Why does no-one ever talk about China and their involvement

All they did was fight the Japs a little and then become communist

Not much to talk about tbqh

>>2043207
In strategic terms it was a holding action on a continental scale but the real strategic initiative was held by the US in the Pacific Ocean.

If China had been given 30 years to industrialize under a strongman before Japan embarked on the 2nd sino japanese war things MAY have been a little different, but I'm not confident in this. Russia even under imperial rule was beginning to industrialize; China was literally a pre industrial society for the most part until the 50s

>>2043207
why does FDR look high in every picture lmao

>>2043207
They did contributed a lot in the war effort, but truthfully other allies (U.S. and U.S.S.R.) did more to defeat the Japanese.
That's not to say China was worthless. It did tie up a lot of Japanese troops in their own land, but if the war progressed between the two factions alone, I doubt China could have defeated them desu.

>>2043207
Communist China doesn't want to praise KMT for fighting the Japs.

Western powers don't want to praise Communist China since KMT did most of the fighting.

Basically, it's convenient for everyone to ignore it.

They spent most of the time getting their asses kicked.

Also >>2043290

>>2043207
I hear it often.

>>2043207
It was an important aspect but, as with the Burma campaign, didn't make a great strategic contribution to Japanese defeat, beyond tying up resources which then made progress easier elsewhere.
As westerners we feel a closer connection to conflicts that our own countries/ancestors were involved in and prefer to consume media dealing with those conflicts. Therefore the vast majority of material the average punter is exposed to deals with theatres that US/commonwealth/Euro forces were involved in.
The complexity of the different factions involved (KMT, Communists etc.), and the horrific atrocities committed, mean that many groups who were key players at the time prefer to keep the subject out of public consciousness, as hinted at in >>2043215 and >>2043290.

>>2043207
If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.

>>2043304
So did the Soviets 2bh.

>>2043290
This is actually incorrect desu; there were a number of recent movies featuring the kmt fighting japs in china iirc?

>>2043400
The China Communist party is feeling a lot more relaxed these days, they even had their first Victory day parade celebration over Japan in 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_China_Victory_Day_Parade

>>2043410
They should have had taiwanese representatives desu. KMT troops did alot of fighting early on

>>2043247
Old people just kinda look that way sometimes
>>2043207
People don't like talking about mass rape, especially since the Japs are now cool with the West.

>>2043207
because it was boring as fuck

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Too busy endlessly contemplating the fact that Stalin wore track pants to the Potsdam Conference.

What has this site done to me?

>>2043247
idk man if your legs were strapped into steel braces you might look a lil bamboozled too

>>2043247

Growing up at a time when taking a photograph entailed sitting very still for 30 seconds.

>>2043932

*not a polio joke

They were like Russia but worse
Lost a lot of men grinding the Japanese into a stalemate

>>2043917
That's a military uniform. You haven't seen the old military uniforms with the stripe down the side?

>>2043410
>>2043420
>>2043400

Weird considering the commies did almost none of the fighting against Japan.

>>2043939
....Jesus anon, that was a joke playing on the fact that slavs stereotypically wear track pants and he was the leader of the Slav world...its called a joke anon....fuck you.

the only thing the chinks were good for was soaking up Japanese men and material.

the best thing in the chinese theater were the American volunteers.

>>2043950
In terms of traditional battles correct, at least until the later stages.

But communist resistance was a legitimate problem, which is why the japs resorted to scorched earth tactics.

The communists even used suicide bombers wearing grenade vests and shit.

>>2043960
Sorry, I did laugh though.

>>2043968
In terms of casualties caused to the japanese give me a verifiable number and stop spouting your 50 cent army bullshit.

>>2043976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Regiments_Offensive

Just one example off the top of my head. Not sure why you think I'm a shill, I already conceded the KMT did the bulk of traditional fighting.

But if the japs didn't care about partisan resistance why institute the three alls campaign?

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>>2043960
>>2043970

>>2043976
Also here's reddit answering your question:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2yzkh7/is_it_truth_that_kuomintang_did_majority_of/

>>2044002
>>2044002
So out of about 5 million casualties the Japanese and their allies suffered around 20k were from dirty ducking populist commies.

Wow

Much impressed
Such fight

>Not sure why you think I'm a shill

Because you have something nice, anything at all, to say about the Chinese communist party. They're evil slave making, censor happy, imperialist disgusting cunts and saying anything nice about that evil regime makes you one of their shills.

>>2044061
did they rape ya mum or something? Are you unable to approach historical study with any semblance of objectivity?

>>>/pol/ is the place for you m8

>>2044081
>with any semblance of objectivity?
The commies objectively counted for shit.

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>>2043207

>mfw some stormfag on /pol/ told me Chain Kai Shek was a communist and that China had been communist since 1933 and Japan was attacking them because they tried to start a communist revolution in Japan

>>2044125
This stuff has been repeated on /his/ too you know. Never mind the shanghai massacre and all the purges by Chiang..

>>2044125
didnt the KMT hire black shirts from Germany after Sun-Yat Sen died in order to kill commies?

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>>2044143

I dont know about that but this is Chaings son

>>2044149
looking fly

I think i remember it from a documentary about the KMT, they hired ex-Friekorps or something to deal with Communists in China, one of their tactics they used was to simply run over communist politicians in the big cities IIRC

>>2043223
>a little

>>2043290
>Communist China doesn't want to praise KMT for fighting the Japs.

But it is clearly acknowledged in China that the KMT fought the Japs alongside the CCP. They shill about the united front all the time.

>>2043950
>Weird considering the commies did almost none of the fighting against Japan.
[Citation needed]

The Victory Day parade was for all of China. Not just the CCP.

>>2044061
>>2044095
The CCP accounted for about 500,000 Japanese military deaths. Not sure why you think one battle was the only conflict between them.

>>2044256
>the KMT fought the Japs alongside the CCP.
What they dent say is that the overwhelming number of casualties suffered by the Japanese in chi a was at the hands of the KMT and that the CCP did almost none of the fighting in comparison.

>>2044283
Bullshit

>>2044284
[Citation needed]

If you are going to attack the CCP for shilling, you might as well not do the same.

>>2044283
So 10%

Wew lad

>>2044286
Okay anon.

>>2044290
Casualties != share of contribution to victory

>>2044288
>needed
I'm not providing one. You can go ahead and keep sucking CCP cock if you want. I don't care what you believe all of us with a brain doesn't need a source to know the guerilla force didn't cause too many casualties compared to the force that gave battle.

>>2044302
Typically, yes.

>>2044042
Dying

>>2044306
Meat shields are important.

>>2044305
Commies btfo

>>2043917
Is it just me or is Truman's chair much closer to Churchill's than Stalin?