Most people would agree it isn't ethical to torture a rabbit.

>>2062343
Is the simulation of consciousness any less real than actual consciousness?

what if you make a perfect simulation of a woman, down to the quantom level, and fuck it within the simulaton. Are you still a virgin?

>>2062353
yes you are eternally bounded to virginhood.

>>2062360
then you have your answer, OP

>>2062343
It would be just as sinful as it is the result of the same impure urges from the same diseased heart. It is not an act in itself that is sinful, the sin is contained in the fact that it is the physical manifestation of a sinful trait - cruelty.

>>2062353
>what if you make a perfect simulation of a woman, down to the quantom level, and fuck it within the simulaton. Are you still a virgin?

Trick question. A perfect simulation of a woman would never fuck you.

>>2062383
kek you got me there

>>2062343
>down to the quantom level
How would you model quantum mechanics?

>>2062343

It is equally unethical. I don't see how it could possibly be less ethical.

You don't know what ethics are.

>>2062406
Because it's just a simulation. It's not a real rabbit, so it can't actually feel pain.

>>2062439
But you had said it was a perfect copy down to the quantum level, which means that it has the same pain sensors and reaction to pain. Therefore, it feels pain.

>>2062458
Therefore it if it's exactly similar to a rabbit it's a rabbit, then you should treat it like any other rabbit

>>2062458
But it doesn't actually have pain receptors, just simulated ones.

It is definitely wrong to torture a rabbit, simulated or not.

>>2062553
Artificial pain receptors that are completely identical to organic pain receptors are treated the same.

>>2062553
Pain isn't a tangible thing so your pain isn't really real either it's all subjective

>>2062636
>>2062638
Have you ever killed people in rollercoaster tycoon?

>>2062700
Video games aren't anywhere near perfect simulations of anything...

>>2062702
How close to perfect does the simulation need to be to still count, then?

>>2062553

the functionality of an organism is not about the content of the parts e.g. cell walls etc etc. its about the connection between them. if something functions as a pain receptor in the sense that it connects to other parts of a system in the same way our real pain receptors connect to us then it is a pain receptor. a perfect simulation of a human will be conscious and will have pain if the simulation functions in the exact same way, no matter what it is made of. pain receptors can be made of iron screws and 2 by fours if it is still part of a system that can process what we call pain.

>>2062741
So if I install an LED on my roomba that turns on whenever it hits a wall, and call that the
"pain receptor", it's unethical to let my roomba run into walls?

>>2062716
Well the OP said perfect, so absolutely perfect. If it's not perfect, then it is just a system.

>>2062763
So one atom off and its not unethical anymore?

>if you do B to A is it X?
>now if you make A and do B to A is it still X?
Yes?
I don't understand this thread.

>>2062777
BUT IT ISN'T A REAL RABBIT

>>2062775

Yes.

So if we are a simulation to our creator....maybe that's why it seems like he doesn't give a fuck on a small scale sometimes

>>2062383
But what if it's rape?

>>2062785
What makes the real rabbit more real than the simulated rabbit?

daily reminder that rabbits are shit tier animals and pets

I actually don't care about the feelings of rabbits so go ahead have a ball.

>>2062343
The entire western world is unethical and satanic; hopefully the whore of Babylon will soon be destroyed and every of her inhabitants killed.

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>>2062383

>>2062343
It's a fucking animal. Who the fuck cares. PETA faggots can bugger off.

>>2062636
If they're completely identical then it's not a simulation.

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>>2064051
Well look at you in your ivory fucking tower
where are you from then?
some shit hole where people shit in the streets and cannibalize the dead?
some place where capitalistic greed hasn't warped the economy into a pit of sharks and drones where people get promotions not by their merits but their ability to rub shoulders with the right people?
judging by your biblical reference id assume you are either mudslime or Israelite Jew
if you're mudslime then i wouldn't talk of unethical you mutilating pedo shit, your entire region is a shit hole of desert and angry pent up men wearing turbans who can't wait to blow themselves up to please imaginary daddy in the sky
and if you're a Israelite Jew then maybe you should look in the mirror before judging ways of the west, nice job handling the issues with palestinians, sure is nice to throw around that Hitler card to silence all opposition to your atrocities
in short piss off with your high horse and holier than thou bullshit, the whole world is fucked up and sadly you can't blame the west for everything that's wrong with it

>>2064128
He's probably a protestant american.

>>2062775
Two rabbits can and do differ by more than one atom. Changing one atom would not invalidate it being a perfect simulation of "a" rabbit, it would just be a different rabbit than the original emulated individual. But as soon as the simulation was started, the simulated rabbit would become its own individual anyway, so there is no issue.

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>>2062343
If I start up a Game of Life program and then close it, did I cause a mass extinction?

>>2062758
If it feels pain then yes, it is as unethical as letting a blind person run into walls.

>>2062343
>a perfect simulation of a rabbit, down to the quantom level
There's no such thing as a perfectly detailed simulation, that's why they call it a simulation. If you tried to do this you'd just end up with an actual rabbit.

If it's a perfect copy down to the quantum level, how is it any different than a rabbit? You're calling it a simulation but it's not.

So in the end you'd just be torturing a rabbit.

>>2062343
You can't make that level of simulation without prior testing to base it off of.

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>>2062383
BTFO

Imperium is the right of humanity. Stop wasting resources torturing that rabbit.

>>2062343
>Most people would agree it isn't ethical to torture a rabbit.
I don't agree.

I don't give a shit if you torture a fucking dumb animal.