What can /his/ tell me about the Bogomils?

>>2052628
Gnostic heretics

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The Bogomils are of much interest for me.

It is believed the Bogomils were offshoots of the Paulicians, after these were relocated to the European parts of the Byzantine Empire following the Byzantine-Paulician wars, in an attempt to strengthen the borders with the Bulgarians.

We actually don't know whether the Bogomils were an actual heretical group, or whether they were truly as prevalent/radical as the sources present: with the research being done, it is a possibility that the 'myth' of the Bogomil heretics was born due to the refusal of the Bosnian (Catholic) Church to accept a Hungarian bishop and temporal authority, as decreed by the Pope. This Bosnian Church would have been orthodox in its practices - essentially Catholic -, but its refusal to fall in line with Papal mandates meant it was marked as being "heretical".

But that's just one hypotheses: it is likely there WAS a Gnostic-inspired sect in Bosnia, along with the orthodox (Catholic) Bosnian Church, but that their radicalism and number of adherents was exaggerated.

Also, it is very likely the Bogomils influenced what would become the Cathars.

Hoped that helped.

>>2053107
Cathars were definitely Gnostics

>>2052628
The English word bugger, the French word bougre and the Czech word buzerant are all ultimately derived from the word "Bulgar" because it was believed the Bulgarian Bogomils fucked each other up the ass.

>>2052628
gnostikoi as fuck

>>2053133
Bogomils and Paulicians were Gnostic heretics, the proto-Protestants were the Waldensians, Lollards, Hussites and the followers of Savonarola

>>2053118
I agree. Though, sadly, we probably will never know what exactly the Bogomils and Cathars - as well as a number of other "heretical" groups - believed in, due to the near-complete destruction of their books by the Church. We do have some - I believe we even have a large part of the Cathari 'Consolamentum' ritual.

As for the Bogomils, they are more obscure. One of the texts they were reputed to use was "The Fable of the Cross Tree", by a 'Pop Jeremya'. I think it's lost to us. I also seem to remember a codex or something was found in Russia (Novgorod?) that seemed to belong to a possibly heretical group directly influenced/related to or by the Bogomils.

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>>2053145
>the proto-Protestants were the Waldensians

I think that statement is a bit off, since I thought that the Waldensians only aligned themselves with the Reformation due to the heavy persecution they faced, and by such alignment, they gradually incorporated clearly Protestant beliefs, whereas previously, they had called less for theological shifts and more for the halting of the Church's obvious corruption and excesses.

>>2053165
The Waldensians survived centuries of extreme persecution, they wouldn't be willing to give up what they felt was the gospel for an easier time. If they didn't want to be persecuted, they could have simply renounced their faith and become Catholics. The reformers also drew parallels between themselves and the Waldensians because of contact with Waldensian pastors, who they found believed the same gospel they were preaching.

>>2053173
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulicianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomilism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

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>>2053173
I'm not a Christfag, but it is very likely the Cathars and the Bogomils really were Gnostics, or, more appropriately, heavily inspired by Gnostic ideas. Like I said, we have a few surviving Cathar sources, such as their Consolamentum, which uses terminology that anyone familiar with Gnosticism would recognize.

>>2053193
Those articles have citations, brother.

>>2053202
There are several, but if this is some kind of Landmarkism it goes right to the trash.

Cathar internal structure (the "perfect" and the "believers") was identical to manicheism, a gnostic religion,
But no typical gnostic themes (Sophia, archons, demiurge) as far as we know

>>2053210
>Died for what they believed in.
So did many Arians, Muslims, Catholics etc. Martyrdom does not prove truth.

>>2053210
If the Catholics were lying about them being Gnostics why didn't they lie about the Waldensians and Lollards too?

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>>2053210
>they were true Christians

What, Ebionites?

The phrase 'true Christians' is extremely problematic, since the christian religion has not been 'true' to its origins since the influence of Paul of Tarsus, who was a Hellene who - in greatest likelihood - lied about his Jewish-Pharisee past.

>>2053224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRI8nLuwn-A
Nice try, heretic

>>2053232
Go away, Christfag. I could tell you were some Protestant idiot from your posts.

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>>2053244

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>>2053248
>le ebin hat mene x-DDD

Christcucks had to go ruin another thread.

>>2053259
>Peter was the apostle for the Jews, there is no proof he ever went to Rome.
There's "proof" for almost nothing that early in the church, however there is good evidence, such as Ignatius disciple of John writing in his epistle to the Roman church "I do not command you, as Peter and Paul did"
>The Nicolaitians (proto-Catholics) became the dominant religion after Constantine converted and adopted Roman Catholicism.
WAT?! There isn't a single historical fact here. The Nicolaitians Docetists, they died out long before Constantine. Constantine did not adopt Christianity, he merely legalised it, it was adopted by Theodosius the Great. Roman Catholicism wouldn't exist for several more centuries, at the earliest beginning in 606 (and that's really streching it) when Boniface III declared himself "universal bishop".
>Tons of compromises were made as paganism crept its way inside these churches to make it more appealing to the masses.
The introduction of corruption into the church was not deliberate, it was a slow internal process.