How did feudal Kings Arise out of Rome?

>>2044710
No, but they were the direct descendants of post-Roman warlords that took the land of wealthy Romans.

>>2044722
How were they allowed to take someone elese's land and get away with it?

>>2044734
Because the western Roman state had just collapsed because of these warlords so they were no position to be enforcing laws and property.

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>>2044710
Nope

>>2044737
So rome collapsed at some point and warlords dived in?

>>2044745
Kind of
>Be state
>Be collapsing because of corruption and shit
>Warlords crawl out of the woodwork to take advantage of this
>RIP SPQR and any chance of recovery.

>>2044710
Basically barbarian generals who used their "legion" to occupe the territory of Rome and make it a Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbogast_(general)

>>2044753
thanks bro, makes sense.

>>2044745
It didn't happen all at once. Barbarians had been gaining power and exerting influence even while Western Rome still nominally existed. The final Emperor of Rome was deposed by a barbarian king who declared the Kingdom of Italy, but the fact that he was able to do that showed that he held the real power there in the first place.

An important thing to keep in mind: Even before Odoacer declared the Kingdom of Italy, he had the support of the Roman Senate and was able to appoint whoever he wanted to positions and basically go over the emperor's head. Yet after that Emperor's death, there was another one, Romulus Augustus, that succeeded him - styled as a usurper, he was deposed by Odoacer, finally ending Western Rome for good.

But this whole thing with Odoacer tells us something important: The fall of Rome didn't just happen all at once. People didn't just wake up one day and realize Rome was gone. In fact, the Roman Senate continued to exist centuries after the WRE fell. There was even a Roman rump state in Gaul after the WRE ceased to exist, with its ruler insisting he was only governing a Roman province, even though Rome didn't exist anymore.

>>2044745
>>2044753
>>2044791
to simplify it

>huge empire rules western europe
>it splits up its administration into provinces and collects taxes from them
>has a really long land border that takes a lot of effort to defend
>nomadic peoples migrate west, forcing barbarians to migrate and settled in the empire's borders
>empire is in decline, so it can't enforce its laws in those places and effectively loses territory, sometimes by outright war sometimes by default
>some other barbarians realize that empire is weak and rich, so they invade Rome itself and sack the capital a bunch of times
>barbarians sometimes seize control of territory the empire can't hold anymore, and set up their own fiefdoms there to collect taxes
>barbarians slowly cut away territories and carve them into kingdoms as the empire retreats
>eventually the Western Roman Empire is cut down to just Italy, and then that itself is turned into a kingdom as a barbarian deposes the now powerless emperor
>RIP empire

These kings and other kings set up kingdoms and dynasties, and later empires, that would form into the medieval domains and later into modern nation-states.

>>2044710
>huge tracts of ager publicus and provincial property
>state crumbled so public land is up for grabs

>>2044734
>How were they allowed to take someone elese's land and get away with it?
There was no one with the authority to stop them. Actually in many cases, they brought authority to lands without any. They weren't all the kleptocratic barbarians Roman history makes them out to be.

>>2044710

World goes to shit. Wealthy estate owners hire private armies to keep the peace. Start letting plebs live and farm on your property for food / military service.

A king is born.

>>2044827
>An ancap utopia is born.
fixed

>>2044827
One negative is that when your estate owner loses a war with the neighboring estate owner your wife could get raped and your shit taken.

>>2044859
Which is why you submit to a more powerful one and become a duchy.

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>>2044710
Feudalism in its french form, sprung from the loins of Charlemagne, as he split his empire among his offspring