Is Sykes–Picot really the source of all the problems in the

um ottoman empire 2k17?

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>>2067526

>Is Sykes–Picot really the source of all the problems in the middle east?

Yes

>Would the region be better/worse if the Western powers had just told the former subjects of the Ottomans they could do whatever they liked and left them alone?

That would have created even more instability and chaos.

They should kept their word with Faisal and supported the Arab nationalists in creating a national secular Arab state (that includes Palestine).

Kinda but most of those borders got nullified almost instantly after they were created cause of conflicts.

But the real problem stem's from the sunni muslim populations not having any centralized leadership like they used to under the Ottomans and their vassals or before that under the Khalipat. I mean, atleast the shiites have Iran and the guys sitting there pulling the strings but sunni's are a bit more decentralized.

Sure, you could argue that it was the Brits fault but the Ottoman empire was already dying and pan-arabism was on the growth.
But the real crime was when they helped the Saudi's gain the power and momentum they needed to remove Hashemite rule from Hejaz. That's when all the Arab nations were forced to answer to their degenracy instead while being forced to accept Wahabi doctrine.

>>2067526
letting people who had been ruled by outside entities for seven centuries rule themselves didnt help

>>2067526

>Hashemite Kingdom including Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Sinai, Hejaz.

>Saudis whining in their sandy corner in Nejd

>Gulf monarchies doing fuck all.

Sounds good to me

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>>2067526
>The head of the Wahhabi state, Abdullah bin Saud, was sent to Constantinople to be executed. Prior to his execution, bin Saud, a Wahhabi who was forbidden to listen to music, was forced to listen to the lute.

better

>>2067554
Erdogan pls go.
>>2067565
>They should kept their word with Faisal and supported the Arab nationalists in creating a national secular Arab state.
Seconded.
>>2068648
TOP KEK

>fuck colonialism we want to be freeee!!
>proceed to act utterly barbaric when freed
>bwaaaaah it was all the fault of the west
Arabs a shit

>>2068889

Your knowledge and understanding of history a shit.

A SHIT.

>>2067526
Balfour Declaration / State of Israel is source of more problems then Sykes-Picot imo. But both are shitty ideas in general and how they were implemented.

Without Israel and with the more secular minded Hashemite Kingdoms ruling middle-east it could had avoided largely rise of radical islam and the terrorism born from that, especially if wahabism would had been kept in check.

However effects of Cold War would had fucked up the Arab states regardless later on.

>>2067565
> They should kept their word with Faisal and supported the Arab nationalists in creating a national secular Arab state (that includes Palestine).
And why do you think it would have been better ? All latter attempts at unifying Arabs failed. Why would everyone accept Faisal ? Because of British support ? On the contrary that would diminish his legitimacy.
And there would still be the problem of the Shiite. You can't just proclaim a secular republic and expect that people stop caring about religion. Even Ataturk failed at that.
So whatever you do, you get a Shiite minority in mesopotamia that is ready to be persecuted, marginalized, discontented. Trying to separate them into their own state would work just as well asthepartition in Palestine grin Ireland.
Who gets Baghdad ?
In short, Sykes and Picot are not to blame, the Arabs are.
And if France and UK had decided to support Faisal then shit would have happened and they would be blamed for it unfairly.

>>2069046
>A SHIT

You talk like a fuckin faggot.

>>2067526
No, the history of the Middle East is incredibly complex and subtle. You can't just can't just point at one thing and assign to it responsibility for 100 years of history. There are tribal conflicts, religious conflicts, ethnic conflicts, resource conflicts, conflicts over types of government, philosophical conflicts, conflicts between foreign powers, conflicts over modernisation, economic conflicts, etc. There are thousands of pieces to a puzzle you've never seen the end goal of. It's impossibly difficult to put it together.

>>2069082
>However effects of Cold War would had fucked up the Arab states regardless later on.
Exactly!