How did he know about Nazism in the 1800s?

>>2036040
Who is he?

>>2036040
Hitler used his time travelling machine on the moon base to go back in time and tell him about it.

>>>/pol/

>>2036040
>how Michael Haupt said, that William Guy Carr said, that Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile said, that The Cause of World Unrest said, that the confessed hoaxer Gabriel Jogand-Pagès aka Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil said about Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini in Le diable au XIXe siècle, v. II, 1892-1894, p. 605 (but actually pp. 594-606). Got it?

I don’t derive any satisfaction from a debunking. I really don’t. Discovering the truth is a reward in itself. Let’s begin with the modern populariser of the Pike/Mazzini, 1871 “letter.”

In 2003, an Englishman by the name of Michael Haupt [fig 1] launched [fig 2] his website threeworldwars.com in response to Jihadist terrorism and the American invasion of Iraq. Backed by the knowledge gleaned from a conspiratorial view of history and an obvious impending cataclysm, the words of William Guy Carr, attributed to Albert Pike, seemed to precisely predict the dire circumstances unfolding in the Middle East.

One message that Albert Pike received from his “spirit guide,” and which in reality we know to be a demonic vision, he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place. This is not because the devil has powers of prophecy, but because his agents have undertaken to manipulate political events to closely follow his designs. For a short time, this letter was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy.

>>2036355
“The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”

Notice the quotes attributed to Carr, who in turn is supposedly citing Pike verbatim. Although there is no citation from Haupt, e.g. book and page number, it was pretty easy to track down from where it had originated. “The First World War must…,” “The Second World War must…,” and “The Third World War must…,” is a paraphrased excerpt from William Guy Carr’s book, Pawns in the Game, pp. xv-xvi (a reprint of the 1958 edition). Only Carr doesn’t use quotes to signal a direct quote from the letter, as Haupt had deemed necessary to insert all by himself. The former does indeed claim that three world wars was prophesied in the letter, but he doesn’t actually go so far as to put quotations around it so as to definitively attribute those specific words as occurring verbatim in said letter.

Carr maintains a curious middle ground. Observe the following:

>>2036354
are you stupid?

>>2036360
Between 1859, and 1871, he worked out the details of a military blue-print, for three world wars, and three major revolutions which he considered would further the conspiracy to its final stage during the twentieth century.

[…] Pike’s plan was as simple as it has proved effective. He required that Communism, Naziism, Political Zionism, and other International movements be organized and used to foment the three global wars and three major revolutions. The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to overthrow the powers of the Tzars in Russia and turn that country into the stronghold of Atheistic-Communism. The differences stirred up by agentur of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war ended, Communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.


World War Two, was to be fomented by using the differences between Fascists and Political Zionists. This war was to be fought so that Naziism would be destroyed and the power of Political Zionism increased so that the sovereign state of Israel could be established in Palestine. During world war two International Communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. At this point it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social cataclysm. Can any informed person deny Roosevelt and Churchill did not put this policy into effect?

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>>2036367

World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle, and Far East isn’t designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?

– William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game (CPA Book Publisher reprint n. d.; however Carr signs his introduction Oct. 13, 1958), p. XV [fig 4]

As is obvious, these are not direct quotes, rather only a claim. And there is no citation for these revelations, either: When exactly did Pike supposedly lay out his master conspiracy? And where can one read the complete unedited original?

On the next page, however, there is a small quote from the mysterious ***alleged*** letter dated August 15, 1871:

On August 15, 1871, Pike told Mazzini that after World War Three is ended, those who aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. We quote his own written words (taken from the letter catalogued in the British Museum Library, London, Eng.):

>>2036370
Here we have a direct quote from the elusive letter, and again, with no precise citation – only the assertion that it is held in the British Museum.

Carr, Rodriguez and “The Cause of World Unrest”

Apparently, Carr was called out on this, for in his last book published posthumously in 1959, he finally reveals his source:

Pike explained what is intended to happen in a letter he wrote to his director (Mazzini) of the W.R.M. August 15, 1871. This letter is quoted elsewhere. It is catalogued in the Library of the British Museum, London, England [9] and has been quoted from and referred to by dozens of authorities and students of the W.R.M., including Cardinal Rodriguez of Chile. (See page 118 of The Mysteries of Freemasonry Unveiled, 1925. English translation, 1957.)

[9] The Keeper of manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is ***NOT*** catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez’s knowledge should have said it WAS in 1925.

– William Guy Carr, Satan: Prince of this World (pdf scan by Haupt), p. 22

Cardinal Rodriguez provided adequate citation for further investigation. Some of the new information gleaned includes the fact, that 1) Carr quoted directly from Rodriguez’ meagre one-paragraph excerpt; 2) the latter mentioned nothing about a prediction of three world wars; and that 3) Carr was confused about exactly what was “catalogued” in the British Museum. Furthermore, it appears that Cardinal Rodriguez was alluding to Le Diable au XIXème Siècle — “its publication” — as being catalogued at the Museum, not the letter itself (as our next source confirms).

>>2036372
We’ll look at the actual “letter” below. For now, however, it will suffice to comment on two things: 1) the confusion over a catalogue in the British Museum has been solved; and 2) the “Nihilists and Atheists” quotes are nearly identical translations from Carr to Rodriguez to the “anonymous” author in The Cause. (There are a few minor discrepancies, but this is surely due to Rodriguez’s book being translated from Spanish to English.):

>“The Cause” (1920) Rodriguez
>“shall unchain the revolutionary Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm, which will demonstrate clearly to the nations, in all its horror, the effect of absolute unbelief, mother of savagery and of the most bloody disorder. Then, everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the mad minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate these destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned of Christianity, whose deist soul will up to that moment be without compass, thirsting for an ideal, but not knowing where to bestow their worship, will receive the True Light, by the universal manifestation of the pure Luciferian doctrine, at last made public, a manifestation which will arise from the general movement of reaction following the destruction of Atheism and Christianity, both at the same time vanquished and exterminated.”

>Rodriguez (1957 English edition)
>“shall unchain the revolutionary Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm, which will demonstrate clearly to the nations, in all its horror, the effect of absolute unbelief, mother of savagery and of the most bloody disorder.

>>2036375
>Then, everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the mad minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate these destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned of Christianity, whose deist soul will up to that moment be without compass, thirsting for an ideal, but not knowing where to bestow their worship, will receive the True Light, by the universal manifestation of the pure Luciferian doctrine, at last made public, a manifestation which will arise from the general movement of reaction following the destruction of Atheism and Christianity, both at the same time vanquished and exterminated.”

>Carr (1958 edition)
>“shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

Exactly what William Guy Carr was trying to pull, I’ll never know. If you’ve bared it until the end, perhaps you’re disappointed to have found nothing about a prediction of three world wars, Communism, Nazism and Zionist Illuminati – or anything of the sort.

>>2036381
A search through the entire book, utilizing relevant word combinations, turns up nothing either. Instead, what it truly represents is the scurrilous fantasies, and militant anti-Catholicism of its author: the impostor Leo Taxil aka Dr. Bataille, who profited handsomely while having a million laughs at the expense of both Christians and Masons; who confessed that his entire corpus of anti-Masonic works – spanning twelve years and representing thousands of pages (including the translated excerpt above) – were a complete and utter fraud; a colossal yet ridiculously farcical hoax.

It is enough having shown that the so-called Pike/Mazzini letter came from the Taxil hoax and to have provided a full translation of it.

Taxil benefited from the atmosphere in France at that time, which was indeed rife with anti-clericalism, occultism, and outright Satanism. The poets and authors of Romanticism had also looked upon Satan and Lucifer as a hero, and became more outspoken as anti-clericalism became the norm.

Taxil, for his part, had admitted in typical form:

“The public made me what I am; the arch-liar of the period,” confessed Taxil, “for when I first commenced to write against the Masons my object was amusement pure and simple. The crimes I laid at their door were so grotesque, so impossible, so widely exaggerated, I thought everybody would see the joke and give me credit for originating a new line of humor. But my readers wouldn’t have it so; they accepted my fables as gospel truth, and the more I lied for the purpose of showing that I lied, the more convinced became they that I was a paragon of veracity.

>>2036386
>tl;dr
Pike had zero clue about Nazis or WWIII, and the assertion that he does comes from the hoaxing of Taxil. The most common quote on the topic doesn't come from Pike, but from an antisemetic 1920 screed. The quote is neither found in Morals and Dogma, or even his letters, as the British Museum assertion is just plain wrong.