how has this board changed you?

>>2055675
Helped me discover history podcasts that is about it.

Lost my faith in Christianity

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man whenever I see daniel radcliffe I want to cry. so much potential wasted....

It changed me for worse. I know that Communism is bad. Holy Roman Empire wasn't really holy, or roman, or an empire. I know too much things about germany. I know crossbows suck. I know " what did he mean by this " memes. I know " who was he? " memes. And I know I want to kill myself.

>>2055678
Pretty much this
>OP being such a weak willed faggot that he let an irrelevant board whose discourse is equivalent of monkeys throwing shit at each other sway his ideological beliefs

>>2055675
/his/ is alright if you want to be fed bullshit by amateur historians.

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>>2055675
made me "appreciate" art a lot more

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>>2055675
I think so as well.
Me before /his/

I found out how rediculous /pol/ believes when you argue with them from position of a historical facts, methodological truth and actual science.

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>>2055675
Shouldn't this be the other way around? If anything history shows white supremacists are objectively correct.

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>>2055675
About to enter seminary to become a Catholic priest.

>>2055719
history didn't start with colonial age, anon

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>>2055715

>>2055721

My condolences, anon

>>2055731
Europe has been the foremost power in the world for two millennia.

>>2055685
Why Daniel Radcliffe?
Just look in a mirror.

>>2055689
/thread

>>2055737
400 years.

>>2055744
What is the Roman Empire.

>>2055719
how can Turkey not colonized by europe while being to close to Europe.

>>2055746
Europe didn't really exist then. The Mediterranean coast had more in common with Africa and West Asia and Central-North Europe was more like Central Asian.

>>2055737
entities in europe have been a power - rome, a decent empire, greeks - inventors of a lot of modern day concepts, after renaissance - northern europe + russia took over

history doesn't start when jesus was born, anon

you have india, china, egypt, phoenicians, persians

>>2055719
No because white supremacists are utter failure who wants to appropriate other people achievement despite having doing nothing in their life because they share the same skin color.

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>>2055734
I have that one, i also have the rhodok edit

>>2055760
They're not European ethnically and were never completely controlled, the treaty of severes came close but didn't do it completely.
>inb4 hungary and finland
Not originally from Europe either but occupied by Austria and Sweden respectively.

>>2055719
North Korea counts about as much as Ethiopia on the count that it was occupied by the USSR for a time following WW2.

It hasn't changed me, but I've learned some pretty great things. Memey events mostly, like the Russian Baltic Fleet.

It's a nice reminder that I'm not the only one who obsesses over history.

>>2055746
The shadow of imperial China.

>>2055766
That's blatantly false or they'd support Israel.

>>2055764
Europe didn't exist in 100AD?

>>2055772
The USSR was Jewish, not European.

>>2055737
>still eurocentric

You haven't been here long.

>>2055775
>rome was weaker than a highly decentralised kangdom of yellow people
hmm

>>2055780
Europe itself was Jewish from the moment when Rome adopted Judaism 2.0.

>>2055684
this.

>>2055781
I've been here since /pol/ recruited me to raid you fags?

>>2055785
True. But Protestantism revived Paganic traditions and now Germany runs the EU so it's back to normal.

>>2055783
>rome was highly centralized.

Well it has convinced me that even people on what is supposed to be the 2nd or 3rd smartest board aren't capable of discerning basic facts from fiction and fairytales.
It feels an awful lot like Reddit where every neckbeard is an 'expert' at everything.

>>2055813
>everybody except this select group of unspecified people is retarded
>therefore everybody agrees with you because they feel they're all in the smart group
Is this the oldest manipulation tool ever?

>>2055856
This post is incomprehensible

>>2055862
You just aren't smart enough to understand it.

>>2055719
so you haven't learned anything from history I see

>>2055886
WE

WUZ

KANGZ

ND

SHIET

NIGGUH

>>2055760
Turkey stronk

>>2055721
Based. This board got me interested in Catholicism and after a lot of reading and research I am getting baptized on Easter. I no longer adhere to the false religion of protestantism.

>>2055675

Right side looks exactly how I pictured Raskolnikov

>>2055888
Why am I not surprised

you do know you have a safe echo chamber >>>/pol/

>>2055968
So do you.
>>>/r/berniebros

didn't change me at all cause I am not a dunce

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before /his/

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>>2055993
after /his/

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>>2055675
>how has this board changed you?
Hello and welcome to the history of rome

>being influenced by anonymous people on a mongolian papier mache forum

Nah, I read books.

>>2055783
>hurr my race is the best because we have the best achievements
>other people's achievements don't count because they're an inferior race
wew lad

I actually got around to reading the Bible and concluded that it is indeed a ridiculous pile of horse crap.

>>2056008
Who are you quoting?

The Chinese achieved a lot, there's no question, but their achievements were rudimentary. They made paper money and gunpowder, we made banks and machine guns.

>>2056028
> banks and machine guns.
Both are jewish inventions.

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>>2055675

I was moved by the eyes

>>2056035
I don't think Maxim was Jewish.

>>2056023
pro tip : read the qur'an and hadithes for topkeks
>Hadith Number 16245, Volume Title: “The Sayings of the Syrians,” Chapter Title: “Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan”:
He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..”
and
“I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented

>>2056028
>we made banks and machine guns.
>we

>>2056046
Some Hadith are fucking bat shit crazy

I learned that every citizen must fight in the containment war

>>2056046
alllahu akhbar

>>2056056
not only the hadiths are tho
>Surah Al-Baqarah (2) : 72-73
“And (remember) when you killed a man and fell into dispute among yourselves as to the crime. But Allah brought forth that which you were hiding. So We said: “Strike him (the dead man) with a piece of it (the cow).” Thus Allah brings the dead to life and shows you His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) so that you may understand.”

i rly love the fact that most of the batshit hadiths are rated "hasan" or "sahih" (the 2 highest possible tiers of "how real are the events told in them")

Lost my faith in Christianity, made me a little more Left-leaning on some issues (although not entirely, so hold your horses, you reactionary cucks).

>>2056088
>Lost my faith in Christianity
i doubt this happened after you came to his
atheist-religion debates have literally been going on the internet for as long as it's been up

also
>he isn't a christian atheist yet

>>2056070
The Qur'an is more subdued though. The Hadith just has weird/disgusting/vile shit in it


It was said to Anas “What did you hear the Prophet saying about garlic?” Anas replied, “Whoever has eaten (garlic) should not approach our mosque.”

Kek

>>2056134
My nigga

I have highly considering this. I can't reconcile the absence of God that I've observed with my want to remain a Christian.

>>2055678
what's the name of the podcast?

>>2055787
>from /pol/
>thinks italians are white
degeneracy.

>>2056169
probably History of rome

It introduced me to great youtube history channels such as Lindybeige, John Green, Extra History, Real Crusades History, History Buffs etc.

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>>2056134
I feel insulted. I've tried pretty hard to not use conventional internet arguments against christianity on /his/ by taking a more historical approach and to make up my own arguments when I can. Not exactly unheard of before but it's different from what is usually in these types of threads online.

>>2056160
it's not that crazy an idea, here's a story

i'm an atheist, but i've realized religious behavior might be hard wired in there - even the freaking neanderthals buried their dead
some contemporary animals "react" to death - elephants for example, people even suggest elephants have exhibited ritual behavior, covering the dead with leaves and branches and such

it's just somehow correlated to having big brains, so to deal with knowing you'll die our brains engage in thinking about the metaphysical, creating illusions as a way of coping

also an argument for the "existence" of a god is that it's just data, as long as the data exists imprinted in your head and in a synapse pattern - it exits (i know by this definition anime girls are real)

just don't say to people you are an atheist christian, because it kind of sounds ridiculous to unprepared ears i imagine

it made me a communist

/his/ didn't really change my perception at all

closest it ever did was give me some hope it won't go full /pol/ (and that hope is waning)

>>2056169
Personal favorites
Lesser Bonapartes (pre Ivan)(not serious but funny)
British History Podcast
History of China Podcast
Revolutions
The Fall of Rome Podcast (This one is so good)
History of Byzantium
History of Rome
Hardcore History
>>2056199
Found that before and honestly it is a good introductory level history but looking back on it the lack of focus beyond emporers made the last half of it less interesting.

>>2055888
>>2055894
>>2055898
>>2055902
>>2055904
>>2055907

nice

this place is pretty naive compared to some history books ive read

>>2056324
>the last half of it less interesting
yeah but for just listening to it on the side while studying the first half is based imo
not to mention dem sweet sweet guitar sounds

>>2056340

wow that's surprising

>>2056324
you gave me more information about history than all of /his/ so far

>>2055675
It showed me that pseduointellectuals have the same root biases as idiot normies, they just think themselves superior because the shitpost over roman emperors instead of tv celebs.

>>2056340
well duh

>>2055675
Some people here are emotionally charged to the point of lunacy, especially when it comes to Hitler, communism or religion of any kind.

I learned that & Humanities was a mistake

>>2055675
I don't have any respect towards humanities and historics anymore.

Even high crowned work in this fields is just bad work.

>>2056324
The Rex Factor is a great podcast if anyone is interested in British royalty.

>>2056381
>Some people here are emotionally charged to the point of lunacy, especially when it comes to Hitler, communism or religion of any kind.
>implying such lunacy only exist on /his/

everyone is like that

>>2056000

>Tu es magnum homo

heh

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>>2056384
but then we wouldn't be able to talk about Stirner-chan's feet

>go on /tg/
>learn to love humanity

>go on /his/
>learn to hate humanity

I hope Trump starts WWIII

>>2056348
Yeah there was sweet spot in the mid to late Republic where it was a legitimately great podcast

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>>2056392
I know, but /his/ was supposed to be a place "above" this kind of shit. I remember posting a thread about Hitler's Slavic allies during WW2 hoping it would spark a good debate and half the replies I got were ad hominems and the other half were sending me to /pol/.

>>2056433
So... How it wasn't a great debate?

>>2056433
>implying that was possible in the first place

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>>2056425
>mfw all of Marius

>>2055675
I grew my hair long, started listening to Nine Inch Nails, and wearing combat boots & glasses.

I learned that white people really are as violent and homicidal as the leftists say they were.

every post that tries to discredit that accusation are always accompanied with comments about trying to kill all non-whites

>>2056444
Maybe I had higher hopes for this place.

>>2056414
There will be no WW3 under Trump

Trump's reign will be more that of a CEO than a Head of State. No offensive wars will be fought by him. His term(s) will be full of negotiations to ensure his company (The United States) becomes profitable.

Just look at what he'd doing now. He's meeting with foreign policy experts like Kissinger who are telling him to detente Russia and China, he's sending Pence to most of his security meetings, and he's spending all day on the phone cutting deals with companies to invest in the United States

The only danger is a rogue state department or intelligence agency

>>2056433
>he hates fun
Fucking leave then, you stupid asshole.

>>2056214
As a Christfag, there are few things I appreciate more than an atheist that doesn't use typical atheist talking points in debate, and rather gives perspective and context.
I unironically like having people like you around.

>>2056457
Anyone who has delusions of Europeans not consistently being terrible people is an idiot.

>>2056457
>shitposting = violence
I learned that dumbass leftists think words are equal to actions, not just on 4chan but in general.

>>2056324
>China
>History of Byzantium
got a download link ?
possibly with the 4sale episodes of the latter one ?

Hate the enlightenment
No longer libertarian
Nations are built on people with shared histories, not ideas
Assad was right
A responsible and regulated monarchy is probably better than even the bests democratic republic
Made me hate Marx even more while simultaneously realizing he was probably right about capitalism
Doing what you want to do is probably irresponsible most of the time
Capitalism is not as flawless as I thought it was, but still don't see a suitable replacement
Morality matters

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I think /his/ indirectly has helped me resolve my conflicted radical leftist and right-wing positions via rekindling my interest in the teachings of Nietzsche.

Now I realize that capitalism fucking sucks AND Europeans are the only people on Earth worth a damn.

>>2055737
Is this a fucking joke? Even fucking Rome gained most of its wealth and power through the control of Anatolia, Egypt, and the Antioch region

>>2056457
Another dishonest "ironic" pol poster.
>>2056484
>>2056491
You know what he was doing you shits.

I guess when your arguments blow, you resort to ironic shilling.

That shit only flies on 8gag and pol.

>>2055776
They exclude Jews from whiteness due to historic circumstance

>>2056484
To be fair, MOST people are terrible people regardless of culture.

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It made me hate France even more.

>>2055719
LMAO Turkey was controlled by Greeks for literally a thousand years wtf is this?

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>>2055675
I realized that people will believe what they wanna believe no matter the facts or circumstances and there's no way you can convince them otherwise.

>>2056203
>John Green

Made me hate humanities posters and philosophy/economics in general.

This board is also full of wehrboos and romeboos.

>>2056661
the poster above you is a fucking retard i swear

>>2056531
This guy gets it.
>>2056433
/his/ is full of idiots who wade in the kiddie pool depths of history, happy to regurgitate whatever grade school lesson they had learned.

>>2056661
This. It really underscored to me how people pick their ideals based on sentiment rather than reason, and that they're all fundamentally baseless.

>>2056719
pol is much smarter than his, i mean in terms of the user base on average

>>2056613
I'm sorry, is Israel in Europe?
Is Hebrew a latin, germanic, or greek based language?
Can you name a time when the jewish nation went to war with another nation in Europe?
Can you list a line of European jewish rulers?

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>>2056789
> pol is much smarter than his
Pol is much stupider than average 4chan board anon

>>2056804
You're just making my point by posting this.

>>2056719
>/his/ is full of idiots who wade in the kiddie pool depths of history, happy to regurgitate whatever grade school lesson they had learned.

Allow me to translate: they don't buy my right-wing conspiracy theories.

>>2056789
>pol is much smarter than his

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>2055675
Nope.

Why would it?

>>2055675
/his/ made me clerical fascist
>>2056384
this

>>2056804
That's a meme.

Pol shits over all boards including lit and sci when arguing against them.

They really are that bright.

>>2056841
>Pol shits over all boards including lit and sci when arguing against them.

Link spamming is not the same as winning an argument.

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>>2055737
>implying

>>2056847
not an argument

>>2055675
It got me interested in christianity.
It made me appreciate the gift and act of faith.
I began passionately hating classical liberalism and its successor ideologies.

Disputable how much of it is from /his/, though.

>>2056860
Welcome to the reactionary trip m8

>>2056847
>spamming
It is though.

They've driven a chunk of the users of this board away, /pol/ themed threads increase in count every day - pol is unstoppable, they are simply on point and repeat the same threads until the opposition gets tired and leaves or converts, based on successful argumentation.

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>>2055787

>>2056857
That's not the same as winning an argument either. The typical argumentation tactic of /pol/ is to spam dozens of links to infowars style websites that "prove" their position, forcing their opponent into a position where they either spend the time to read and refute every one of these links (effectively conceding the argument by default due to the time constraints of 4chan threads) or to refuse to do so, and thus conceding the argument. It's basically the argumentation of that old quote about playing chess with a pigeon, in which it just knocks over the pieces, shits on the board, and struts about as though it won.

>>2056867
> successful argumentation
They always countered to the point that it is boring to watch happening again and again.

>>2056867
The only, ONLY thing /pol/ killed, was /b/. It turned /b/ into a porn board, that is simply all it did. The people whom you "drove away" were the oldfags, the original /b/tards.

Good shit, you are literally the board that ruined, and casualised this website. It's not even a joke. This place got famous because of /b/, and /pol/ ruined it.

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>>2055675
I learned how annoying /pol/ really is and how triggered Christians can make each other.

>>2056867
We haven't been seeing an increase in /pol/ style threads since the beginning. Countless such threads were deleted in the first days of this board, and even after that we'd see near continual "why didn't Africa develop civilization" or "did the holocaust really happen" threads. If anything, /pol/ threads grow less frequent here.

Also it can be considered a successful tactic in so far as it gets the opposition to leave, but it's absolutely terrible dialectic.

>>2056876
Reminder communism killed more people than any other political ideology and the jews were at the head of the Bolshevik, South African, German, and Hungarian revolutions.

>>2056888
>/b/
>famous
maybe in 2008

>>2056897
Red Herrings are another common tactic.

>>2055767
Fuck you nigga Rhodok Sharpshooters will drop your Swadian ass hard.

>>2056902
You mean "canards" you illiterate leftist

>>2056897
> Mao
> was Jew
It isn't fault of choosen people that lesser races literally are too retarded to understand ideology of peace and love properly and just end up with killing billions of their own people.

>>2056907
No, I meant what I said, and I'm pretty much a centrist at this point, finding both sides of the political spectrum to be fucking insufferable. Philosophy has left me as apolitical as I can get I think.

>>2056529
>Hate the enlightenment
I understand the sentiment, but you should read more about it because its aims were noble imo and there good ideas to come out of it.

>>2056907
Nice try, polack. But there is no such word as "canards". That spells "canadian".

>>2056912
> centrist
You should pick a side like all smart people done.

>>2056925
You should learn to question yourself more.

>>2056912
It's not about sides. It's not about left, right and center - that's still a shit classification.

It's about making up your mind individually, issue by issue.

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>>2056912
>I'm pretty much a centrist at this point, finding both sides of the political spectrum to be fucking insufferable. Philosophy has left me as apolitical as I can get I think.

>>2056935
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1481084079787.webm
Makes even niggers apolitical...

>>2056661

This. Tankies and stormfags are the fucking worst on this board

>>2056932
>It's about making up your mind individually, issue by issue.

I still think the basic classification of left/right set about during the French revolution holds. The left is the side of progress and revolution, focused on making society less hierarchical and more foreward thinking, the right the opposite. I feel no particular draw to either side at this point; I'm concerned about preserving my own autonomy and little else.

>>2056935
Well, I've been shown. My statement could be put in greentext and associated with an unfashionable man in an outdated hat. How ever will I recover?

>>2056841

Posting debunked pseudo science, and resorting to memes while calling your proof Jewish or biased isn't winning an arguement. It just shows how narrow minded and poorly read they are

>>2056945
You can't. That is why /pol/ will always defeat the cucks like you and their so called logic.

>>2056899
Yes?

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>>2056953
>cuckbot

>>2056950
t. Schlomo Shekelberg

>>2056867

No because whenever /pol/ tries to bring up race realism, holocaust denial and thinking Africans had no civilisation they get BTFO in every thread.

I wouldn't call spamming the same bullshit over and over again """"winning"""

>>2056942
That was a really interesting watch. Thanks for sharing that.

>>2056907

>/pol/
>calling others illiterate

HA

>>2056970
"Repeat a lie often enough, and it will become the truth." - Joseph Goebbels

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>>2055675
I learned about The Great War channel. It's damn good.

Can't say I didn't see the state of thread not coming

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>>2056967

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>>2056970
>No because whenever /pol/ tries to bring up race realism, holocaust denial and thinking Africans had no civilisation they get BTFO in every thread.
>This is what leftypol really believes

>>2055675
Left: masculine man
Right: effete cuck

So /his/ turned you into a bitch?

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>>2056988
> /pol/ tried to deny single most well documented event in human history
> WHY THEY DIDN"T BELIEVE THAT WE AREN'T BTFO BY EVERYONE?!?!?!?!
Must be a Jewish plot or something, kek.

>>2056914
I have read quite a bit about it, and used to worship Voltaire. And sure, the intentions were good, but I believe many if not most of the societal problems the West faces today can be traced back to the enlightenment, notably the idea that civilization and culture can be, for the lack of a better term, manufactured.

>>2056988
his isn't leftypol
leftypol is mlp tier autism

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>>2055675
quite similarly to your pic

>>2056912
>Both sides
Politics aren't linear, mate.
There is no real 'left' or 'right'

>>2057011
> manufactured
Well they certainly doesn't come from God or just happen without any agency by some luck.

>>2056914
>you should read more about it because its aims were noble imo and there good ideas to come out of it.
No, no, you got the wrong picture. I don't hate the enlightenment, with its secularism and destruction of the obsolete concept of nobility, with its concept citizenship and its mass education. I hate classical liberalism and the abominations it birthed with its false and harmful notions of individualism and liberty without duty, its false idea of social contract, its insistence on viewing the individual as separate from state and society, its insistence on the antagonistic relation of the individual and state that "devours freedom" (instead of necessary and symbiotic). I also very much dislike the war on spirituality that its successor ideologies waged/are waging. And no, I don't believe in the golden age meme. I just hate liberalism.

>>2056524
Nah if their is one group of people I don't fuck over its Podcaster they barely make any money.

>>2056445
He just kinda became a senile old man.

>>2057017
> real reality was never tried! XD

>>2057027
Whoops, I'm not that anon, I replied to the wrong post. Sorry.

>>2057028
fair enough, any compilation of the free episodes tho ? cuz downloading them bit-by-bit is painful as fuck

>>2057027
> war on spirituality
What does it even means?

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>>2055737
hahahahahahahaahhahaahah
good chuckle duster there mate
top kek

>>2056866
I'm not a reactionary, though. I'm this
>>2057027
>>2057034 anon.

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>>2055719
>Japan
>Never colonised by Europe

Same goes for Korea. Russia and the US basically occupied the north and south respectively during the Korea War. Git gud on ur history mu nigguh

And Liberia, fucking LOL. That country was fucking created by Europeans! (Americans, yes, but white, ethnically European Americans).

>>2057059
Technically Liberia was created and governed by blacks - they were only given land by the US.

>>2057011
Well, it's a consensus on /his/ and /lit/ that Voltaire is a hugely overrated meme. I mean I haven't read up as much as I can on the enlightenment myself, so I can't tell you the best thinkers, but I admire the rigor and exhaustiveness that the best philosophes were known for.

>notably the idea that civilization and culture can be, for the lack of a better term, manufactured.
I agree that 'social engineering' or trying to make human society rational (whatever that means) has had disastrous consequences. There has also been a lot of good from it as well, and ultimately it comes down to whether ideas shape history or vice versa. Enlightenment ideas are possibly overrated in explaining historical developments.

>>2057020
No, of course not. I believe laws and government should be based on the collective values and practices each culture already has and has defined for themselves. I don't believe traditional values that have been practice for generations should be so easily replaced by something new that works in theory. 'Progress' should come naturally through a nation's people adapting to shared trails, and not forcefully implemented because 'it probably works better.'

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>>2055684
>tfw realizing God is an innately evil being
Fug

>>2057078
we have a problem, here's the old solution and here's a proven better solution, but it's new

do you change your ways

>>2057036
Useful myths necessary for the healthy functioning of society were dropped and walked on. Instances would be the sanctity of the human person (which must always be a subject instead of an object), the value of the family, the value of the state/society (the myth of the fatherland) etc.

>>2056804
>/lit/ is le smart meme
We all know that /tv/ is the true intellectual powerhouse of 4chan.

>>2057096
Myths can't play their role if it becomes transparent how wrong they are.

>>2057067
The entire idea of the country was conceived by white Americans who wanted to ship the niggers out. You can't possibly deny that Liberia was a white American creation.

>>2057106
agreed, i love tv, and i havent seen a movie in i cant remember how many years

>>2057091
If the new solution is proven, and fits in with the culture, then there I see no problem. However the 'new' solution isn't often practically proven and only exists as a theory. I find it very short sighted to abandon what is known to work.

>do you change your ways
Are you addressing me as an individual or was the rhetorical?

>>2055793
There are more Catholics in Germany than Protestants.

>>2057142
I find it very shortsighted to abandon what is known to work in favor of something that only exists in theory.*

>>2057123
>Myths can't play their role if it becomes transparent how wrong they are.
No truth value can be ascribed to these claims. They are just ways of viewing the world. They are neither correct nor false and for that reason it can never be shown "how transparently wrong they are". They can only be affirmed or negated. And due to their importance to the healthy functioning of the state/society, I hate liberalism for having negated them. It is a horribly irresponsible act.

>>2055793
>Protestantism revived Paganic traditions
It's literally the other way around. Protestantism was created to purge unbliblical pagan shit from Catholicism.

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>>2055684
>>2055786
>>2057087
Why did you lose your faith in Christianity from history? I find it pretty hard to believe that any of you were Christians before coming here (no one would come to /his/ as their first board, so you must have been on /b/ or /v/ or whatever as your first board, so you're obviously edgy fuckers who dropped any notion of Christianity long ago), so I assume you're being facetious.

For me, my appreciation of history that I've started to develop in my mid twenties has persuaded me more that perhaps I should become a Christian.

Well, specifically, talking to my grandma about the good old days, morality, and the lack of degeneracy is what has convinced me that Christianity is a very good thing (even if I can't quite bring myself to actually believe in the physical existence of a supernatural God), but not only that - also the fact that such reflections caused me to realise that Christianity is absolutely integral to, and completely inseparable from, the building of the Western world.

Without Christianity, none of us would exist. This website wouldn't exist. The set of ideas contained within Christianity is what brought Europe out of the Dark Ages and caused us to once again (after the classical era) become the most advanced civilisation on the face of the planet.

>>2057145
THe important thong is not the number but that catholics live in the importants and rich part of Germany.

>>2057164
>The set of ideas contained within Christianity is what brought Europe out of the Dark Ages and caused us to once again (after the classical era) become the most advanced civilisation on the face of the planet.

Aaaaaaah, this is themost elaborate bait I've read in a while.

Literally jerks you off slowly in the beginning until it slips a finger up your but hole and masterfully starts massaging your prostate until you CUM reading the last line.

>>2057163
Are you a protestant?
Do you celebrate Chrismas?

>>2056897
Reminder that the Kulaks deserved it.

>>2057186
Do you mean to imply that if a Christian holiday adopts the aesthetic and date of a pagan celebration, then it becomes pagan?

>>2057186
Yes
No

>>2057069
When has social engineering led to disastrous consequences?

>>2057190
t. British nigger from /leftypol/

>>2057172
That was my point. The other anon was labeling Germany a protestant nation when the Catholics have more influence, even though its quite clearly a secular state anyways.

>>2057201
whne i tried to hack your mom's fb to find out if she was cheating on me w your dad

>>2057202
Actually American of steppenigger descent but nice guess.

>>2057181
Come on you fucking nonce, try and create an argument instead of being a clueless smug cunt about it

>>2057136
The only worthwhile part of /tv/ are the Trek threads.

>>2057162
It wasn't the iberalism that negated the myths. No ideology have that much power. It was the history, the experience of people, the shanges in all kinds of supporting institutes, that weaked many myths to where they are today. It's hard to value state, if you know that billions died for centimeters of land because people who ruled a state where retarded, but ambitious enough to end in such situation. Its only one example but generally it isn't possible to some random liberal just drop the myth, without a evidence to deny it, exist in the society the whole. Liberalism is nothing new and was always present in one form, or another. The changes in conditions allow myths to be crashed without a real difficulty.

>>2057197
You are doing it wrong

>>2057198
good boy

>>2057203
You are also wrong here. Relgious lesson in school are a must for every catholic in Germany. Only your parents (and yourself after your 18th birthday) can free you from this.
A priest himself gave me lessons and the first communion and confirmation are both integrated into the stateschools just as atempting the church on special days.

At least in Bavaria it is only secular on the paper.

Also: No the political influence is almost entirely in the hands of Protestants already since a modern German State was formed.

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>>2057208
>steppenigger
Talk about "they deserved it" people.

>>2057162
>myths have no truth values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>2057228
God wants a 'right' way for us to say 'thanks for being born'?

What would that look like anyway?

>>2057241
Chrismas is directly overtaken from the Roman Paganism. The date of christ wasn't even known but was made up to corelate with the highest celebration of the Romans.

+

Where is it written in the bible to celebrate jesus birth?

>>2056467
He's aggressing against China right now you Mongoloid

>>2057265
he isn't even president right now you mongoloid.

>>2057255
>Where is it written in the Bible to celebrate Jesus's birth?

Touché, but at the same time, why would it be wrong to either? Is it idolatry? If so then why?

>>2057265
>talking to other countries = aggression
If Chinks consider this to be aggression then maybe they actually deserve to get their shit slapped.

>>2056614
This

Even le friendly Buddhists wage war and cause genocides like the rest of us

>>2057274
It is the Pagan influence you asumed the Protestants try to clean Catholicism from.

In reality Christianity itself and the bible directly borrow stories from Pagan Religions and implemt them.

The whole Jesus Story is nearly a 1:1 copy of the Horus story from Egypt.

Hell and Heaven dualism comes from Zoroastrism.

The Genesis is propanly highly influenced or stolen from Sumerian writings.

Those stuff was the common legends and believes in this Area. It commulated and was gathered in the bible roughly 300 years after Christianity was already around.

The only special part of Christianity is the salvation that now became achievable for everyone through jesus's death on the cross.

>>2055675
Made me more right wing and racist. Also made me hate communists and Christians. I realized how sick and weak liberalism is.

>>2057314
Abdulah please.
Go back to Iraq.

>>2057314
>when you overdose on spooks

It actually made me lose almost all my interest in history, no irony involved.

>>2057201
had the nazis and soviets in mind

>>2057295
Ok, so Christianity is pagan, gotcha

>>2057376
It is what you see it it to be.
Pagan is a buzzword anyway.

>>2057362
also modernization theories applied by developing nations

>>2055737
>two millennia
You must be baiting, and/or retarded

>>2055675
That you can't have serious historical discussions on 4chan.

That black people ruled Egypt

That the ottomans are the successors to Rome

>>2055737
>europe
>existing for even over one millenia
This isn't even addressing the fact that until colonialism, the concept of globally dominating powers wasn't a thing.

>>2057222
>It wasn't the iberalism that negated the myths. No ideology have that much power.
I said "having negated them" in the sense that it chooses to view them as 'false', not in the sense that it is to blame for their ending. However, liberalism being as hegemonically dominant as it is today, each successive generation accepts those myths as false and accepts the liberal perspective as default (And no, I am not talking about muh niggers or muh immigrants or muh sjws, I am talking about important things, such as its way of viewing the individual-state or individual-individual relations, which is pretty much taken for granted). And of your point that historic events are responsible for trends... Well, no shit. However, I have a slight problem with your analysis if what is presumably ww1. Italy and Germany got even more nationalistic after the war, and many fascist were veterans, often arditi (including Mussolini himself). Soviets developed a 'national' identity in the Great Patriotic War (ww2). And as for liberalism having existed since always, that is false simply because there was no way for it to exist before the concepts of state, citizen, human rights and natural law. But sure, movements that negated the value of whatever have existed pretty much since always.

>>2057237
Can you prove/disprove a value claim?

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>>2055675
I learned to love Mussolini and hate /pol/. I always hated Hitler, but now I really, really hate Hitler.

>>2055675
Brought me further to the left

>>2055675
Made me realize pr*ddies are literally worse than Muslims.

>>2056004
tip

>>2057425
"Black people", or rather Nubians had a short lived 100 year dynasty.
And they were not West Africans.
Ottomans emigrated from the opposite direction from Rome, westward. They share absolutely nothing with Rome apart from conquered territory, if anything their rejection of Greek culture and de-Christianization of Anatolia made them antithetical to Rome.

>>2057519
This /leftypol/ attempt at division is stupid.
Anyways, Hitler was an ideological purist compared to Mussolini and had the bruises to prove it.

>>2056990
>Left: homosexual
>Right: greenpilled

FTFY

>>2056635
nah there was huge anglo meddling

>>2056000
Finally, some quality /his/ content.

>>2055675
It reinforced by belief that people studying STEM disciplines are smarter than people studying something like history. Seriously, /his/ is one of the dumbest boards on this website and this is quite the achievement.

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>>2055707

>professional historians

Or, as we call them outside of Oxford, virgins

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>>2055777
Mediterranean civilizations had little in common with northern disparate tribes

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>>2057648
>"purist"
>took fascism from the Italians and blended it with the conservative revolutionary ethos

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>>2057164
cuck-a-doodle-doo

>>2055737
Yeah, they were such a great power during the Caliphate times

>>2055793
Read about the Reformation guy

>>2056366
At least the topics are more meaningful. What Caligula did was probably more important than what Miley Cyrus has done.

I realized the German race is a cursed people that must be wiped out for the sake of world peace.

I lost my faith in atheism

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>>2058697

>Romans make empire
>Germans help destroy it
>Italians needs more time to get ready for WW2
>Germans rush headlong into it

it keeps happening

>>2056680
Don't forget the Ouiboos and Eternal Anglo shitposters

>>2056625
This so much but I always disliked them

>>2056053
This is the thing that really exposes the /pol/ spew; anons that blindly take ownership of accomplishments from history that have about as much to do with them as TV weathermen have to do with predicting the weather

I guess it's better than accepting that they haven't personally accomplished a single meaningful thing in their entire lives

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>>2056625
What did he mean by this?

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Before /his/ I supported the idea of a History board on this site

>>2056950
whats up with the JIDF infestation lately. get out of here kike, 4chan is whites only.

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>>2057648
>hate hitler but love mussolini

mussolini is the only reason hitler lost the war. him and his spaghetti niggers dragging him into bullshit in north africa and greece because he isn't competent enough to do antyhing on his own.

>>2055737
1/10 made me kek

>>2057164
>the good old days, morality, and the lack of degeneracy
> First biblical generation already lost to envy, greed and murder
Do you even read the scriptures you're tempted to follow?
Nothing annoys me like stupid generational longing

>>2057164
> Christianity brought us out of dark ages
Holy shit anon, tell us you're just baiting.

>>2055675
That policy is only determined by power, not emotions.

>>2058940
Yeah he's baiting, how can Christianity brought us out of something that never happened?

>>2058831
for all of its /pol/, I still appreciate a /his/ board

now if only we removed & humanities and created a separate religion board (oh and a manga board)

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>>2058902
Look pa, I caught one!

Based on your poor spelling, I take it you're a burger i.e. you're a fucking mutt that has nothing to be "proud" of except the cum-soaked mattress your mentally retarded parents conceived you on

>>2055939
As someone who is new, whats wrong with Protestantism

>>2058902
>accuse anon of projecting
>proceed to write a fictional biography of that anon

>>2058988
Not aesthetic enough for LARPers.

>>2058988
You have to LARP retarded things like YEC

I don't think it really changed me, just reinforced some things I had learned earlier.
People will blame everything on /pol/.
/pol/ vs anti-/pol/ ruins threads.
It is impossible to have an actual discussion on the holocaust.
Extremists call you an opposing extremist if you don't agree with them.
Idiots are unable to drop conversations and are obsessed with getting the last word.

I did learn some interesting tidbits historically, but its easier to remember frustrations than happy moments.

>>2056804
>/vg/ that high
I highly doubt it.

>>2057164
your grandma is not a reputable source
source: my mom has told me the exact opposite of what was actually going on in various well-known historical events because she didn't actually know what the fuck was going on or she forgot because no one except autists like us actually care

>>2059069
>your grandma is not a reputable source
You don't know her you son of a bitch

>>2058902
It's natural to shit in the nearest river, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

>>2059083
You're not a reputable source either-- and neither am I. You need to look at a wide swath of people who experienced an event firsthand before you can definitively state something as historical fact.

>>2058902

>Human Accomplishment

>Rendered as an objective percentile

I don't even disagree that Europe as the birthplace of Socrates and the source of the Enlightenment and Rationalism objectively makes Western Civilization the best, but come now this is retarded.

We really need to get rid of the &Humanities from this place, the minute you permit the social 'sciences' to take root the /pol/ cancer begins.

>>2056804
>prequest segregation /tg/ that low
I absolutely believe it

>>2055712
need sauce please

>>2058988
Your post was (((PREDESTINED)))

>>2056804
>/int/ that high

either this was made during the nazi mod days of /int/ or they are just pretending to be retarded.

>>2055939
So now you will adhere to the false religion of catholicism...

convinced me once and for all that 4chan is not worth my time, thus making me feel even guiltier for using the website

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>>2058725
The only thing the Italians needed more time with is trying to annex a backwater African shithole after getting thoroughly thrashed the first time.

>>2055719
The whole colonized or controlled by Europe category is confusing. Ethiopia was occupied not colonized.

>>2059030
if a person uses memes, name-calling, and one-word arguments just tune them out and only respond with those that have actual arguments. You could respond once to show contempt, but even if they respond just ignore them from there on (and probably report them).

do what you can to cite any history you are talking about, avoid fallacy if you can, and avoid memes especially ones that you know come from /pol/.

Do your part and /pol/ vs. anti-/pol/ will be reduced before you know it.

>>2059183
The graph is a complete fabrication, you fucking mong.

>>2055675
I started hating protestants.

>>2058949
>now if only we removed & humanities
this

we need a separate Philosophy & Religion board. It would solve a lot of the problems with /his/ and /lit/ simultaneously - by draining away all the pretentious, pseudo-intellectual cunts.

>>2059372
>implying that the history themed threads on /his/ don't just boil down to the flipperbaby of /int/ and /pol/ with dates

>>2059373
Wait, which threads have you been reading that actually have dates?

>>2059378
Good point.

>>2059373
then you should be doubly glad to get your own board, and enjoy your irrelevance in peace.

There's a reason why /pol/ and /int/ have many, many times the user base of /lit/ or /his/. It's because they're the future.

>>2059387
It's because one requires no interest in anything to take part in its discussions and because the other attracts people on the early portion of the Dunning-Kruger effect like flies to honey.

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>>2059387
>the future is authoritarian nationalist idiots
Yeah, who knew.

>>2055675
Nothing I've read here could change my basic conservative-traditionalist-reactionary-racist-sexist-homophobic beliefs.
Also I think official history is lying about the Holocaust to some point.
I also like Jared Diamond and /his/ couldn't convince me otherwise.

>>2057164
>muh degeneracy and good old values
I really don't understand Christfags. There is nothing within the good old traditional values you believe in that is inherently Christian or inseparable from Christianity. Every human society ever was based on the same basic rules. Don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, don't fornicate, it's not that hard to grasp. You don't need Christ to live your life with morals and traditional values. Noone stops you believing in what you think is right and leading your life according to those beliefs, you can do all of the good things Cristians do regardless of believing in an imaginery sky fairy.
If anything, Christianity -- even if it's the least harmful of the trilogy -- is a desert sandmonkey cult based on slave morality that is designed to oppress people.
I believe in everything you believe without the sky fairy part. I don't need a supreme authority to tell me what is right and what is wrong, I have the brains, common sense and logic to decide it myself.

>>2057293
war against Islam doesn't count

>>2055737
>what is abbassid caliphate

Honestly, not much. Learned some cool things.
I like France a little more but that's about it.

>>2055993
>>2055998
this is correct

the winners of history are always the ones who dont fear to shed blood.

>>2055737
Europe was always important from the Greeks onwards but if you believe it was always number 1 you're fucking retarded

>>2059463
> I have the brains, common sense and logic to decide it myself.

You have the brains, common sense, and logic to be a selfish, brutish ape. That's what you are without civilization which was built by Christianity.

Throw a human in the jungle as a baby with no contact with Christian civilization and watch what he becomes.

Fucks sake I am sick of the "rational man" "age of reason" "enlightenment" myth. We don't live in the age of reason, we live in the material-psychological age. We know what man is, and it isn't pretty.