What is the most crime infested city of all time? I'm talking

>>2034375
Caracas according to some experts

>>2034384
That's right now tho

>>2034375
Not sue but 100% sure it's in Latin Subhumerica

>>2034394
Latin America isn't that bad.

Kowloon walled city was basically a giant whore house/opium den/casino/illegal noodle processing plant.

>>2034402
It's worse than Africa. Check their homicide rates

>>2034402
>Latin America isn't that bad.
literally 90% of all the threads on bestgore are from brazilian murders

>>2034406
Yes but they had relatively low crime rates

Does this count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Pirates

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>>2034375
chicago? they just passed 700 homicides for the year yesterday.

and since the 20's it been called the "City of Gangsters"

here's some shitty rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EwcbcTlQvg

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>>2034406
>yfw it finally gets to the part about a guy running a foundry in that one German documentary about it from the 80s

>>2034439
Miami was the murder capital of the world at one point and they were over a thousand homicides.
Chicago has hit near 900 before.

>>2034375
Alice springs

>>2034439
>they just passed 700 homicides for the year yesterday.

Much safer than any pre-modern city.

>>2034459
yeah but in 2013 Miami had just 71 homicides.

>>2034463
nigga... c'mon now. prove it

>>2034469
>prove it

Lol it's not a controversial statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5O6JwY0GJ8&t=109s
detriot

>>2034384
actually no need for experts, Caracas es otro level

>ranking cities by absolute number of homicides instead of by rate per 100k

Fucking humanities faggots I swear

>>2034473
>on the history board
>not willing to back up statement with info
pussy

>>2034375

nowadays is San Pedro Sula, Honduras
however Caracas, Guatemala, Rio and some colombian and mexican cities offer competition

>>2034480

Just Google "medieval murder rate" you silly faggot.

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>>2034510
>find article says 1340's England had a murder rate of 110 per 100,000 people.
>"hmm wow that's kinda high"

>find article of murder rates in American cities
>St. Louis
>660 per 100,000
>mfw

>>2034545
Bullshit

>>2034545

Current rate in St. Louis is 49 per 100,000 you fucking liar.

Probably Ciudad Juarez during a bad year.

You're talking 1,400 murders in a year in a city of 2 million people.

>>2034375
Medellin during the Pablo Escobar era. Murder rate was over 300 per capita, three times as much as the most violent cities in the world today, San Pedro Sula and Ciudad Juárez.
Fun fact the U.S. capital had a murder rate of 80 per 100,000 in the late eighties and early nineties, the only city to surpass that number was New Orleans at 90 per 100,000.

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>>2034603

>>2034545
>can't tell the difference between a rate and a total number

>>2034375
Rome is a contender

>>2034745
a mere village compared to any lat am metro area

>>2034704
The UN was talking about sending peacekeepers and shit.

Apparently there are also like half a dozen different serial killers taking advantage of the chaos to just kill a bunch of women for fun and profit, knowing that there won't be any real investigation.

>>2034603
That's... Little. The probability of you getting killed is miniscule.

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>>2034402
It's awful down there.

>>2034375
early hong kong was an absolute crime haven, notorious hangout for tons of pirates.

>>2034829
>mfw I'm el salvador.
We got an armed guard out out front at least

>>2034777
That's nothing new really. Women being raped and murdered on their way back from working in the factories and sweatshops was mentioned in a music video in the late nineties or early oughts i think by some alternative band whose name I can't remember and it's also a subject of the plot in the movie Bordertown.

>>2034777
I read a book about that called 2666

>>2034847
America here.

Sorry about all those juntas, senpai.

>>2034436
Hmmm. Idk should it?

>>2034777
I once watched some sensationalist TV show that claimed that there were narco-satanic sects in Juarez and vampirists killing people. Seemed very far-fetched to me, but taking into account that Juarez is a fucking killzone, who knows?

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>>2034779
>70/100,000
>7/10,000
>almost 1/1,000, the same chance you have to be born with Down syndrome from a healthy woman
>minuscule
I tell you what's minuscule, fuckhead, the chance of winning lotto. 1/55!, motherfucker, that is, 1/55*54*53*...*3*2*1.

>>2034375
Jerusalem.

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>>2034402
Have you been huffing paint? Some of the Latin countries have warzone tier homicide rates. If the cops aren't joining in on the fun for profit they need armored vehicles to survive a cruise through the slums.

>>2034439
Chicago is very dangerous by first world standards (and would be considered very dangerous in many of the safer 3rd world countries) but it's nothing compared to the really terrible places in the third world.

>>2034375
Syria has displaced Lebanon as the primary hub for the manufacture of synthetic drugs in the region since the state authorities have their hands tied with the war atm and have probably taken to the trade as well for funds along with all other belligerents. There's also the the trafficking of weapons, people, contraband oil, and historical artifacts.

>>2034877
I can't remember his name but there was a religious cult in the 80s lead by a serial killer who worked for the cartels. Had his own ranch, millions of dollars etc. Can't remember his name but shouldn't be too hard to find him

>>2034862
Cuck

>>2034545
England was dealing with the plague then. Maybe people asked to be killed rather suffer?

>>2034460
AYYY BRUDDA, GODDA DOLLER

>>2034375
Tifilis or Baku around the early 1900s.

>>2034668
>300 per capita
lol 300 people were killed for every person living there?

If we restrict this to first-world countries, New York before it got cleaned up in the 80s/90s was pretty surreal looking back on it.

>>2035161
My question would be how in the fuck would we know. Literally a medieval country full of illiterate peasants is being swept clean by a plague and we somehow know the murder rate they had?

>>2034433
Literally everything they did was illegal, also I doubt homicides were uncommon.

>>2034545
Leaving aside that the numbers are bullshit, would it really be surprising that a society in which most people lived all their lives in villages of <1000 people were less likely to murder than people who live in gigantic metropolises where they don't even know the names of their neighbors?
Also the type of murders that are most common in modern cities would have been classified as banditry (since they're performed by bandits) in the medieval era, I'm not sure how this affects the murder rate.

>>2035209
Examples?

>>2034375
A lot of large Latin American cities. I know a guy from Columbia and he said that Medellin was a fucking mess. In his words, "If you have a nice watch, a nice bike, whatever a guy may walk up and shoot you in the head and take all your shit. Or if you look rich, or American." Juarez, Mexico, is also a pretty bad one from what I hear.

>>2035304
In the 70s, crime was so high that shopkeepers wouldn't leave the doors unlocked even at noon. They'd buzz you in after they got a good look at you.

You also had a huge number of arsons because people who were burned out of public housing got nicer homes, and because the insured value of buildings was usually higher than the real value.

Also, it turned out that basically the entire NYPD had turned into a glorified drug cartel, as demonstrated by Frank Serpico and the Knapp Commission.

>>2034439
The cops there are really fucking corrupt, too.

>>2034459
You can thank the Mariel Boatlift and cocaine for that.

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>>2035304
Google it my dude. NYC was third world tier. I would say he's incorrect about it being the worst city in the world, but it was easily one of the most dangerous in the US. It's amazing how safe it is today by comparison.

>>2035222
I don't know how they took their stats, but it would be reasonable to assume that a guy with his throat slit or skull bashed in had been murdered rather than killed by natural causes. In most places they just tally up homicides and most people point at that when they talk about "murder" rates. There are justifiable homicides, but generally speaking they are statistically insignificant in most places.

>>2034459
>>2035324
Also, my dad was in Chicago at the time the murder rates spiked. According to him, it's because the Mexican cartel came in and chomped out. He didn't say which cartel, though.

>>2035222
England has always had a high level of bureaucracy for their time.

They had fairly regular censuses and court systems that this sort of data gets pulled from

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>>2035329

>>2035337
*chimped out
Fucking typos.

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>>2035339

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>>2035343
end

>>2034862
It's ok I blame Reagan and the CIA.

>>2035345
Carter didn't give a shit either.

It's odd how conservatives remember him as a dove when he enthusiastically supported Operation Condor.

>>2035338
There was no census in the 1300s.

>>2035334
That's the problem. They weren't even examining every single corpse, often they just burned a pile of bodies during plague times. We don't know who the hell had his throat slashed or whatever.

>>2035351
Nobody would've really wanted to examine a corpse that's said to have the Plague.

>>2035356
That's my point. If I murdered someone back then I'd just dump his body on that pile and nobody would give a fuck.

Assessing a murder rate in the 1340s would not even be an educated guess, it would be a total asspull.

>>2035363
The figures were usually taken from local courts.

It'd be a good ballpark figure, I guess.

>>2035316
It's... kinda recovering... kinda...

>>2034375
Depends on what you consider crime?
Violent crime, robberies, murders etc.
Or truly organized crime?

>>2034375
brazil niggers get killed all the time

>>2034406
>illegal noodle
explain, how can a place be so seedy even basic foodstuffs are illegal

medellin during escobar's war against the state

>>2034375
Whichever one has the most brownos and least money in it

>>2034402
Mixed-race people combine the natural aggressiveness of blacks and indigenous people with the creativity and intelligence of whites.

>>2035329
Was it like how bad LA (or all of California) is now?
[spoiler]I just really like to make fun of California[/spoiler]

>>2036403
Oh god, what have we created?

Chicago 1920-1930's. place was wide open & filled with crime & graft

>>2034439
Detroit has nearly as many homicides with less than half the population.

>>2036403
qft
also organizational and political skills
narcos are clever capitalists

>>2035186
Source?

>>2034402
>take sparsely populated country
>add Spaniards, various other European colonies, the existing native population, then add in a almost 1:1 ratio of African slaves
>gestate for 200 years and abolish slavery somewhere in the process

South America is what the US will devolve into if it doesn't get its shit together.

>>2037399
No nigga its not stop listening to Varg and Alex k thanks bye

>>2037399
the US had organized crime and city insecurity way before lat am
eventually gangsters turned to legal business and politics and lat am is going the same way

>>2035207
300 dead for every 100,000

>>2034384
Why did Caracas (and Venezuela in general) became such a crime-ridden shithole under Hugo Chávez and Nicolas Maduro?

Shouldn't socialism reduce income inequality and therefore reduce violence? Cuba isn't really violent, for example.

dunno

Guess it's a tie between whatever south-american current big city

Ancient Rome
Ancient Byzance

US of A (80's NY, chicago, LA, Atlantic city)

Large african city (lagos,...)

>>2037496
Chave, actually distributed guns to some parts of the population, he created the so called 'Bolivarian Revolution guard' or something, to protect his socialist takeover, hence why Venezuela is one of the most armed countries in the world. Also, it was felt that the rich had to protection anymore. Just add 1+1 and figure out how that worked with violent, poor latinos when the police earns about 20 dollars a month

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>>2036403
>Spaniards and Portuguese
>White
>Spaniards and Portuguese
>Not naturally aggressive assholes

>>2037496
Venezuela: 25 year rule
Cuba: draconian law enforcement including network of neighbor vigilante commitees

>>2036403
Mixed race here (white+indian). Feels pretty good to be the people of the future.

Compton

My city Birmingham Al is pretty crime infested

Sodom and Gomorrah

>>2035795
something something noodles are supposed to be made to a strict standard in Hong Kong and highly regulated so Kowloon was making substandard noodles and selling them to the finest restaurants in the city

>>2038531
>chinks have regulations on noodles
>but nothing else
>get eaten by escalators and elevators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFjdMKJVkzQ

>>2037550
POO

>>2037634
What's up Alabama fag

UA student living in Tuscaloosa here

>>2038572
It's Hong Kong, which was run by the British, and therefore good.

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>>2038620
lotta alabamafags on 4chan these days

>>2039545
Alabama is fucking gay

>>2036403
>look guys, I failed highschool biology

>>2034896
It's still more probable that you will die in a car crash.

>>2041576
>be my dad
>had to go to Columbia for work during the late 80s
>had to get kidnap insurance and the company hired 2 local body guards to drive him for the 2 days he was gunna be there in Cali
>arrives in Cali, gets briefed by the federal police force about safety
>avoid public transport, taxis, don't go out at night blah blah blah
>immediately leaving the airport some old fuck has a heart attack while driving and rams into the car my pops was driving in, killing one of the body guards and paralyzing the other
>dad had to spend 6 months in Cali getting surgery before doctors would let him get on a plane to go back to Miami because of the horrible shape he was in
>nearly lost a leg due to infection
>spent 2 years in rehabilitation
>stayed in contact with a nurse he met while in Columbia
>that nurse is my mom and gave birth to a lose NEET like me
>fucking disaster all around

Cars are more dangerous than criminals honestly.

>>2038617
in (You)

>>2038572
>Its only despicable when someone else does it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5HZV7jaDZA

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Kowloon Walled City.

>>2041708
actually it wasn't particularly dangerous

>>2037361
Detroit is usually around 300
http://www.detroitmi.gov/Portals/0/docs/Police/Crime%20Statistics/DPDSixMonthComps2014vs2015.pdf?ver=2016-01-06-171639-967

But yes, with a population of 700,000 it is a higher rate than Chiraq

>>2034375
foundation of rome, hoodlums and outcasts from all the other tribes go to Rome, they steal bitches, very much into shit like honour and vendettas. the OG mafia, with guys like Lefty, and crassus (the original blackmailer proscription lists and running a private fireguard in exchange for money) established a crime syndicate across the then known world, pimpin, lootin, and taxing. got mad rich, get into orgies and getting drunk as fuck, poison a bitch if they don't comply, or get them on "the list".

>>2041708
>One of the safest lawless areas in the world
>Pretty organized thanks to the mafia
>Glorious free markets

I can honestly say that I felt safer in the kowloon than I do in most parts chicago, detroit, LA, atlanta, etc...

>>2034877

La Santa Muerte is absolutely a real thing

>>2034375
Hard to say, really. Where do you draw the line between high crime rates and actual anarchy/civil war?

Places like Monrovia during the Liberian Civil war or Mogadishu during the pirate crisis were essentially composed only of lawbreakers, but there was nobody prosecuting or even recording the killings/rapes/robberies being committed.

>>2036443

The only human breed capable of defeating the extraterrestrial threat.

>>2041973
Did you live there asshole.?

>>2041718
Just a shithole nonetheless.

Rome you idiots

Good pics of NY when it was a proper shithole.

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/1970s-new-york-photos#33

>>2034545
>St. Louis
>660 per 100,000
absolutely retarded. Caracas is "only" 122.

The medieval number is probably also bullshit though

>>2035241
>Leaving aside that the numbers are bullshit, would it really be surprising that a society in which most people lived all their lives in villages of <1000 people were less likely to murder than people who live in gigantic metropolises where they don't even know the names of their neighbors?
most medieval murders were drunken killings between people who knew each other.

>>2037496
Its not violent, because anybody who's spirit and will wasn't broken, was executed, exiled, or fled to Miami/Central America. Nobody with that mindset is left, that is the result of oppression. This happened in other communist nations as well.

>>2035241
>everyone drunk most of the time
> <70 IQs are the norm
>family feuds still quite likely to escalate into multiple homicides
>no law enforcement of any kind other than the shire reev rounding up a posse
>banditry is still highly profitable due to the low population density and poor transportation

The Medieval ages were extremely dangerous.

>>2042707
Thanks anon. I enjoyed it.

>>2041531
Kill yourself faggot

>>2043092
Florida is better

>not real socialism hurr

>>2042614
This. Morons

>>2043404
How much crime was there in Rome?

>>2038620
Yo Tuscaloosafag here, We should hang sometime.

>>2044169
Also from Tuscaloosa waddup

>>2044169
>>2044483
Wtf 3 on /his/ alone

I wonder how many of 4chan as a whole

>>2044169
>>2044483
>>2044528
>tfw live in Georgia
I-I still count, r-right guys?

>>2034449
Link?

>>2034475
>8 mile
Please. There are FAR worse areas of the city than that