Irritating historical misconceptions

Hello Romania's FYROM/Montenegro/minime/Austria

>>2027270
Hello Friendo I remmeber you from the other threads
Hows life

>>2027270
Why aren't you called Moldavia anymore?

>>2027275

Actually it was moldovan intellectuals and a moldovan king that created Romania in 1859 in the first place.

>>2027354
Because that's an exonym for the medieval principality. Plus it sounds too slavic

>>2027270
A
FUCKING
AUROCH

>>2027354
>>2027372
lol
we still call you Moldavia

>>2027372
>moldovan king
Moldavian, born in Moldavia. And not even the Moldovan part of Moldavia. Moldova wasn't even a part of Romania when the principalities were united.

Face it, Moldovans are nothing but Cyrillic-writing Romanians in denial because uniting with Romania would reduce your shithole state to total irrelevancy. The only reason you folks even have a separate identity is because of Russia and the Soviet Union.

>>2027270
Tell us some Moldovan folk tales.

Do you have myths about werewolves, vampires?

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>>2027377

Those things used to be a rare prize for the hunter that managed to kill it because of their size. Which is why only the king had the royal right to hunt for aurochs. Up until they went extinct in the 17th century of course

>>2027399
"we" being?

>>2027403

Eastern Moldova was annexed by the Russian Empire in 1812, of course it wasn't part of Romania. Nor did it ever want to be part of it. When the Russian empire collapsed, the moldovan nation naturally sprung up again and this time took form of a Republic, as opposed to the monarchical class based system of the romanians.

>Moldovans are nothing but Cyrillic-writing Romanians in denial because uniting with Romania would reduce your shithole state to total irrelevancy.

Actually we used to write in latin before the 15th century. Namely before the Council of Florence. Basically, latin script was banned because the king, Alexander the Good thought it would only help spread catholicism in the country. And today we write using latin script as well.

>The only reason you folks even have a separate identity is because of Russia and the Soviet Union.

Moldovans have a medieval record of acknowledging their nationhood and their moldovan identity, long before Russia even existed.

>>2027432
>Actually we used to write in latin before the 15th century. Namely before the Council of Florence. Basically, latin script was banned because the king, Alexander the Good thought it would only help spread catholicism in the country. And today we write using latin script as well.

Source? It's very interesting if it's true.

>>2027432
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Actually we used to write in latin before the 15th century. Namely before the Council of Florence. Basically, latin script was banned because the king, Alexander the Good thought it would only help spread catholicism in the country. And today we write using latin script as well.
Still no source on this? I'd appreciate one, even if it is in Romnian/Moldovan.

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>>2027462
>>2027501


That's the information according to Dimitry Cantemir in his "Descriptio Moldaviae", written in the 18th century. No modern historian has ever found any record of medieval moldovan texts written in latin script tho. I guess they did a really good clean up of any sort of inscription in latin, or Dimitry was just composing fairy tales. Although, this coming from an enlightenment scholar of his caliber, i would assume there must be some truth in his accounts

>>2027510
Thanks, I'll look into that.

>>2027518

You can look for the original quite easily online

This is the original, in latin

https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Descriptio_Moldaviae

and this is in romanian
https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Descrierea_Moldovei

No english tho.

>>2027409

There's the folk tale of how Moldova was founded. That Dragosh went hunting for Aurochs with his most loyal dog Molda. Once she slew the auroch and died, legend has it Moldova was named after his dog. Mostly folk tales about various shenanigans of demons and satan with village people. Also every village has a foundation story that involves at least 1 girl and a monster.

>>2027279
>Ignoring me
RUDE
U
D
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>>2027270
On one hand I fully support Moldova's existence because nation-states are a dumb idea anyway.

On the other hand it's still true that it's an ahistorical mess that tries to be a nation state anyway.

>>2027938
> it's an ahistorical mess

No it's not

>>2027938
>nation-states are a dumb idea anyway.

No they're not

Go back to pre-18th century Europe, grandpa.

>>2027270
>he's still in denial
>complains about others telling him the truth
Mă n-am ce să-ți fac. Vorbești românește, gândești românește, doar că te-au futut rușii figuralmente și literalmente.

>>2027908
So you country is named after a dog?

>be radu
>your romanian father knocks up a russian whore and then abandons you to knock up more russian whores
>said russian whore forcefully teaches you soviet bullshit that WE WUZ MOLDOVANS N SHIEET
>shill russian shit on 4chan/kc/infinity chan

kill yourself you russian rapebaby

Reminder that Transnistria is a country

>>2027270
All I know about Moldavia is that they get turned from a March to a normal vassal at the start of most EU4 games so poland can annex them later.

Adevăr grăiești frate, NOI ERAM REGI ȘI CÂCAT. Omul sudist ne trage în jos, noi nu am făcut nica, eram băieți buni, mergeam la biserică mergeam la școală, ne reparam viața.

>>2027372

>Actually it was moldovan intellectuals and a moldovan king that created Romania in 1859 in the first place

source

then prove how is historicall Moldavia tied to today R.Moldova, except the fact that it was a province of Moldavia(that later was annexed by russians).

>>2027270

R.Moldova is formed from romanians,imported russians/hohols(over 30%),tatars and others.The ""country"" is nothing else than a leftover province of Moldavia, annexed by russians.

>>2027354

because Moldavia was a historical region and principate.

>>2027432

>Moldovans have a medieval record of acknowledging their nationhood and their moldovan identity, long before Russia even existed.

But you aren't historical moldovans.You are a new ethnicity, invented by soviets.

>Moldovanon

You mean R.Moldovanon or Bessarabianon , because your shithole of a fake state,nation,ethnicity cannot talk for historical Moldova.

>>2028325
>But you aren't historical moldovans.You are a new ethnicity, invented by soviets.

There is no such thing as moldovan ethnicity. Moldovan people are a civic nation. As such we were aware of it ever since the 17th century. This is why we are the heirs of Moldavia. We preserved the identity and consciousness of the moldovan culture.

>>2027270
>When someone says Julius Caeser was Emperor of Rome

Fucking normies

>>2028299
no, it's likely named after the river, but they made a legend about what the river is named for.

>>2027270
>Moldova
lol

>>2028564

> As such we were aware of it ever since the 17th century

source

>This is why we are the heirs of Moldavia

Lets see.

1.State is not inherited from Moldavia but from URSS
2.Language is romanian
3.Your culture is romanian and russian

>We preserved the identity and consciousness of the moldovan culture.

of the romanian and russian culture.

>There is no such thing as moldovan ethnicity.

GG, there is nothing to talk then, you are contradicting yourself.

You speak of moldovan culture yet the culture is part of ethnicity.

>>2027270
>And that we're nothing but romanians in denial
Oh please, that's exactly what you are.

So what if your country was an independent state in the middle ages. Wallachia and Transylvania have been separate entities at various points, that doesn't mean the people living in them weren't the same ethnicity (i.e. Romanian).

Also, Moldavia /= Moldova. Half of what was Moldavia is now eastern Romania. Do you hear those poor occupied Moldavians crying out for liberation? Of course not. Because they're Romanians. Wallachia, Transylvania and Moldavia are the names of states, Romanian is the name of the ethnicity that lives within those states.

For that matter, did Moldovans complain for liberation between the world wars, when they were unified with Romania? Nope. There was huge popular support for union in 1918, and no opposition to it in the twenty years before the Russians returned.

The only reason Moldova is an independent country today is the Soviet Union's desire to return to the territorial extent of the Russian Empire. The only reason you believe that Moldova is an legitimate country is because the people who taught you that, or at least the people who taught them, grew up in an era when saying otherwise could get you gulag'd

>>2028325
>source

Just google who Al.I.Cuza, Mihail Kogalniceanu and Vasile Alecsandri are.

>then prove how is historicall Moldavia tied to today R.Moldova

We preserved the culture, identity and nationhood of the old medieval principality. Nowadays the former moldovan territories which are located in Romania do not identify as moldovans as a separate nation, and they are generally fake leftovers of former Moldova. They believe they speak the romanian language and that they are romanians, and not moldovan, etc.

>>2028373
Moldova used to be a single nation with a single identity prior to the 19th century. How moldovans identify today is how we all identified in the past, up until the 48 revolutions happened and then western moldovans started being converted to pan-romanianism.

>>2028732
Read all the medieval moldovan chronicles of Gheorghe Ureche, Miron Costin and Dimitry Cantemir.

We had already formed a nation consciousness for ourselves after the 15th century, albeit a vague one, but people were fully aware why they are moldovans and where they come from. And protip; if you used to call someone romanian back then, they'd take it as an insult because you called them a serf. Because that's what the term "romanian" used to mean prior to the 19th century both in Moldova and in Wallachia.

>1.State is not inherited from Moldavia but from URSS
Wrong, we inherited the historical rights of Moldavia in 1917 when we formed the first Moldovan Republic.

>2.Language is romanian
Nope.

>3.Your culture is romanian and russian
True about russian culture playing a role in our lives, nobody denies that. But romanian culture is just moldovan intellectuals from the 19th century who, instead of dedicating their works to the moldovan nation, suddently switched and then wrote for the "romanian" "nation"

>you are contradicting yourself. You speak of moldovan culture yet the culture is part of ethnicity.
French people are not an ethnicity within France as well.

>>2027270
>And that we're nothing but romanians in denial
But you are. As much as Austrians are Germans in denial.

>>2030847
cont.

France doesn't base it's national identity based on ethnicity, and yet french culture produced all the major western philosophers, thinkers, scientists etc.

The difference between an identity of a civic nation and an ethnic nation is that civic ones are defined by the state and the history and rights of that state, not by blood or ethnicity.

>Wallachia and Transylvania have been separate entities at various points, that doesn't mean the people living in them weren't the same ethnicity (i.e. Romanian).

We have historic documents where they indeed identified as romanians. And then we had the moldovans who simply identified as Moldovans (until 1848) as a distinct nation, without feeling they are subset of a larger romanian nation.

>Also, Moldavia /= Moldova. Half of what was Moldavia is now eastern Romania. Do you hear those poor occupied Moldavians crying out for liberation? Of course not

They even wanted to start an uprising in 1866 against the union of 1859. But like all true things in Romania, this historical fact is not mentioned absolutely anywhere in history books.
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%C8%99carea_separatist%C4%83_de_la_Ia%C8%99i_din_3_aprilie_1866

>Wallachia, Transylvania and Moldavia are the names of states, Romanian is the name of the ethnicity that lives within those states.

Not every nation is an ethnic one, and not all of them follow the german model of national construct. Just saying.

>For that matter, did Moldovans complain for liberation between the world wars, when they were unified with Romania?
Kind of hard to complain when all of your able bodied men are sent to the front to die in a ware.

>There was huge popular support for union in 1918, and no opposition to it

This has been proven false by historians. In fact there were dozens of moldovan villages who opposed the union in 1918, not to mention politicians. They simply did not want to be annexed by Romania and wanted to be independent.

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>>2030869
cont

>The only reason Moldova is an independent country today is the Soviet Union's desire to return to the territorial extent of the Russian Empire.


The reason Moldova is an independent country is because we used our rights to self-determination during the russian revolution of 1917 and declared ourselves independent, you retard.

why don't you fuck off and hit the history books for starters?

Literally a non country

>>2027270
>all of Europe thinks Moldova exists solely because the USSR collapsed
Most of Europe wouldn't even find you on a map.

So... What are some great Moldova man of the history?

>>2030931
Antioch Cantemir kickstarted russian poetry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_Kantemir

Dimitry Cantemir's works was used for Edward Gibbon's own "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrie_Cantemir

These are just some of the closest people from our times. Prior to them, Moldova used to influence all the countries around them with it's people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movile%C8%99ti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioan_Potcoav%C4%83

Not to mention literally all of the moldovans who pioneered modern romanian literature and national identity in the 19th century

>>2030991
They are not Moldovan, they are Romanian, just like you. Moldova does not get to claim them because Romania represents the Romanian ethnicity and the principality of Moldova is almost entirely within it's borders.
Cât te plătește Kremlinul să shilluieşti?

>>2030991
>all of the moldovans who pioneered modern romanian literature and national identity in the 19th century

But somehow this doesn't make them Romanian?