarch resulted in the creation of Germany.

That's the reason he is commonly called "Charlemagne", his French name. Even his story is called Matter of France.

Ne sont que iij matières à nul homme atandant,
De France et de Bretaigne, et de Rome la grant.

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>>2076645
he was dutch tho

>>2073217
>french coming from germans
???????

>>2078439
But he ruled over Germany's territory, you fucking idiot

>>2078995
As a continuity of the geopolitical entity Clovis (Louis) created, aka France. It split later of course, but it doesn't change the fact Franks ruled over what is France now before expending to germany and creating the geopolitical entity which would become HRE and later modern germany.
You don't need to call me an idiot, it's very unnecessary and is counter-productive for the discussion.

This is a stupid, useless discussion.

>>2078439
>That's the reason he is commonly called "Charlemagne", his French name.
In French and English, duh. In German, he is called "Karl der Große", and doing a quick look through the names of his Wikipedia page in other languages, the claim that he is "commonly called Charlemagne" doesn't hold up at all.

>>2079068
You're right. I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction.

>>2070534
This reminds me awfully of the Alexander the Great argument.

>Alexandros the 3rd
>King of Macedonians
>Greek

Just as present day Macedonians (fyrom), being french is a modern (national) concept. Doesn't mean he is German though. Germanic would probably be appropriate.

>>2079024
France is no more a continuity of the Frankish empire than Germany. Plus Clovis expanded into France from an area that nowadays mostly overlaps with the BeNeLux

Fun fact: Slavic words for "King" (Korol, Král, Król) are derived from "Karl" much like the way the words for Emperor in many languages (Kaiser, Tsar) are derived from Caesar.

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t. Karl der Große

>>2070534
France didn't even exist yet, Charlemagne predates what we know as France. The only thing you can say Charlemagne was is Frankish. So West Germanic. But he lived in France and ruled over France and the kingdom he created gave birth to modern France.

So in reality he's neither strictly German or French. Just like how the HRE is neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire. Fitting, isn't it, that Charlemagne founded the >HRE then?

>>2079134
>he lived in France
He lived in Germany though, and was (probably) not born in present day France either.

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Saxons and Frisians OUT!

>>2079141
He lived in the kingdom of Francia. Germany wouldn't exist for another thousand+ years.

>>2074654
>without a job
He's at Google, fool.

>>2079151
And France for a couple hundred.
It having a history that's in some ways less tumultuous does not make it a more direct continuation.

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>>2078469
Dutch are blond and tall, thus not Franks descents, they're descendants of the Vikings. .

>>2070534
Modern Franks speaking the Frankish-derived languages.

That's the Dutch and Germans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconia

>>2079225
Fuck off larper

Only blood matter

>>2079234
>Only blood matter
okay, so he's a german then

>>2079234
>The folks who speak the Frankish language evolution, who live in the Frankish homeland, live in God-Damn Franconia, which came from East Franconia of the Frankish Kingdom, are supposed to be less Frankish than some latinized gauls

>>2079240
Nope he is French you blond haired snow niggers should stop trying to stop our ancestors and go back to Scandinavia

>>2079242
Gauls werre tall blond haired blue eyed
Franks were dark haired, brown haired, brown eyed
French are brown haired and brown eyed

Thus we're the descendants of the Franks, the snow niggers are Gauls descendants that our ancestors expelled from France

>>2079244
>Charlemagne was likely born in Germany or Belgium
>Charlemagne was a Frank
>Charlemagne was King of the Franks
>his country was the kingdom of Franks
>Franks are by your definition german
>b-but he wasn't german

Are you so mad that your country is named after a German tribe that you're trying to convince yourself they weren't Germanic?

>>2079253
>Thus we're the descendants of the Franks
Yes, and the Franks are Germans you dummy. The Franks were a Germanic tribe, this is a fact. You aren't some pure Romano-Celtic master race, modern France is at least half German and like you said, the modern French people descend partly from the Franks.

>>2079253
So Gauls reside in Germania, the Germanics reside in Gaul?

Hello b8

>>2079253
do you have a single fact to back that up

>charles the gross

>>2079264
Various physical descriptions of the Gauls and Franks by Latin authors and the Carolingians illuminated manuscripts portraying Frankish soldiers, kings, bishops, and scribes.

See this for the Carolingian illuminated manuscripts :
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>>2076668

See this for the Gauls
>According to Ammianus Marcellinus
The Gauls are generally tall, with white skin, blond hair and frightful and ferocious eyes. Their mood is quarrelsome and extremely arrogant

>According to Diodorus Siculus:
The Gauls are tall of body with rippling muscles and white of skin and their hair is blond, and not only naturally so for they also make it their practice by artificial means to increase the distinguishing colour which nature has given it. For they are always washing their hair in limewater and they pull it back from the forehead to the nape of the neck, with the result that their appearance is like that of Satyrs and Pans since the treatment of their hair makes it so heavy and coarse that it differs in no respect from the mane of horses. Some of them shave the beard but others let it grow a little; and the nobles shave their cheeks but they let the moustache grow until it covers the mouth.

>>2073850
He was Catholic and spoke the ancestral language of the Dutch, which descends from Frankish.

He's closer to the Flemish than the Flemish are to the Belgiae

>>2079298
But Tacitus described the Germanic tribes as blue eyed and light haired, not swarthy

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Franks are Phyrigian descendants and merely spoke a German language but weren't germanic themselves as they swarthy prove it, Gauls were more Germanic than Franks in fact.

>>2079334
>as they swarthy prove it

as their swarthy appareance prove it*

>>2079334
Tacitus makes note of what he called the Istaevones, which we know to be the Franconian/Weser-Rhine Germanics.

When did your Anatolians you speak of make it to northwestern Germania?

>>2079354
*Isvaeones

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>>2079354
Wait, what am I doing, this is b8 out the ass

Go be retarded somewhere else.

>>2079354
I don''t know exactly, anyway, Franks aren't Germans since they looked just like their French descendants, while Germans and Dutch are blond haired people, and thus can't be of Frankish origin.

>>2079376
>Franks said they blond haired and tall Franks don't exist (see: Eginhard)
>Franks portrayed themselves as brown haired and dark hairedl(see Carolingian illuminated manuscripts)
>Still pretend they are Germanic

You should give up Hans.

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When I look up Carolingian Illuminated Manuscripts on Google images, anytime it seems to depict Franks they're red headed

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>>2079539
>implying


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_key_works_of_Carolingian_illumination


Not all of them represent Franks, but a lot of them represent Frankish soldiers and kings (like Charles the Bald), and all of them are brown-dark haired.

He was Germanic. Not the same as being German but it is damn closer than being a Latin speaker.

>>2079655
It's stupid. Franks, in the 9th century, weren't all germanic. The word had changed, just like Romans in the 4th century were not people from Italy only. You had Franks that spoke latin, and were still considered by everyone else as frank.

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>>2079640
I think you're mistaking some of those lighter shades for brown rather than just a darker blonde

Pic related is almost certainly trying to capture a shade of blonde

>>2079655
It's always funny to see French mental gymnastics in action to prove he was "French". Now we even have an autist that is trying to prove a Germanic tribe wasn't Germanic lmao

>>2079640
A lot of these are blonde or light brown haired.

>he fell for the all Germans are blonde meme

Even a lot of Scandinavians have brown hair.

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>>2079672
Nice denial


Pic related Louis the Pious it was the year of his death
Next will be Otto 1

>>2079655
Being German is just any number of the various tribes that become kingdoms which united

A Saxon, a Frank, an Allemani, a Suebi, these all became Germans.

Charlemagne/Charles the Great/Karl de Große, was a Frank, a Franconia, and they would become part of the German identity.
Some of those Franks made Western Franconia in Latinized Gaul, and became assimilated into the local culture. That Frankish influence made some of the French identity, but it didn't really change the Gaullo-Latin culture.

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>>2079672
Pic related is Otto 1 and his Frankish court
Next will be Charles the Bald and his court

>>2079688
>that
>not red hair

>>2079706
Otto has some really light brown hair.
Not very Phyrigian.

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>>2079672
Charles the Bald and his Frankish court
Next will be Frankish soldiers

>>2070534
successful bait is successful

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>>2079672
Frankish soldiers
Next will another batch of Frankish soldiers

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>>2079672
Frankish soldiers

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>>2079334
>Gauls were more Germanic than Franks in fact.
okay pierre, you're totally the heir of karl the great, whatever you say

>>2079754
when will they learn

>>2079706
Those are wise men bearing gifts, I don't know what the right side is, but it's likely to be biblical.

>>2079754
This is David and Goliath.

Almost all of these are scenes from the bible, and that's what most illuminated manuscripts were for.

>>2080490
>Those are wise men bearing gifts, I don't know what the right side is, but it's likely to be biblical.

>Roma Gallia Germania Sclavinia
>wise men bearing gifts

>This is David and Goliath.
Indeed

>>2074373
> tfw inferior German

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>>2080536
The pendant image (above) depicts four personifications of the territories over which Otto ruled and who are shown bringing him tribute. They are identified as: Sclavinia (Slavic east), Germania (roughly Germany), Gallia (roughly France), and Roma (Rome).
In the pic, the swarthy one (center left) is Gaul and the blonde one (center right) Germania.

You played yourself.

>>2080609
I mean switch left abd right

>>2080609
>Gauls and Slavs are niggers
>Germania is blond haired
>Franks are Brown and dark haired

Another proof that we're Franks since we aren't shitskins unlike Gaulniggers, and that Germans aren't Franks since they're blond,

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And Otto never ruled France he ruled Germany.

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>>2079293
Clearly a Frenchman.

t. brit

>>2070534
>duke rollo
>DUKE OF THE NORTHMEN
>his ancestors weren't northmen

low test apologists BTFO

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